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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: muckmaw on September 18, 2003, 12:11:26 PM
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Let me just put in bold the parts of the article that are unecessary and an obvious effort to sway the reader's opinion of the war.
The violence involving U.S. troops heightened tensions in the "Sunni Triangle," a belt of central Iraq that has been the heart of support for Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) loyalists against the American-led occupation. U.S. soldiers in the region are extremely jumpy, caught in what has become a guerrilla war.
The ambush took place in Khaldiyah. The town's police chief, Col. Khedeir Mekhalef Ali, was assassinated Monday in a brazen shooting — the latest attack on Iraqis working with coalition forces. Ali was shot at a traffic circle on the outskirts of nearby Fallujah as he was returning to his home there.
Al-Arabiya television reported eight Americans were killed and one wounded in Thursday's ambush. The U.S. military did not confirm any deaths.
An Associated Press driver said a 3-year-old boy was shot in the chest. His condition was not known.
Five U.S. tanks, two Bradley fighting vehicles and 40 troops surrounded the neighborhood from which gunmen opened fire after the roadside bomb exploded, an AP reporter in Khaldiyah said. Helicopters hovered above.
Initially as U.S. forces took fire from unknown positions, the soldiers shot back with no obvious targets in an apparent effort to protect themselves until reinforcements arrived, a witness said.
The AP reporter was fired on by one of the tanks with three rounds from its 50-caliber machine gun. An AP photographer said his car was shot up by American troops, the windshield blown out and all the tires flattened. The photographer and his driver were not injured.
Shortly afterward and nine miles to the west, a second roadside bomb hit a military convoy of three Humvees and a truck. One Humvee was engulfed in flames.
It was not clear if the military casualty report included the second attack.
Hours later, soldiers pointed tank cannons at reporters every time they tried to approach to find out what had happen.
As it grew dark, the Americans pulled out, removing the burned truck with a crane.
About 100 Iraqis danced in the streets and carried a large photo of Saddam dressed in military fatigues. There was celebratory gunfire and the people chanted: "With our blood, with our souls, we sacrifice ourselves for you, Saddam."
Wednesday night's shooting at the wedding in Fallujah came after American soldiers mistakenly killed eight U.S.-allied Iraqi police officers outside the town in a friendly fire incident. The military has apologized for the incident and opened an investigation.
Witnesses said guests at the wedding shot guns into the air in celebration, and passing American troops in Humvees, believing they were under attack, opened fire, killing the teen and wounding six other people.
A resident, Adel Hmood, said the Americans had opened fire 360 degrees around themselves. The dead boy, Sufyan Daoud al-Kubaisi, was on his way to buy cigarettes when he was killed, Hmood said.
Bullet holes in homes and buildings in the area, about two blocks off the main street in Fallujah, suggested heavy firing by the Americans.
A policeman who spoke on condition of anonymity said he had heard identical reports. No U.S. forces could be seen in the city Thursday.
Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, the commander of coalition forces, said the military was investigating and could not confirm that a boy was killed.
The military said the pipeline fire north of Baghdad was so fierce that investigators could not get close to determine its cause. Maj. Josslyn Aberle, spokeswoman for the 4th Infantry Division based in Tikrit, 120 miles north of Baghdad, said valves on the pipeline were being closed to shut off fuel to the fire.
"The fire won't affect oil production or the timetable for resuming exports," Aberle said.
Another pipeline, to the Turkish Mediterranean port of Ceyhan, has been hit by a string of sabotage attacks. L. Paul Bremer, the U.S. administrator of Iraq, said the line's closure was costing the country $7 million each day. The military says the line should resume operation in about a month.
In Baghdad, police backed by U.S. soldiers and helicopters sealed a large part of the center of the city Thursday in a raid to capture car thieves. Two men were arrested at an auto repair shop on suspicion of having stolen a police vehicle.
In an audiotape broadcast Wednesday by al-Arabiya, a speaker purporting to be Saddam urged Iraqis to escalate attacks on Americans and called on U.S.-led forces to leave the country "as soon as possible and without any conditions."
The speaker, who sounded like the ousted Iraqi leader, also urged Washington's international partners not to "fall prey in the traps of American foreign policy" and reject any plan for Iraq's future which legitimizes military occupation.
News editor Aymen Gaballah said the 14-minute tape was obtained Wednesday after a caller to the station's Baghdad office told employees where to find it.
More doom and GLoom from Yahoo and the Left. 17 Weeks, we've been in Iraq. Why dont you guys take a moment and report some of the great things we have accomplished in Iraq. Or are there no good things to report? Or is it simply that Panic sells?
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sad part is most readers are not smart enough to know they are being lead
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sad part is some readers can make something out of nothing
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Right, so it's not necessary because you don't like it.
