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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Halo on September 20, 2003, 06:57:18 PM
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What's your favorite classic obscure war movie? Not the blockbusters but the more artsy and often overlooked?
I think mine is The Beast, about a Russian tank that gets separated from its unit in Afghanistan.
There was another whose title escapes me. Might even have been black and white. In WWII, a rather average German family sends its father and sons to war but they're not really into the politics, just figure it's a patriotic thing they need to do, and are mostly anxious for it all to end so they can get home.
It ends with most the family on a balcony at their home somewhere in Germany, looking down the street as the conquering Russians draw nearer. The last statement is something like, "It might not be too bad."
Anyone know the title of that one?
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More artsy and overlooked?
Gotta be "Hell Squad" from the early 80s.
a classic film that's withstood the test of time.
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Not sure if it would qualify as "artsy", but I watch "Heartbreak Ridge" several times a year.
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"A Midnight Clear"
About a unit in the Ardennes during Christmas 1944. They have a snowball fight with the Germans across the line. Pretty good flick.
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Quotes from the above movies I know:
The Beast:
"RPG kaboom tanka"
Heartbreak Ridge:
"It don't mean nothing".
Don't know the others.
An obscure quote from the movie I like:
"Good Italian vine!"
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"The Beast" and "A Midnight Clear" are both excellent flicks!
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The Odd Angry Shot
Tronsky
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The guns of Navorone
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Hmmm, for some reason I keep watching "Castle Keep"
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When Trumpets Fade
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A boy and his Dog
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'The Beast' is awesome, it was good to watch before the recent stuff in Afghanistan in 2001.
The tank commander: "Out of commission, become a pillbox. Out of ammo, become a bunker. Out of time, become heroes. "
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I like "Hell in the Pacific" at least I think that's it... Lee Marvin is marooned on an island, alone except for a solo Japanese soldier...
And for those who have never seen a Gary Cooper movie, Sgt. York is a classic.
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i liked that movei thing...oh god i liked that...im ezxdetsdf
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the ninth configuration.
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toshiro mifune holden.
This scares me:
http://www.jabootu.com/commandogirls.htm
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Thats him...Toshiro Mifune was also in Seven Samurai and Midway...
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Gallipoli.
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'Shot through the Heart'. Heavily based on a true story and taking place in a war that a lot of people have tried very hard to 'ignore away'. I don't care much for most 'war movies'. Too much 'inspirational' music and too many 'happy' or 'heroic' endings. A Bridge Too Far is the type that is the exception - they tell the story of what really happened and don't try to 'sugarcoat' things. This movie is in the same class but far more relevant in terms of 'modern relevance'.
http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0171741/
Mike/wulfie
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Originally posted by Curval
An obscure quote from the movie I like:
"Good Italian vine!"
Stalingrad!
One of my favorites too, very human treatment of a vastly inhuman battle. :)
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The Beast
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Originally posted by Curval
Quotes from the above movies I know:
Heartbreak Ridge:
"It don't mean nothing".
Isn't that from Hamburger Hill?
If you want to see an EXCELLENT WWII film watch "Decision Before Dawn" (1951). I'm surprised this film was never remade.
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One of the best war movies I've ever seen is
"Das Boot" Nothing romantic about that.
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Winter war
Epic 3-4 hour Finnish movie about the winter war (surprise). One of the best warmovies I've ever seen. Probably THE best until SPR arrived.
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Grun..correct! :)
rpm...I think you are right man, that was Hamburger Hill.
Heartbreak Ridge quote:
"The Swede will take care of him. Swede Swede Swede"
:)
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Fires on the Plain, 1959
http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0053121/combined
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"Go Tell the Spartans"
It was a vietnam movie that Bert Lancaster did.
Different point of view on the war for the time.
Drftr
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Too late the Hero with Michael Caine. Quite a film. Did anyone see it?
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Curv, my favorite line from Heartbreak Ridge was a drunken Clint in the jail cell: "You can run me, you can beat me, you can shoot me...Just don't BORE me!" :D
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The Story of G.I. Joe
Attack!
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Shot through the heart and Castle Keep.
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Robin Hood: Men in Tights
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Thats him...Toshiro Mifune was also in Seven Samurai and Midway...
Toshiro Mifune is considered to be the ultimate Samurai actor. He's the equivalent of John Wayne. No, wait, he's more than John Wayne. He's John Wayne, Clint Eastwood, and Yul Brenner all rolled into one. That's how good he is/was/will forever be.
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84 Charlie MoPic
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Quote from the Swede in Heartbreak Ridge:
"I'll wait outside for the MP's sir..." :)
GREAT MOVIE
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The Bridge
The Train
Five Graves to Cairo
http://www.warshows.com/StoreFront.bok
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You know Kelly's Heros was my favorite movie as a kid. It still holds up well. I like to see it now to look at all the vintage equipment they had in the movie.
There is a nice movie about a Marine who gets marooned on a Japanese occupied island in the pacific called "Heven Knows Mr. ?????" I forget the name of Marine. Good movie that is quite nail biteing at times first time you see it.
