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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: GtoRA2 on September 12, 2003, 08:12:48 PM
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Racism? What does it mean to you?
For me I think it is hugely overblown. I see very little true racism now. I have mentioned the one case I though may have been racism, and I think Meitla called me a commie over it.
I think the school system is racist in that poor schools get les money then schools in rich areas, and that puts poor kids (mostly minorities) at a disadvantage.
I have been called a racist. I was so angry over this I could not believe it. I am not a racist, nor was the situation a racist situation. Here is the run down.
I worked for a major Scanner company about 5 years ago as a tech support rep. I was the god of support. I knew it all. I was promoted to supervisor and had 30 techs in my group. I worked the 11 to 7PM shift. That late at night things where slow, and since I was not taking normal calls, just supervisor calls I had time to do other things. One of the things I was supposed to do was listen in on calls.
I do this starting with the first person on the far side of the department and work my way over tech by tech. I get to a specific tech, an older black woman. She is not one of MY techs but I am still supposed to listen in on all the techs on my shift. So I log into her phone.
She takes a call, and listens to the customer for a second, then a group of techs come to her desk and start talking. So she attempts to put her customer on hold, but does not do it right then proceeds to make fun of the guy to the others techs, I can hear it but the customer does not seem to notice. She comes back on he goes on, with his problem and then she interrupts him and puts him on hold again. I look up and she is talking to her friends again. She comes back tells him uninstall and reinstall and hangs up abruptly.
I have heard some bad customer service in my time but this took the cake. So I write up a report and hand it over to her supervisor the next morning. Later that morning she was called in by the manager. I was there along with her lead and the manager. They explain to her that she had one of her calls listened to and it was poorly handled and that they would like her to take some extra training.
She asked who did the listen in and I say I did. She turns to my boss and says “this is all just because I am black and he is a racist! I want to talk to human resources” There was a bit more conversation, me explaining point by point from my report what I saw as wrong. I have only on one other occasion seen a tech be more rude, and that’s when the tech said “Jesus Christ SIR don’t call me an *******!”
The fact is she was a horrible tech, she blew the guy off and when she got caught she played the race card. Where did this leave me? Same place only I was told never to speak to her in any way again or do listen ins. Only the manager himself was to have any contact with her for any company business. I didn’t get a write up or in real trouble, but it still pissed me off.
Now when I hear “I was discriminated against I always have to take it with a grain of salt. A big one.”
Another case. My girl friend works as a sales admin, her salesman, a black guy, would blow off clients, or quote lower prices then he should and try and sneak it through the system and never call back his clients, so my GF ended up fixing it all.
He gets three write ups and then fired. He claims racism and tries to sue! He tried to get my GF to sign a letter saying she heard them say things about his race and she refused, and now he is pissed at her. He has even called her boss and tried to accuse her of theft. There was no racism in this case either. He was a **** up and if he had been my sales guy I would have fired him FAR sooner since he cost the company well over 100 grand and two very big accounts.
Makes you wonder how many times when racism is called, that its legit or BS?
With people like Sharpton around it seems to me more BS then real anymore.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Racism? What does it mean to you?
For me I think it is hugely overblown. I see very little true racism now. I have mentioned the one case I though may have been racism, and I think Meitla called me a commie over it.
Say what!!!!
If I recall the exchange it was about schools and you argued that school funding should be equalized, so every child has an "equal opportunity". My position was that
1) it it simply impossible and
2) the "equal opportunity" ends with equal access and does not extend to same lunch, same books, same computer and same everything else. That's lunacy.
I can't find a link to this thread, but I always make an effort not to attack people, only the ideas (you'll of course be a judge on how successful I am at that).
I called your idea of "equalizing" schools commie (which it is), I did not call you a commie.
Sorry if you took it as a personal attack. I was never meant as such.
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The situation you've described sure smacks of racism, but it is not you who are racist here.
Nothing hurts the equal opportunity like race card played from the bottom of a deck. Unfortunately, it always wins...
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Racism is the trump card in the great American business of victimhood. "Civil rights leaders" like Jackson are just race hustlers left over from the 60's. When they all leave the scene maybe we can start being un-hyphenated Americans and get on with our lives. If the Democrats let us.
ra
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Bah.
Racism is around. Pay attention -- in the US most white people act differently down to the level of eye contact and body language according to the race of the person they're confronted with. It's pernicious and it affects people on a variety of levels. Pretending like it's not there won't help matters.
On the other hand, I'm familiar with accusations and lawsuits of this sort. Many of them have very little to do with racism, and a hell of a lot to do with tort laws. The problem is not "victimhood", but the corporate notion that a "racism suit" is such a bad thing that it has to be avoided at all costs, that is, at a nice out-of-court settlement cost. In many cases, it's extortion.
Most people are good people, but you will always have prettythangholes willing to set the cause of civil rights back fifty years if it means covering their own incompetence.
The problem is independent of republican or democratic administrations: racial discrimination is illegal, and you can get civil damages for it. Thanks to our glorious system of jury awards, most companies are happy to pay a sum of money on unsubstantiated claims of racism than submit a lawsuit to judgment. The result is you see morons playing the race card.