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Let me just put in bold the parts of the article that are unecessary and an obvious effort to sway the reader's opinion of the war.
U.S. soldiers in the region are extremely jumpy, caught in what has become a guerrilla war.
What part of this is not true?
Al-Arabiya television reported eight Americans were killed and one wounded in Thursday's ambush. The U.S. military did not confirm any deaths. If Al-Arabiya is reporting propaganda why would we confirm a lie?
An Associated Press driver said a 3-year-old boy was shot in the chest. His condition was not known.
Should we not report a small child being injured?
Initially as U.S. forces took fire from unknown positions, the soldiers shot back with no obvious targets in an apparent effort to protect themselves until reinforcements arrived, a witness said.
Under sniper fire, setting up a perimiter and covering fire. What's the problem?
Hours later, soldiers pointed tank cannons at reporters every time they tried to approach to find out what had happen. If they have set a perimiter, NOBODY is going to infiltrate the position, including someone claiming to be a reporter. Maybe they should have let everyone walk in and mingle about.
About 100 Iraqis danced in the streets and carried a large photo of Saddam dressed in military fatigues. There was celebratory gunfire and the people chanted: "With our blood, with our souls, we sacrifice ourselves for you, Saddam." Should they not report there are still anti-American sentiments and activities?
Wednesday night's shooting at the wedding in Fallujah came after American soldiers mistakenly killed eight U.S.-allied Iraqi police officers outside the town in a friendly fire incident. The military has apologized for the incident and opened an investigation. You prefer we cover up a Friendly Fire accident?
Bullet holes in homes and buildings in the area, about two blocks off the main street in Fallujah, suggested heavy firing by the Americans. Maybe you like "Those? Just Desert mosqiuto bites!"
More doom and GLoom from Yahoo and the Left. 17 Weeks, we've been in Iraq. Why dont you guys take a moment and report some of the great things we have accomplished in Iraq. Or are there no good things to report? Or is it simply that Panic sells? [/B]
It really sounds like if it's not 100% Pro US we should not be informed of it according to you. That would be, oh what's the word I'm looking for, ummmm... Propaganda?
There is a reason we have a free press. To hear every side of a story and not force fed just one. Perhaps we should make a council of rightminded citizens to interperate what we should hear. We could call them Censors and let them decide how we think.
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Originally posted by rpm371
Originally posted by muckmaw
Let me just put in bold the parts of the article that are unecessary and an obvious effort to sway the reader's opinion of the war.
U.S. soldiers in the region are extremely jumpy, caught in what has become a guerrilla war.
What part of this is not true?
How does the AP know the Mood of every soldier, or even a majority of Soliders in the region? They're speculating and painting a gloomy picture with no facts to back it up. Yellow journalism.
Al-Arabiya television reported eight Americans were killed and one wounded in Thursday's ambush. The U.S. military did not confirm any deaths. If Al-Arabiya is reporting propaganda why would we confirm a lie?
So now the AP is simply a viaduct for propaganda. Journalists are always in the business of reporting unconfirmed stories, but this is common place when it comes to Iraq.
An Associated Press driver said a 3-year-old boy was shot in the chest. His condition was not known.
Should we not report a small child being injured? Is it germaine to the story or is it mere sensationlism to paint the US Military, once again, as baby killers?
Initially as U.S. forces took fire from unknown positions, the soldiers shot back with no obvious targets in an apparent effort to protect themselves until reinforcements arrived, a witness said.
Under sniper fire, setting up a perimiter and covering fire. What's the problem?
Well, according to this report, people not as versed as you are going to believe that the Army fires in random directions whenever they hear a car backfire.
Hours later, soldiers pointed tank cannons at reporters every time they tried to approach to find out what had happen. If they have set a perimiter, NOBODY is going to infiltrate the position, including someone claiming to be a reporter. Maybe they should have let everyone walk in and mingle about.
That's my point...the reporters make it sound like the army is a bunch of gun nuts, so paranoid that they point their tank cannons at any approaching vehicle. Guess what, AP, that's the way it's supposed to be when your protecting your life from a hidden enemy. ONce again, they Army is doing the right thing, but look how the media paints their actions.
About 100 Iraqis danced in the streets and carried a large photo of Saddam dressed in military fatigues. There was celebratory gunfire and the people chanted: "With our blood, with our souls, we sacrifice ourselves for you, Saddam." Should they not report there are still anti-American sentiments and activities?
Sure, just report the rest of the country outside the Sunni triangle celebrating our efforts. Do an iun depth piece on the Kurds, and their relief from decades of murderous oppression.
Wednesday night's shooting at the wedding in Fallujah came after American soldiers mistakenly killed eight U.S.-allied Iraqi police officers outside the town in a friendly fire incident. The military has apologized for the incident and opened an investigation. You prefer we cover up a Friendly Fire accident?
Do we constantly have to refer back to it to fan the flames of discontent? This is old news. Why is it being reported AGAIN today? Hmmmm....
Bullet holes in homes and buildings in the area, about two blocks off the main street in Fallujah, suggested heavy firing by the Americans. Maybe you like "Those? Just Desert mosqiuto bites!" How do you know their our bullets? Are reporters suddenly ballisitc experts who can tell the difference between an AK-47 Bullet hole from a Saddam Firing Squad 6 months ago, and n M-16 round from 6 days ago? Last time I checked most reported could not tell a B-52 from a Cessna 152. Now they're ballisitcs experts?
It really sounds like if it's not 100% Pro US we should not be informed of it according to you. That would be, oh what's the word I'm looking for, ummmm... Propaganda? It seems to me, Friend, that unless it's 100% Doom and Gloom Anti-Bush, Anti-War, IT DOES NOT GET REPORTED AT ALL. THAT's CALLED...HMMM...HAVING AN AGENDA.
There is a reason we have a free press. To hear every side of a story and not force fed just one. Perhaps we should make a council of rightminded citizens to interperate what we should hear. We could call them Censors and let them decide how we think.
HOW ABOUT WE HEAR BOTH SIDES FOR A CHANGE. THE POINT IS, ALL WE EVER HEAR IS DOOM AND GLOOM.
I apologize for the inadvertant Caps in the last 2 sentences. Inadvertant.
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an officer made iraqies paint a water tower in the desert like his college colors.
theres your Golly-geened good news.
fact is more americans soldiers dead for dubaya's war.
please come up with a more "important" story.
since it seems to be "important" to you to do so.
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
an officer made iraqies paint a water tower in the desert like his college colors.
theres your Golly-geeed good news.
fact is more americans soldiers dead for dubaya's war.
What a truly compelling argument.:rolleyes:
Tell ya what, if you don't have anything constructive to add to either side of the argument, aside from pointless drivel, simply do yourself a favor and STFU.
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Your trying too hard to paint the media as some tool of a higher power.Who is the leader? Certainly somebody has to be in charge of it. This is the same media that was getting praise for their coverage of the war a few months ago. The war (Yes,I say war because we still have troops fighting) has reached a different stage. President Bush has told us of the long, difficult struggle we face in Iraq, was he just being another Liberal? If you try to disect every sentence of every story you could find any conclusion you wanted to in any story. Trust me if there was any new "Feel Good" news coming out of Iraq the White House would be all over it.
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RPM,
I cetainley do appreciate your viewpoint, and respect your well thought out argument.
I simply cannot believe, however, that there is no good news about Iraq. There must be some positive events taking place, as we have 150,000 troops there, yet we hear of 1 or 2 skirmishes a day involving a few attackers.
If the population as a whole, or a large majority were terribly unhappy with the American Occupation, don't you agree that we's see much more large scale insurgency, and not 1 or 2 isolated terroist attacks a day?
Is it possible that many of these attacks are being carried out by outsiders simply coming to take a shot at the "Great Satan" and the situation is not as bad in Iraq as the Media will have you believe.
Case in point. Did you watch the local news last night? How many murders, and Fires did they report? How many do they report a week. Almost appears like an epidemic, does it not? People surely must be more careful with their matches and firearms, because everyone is being killed and their houses torched. Now, how many people do you know personally, that have been murdered? How many people do you know who's houses have burned down?
Perhaps it's not the liberal media, and simply the media.
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How desperate are you to make something out of nothing?
Why is any of that a 'liberal' bent. Seems to me they were facts.
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Facts are nothing but lies and liberal propaganda. GOD BLESS AMERICA NEVAR FORGET MORANS~!
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Perhaps it's not the liberal media, and simply the media.
That is pretty much what I was trying to say.
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
Facts are nothing but lies and liberal propaganda. GOD BLESS AMERICA NEVAR FORGET MORANS~!
What's a Moran?
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someone that does not understand sarcasim.
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LOL :lol
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
someone that does not understand sarcasim.
Oh, I get it now. You see, I'm used to witty sarcasm, not the inane drivel of a pre-teen.
Thanks for the info.
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This just in: the ap wire is controled by hillary clinton in her efforts to undermind capitalism across the globe, and to reverse the outcome of the vietnam war so that bush never killed hitler, but ted kennedy drank him under the table.
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You have been defeated Muckmaw...stand down. It was bound to happen, even a 'tard can have his day. :D
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I think not, SOB, though I respect you backing your squaddie.
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You walked right into it, and it was amusing...squaddie or no. Besides, he's the tard I was referring to, which made it that much more amazing. :)
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you'd probably find yourself less upset if you'd just stick to reading offical whitehouse press releases.