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Fav. obscure and fav. movie of all time:
Dr.Strangelove (Slim Pickens, greatest actor of all time, IMO, and one of the most generous hollywood stars to have ever lived besides Jerry Lewis)
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Finally found that the answer to my original question might be not a film but a television series: Heimat #1, color and b&w, 924 minutes on nine VHS tapes, available from the German Language Video Center in Indianapolis, Indiana (1-317-547-1257).
This is the 16-hour story of a German family (the Simons) from the end of WWI to 1982. It was shown on PBS, sponsored by WGBH in Boston.
Apparently it was the ending of one of the shows that impressed me so much. Not so much, however, that I'm willing to shell out a buncha geld for all those VHS tapes (would consider less expensive DVDs if they ever become available).
This ring a bell with any of you? Ever recall seeing parts of it?
Other potentially interesting German WWII films are Mein Kreig, I Was 19, The Damned, and the three-part 08/15 (named for a gun that often malfunctioned). I haven't seen any of these but the descriptions sound interesting.
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Firebase gloria
Full metal jacket
the green berets
Saving ryans privates
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Sahara
-SW
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That movie with Robert Mitchum is called "Heaven Knows Mr. Allison".
The movie I like that I haven't seen in years is "No Man Is An Island" with Jeffrey Hunter. It's a true story about a sailor that hides in the jungles of Guam for three years until the U.S. takes back the island.
:aok
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Originally posted by gofaster
Toshiro Mifune is considered to be the ultimate Samurai actor. He's the equivalent of John Wayne. No, wait, he's more than John Wayne. He's John Wayne, Clint Eastwood, and Yul Brenner all rolled into one. That's how good he is/was/will forever be.
Eastwood's "Man with No Name" character in Leone's films (which Clint continued to play in just about every western he did) was based on Mifune's Sanjuro character in Yojimbo and Sanjuro.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
I like "Hell in the Pacific" at least I think that's it... Lee Marvin is marooned on an island, alone except for a solo Japanese soldier...
And yeah, that's one of my favorites. Lee Marvin vs. Mifune. Two guys who actually fought in the war and had the scars to show for it. Real tough guys, not Hollywood pretty boys.
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kinda war movie'ish....the sand pebbles with steve mcqueen.
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Rambo Part II-
Based heavily on a true story, a lone commando goes back to Vietnam to rescue some U.S. POWS. This film is actually one of the most realistic war movies ever made.
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The original All Quiet on the Western Front.
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A Guy Named Joe (1943)
Spencer Tracy, Irene Dunne, Van Johnson and Ward Bond.
Tracy dies bombing a 'German Aircraft Carrier' and comes back as an Angel to help new pilots.
I also seem to remember his old girlfriend (Dunne) flying a P-38 and bombing a Japanese base ;)
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Originally posted by Raubvogel
"A Midnight Clear"
About a unit in the Ardennes during Christmas 1944. They have a snowball fight with the Germans across the line. Pretty good flick.
2nd that.
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In Harms Way
Battleground
Angels Thirteen? (eighteen?) B/W film about Battle of Britain.
dagooooooo
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Dr. Strangelove
Heaven Knows Mr. Allison
All Quiet on the Western Front
Lawrence of Arabia
For Whom the Bell Tolls
(Gary Cooper staying behind to machinegun the fascists so Ingrid Bergman can get away, what a way to go!)
Battan (Robert Taylor, last one alive, machine guns the Japanese, is there a theme here?)
Paths of Glory
12 O'Clock High
Hell's Angels (18 year old Jean Harlow,in a memorable scene involving an extremely scanty robe, need I say more)
Beau Geste (Brian Donlevy, what a great bad guy)
Fort Apache
And an old British movie about an old open bridge destroyer at the beginning of WWII, almost a documentary film on the Royal Navy.
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Platoon??
This flick, along with The Deer Hunter, affected me more than any other war movie.
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Originally posted by -tronski-
The Odd Angry Shot
Tronsky
Ditto Tronsky. This is the best Viet Nam movie ever made if realism is to be considered. IMHO, of course.
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Hmmm... classic and obscure... okay...
The Enemy Below (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050356/)
:)
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Originally posted by mrblack
Firebase gloria
Full metal jacket
the green berets
Saving ryans privates
Cool... I've never heard of any of these. ;)
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Hmmm..
I think Cross of Iron was one of my favs for years.
Does anyone remember "They were Expendable"? Think that was the name. Was about PT boats?
Then there is that Boggie classic with the Tank in the desert keeping the Germans from the well.
I also seem to remember a movie that took place after the war. It was about a Panzer II or was it a III that someone found with a dead crew and it had valuable gems in it and a bunch of Arabs tryin to shoot it or somethin. Was very young so don't remember allot about it.
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Not exactly war movie but post-war one.
"On the beach" still gives me the chills.
Daniel
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The Beast (aka The Beast Of War)
...-Gixer
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Theres a lot here I need to watch :)
Whats the one, I think it had Lee Marvin in it (terrible memory), which finishes with the guy dragging a torpedo off the beach and dropping it from his crane on the back of the barge onto the disabled submerged U-boat ??
Sparks
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Originally posted by Halo
Finally found that the answer to my original question might be not a film but a television series: Heimat #1, color and b&w, 924 minutes on nine VHS tapes, available from the German Language Video Center in Indianapolis, Indiana (1-317-547-1257).
This is the 16-hour story of a German family (the Simons) from the end of WWI to 1982. It was shown on PBS, sponsored by WGBH in Boston.
Apparently it was the ending of one of the shows that impressed me so much. Not so much, however, that I'm willing to shell out a buncha geld for all those VHS tapes (would consider less expensive DVDs if they ever become available).
This ring a bell with any of you? Ever recall seeing parts of it?
Other potentially interesting German WWII films are Mein Kreig, I Was 19, The Damned, and the three-part 08/15 (named for a gun that often malfunctioned). I haven't seen any of these but the descriptions sound interesting.
I've seen Heimat about 10 years ago. Excellent series, very funny and tragic.
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'Operation Daybreak.'
Based on the book 'Seven men at Daybreak' it tells the true story about the assassination of Reinhard Heydrich, who was widely tipped to be Hitler's nominated successor. Heydrich was in charge of Czechoslovakia at the time of the assassination. The British trained Czechs in commando school to do the task and parachuted them in to carry out the job which they succeeded in doing.
After the assassination the German retribution was swift and terrible. A Panzer division wiped a Czech town off the map (Lidice) with the men inside it (the women and children were taken to concentration camps) and posted up a large reward for the capture of the assassins.
The assassins were finally betrayed and cornered by the Germans in a church in Prague where they were all killed.
The courage of the local czech men, women and children in the local resistance was amazing.
This film, for me, is the best film about the second world war that was ever made.
Ravs
more about the events here: http://www.elsham.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/prague.html
more about the film here: http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0075019/
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Lost Battalion
Odd Angry Shot
Southern Comfort ;)
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Whats the one, I think it had Lee Marvin in it (terrible memory), which finishes with the guy dragging a torpedo off the beach and dropping it from his crane on the back of the barge onto the disabled submerged U-boat ??
Sparks that's Murphies war with Peter O'toole
good movie.
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Originally posted by wrag
Then there is that Boggie classic with the Tank in the desert keeping the Germans from the well.
"Sahara". A great film. One of Bogart's best. And the "German" soldiers were actually members of the US Army's 4th Armoured Divisionassigned to work on the film. (http://www.evesmag.com/bogart.htm)
(http://www.evesmag.com/bogartxx.jpg)
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Sahara above was one of my favs as a kid.
84 charlie mopic is awsome but really hard to find.
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The Bedford Incident
"I'll fire one if he fires one."
Oops.
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Originally posted by Raubvogel
"A Midnight Clear"
About a unit in the Ardennes during Christmas 1944. They have a snowball fight with the Germans across the line. Pretty good flick.
I agree, it was different but a pretty good movie.
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Originally posted by wrag
Does anyone remember "They were Expendable"? Think that was the name. Was about PT boats?
"They Were Expendable" was an EXCELLENT film...and the title said it all. Story of a PT Squadron near Corregador that sacrificed everything. Robert Montgomery, John Wayne and Donna Reed. Yep, The Duke took second billing because Montgomery was an actual Naval Reserve Officer that saw combat.
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If you want a "different" war movie, try
"Mediterraneo"
and
"El alamein"
Both Italian.
The first one is... particular, and oscar winner.
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Originally posted by greentail
The Bedford Incident
"I'll fire one if he fires one."
Oops.
I caught this one on Turner Classic Movies one night. I missed the beginning of it but saw the dramatic conclusion. The scenario it presented was scaringly plausible. I haven't seen it on since then, which is a shame because it was very well done. Hopefully it will be shown again before falling back into obscurity.
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funny you should mention The Bedford Incident (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000AMRUP/qid%3D1070464655/sr%3D11-1/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/002-9648897-8200867#product-details), picked it up last month and is a nice addition to the collection
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RPM371
They where expendable was really good. It was also based on the guy who got MacA out of the Philippines.
The guy went on to become an admiral. he commanded Gitmo in Cuba when Castro took over. Castro accused him of stealing water and not paying for it, so he called reporters and had them watch as he cut the water main open. It was bone dry! lol.
This guy was a character... Right out of Annapolis, before the war started, he saw the Japanese ambassador and a bunch of Japanese admirals leaving the Norfolk naval base. He figured they where spying, so he stole the diplomats briefcase and dove over the side of the ferry they were on. He then swam to shore and hitched back to his base and turned the papers into the office of Naval intelligence! He got shipped to China in semi disgrace. I will look the book up. Fantastic read.
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I liked Catch 22
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I know this is corny but the movie has a good plot, etc..
Red Dawn
Wolverines!
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Lepaul.
LOL I just watched that last weekend.
Not a bad movie really.
The Russian tanks look damn good. I can not tell what they really are. hehe
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Zulu