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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Mathman on August 11, 2000, 12:23:00 PM
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Hello all, I was just curious as to what everyone's favorite World War II fighter is. I am not asking what is the best, just what is your favorite and why.
I'll get this started.
Favorite: F6F Hellcat
Why: Tough to say why. Its not the prettiest plane. Not the greatest in the performance department. It just has a certain elegance of purpose to it. It was arguably the greatest carrier fighter of all time. To me, someone very interested in naval aviation, it is tough not to like it. I think the hook really got set though, when I got to sit in one when I was in high school. I dunno, just one hell of a plane that came along at the right time.
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Fw 190 A/D/Ta 152
Looks mean, tons of Rüstaze, alot of guns... what else could you ask for?
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P-40
Looks cool, and has a "winning against the odds" history. Guess I just side with the underdogs.
Also, was one of my favorite WB rides.
popeye
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P61 Black widow, followed closely by F4U.
Oh, saw one at an airshow in Minnesota at age 3. Been in love with the ugly thing ever since.
I might add, that at age 5, my dad took me to the airport (we lived in Minnesota) where I saw my first 727 Boeing Jet. I told him that I was going to work for Boeing at age 5. Guess where I work? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Hired in at 18 years old, the very first production part I worked on was a spares order for a 727. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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B25J Special Model, with the 12X50s package in the nose. I also love the F6F Hellcat too.
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Spitfire MkXIV. No question about it.
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Sisu
-Karnak
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Jug, all other planes are pretenders.
ra
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Black Widow? A fighter? Since when did a large multicrew plane with moveable offensive armament and maneuverability of a medium bomber was considered a figher?
An interceptor, a "night figher" (along with Ju-88), a gunship - yes.
A very interesting exotic plane. A welcome addition to the AH, if ever.
But not a "pure" figher any more then Ju-88 was.
Germans and Japanese could have used that one against the allied bombers. What did allies needed it for? Why did they bother to produce it? Porc barrel appropriations?
I-16 is a very nice and interesting plane. It had an amasing maneuvrability, considerable speed for its time and multiple cannon armament years before others abandoned their low-caliber peashooters.
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Quote from Claire Lee Chenault commander of the American Volunteer Group in Burma and China from Aug 1941 (First Combat Dec. 20 1941) through disbandment on July 4, 1942.
"Looks mean as hell!"
Same as Popeye, it wasn't the fastest, best turner, prettiest, or most devistating. But it was there when it was need and a did all the work that the folks in their pretty ponies disdained.
Like the I-16 it's pilots occasionally rammed other aircraft when they ran out of ammo.
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Ditto
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Jug Jug Jug Jug.
It's Big. It's Bad. It has lots of big guns.
It has a big engine. It's fantastically tough.
The jug is the best BnZ ride in the allied arsenal, hence it is my favourite.
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- Steve Earl
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F4U-1D
Stood next to one when he fired up that engine .. was hooked from then on.
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109, all variants!
the fighter of all fighters
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P-38!
Good all around aircraft, besides if not for her I would not be here. My mom and dad met while working on her at the Lockheed plant. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Hehehe Huge prop ... Big radial ... invasion stripes ... late 56th camo... 360 view canopy (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) I'm just in love with this thing, and when you love the plane, you do miracles with it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Contrary at some who don't have their beloved plane in AH yet, mine is there, just the paint job missing.
Nath, this FW is always my favorite paint job, changes from Euro FWs who look all dark green in any games. Carefull, I didn't said I liked FWs hehehe.
After P47-D, every plane is nice looking or as it's special thing who makes it nice, hard to say wich one my favorite. Maybe the Mosquito with all the guns in the nose.
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P-38 Lightning
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P51, cadillac of the skies. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Offline myfreind,Offline. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Fw190A8
But its a near thing...There are lots of WW2 fighters I love..
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Spit XIV looks like a noodle...
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F4U-1D
needless to say more (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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109G10/K4
How can anything compete with this shark of the skies?
It is ugly, but has the brute power and looks so mean, it is downright beautiful.
Awwww *falls even more in love*
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StSanta
JG54 "Grünherz"
"If you died a stones throw from your wingie; you did no wrong". - Hangtime
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If thats what yours looks like Nath, I think you need to see a urologist.
Sisu
-Karnak
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humm did ya get it stuck in a door?
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Maverick
Originally posted by Nath-BDP:
Spit XIV looks like a noodle...
That is appropriate. It is for pissing all over the luftwaffles any how (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
The rounder canopy on the 190 was so the pilot could see the Spit that was "mounting" on his ride as well (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
My two favs are the Spit for it's turn fighting abilities (not to mention the underdog comes through).
The second is the REAL P51. (Not the wingshedding gelded Mustang version on AH ) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Now THAT should get a rise goin! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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No Mercy Asked, None Given, Just pass the ammo
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Nope, but you get the idea.
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F4f, Fm2, SBD. Talk about against all odds. Also have a foundness for the Swordfish.
All time fav...A-20.
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Dnil
Maj. 900th Bloody Jaguars
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Fw190
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n1k2 even runnin on pin sol ( like the ah one) it is plain out bad bellybutton with hold its own with anything if they cant jsut out clime ya
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Without question the Best fighter of WW2 the F4U-anyofthem. Anything else is just a piece of hog food. Why else did we make them till 1952???? The last Ta-152 was made when? Wonder when the last Me-262 was made? How about the fw190-anything?
PC
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I agree Towd, Niki is Mister Big Nasty. Remembers me my youth ... <seigh> .... when Towd was flying 109-K10 ... and I feared nobody in Niki hihihi... I'm crying now... nostalgia...bouhouou...
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FW-190 A8.
Lots of big guns
Reasonably fast.
Good looking.
RAM, let me guess...FW-190....hmmm......Dora?
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Lt. Col. Aaron "txace-" Giles of the 457th BG
"Fait Accompli"
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PC,
that is an unfair analogy. The Axis powers lost the war, of course the Axis planes were no longer produced after 1945. Except for the Bf109 which was manufactured in Spain until 1956, that is a 21 year production run. Of course it includes all of WWII (unlike the F4U's production run) which saw unprecedented advancement of aeronuatical engineering, yet it remained a capable fighter.
Now I'm no LW fan, but I just don't like unfair comparrisons used to justify something that is personal taste in the end. So (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) to PC.
The only Allied combat aircraft that was produced before the war and was still being produced after the war was the Spitfire. The first production Spitfire MkI was produced in 1938 and the last production Seafire F.47 was produced in 1949. That is an 11 year run that, unlike the F4U (which only had a 10 year run from 1942 to 1952), includes all of WWII. Like the Bf109, the Spitfire was still a capable fighter when it ended production, despit being designed in the 1930's. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) to PC again.
Sisu
-Karnak
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PC there was a 190 made this year, and some Me 262's almost complete. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Neener neener neener!
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leonid, Kompol
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P-51D no question about it. The most beautifull prop aircraft ever built.
Its fast, good guns, dives, and zooms like a dream (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
The 190A series is not a bad looker either.
Splatula (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Overlord Spatula
if you adhere to all the rules you miss out on all the fun
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The CAC Boomerang.
I'm an Aussie, so is she.
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Oh yeah I forgot my other favorites:
(http://www.totavia.com/imagearchive/aviapix/Fighters/F8F/F8F_5_large.jpg)
Grumman F8F
(http://www.totavia.com/imagearchive/aviapix/Fighters/F7F/f7f3.jpg)
Grumman F7F
(http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/p51-30.jpg)
North American P-51H
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Well I've always loved the Hawker Hurricane... so that's mine. Like the Hawker Hart/Hind biplane too (used in Africa/far East).
Regards
'Nexx'
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109E (yellow nosed) first model i ever made (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by texace:
RAM, let me guess...FW-190....hmmm......Dora?
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In fact, any of them (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
but the one I want into AH...is the one in my sig (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Ram, out
I WANT THIS PLANE!!!!!!!
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I want Funked's selections. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Hawgz
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Karnak
All good points except the one about the 109 being an effective fighter at the end of its production run. If it finishes in Spain. thats not the case. The F4 Phantom was in production when the spanish line finished.
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Originally posted by Karnak:
Spitfire MkXIV. No question about it.
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Sisu
-Karnak
Didn't spit XIV have bubble canopy and more runstang look-like nose?
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Originally posted by Pongo:
Karnak
All good points except the one about the 109 being an effective fighter at the end of its production run. If it finishes in Spain. thats not the case. The F4 Phantom was in production when the spanish line finished.
Hey whats wrong with it?...we had good taste thats all!!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Brewster Buffalo and Messerschmitt 109 G-2. In no particular order. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Camo
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Brewster into AH!
"The really good pilots use their superior judgement to keep them out of situations
where they might be required to demonstrate their superior skill."
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Fishu,
About half of all MkXIV Spits where "razorbacks" and about half were bubble canopy Spitfires.
"Ginger" Lacey's far east squadron recieved a shipment of bubble canopy Spitfire MkXIVs and he refused them on the grounds that they weren't Spitfires, "it wasn't a bloody Spitfire" is how he put it. The RAF gave them to a squadron that was flying war weary Hurricane MkIIs and they were very glad to have them. Squadron Leader Lacey was then sent a bunch of "razorback" Spitfire MkXIVs which he found to be acceptable.
The nose on the Griffon engined Spitfires had a very noticable downward curve to them. That may be a bit exagerated in that picture, but it is essentially correct.
Sisu
-Karnak
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The noodle XIV started receiving bubble canopies in the beginning of 45.
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Nath-BDP,
Actually they started producing bubble canopied Spitfire MkXIVs in June of 1944.
I don't know where you got the 1945 date, but if you could tell me I'd appriciate it.
Sisu
-Karnak
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Late Marque Spitfires Aces... I can get you the ISBN if you want but its an Osprey Book of the Aces series.
The Spitfires with bubble canopies in 44 were prolly field mods... spits started coming out of the factory with bubble canopies in 45.
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"Grünherz"
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Yak-9U. (In AH anyway.)
Why? It's beautiful, it's fast, it's manoeuverable. Not the very best in any thing, but very good at everything, and quite my kind of plane - until Spit14 is released. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I only wish it carried more fuel and... the LA-5FN's jug of vodka behind the pilot.
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DrSoya
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303 (Polish) Squadron "Kosciuszko" RAF [WB]
Part of the Northolt Wing (http://www.raf303.org/northolt) (First Polish Fighter Wing)
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Hawker Hurricane (Preferably a MK II or up)
Why? Same as all the Hellcat, Jug, and Warhawk lovers, it's not beautiful in the normal sense.. but man, it has something about it!!!!!
And in the case of pure beauty and nothing else, the Lightning (and then I don't refer to that incredibly ugly cumbersome British Jet Interceptor with it's two engines strapped on top of eachother)!!
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Oh Jeez, if I only had a rearview mirror!
Bies
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The question is what is MY favorite. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Well, the F4U was thee Marine's Plane. The Japanese called it the "Whisling Death".
Great for close air support of ground troops. The Marines pioneered and perfected close air support. There was something about a F4 Phantom comming in at tree top level and laying a precision drop of napalm within a grenades throw of your position, that cannot be described. Knowing there were Phantoms and Cobra Gunships made life a little easier in Vietnam (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Anyway, the F4U is gull winged, distinctive looking, hard hitting, powerful, reliable, and tough, like the Marines who flew it, and the Marines it flew support for.
Yep, the Corsair was a Marines plane, and as an X-Marine what else would I choose? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I also have a soft spot for the Spitfire... a plane as dashing as the RAF. [I also have a soft spot for the Brits, BTW (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)]
If I couldn't fly a Corsair, probably the Pony or the P-38, even if they are "Chairforce" planes (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
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Depending on your definition of WWII plane I'll submit 2.
1st pick but maybe not a legal choice. Horten 229 If you are not familiar with this plane, do yourself a favor and check it out. Simply an engineering masterpiece, IMHO not equaled untill f-86's and mig-15's. And maybe not even then.
2nd pick ME-163 Yeah, yeah, I know it had problems, but 15k/min climb in WWII is insane!!! That's 2 minutes to intercept b-17's at their max alt.
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Originally posted by dudedog:
2nd pick ME-163 Yeah, yeah, I know it had problems, but 15k/min climb in WWII is insane!!! That's 2 minutes to intercept b-17's at their max alt.
I really wonder...why not?...
Me163 in AH...END OF 35K DWEEB STRATOBOMBERS (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I really wonder...why not?...
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RAM,
While I kinda like the idea, here's why not (IMHO):
It would not only be used against the strato dweeb. It would make the honest bomber pilot's, who just spent 45 minutes climbing to 23,000ft, life alot harder and a lot less fun. E.g. Why should I bother trying is as soon as I get to the target some "Rocket dweeb" is just gonna zip up to me in a minute and a half and put a bunch of 30mm shells in my belly?
The effort put in by the Bomber pilot in that scenario is in no way matched by the effort put in by the Fighter pilot.
Sisu
-Karnak
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People wonder why there are no sizable bomber squads in AH...
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Originally posted by Karnak:
RAM,
While I kinda like the idea, here's why not (IMHO):
It would not only be used against the strato dweeb. It would make the honest bomber pilot's, who just spent 45 minutes climbing to 23,000ft, life alot harder and a lot less fun. E.g. Why should I bother trying is as soon as I get to the target some "Rocket dweeb" is just gonna zip up to me in a minute and a half and put a bunch of 30mm shells in my belly?
The effort put in by the Bomber pilot in that scenario is in no way matched by the effort put in by the Fighter pilot.
Sisu
-Karnak
Ah karnaK (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) sorry forgot to mention...
As perk plane only of course (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) nobody would waste perk points on a plane that has a fuel load of 5 minutes and then has to glide towards the land...
unless there is a 30K dweeb near the field (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
The satisfaction you'd get with those kills would be awesome don't you think?
SEriously I think that it is not that bad idea! the 20-25K buffers wont have the problem of the Komet because if you can go and get them with a piston engine plane with no perk points used...whats the point it losing them with a 163? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by funked:
People wonder why there are no sizable bomber squads in AH...
IMHO because to be a dedicated bomber is quite boring.
Funked if Me163 is promised as perk plane by pyro I promise (its a serious promise) not to squeak again about Buff's gun power and long range hitting...
(of course this doesnt include gyrostabilized guns able to fire in a 3G turn (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif))
The promise is done. If it comes or is promised to come I'll comply (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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