But it doesn't mean that racism doesn't exist, or that employees aren't discriminated against on the basis of race. If anything, it's worse now. Companies are finding non-white, non-male hires a bigger risk because any firing or layoff is vulnerable to an accusation of racism or sexism. That makes those persons less appealling economically.
would there be less racism without antidiscrimination laws? I doubt it. Is there a better solution? If there is, it's obvious and overlooked.
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That is the key problem with the JJ/Sharpton method of "improving" race relations. What they do, in fact, sets it back for the reason Dinger says. And DO NOT call THAT racism, it is a business decison based on liabilities, not capabilities or color. For women it is often the same way. As a business person, you must be very very careful about firing anyone but a white male-him you can just boot and move on.
edit-which, in Texas at least, is the way it should be for everyone.
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I'm like a lot of you in here, ex-military, in my case, I spent almost 15 years in the U.S. Army Infantry, most of my time in the 101st Airborne.
I do not consider myself a racist, nor do I even consider myself prejudiced. The military certainly wrung that out of me. I worked alongside people of a variety of colors, creeds and upbringings.
And what did I learn? There are close-minded, ignorant, and beligerant people from all walks of life, and the open minded and easy going get slaughtered by them.
For me, still to this day, I could care less what color you are, what religeon you follow, or whatever. My way of life has always been "Get the job done" and if you willing to get it done, hey, you're okay in my book.
Do whites (of which I am one) discriminate? Yes, I do believe so. And because of those two examples listed above. God forbid I am ever in management. {Go Teamsters!} But looking at those two examples I wonder how I would deal with them if I was in their place.
Do non-whites discriminate? Oh yes, most certainly. Since leaving the service, I now deliver wine, beer and liquor to bars, resteraunts and liquor stores. We get "discriminated" against while making deliveries in "Da Hood" or whatever.
Hmmm, rambling, it's late.
Final thought - People need to wake up, stop thinking about just themselves, and work together to get the U.S. back in line. All this PC crap is going to run us into the ground.
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Racism is when your expectations of who or what somebody is are influenced by their race. Racism can also be when policies are structured or implimented in such a way to focus on a particular group of people irregardless of qualifications.
As to the comments about racism being present in the various minority groups, that is of course correct. We're all human.
Interestingly, in the state of Washington their hate crime laws have most frequently been brought against blacks for racism against non-blacks.
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Other day, my son goes to the fair... he went with his friends... at one point he and his friends decided to get some sort of rice bowl teriyaki thing... His friend walks up and orders... $2... then my son... they didn't walk up together so the guy had no reason to think they were together... he orders the same thing.. $3... he questioned the guy at the counter who replied, "that guy is asian. you're not."
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never mind.
been drinking.
RTR
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I've ran into so many racial stereotypes, especially when I managed that auto repair shop, that racism exists on all social levels, all races, and at any time. I've seen it so many times that nothing about it shocks me anymore. But, to be honest, the most shocked I have been was the racism I ran into in Canada when my ship had a couple of liberty stops there. And I thought Texas was bad...
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To think of it.. I don't think I've ever heard of a white guy calling an african (or person of some other race) as a racist.
However it isn't unusual to hear these representors of the other races to refer to racism.
(of course this is not a generalization)
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^What did he say?
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When Ripsnort claims he's full blooded-American (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=94444), does that make him a native racist?
SCNR :p
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I hate everyone equally.... keeps the race card at bay.
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Racism is when you disagree with a Liberal. Or, is that 'being filled with Hate' ? I forget....
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I thought Racism was when you loved NASCAR. Go Junior!
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Rednecks and Affirmative Action
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Originally posted by Otto
Racism is when you disagree with a Liberal. Or, is that 'being filled with Hate' ? I forget....
both, and you are a homophobe as well.
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Originally posted by Karnak
Racism is when your expectations of who or what somebody is are influenced by their race. Racism can also be when policies are structured or implimented in such a way to focus on a particular group of people irregardless of qualifications.
Agree. And that's one of the reasons why I believe that the Afirmative Action really hurts the cause it is invented to promote.
I hurts those who genuinely deserve the position based on merits, and helps those who do not deserve it (not to say race hustlers).
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mietla
Well I have to say I was a tad offended at first on the commy thing, but it has been a long time and even then the offendedness went away and I was more amused. I have NEVER had anyone ever call me one before. LOL I am far from it.
All I was saying is the system is not fair. I understand it prolly will never change.
I am also not saying there is no REAL racism. I know it is out there till this day.
Another case I forgot about:
Friend of the family is the head couch at a highschool in hayward. He couched baseball, basketball and football I think. He has been teaching and couching at this school for more then 20 years and his basket ball team just about always went at least to the state championships.
I know this man is no racist. He took in a black kid when his mom kicked him out at 18(not that, that proves anything, but trust me he is not,). He let this kid live in his home for over a year! lol The kid still visits all the time.
His team members always loved him. Hell they would come over and help him do stuff to his house all the time.
