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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Halo on September 21, 2003, 06:24:40 PM
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Since everyone loves grammar (cough cough) even more than playing Aces High, perhaps it is time to become as grammatically correct as we are tactically diligent.
When we attack disadvantaged targets, do we think of ourselves as scavenging carrion (not just dead meat but often rotting meat, hence unfit for human consumption)?
Or do we thrill at exploiting our superior ability to engage with minimum risk to us and maximum danger to our live targets?
The first question is vulching, e.g., vultures picking at a dead rotting carcass that they did not kill.
The second question is pouncing, e.g., raptors diving and snatching live prey to kill it.
Is your target carrion or prey? Do you waste your ammo on something already dead or do you kill something live?
Vulching is not an accurate statement of what occurs in Aces High. Cute and clever, good ring to it, but it doesn't do justice to what we do.
We do a lot of ambushing, but that connotates the target being unaware, and many targets are painfully aware that they are gonna get pounced on.
From what I read and hear, the nearest verb to vulching in real military usage is bouncing, e.g., we bounced four bandits.
Vulching appears to be an inaccurate gaming term that implies nearly helpless victims -- but few military people would ever consider armed targets helpless until neutralized.
Attacks to conquer bases are pretty well covered with existing terms like "let's take 15." Good succinct verb, even a bit understated.
Shouldn't be difficult to ease into pouncing on bandits and targets instead of vulching their corpses.
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Vulching is accurate, not because of what is done to the victims, but because of the circling performed by pilots waiting for a meal.
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Vulching is 1 of the most dangerous roles in AH. Not many people survive to a good vulching operation. Some of the dangers involved are:
1. Eating deck is so easy
2. Gvs and manned ack
3. ramming with target, because of a big difference of speeds
4. Killshooter
5. Incoming high enemies. As your SA is so narrow while looking at hangars.
etc etc
Man,,, only a very few skilled pilots can return home safely after a vulching session ;)
Kosk
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Vulching is a byproduct of a lazy community. Not that people are too lazy to find a real fight... more that people are too lazy to up from a base before enemy show up. "Look, there's a bunch of red cons at our base... LET'S DEFEND IT!" "THOSE DAMN VULCHERS!"
Just like this guy:
It's impossible to vulch without someone really dumb constantly re-upping (http://www.dbstaines.com/film657_2543.zip)
I find it funny that someone would rather make himself out to be a victim just so he could criticize someone else. I find it even funnier that that person still continues on as if it were some kind of crusade. 5% of the player base makes 90% of the vulching possible. And it's not cause they're rocket scientists or the ultimate martyrs.
MiniD
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DARN BUSHWACKERS!!
:D
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Leave it be, Mini D. Carrying a grudge is beneath you. I've always enjoyed your avatar and posts -- you help make Aces High a great community.
I had fun with our vulching encounter too, and hope you did. It's just a game. Always fun to find new experiences, and Aces High offers plenty of them.
Already this thread is getting away from the point, i.e., vulching is an inaccurate term for describing pouncing (not circling or orbiting). Vultures don't mess with live things, but pouncers in Aces High sure do, and that probably provides the most enduring thread in the entire bulletin board.
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I submit the accepted spelling of the word 'Vulcher' as it appears any time you see it. Perhaps the word is an amalgamation of the words 'vulture' and 'poacher', this would explain the unique and accepted spelling of the word.
Who am I kidding?
DARN BUSHWACKERS THAT-WERE-PREVIOUSLY-CIRCLING-LIKE-VULTURES!
:D
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:confused: YUP. I am thoughly confused, being new to Aces High, 4th day, and not all that old to flight sims in general, 2nd year, I am now totally confused re vulchers/vulching.
My thought was, that a vulcher was one who deliberately and with foerthought sought out any and all enemy targets who were {1} sitting on the deck {2}just taking off {3}landing......the term was commonly used to describe the behavior of the individual and not meant to be accurate. Since the actual bird ie Vulture is a carrion eater the term becomes less then pallatable.
I do think that on occasion we all, in the heat of battle, become the vulture at least once. But it is a case of opportunity rather then a pre-planned sortie.
Would the aforementioned action occure in actual combat, why OF COURSE it would since enemy neutralization is of prime importance...I think we must be sure that this IS the goal here as well, and not just to aggravate others.
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It all depends upon what type of Vulture we classify ourselves ...
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In the United States there are three different vultures: the California Condor found mostly in Southern California; the Black Vulture found in the east and deep south, and almost never in the west; and the Turkey Vulture which ranges from Canada to the tip of Cape Horn and from the West Coast to the East Coast.
"The Turkey Vulture (and also the California Condor) are classified by the Ornithological Union in the same order as storks and flamingos (Ciconiiformes). The basis for this classification includes genetic, anatomical, and behavioral. An interesting fact - they both eat meat, the same as human beings do, and also up to 50% of their diet consists of vegetation"
The Turkey Vulture is lacking strength in its tiny grasping claw and does not and cannot kill. Also, the Turkey Vulture's beak has neither the shape nor strength to tear into a fresh carcass.
The Black Vulture is often aggressive, can kill small animals, and will even attack horses, cows, and people. Raptors, including hawks and eagles, have a much larger and stronger grasping claw. Sometimes the Turkey Vulture takes the blame for the Black Vulture's actions.
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3rd MAW
brother, I put 12 years USMC....1st, 2nd and 3rdMAW..also a short time in 4thMAW.:)
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Originally posted by SlapShot
It all depends upon what type of Vulture we classify ourselves ...
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The Black Vulture is often aggressive, can kill small animals, and will even attack horses, cows, and people.
Well there you go, horses=ponies...ie runstangs, that must be how it all started. Thanks for making sense of all the madness.
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Originally posted by teevin
3rd MAW brother, I put 12 years USMC....1st, 2nd and 3rdMAW..also a short time in 4thMAW.:)
<> Semper Fi
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Leave it be? Carry a grudge? You make it sound as if I started this thread.
As long as you consider yourself noble for acting stupid and criticize those that took advantage of it... I'll remind you exactly who is at fault in the situation.
It doesn't take any skill to shoot a plane sitting OTR. But it's still a kill. It does take a willfull act of idiocy to continually re-up (especially in a paper airplane).
Vulching occurs because people refuse to accept the futility of their actions because they somehow believe "nobility" is achieved by getting killed multiple times. I just find it funny that the guy that died 10 times in a row would ever call the guy that killed him 10 times skilless... especially after blowing a 200 yard 6 shot. I also find it funny that the guy that died 10 times in a row is the one who starts talking trash.
You show up to help at a field after every enemy you've seen for the last 30 minutes has either ran or suicided into a field thinking surely someone has to come up to defend it. When you get there there's just a single con that you dispatch... and who is persistantly trying to re-up.
I don't consider vulching a skill. I do believe that at times it can be hillarious. Especially when the person you are killing over and over gets pissed about it instead of just not re-upping. Then they keep starting really stupid threads on the subject and trying to attatch some kind of honor to either aspect of the scenario. Yep... that's pretty damn funny.
MiniD
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damn, what's wrong with you Mini D??? Upping from a heavily attacked field is indeed a very noble endeavor. Multiple attempts to get airborn under extreme odds is the stuff of ballads. Ignore the man behind the curtain.
;)
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Neither it's gambling based upon luck and not skill. You either win and get a kill, lose and die from killshooter, or get your kill stolen by someone luckier.
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SlapShot, excellent insight into vultures. I was not aware that any vulture, i.e., the black vulture, is that aggressive and goes after live targets as well as dead ones.
I should have done better homework. You have corrected my misperception and rendered this thread moot.
Thanks for the information, and happy vulching to us all.
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:o and once again hear the post is a moot point whwew:D
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I prefer to think of vulching as the epitome of the Darwinian System.
Anyone taking off from a capped field, getting killed, as especially beetching about it, deserves to die.
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Originally posted by Drunky
I prefer to think of vulching as the epitome of the Darwinian System.
Anyone taking off from a capped field, getting killed, as especially beetching about it, deserves to die.
Couldn't agree more. It doesn't take much to walk to out of the tower then press F8 and look to the sky.
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;) sure and be whosis:rolleyes: and just what would a fine Gentleman be doin starin up at the sky?:cool:
Unless we have a deep rooted patriotic desire to die for our field and our flight sim it would behoov us muchly to roll from another field:eek: THough Im sure there are those among the population that wish to die, yet find the RW scenario far too messy and complicated so here throw themselves into the fray and since we get lives eternal turn around and complain about the way in which they were dispatched.:lol
Let them, why not, they have but millions of lives to give for their Country:rofl
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Fankly, I think that the MA is like some sort of Darwinian experiment.
The top predators already know everything that works and use it, while others learn what works for them. These others are what one would describe as neitch predators. Their sucesses stem from a limited skill set that works only in certain, limited, situations. Since they are rewarded for their behavior(perk points) and there is no negative impact to them if they fail to make a kill. Unfortunately there is also no impitus to further learn other skills to become one of the top predators. They have a skill that gets consistant results for them so that there is no reason to go through the frustration of learning new skills, and failing to make consistant kills while learning them.
And finally their is prey. Prey has no predatory skill what so ever, and if they do mannage to make a kill it can mainly be ascribed to LUCK rather any skill, learned or otherwise. Any attempt at learning is almost negated by the fact that there are no negative concequences for failure, death. They just "up" again, and again, ad nauseum, untill they learn a skill that will get them consistant results. They then fall into the catagory of the neitch predator.
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i enjoy vulching, chute killing, kill stealing and Ho'ing. They are just so fun on so many levels!
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Gentlemen,
I am appalled at the lack of understanding on this matter. The term "vulching" has been used and applied wrong. The proper explanation of the activities we imply to be associating ourselves with is as follows:
Alt Suppression
There is a fine art to the setup and completion of this strategic exercise. :D
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a reasonable and EXCELLENT daffy-ni-tion duly applied:D :rofl
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I have to agree with the Darwinian view. There is an old saying..."Being vulched is Mother Nature's way of telling you...YOU ARE STUPID!!!". :D
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
I have to agree with the Darwinian view. There is an old saying..."Being vulched is Mother Nature's way of telling you...YOU ARE STUPID!!!". :D
YUP:lol
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You got way too much time on your hands Halo. :p
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
I have to agree with the Darwinian view. There is an old saying..."Being vulched is Mother Nature's way of telling you...YOU ARE STUPID!!!". :D
That is correct, unfortunately there is no downside for, "Being stupid." The nOOb will just up again, no painful lesson that action is going to cost you, is present. Maybe a -.1 perk cost for geting killed.
"Golly! This base is being attacked." says the NooB.
"But last time I tried to fly from a base that was being attacked, I lost a whole perk point. It took me three days to get that perk point. Let me find a base that isn't being attacked, close by, and fly back here and defend this base.":p :rolleyes:
It will never happen. Yet another opportunity for growth wasted. Frankly I think that if it was implemented the TA would see a tremendous surge in numbers, People might actually learn some SA, ACM, and how to get their gear up:p, and the quallity of the people in the MA would go up.
Those Newbie score prostitutes don't want a negative score, it might ruin their l337 reputation to be OWNED!:lol
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:) Of course I have " way too much time on my hands" I'm retired:) Love every minute of it oh yeah:lol
ScoreZZZ:rofl I dont have one.I'm way too new, way too:o ,way too:confused: ,and way too:rofl ,to even think about scoreZZZ.
BUT, I would like one I guess. Just o I could say " Look at my score, it aint half bad". Well really I think I doo have one maybe 33 points? Playin in the TA ya know. Tried the DA yesterday against some REAL members :eek: that was a trip. Instantly paid my respects to THOSE fine Gentlemen, called em all by their FIRST names ( SIR ) and went humbly back to TA.
Have tried MA, twice, not too bad, managed to live, two out of 15 times.
I'll be back