He had rules. No C average no team sports, and none of that fix the grades BS.
He cuts a kid for having bad grades, the mom contacts the school district and claims he is a racist. The school pricipal won't back him up and now he only teaches english. This man LOVED couching. He was good for the school and his teams won. He would not sue over it, he was withen 3 years of his 30 I think so he decided to stick it out as a strait teacher and retire.
He would have stayed on as a couch for longer. It only hurt the kids in this otherwise pretty crappy school. But the pricipal sold him down the river.
It is total ****. This mans career as a couch ended of a false claim..
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
mietla
Well I have to say I was a tad offended at first on the commy thing, but it has been a long time and even then the offendedness went away and I was more amused. I have NEVER had anyone ever call me one before. LOL I am far from it.
Although I did not call you a commie, it is good to hear that you felt offended by even a hint of it . I'd be more than happy to make it up to you over a beer or something.
I would also use an opportunity to convince you that "equal anything" is a really bad idea, especially if enforced by the omnipotent government.
All we are owed by the society is the equality before the law. In other words, the government and the law owes us to treat us equally.
Other than that, our fellow citizen owe us NOTHING..
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
She asked who did the listen in and I say I did. She turns to my boss and says “this is all just because I am black and he is a racist!
That's when you immediately say, "You're just saying that because I'm white, you're a ractist. You wouldn't have said that if I was black, right?", and really confuse the **** out of her.
Now when I hear “I was discriminated against I always have to take it with a grain of salt. A big one.”
Good idea to take a grain of salt with everying...except food ironically enough as it can lead to high blood pressure. However, keep in mind that just because some of the black people you know used the "race card" to try and escape person resonsiblity, doesn't mean all or even most will, to believe different would be racist. :)
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Originally posted by Thrawn
That's when you immediately say, "You're just saying that because I'm white, you're a ractist. You wouldn't have said that if I was black, right?", and really confuse the **** out of her.
nice try Mr. BleedingHeart. They have PC and activist judges on their side. Confusion is cheap, monetary awords they win are not.
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Originally posted by mietla
nice try Mr. BleedingHeart. They have PC and activist judges on their side. Confusion is cheap, monetary awords they win are not.
I think thrawn was joking Mietla. But one of those jokes that you'd actually like to see happen.
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Not sure about it, were you sarcastic Thrawn?
BTW, I do know how to spell award.
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GtoRa2,
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http://www.northoltwing.com/minicon
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What racism means to me? Hmmm....
It's means that when I say "I don't understand YOU people" it is always intertrepted as....
(a) black
(b) african-american
people and that I'm making a racists remark.
Go figure...perhaps I don't like people who fold the newspaper in my perferred manner.
Racism also mean to me that others are oversensitive to it and that it also works against me.
Of course I'm rasicts because I say things like "you" people...whatever I happen to mean.
I think it would be laughable and un-noteworthy if I[/size] wasn't judged by my skin and therefore my comments are "colored" because of my skin. You want to talk about racism. My comments are judged because of my skin color. FU
Talk about racism. I call it reverse-racism.
Go figure.
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its not racism...theres only one race...the human one
jews arnt a race...there a religous order
its just idiocy
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I was planing on attending, but my aunt is coming into town that weekend. It may be the last time I get so see her since she is dying of cancer.
I may be able to just stop in for a time, I can't remember if I have to pay for that though! lol.
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Where they where descriminated agaist?
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Where they where descriminated agaist?
Only going up for E-4. After testing I was PNA'd due to 4 minorities with lower test scores than me getting promoted. What I get for taking a gov't job.
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Racism is real.
It happens every day.
What I don't understand is how pissy people get when they are called on a racist remark just because "they didn't mean it that way".
Who cares how you meant it. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. We should all be sensetive about how and what we say to others. There is sufficient history for many in our society to "take it wrong" for good reason.
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What I don't understand is how pissy people get when they are called on a racist remark just because "they didn't mean it that way".
People are tired of hearing unwarranted charges of racism used ad nauseum. Some people have a clear conscience.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Racism is real.
It happens every day.
What I don't understand is how pissy people get when they are called on a racist remark just because "they didn't mean it that way".
Who cares how you meant it. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. We should all be sensetive about how and what we say to others. There is sufficient history for many in our society to "take it wrong" for good reason.
:rolleyes: Oh NO... RUN EVERYONE, THE PC POLICE ARE HERE!
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I think it has turned 180 degrees and white males are the biggest targets for racist treatment in the world right now.:(
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I am not saying it is not real.
I am saying I personaly care whole hell of a lot less about this issue since I was acused of it and it was 100% a false claim.
On a side not, frankly I couldn't give a **** if people go around making racist coments. They are free to do it, and are protected by the first amendment like any other speach.
I think the only time the government should get involved in RACE issues is if a person has a real case where they where not hired or not allowed to do anything purely based on race.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Where they where descriminated agaist?
I tried to join the Black Panthers but they turned me down...they said I was white. So I looked in the mirror, and surprisingly they were right. Came as quite a shock to me.:eek: