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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ripsnort on September 22, 2003, 08:11:03 AM
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Amazing how many people crap in the dish that their food resides in....
SHEEN EMBRACED IN CANADA
Sun Sep 21 2003 23:31:42 ET
American actor and activist Martin Sheen had kind words for Canada when he received an award for being a Christian role model, the CANADIAN PRESS reports.
"Every time I cross this border I feel like I've left the land of lunatics," Sheen said Saturday, adding he was "proud" of Canada for not entering the Iraq war.
"You are not armed and dangerous. You do not shoot each other. I always feel a bit more human when I come here."
Sheen, who has been outspoken recently in his opposition the U.S.-led war in Iraq, was in Windsor to receive the Christian Culture Gold Medal from Assumption University.
The university will offer a new scholarship in his name.
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This has nothing to do with Canada, and everything to do with Chritianity. Sheen calls himself a devout Catholic, yet he thinks abortion is not a religious issue, and he is pro-choice. His real religion is liberalism, and for a religious organisation to award him a Christian Culture award is a sign of how Western churches have been taken over by lefties. No wonder so many churches are empty.
ra
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just another hollywood burn out ...
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No wonder so many churches are empty.
Probably more to do with the self-righteous blatherings of hopeless right-wingers combined with that huge blind eye turned toward the molestation of small boys.
Just guessing.
The skiing in Canada is supposed to be good. Will check it out one day.
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*Tosses Sheen onto the pile with Sean Penn and the Dixie Chicks*
I'm saving money by the minute here...
One less schmuck's DVD's I have reason not to purchase.
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Originally posted by Dowding
Probably more to do with the self-righteous blatherings of hopeless right-wingers combined with that huge blind eye turned toward the molestation of small boys.
Just guessing.
The skiing in Canada is supposed to be good. Will check it out one day.
If you are right, then these leftist churches should start filling up with worshippers.
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So we're the land of lunatics...funny he looked a bit looney to me when he preached the anti-war stuff a few months back.
But hey, my offer to help Cher move is still open...she seems to have changed her promise sometime after the election results came out :rofl
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Wish he would demonstrate by putting the duct tape on his mouth again. And just leave it there...
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Some would argue that it's better to critizise and try to improve than to just go along or flee the troubles alltogether.
On a sidenote: I find it rather sad when people cannot distinguish between a piece of work and the political conviction of the one doing it. I try to judge something on its own merits.
I hate communism with a passion, yet I find the Russian/Soviet anthems very much to my liking. I hate nazis but think the 190 series is the most beautiful airplanes produced. I disagree vehemently with the late author Hans Kirch but like some of his works.
Labelling people is a cop-out used when one doesn't wish to use ones brain. IMHO.
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Originally posted by StSanta
On a sidenote: I find it rather sad when people cannot distinguish between a piece of work and the political conviction of the one doing it. I try to judge something on its own merits.
I likewise find it sad when people with artful talent use that as a vehicle to push their political messages.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
I likewise find it sad when people with artful talent use that as a vehicle to push their political messages.
And I'll make it known through my purchases exactly how I feel about being referred to by Mr. Sheen as a "Lunatic".
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Boycott Hollyweird.
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Originally posted by Dowding
Probably more to do with the self-righteous blatherings of hopeless right-wingers combined with that huge blind eye turned toward the molestation of small boys.
Just guessing.
The skiing in Canada is supposed to be good. Will check it out one day.
Maybe you'll see Martin on the slopes, eh. ;)
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Boycott Hollyweird.
I basically have(with the exception of a few actors, like Mel Gibson) With the exception of kids movies, I don't go to them, and I sure as hell don't a DVD collection.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Boycott Hollyweird.
Hehehe, that's a good one.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
I likewise find it sad when people with artful talent use that as a vehicle to push their political messages.
Except when you support that particular political view, eh? :)
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Originally posted by StSanta
Except when you support that particular political view, eh? :)
Nope. Gibson isn't an attention potato like most hollywood liberals.
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Originally posted by StSanta
On a sidenote: I find it rather sad when people cannot distinguish between a piece of work and the political conviction of the one doing it. I try to judge something on its own merits.
Perhaps you are misjuding. I can easily distinguish between "a piece of work" and the character of the creator of that work. However, I find the character of the person to be more important than their work. If I find their character to be reprehensible then I won't support them, as is my right.
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Originally posted by AKIron
Perhaps you are misjuding. I can easily distinguish between "a piece of work" and the character of the creator of that work. However, I find the character of the person to be more important than their work. If I find their character to be reprehensible then I won't support them, as is my right.
The only support I can think of for Mr. Sheen is of the athletic variety donned upon his face.
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We should listen to Martin Sheen. After all... he plays the President on T.V.
It reminds me of a quote I heard when the movie "S.W.A.T." was released.
" received two weeks of intense S.W.A.T. training and became experts in S.W.A.T. tactics."
MiniD
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P.S. St. Santa's love for the 190 proves he's a nazi.
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Torque.... where have you been.... hows my favorite Canadian carpenter...... the expert flying the big blue.....
Doc..... Maddog
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I always feel a bit more human when I come here.
I guess "here" didnt include downtown Vancouver.... Hell even the worst San Francisco homeless drunks arent as bad as the guys I ran into, and of course then there were the dirty homeless street kids burning plies of paper on the sidewalk to keep warm, the car theft warnings everywhere and of course the throngs of prostitutes... This was in the heart of Vancouver just by the city's finest hotels and restaurants. The outright poverty and especially the homeless kids surprised given the bombastic lunatic rantings of left wing Canadians on this BBS about their superior health ande social support systems..
But I bet most countries are very nice when you see them through the tinted window of a limousine or from a high penthouse suite.
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Originally posted by muckmaw
*Tosses Sheen onto the pile with Sean Penn and the Dixie Chicks*
I'm saving money by the minute here...
One less schmuck's DVD's I have reason not to purchase.
you mean tosses him on the pile of people who dont agree with your every opinion...land of the free my arse...what happened to freedom to express your opinion without fear...
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Originally posted by vorticon
you mean tosses him on the pile of people who dont agree with your every opinion...land of the free my arse...what happened to freedom to express your opinion without fear...
Fear of what? Why do you lefties put such an ominous spin "fear" when somebody disagrees with you?
Or are you saying we dont have the right to express our own feelings by choosing not to purchase certain goods?
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I guess "here" didnt include downtown Vancouver.... Hell even the worst San Francisco homeless drunks arent as bad as the guys I ran into, and of course then there were the dirty homeless street kids burning plies of paper on the sidewalk to keep warm, the car theft warnings everywhere and of course the throngs of prostitutes... This was in the heart of Vancouver just by the city's finest hotels and restaurants. The outright poverty and especially the homeless kids surprised given the bombastic lunatic rantings of left wing Canadians on this BBS about their superior health ande social support systems..
But I bet most countries are very nice when you see them through the tinted window of a limousine or from a high penthouse suite.
I was wondering when your post-report of Vancouver was gonna hit the BBS. :) (You also forgot to tell LePaul how nice my garage really is with carpeting! :D )
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Originally posted by vorticon
you mean tosses him on the pile of people who dont agree with your every opinion...land of the free my arse...what happened to freedom to express your opinion without fear...
A few patriots not buying his DVDs and expressing distaste for his statements is somehow restricting his freedom of expression? What about our freedom of expression? What are you smoking, I want some!
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Edit: I thought Vorticon was replying to me when he was replying to Grunherz. I R TARD.
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Sorry Funked, you don't get to have freedom of expression...unless you agree with the other guy's views. If you attempt to disagree with him, then you are a nazi and you hate the US.
BTW...I could give a flying poop what the political views are of the people who either make or participate in the entertainment piece that I purchase. Whether it's a movie or an album, if I like it, I'll buy it regardless of who's in it.
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Originally posted by SOB
Sorry Funked, you don't get to have freedom of expression...unless you agree with the other guy's views. If you attempt to disagree with him, then you are a nazi and you hate the US.
BTW...I could give a flying poop what the political views are of the people who either make or participate in the entertainment piece that I purchase. Whether it's a movie or an album, if I like it, I'll buy it regardless of who's in it.
{Clicks heels, 's to SOB}
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Originally posted by vorticon
you mean tosses him on the pile of people who dont agree with your every opinion...land of the free my arse...what happened to freedom to express your opinion without fear...
Freedom from accepting responsibility for your publicy stated position, or at least living with the consquences? Hope it never happens.
Sheens comments weren't aimed at influencing anyone to change their political position. He was only showing his contempt of the people that made him wealthy and gave him the liberty to speak his mind so publicly.
But hey, it is his right. Just as it is mine to fart in his exact direction.
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So it's OK for Vorticon to express his opinion about our statements, but NOT OK for us to express our opinion about ole Marty's statements. I understand now. :D
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Originally posted by vorticon
you can disagree with his opinions but you cant condemn him for it
Define "condemn". It sure looks to me like you are trying to restrict our freedom of expression. :)
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con·demn
con·demn (k?n-dem?) verb, transitive
con·demned, con·demn·ing, con·demns
1. To express strong disapproval of
2. To pronounce judgment against; sentence.
3. To judge or declare to be unfit for use or consumption, usually by official order: condemn an old building.
4. Law. To appropriate (property) for public use.
Excerpted from The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition Copyright © 1992 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Electronic version licensed from Lernout & Hauspie Speech Products N.V., further reproduction and distribution restricted in accordance with the Copyright Law of the United States. All rights reserved.
you can disagree with him and express it but you can't put a figurative bullet through his head for it...
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To express strong disapproval of
So you are indeed trying to restrict our freedom of expression. How Fascist of you. :)
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Originally posted by vorticon
nope...just saying you shouldent do it on a basis of there opinion...simple as that
Why not? Why should you buy, as in give your money to, a movie or song by an artist you dislike?
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Sounds like Sheen was pretty condemning towards me and my ilk. Unless he meant "land of lunatics" in an endearing sort of way.
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Canada fckin sucks!!!!!! Care to buy a CD recording of that from me?
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
I was wondering when your post-report of Vancouver was gonna hit the BBS. :) (You also forgot to tell LePaul how nice my garage really is with carpeting! :D )
LOL..
It dawned on me that Canada wasnt worth typing the whole thing up for - but of course I'll rewmember everything and if need be I will put it to good use. :)
The carpet is very nice and rich - good quality stuff. :D
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BTW...I could give a flying poop what the political views are of the people who either make or participate in the entertainment piece that I purchase. Whether it's a movie or an album, if I like it, I'll buy it regardless of who's in it.
I would like to say, "Same Here" but for some reason I find Tom Cruise and John Travolta's participation in the Scientology cult taints my desire to see their work. And with Cruise, his one demensional talent plays a role as well :)
Charon
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Yes it's great entertainment watching you contradict yourself repeatedly. :)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
I was wondering when your post-report of Vancouver was gonna hit the BBS. :) (You also forgot to tell LePaul how nice my garage really is with carpeting! :D )
LOL.....oh geez....lemme guess, Oriental Throw Rugs in the shed?
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Originally posted by vorticon
you can disagree with his opinions but you cant condemn him for it
says who?
you?
hah.
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oh ok! Then please, show me this law that dictates what I decide what to do with my money and who I choose to entertain me.
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LOL, this is great...by Vort's logic, perhaps Asscroft can start wasting more money on pointless prosecutions. You could just have a questionaire at the local Walmart.
Please answer the following question truthfully and to the best of your ability:
I chose not to buy the latest DVD with Martin Sheen or the first season of The West Wing on DVD because...
a. I don't particularly care for Martin Sheen's acting,
b. I just don't like the concept of any of his movies or of The West Wing
c. I don't agree with his political views, so I am boycotting products he is involved with
d. other, please specify: _____________________________ _
Anyone answering "C" to this question could be taken into custody by local law enforcement, then prosecuted on charges of Violation of Civil Rights against Martin Sheen. Get these filthy civil rights violators off the streets NOW!
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afterall, it's his RIGHT to become rich and famous.
wait a second, where's mine?!
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LOL.. which rock have you guys been living under? Sheen's been an outspoken liberal since you were knee high to Ripsnort's spinner wheel covers.
Nothing new here... move along.
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Funny thing is I only see one person in this thread trying to restrict freedom of expression.
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great the way that the 1 person who was "against" it was the one who was arguing FOR it...
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Canada ***** sucks!!!!!! Care to buy a CD recording of that from me?
So Grun, you've been to Vancouver, oops I mean Canada. Saw one thing and judged the whole country eh? I bet ya you're from Roundup Montana and made Vancouver your first road trip!
I've been to Seattle, Wenatchee, Spokanne, Everett and Tacoma just to name a few. Funny how they look alot like Vancouver but most of the places are a quarter the size. More soup kitchens, poverty and despare in those cities alone than the whole of Canada..... I'll give you a recording of that at no charge!
BTW, I don't know Travis and Joe.:rolleyes:
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oh yeah, the "West Wing" sucks
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Originally posted by MotorOil
I've been to Seattle, Wenatchee, Spokanne, Everett and Tacoma just to name a few. Funny how they look alot like Vancouver but most of the places are a quarter the size. More soup kitchens, poverty and despare in those cities alone than the whole of Canada..... I'll give you a recording of that at no charge!
Yea but tose US cities have evil US style capitalism without the massive spending on social programs as celebrated by you Canadians - whats the excuse for the travesty that Vancouver is?
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Yea but tose US cities have evil US style capitalism without the massive spending on social programs as celebrated by you Canadians - whats the excuse for the travesty that Vancouver is?
Drugs....
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Plenty of drugs in the USA...
But then the real question is why so many extreme drug users in the socialist caring humane happy happy wonderland that Canada is supposed to be
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Plenty of drugs in the USA...
But then the real question is why so many extreme drug users in the socialist caring humane happy happy wonderland that Canada is supposed to be
Maybe because they arent all in jail learning how to be better drug users and criminals?
Really GRUN, i'm sorry that you didnt have the best of experiences while in Vancouver (arguably the butthole of the entire country and certainly of the western part of the country,) but there are alot of nice places in Canada as there is in the US.
To label a nation based on the underbelly of its society is not really fair. Im sure even you can agree with that.
As for some self-serving pompous tard from hollywood praising Canada (and dumping on the US) because of his freedom to be an idiot, no one here cares. Except for a small group of banner carrying, sign holding, welfare cheque collecting, self proclaimed activists, nobody here would give Mr. Sheen the time of day.
And my excuse for Vancouver? Same excuse, or rather explanation for the problems with having too many rats in one cage.
btw, What I have said about Vancouver means no disrespect to any AH player who lives in Vancouver.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
LOL.. which rock have you guys been living under? Sheen's been an outspoken liberal since you were knee high to Ripsnort's spinner wheel covers.
Nothing new here... move along.
Yeah, no kidding. Grass green, sky blue; film at 11.
At least this time someone tried to make things interesting by claiming the churches have become leftist enclaves. :rofl
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And all this time you guys were trying to tell me that there was a difference between outspoken liberalism and blatant anti-Americanism.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
And all this time you guys were trying to tell me that there was a difference between outspoken liberalism and blatant anti-Americanism.
I agree with funked, the concept of having a opinion and being outspoken about it is anti-American! :mad:
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Plenty of drugs in the USA...
But then the real question is why so many extreme drug users in the socialist caring humane happy happy wonderland that Canada is supposed to be
Not sure, it's actually a valid question. As you have pointed out numerous times that the Government of Canada is very Liberal in its beliefs and policies, it is a wonder that there are so many problems in some of our major cities. Just the other day the city of Vancouver opened the first ever "safe" injection site in Canada for users of illegal drugs, I guess they are trying to stop the spread of HIV and Hep C. Our Government is also "toying" with the idea of decriminalizing possession of small amounts of marijuana, instead of a Criminal record a fine is issued.
I don't always agree with the actions and policies of our Federal Government, unfortunately it is decided in Eastern Canada who will lead our country each election. This is due to the fact that the majority of our population lives in Ontario and Quebec. But, having served on a Peacekeeping mission in the Balkans (2002) I can tell you that Canada is a pretty nice place to live, we may have disagreements with our fellow Canadians from time to time, we may not always agree with our neighbors to the south over many issues but in the end we are ready to come to their defense and support them. Our current Government did not get on board with the USA and Great Briton in regards to Iraq, a situation in which many Western Canadians are deeply ashamed of, but it was a decision that the Federal Government made and we are stuck with it.
Our military is woefully under funded and under staffed, however they did serve along side our NATO allies in Korea, Somalia, the Balkans, Afghanistan (where a sniper from one of the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry made a record break shot while serving with American Special Forces) and many other missions. When 9/11 happened we mourned the losses of the citizens of the USA and opened our airports and homes to travelers that were refused entry into American Airspace. These are little things in the big scheme of things, I am sure you will call "puny" in comparison to some of the things the USA has been involved in, but there is a long history of mutual support between our two countries. We have never claimed to be a world power, but we try to do our part in Peace Keeping endeavors. When I was in the Balkans I served with many outstanding Americans, Brits, Germans and so on, politics was not an issue as we were there for the same reason, we all wanted to make a difference in the lives of people affected by a devastating internal conflict. Did we make a difference? Maybe, maybe not a big difference but in a small way we were able to improve the lives of a some.
Grunherz, I do not know you and I don't know your history and background. I don't know what your perception is of Canada, other then an obvious dislike, or what caused this but to make a blanket statement like "Canada ******* Sucks" would be like me assuming that you are typical of all Americans. I have great respect for the USA and its citizens and appreciate the sacrifices they have made in the war against terrorism.
No country is perfect and we are always looking to make life better for ourselves and those around us. Your willing to let us keep Sheen, okay we can do that, but you have to keep Celine Dion
:D
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Originally posted by Thrawn
I agree with funked, the concept of having a opinion and being outspoken about it is anti-American! :mad:
No Thrawn, what was anti-American was calling Americans "lunatics" and "armed and dangerous", which is what the whole thread is about in case you didn't notice.
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Nice driveby attempt though. :D
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nicely said, ripper god bless your country some americans have much longer memories than the rabble who spoke before.
pissant conservatives. man can say what he wants stop whineing.
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He can say whatever he likes. And what he says directly influence my spending habits...
Hmmm..Apocolypse now Redux for 2 friends this Christmas...NOPE..off the list.
Lemme see here..Oh the West Wing is on...Oh well, D-Wings is better.
He can say what he wants, and I can spend how I want. I hope the canucks will support his arnold, but the lunatics like me are sick of him.
shreck YOU, MARTY!
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wow, lotsa hosers here , eh?...time for some beers , eh?
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Nice driveby attempt though. :D
vvvvrrrrooNAZI!!!ooOMMMM!
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Shouldn't an envirolooney like you be pedaling a bike? :D
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Originally posted by vorticon
you mean tosses him on the pile of people who dont agree with your every opinion...land of the free my arse...what happened to freedom to express your opinion without fear...
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Originally posted by vorticon
con·demn
con·demn (k?n-dem?) verb, transitive
con·demned, con·demn·ing, con·demns
1. To express strong disapproval of
2. To pronounce judgment against; sentence.
3. To judge or declare to be unfit for use or consumption, usually by official order: condemn an old building.
4. Law. To appropriate (property) for public use.
Excerpted from The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition Copyright © 1992 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Electronic version licensed from Lernout & Hauspie Speech Products N.V., further reproduction and distribution restricted in accordance with the Copyright Law of the United States. All rights reserved.
you can disagree with him and express it but you can't put a figurative bullet through his head for it...
Cod, I always LOVE the interpretation folks that live outside the US give to "Free Speech".
Cripes, I bet if you were near TJ's or John Adams' or Ben Franklin's graves you could hear muffled guffaws.
Well, at least Vort would probably "give" us the "freedom" to AGREE with everyone, no matter what idiocies they prounounce.
One more time, for game, set and match.....
Freedom speech is focused on anyone's right to disagree.
Think about it for just a tiny second... did the founder's really think you needed to Constitutionally ensure the right to AGREE with another individual or the "government"?
:rofl
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Originally posted by vorticon
great the way that the 1 person who was "against" it was the one who was arguing FOR it...
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That you would delete all of your posts says a lot about their content. What a tool.
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Originally posted by loser
Maybe because they arent all in jail learning how to be better drug users and criminals?
Really GRUN, i'm sorry that you didnt have the best of experiences while in Vancouver (arguably the butthole of the entire country and certainly of the western part of the country,) but there are alot of nice places in Canada as there is in the US.
To label a nation based on the underbelly of its society is not really fair. Im sure even you can agree with that.
As for some self-serving pompous tard from hollywood praising Canada (and dumping on the US) because of his freedom to be an idiot, no one here cares. Except for a small group of banner carrying, sign holding, welfare cheque collecting, self proclaimed activists, nobody here would give Mr. Sheen the time of day.
And my excuse for Vancouver? Same excuse, or rather explanation for the problems with having too many rats in one cage.
btw, What I have said about Vancouver means no disrespect to any AH player who lives in Vancouver.
Nice post! :)
I agree with what you said, I just think it was fortunate that I did end up in Vancouver so at least I could experience that Canada isnt some wonderland like some of the more exhuberant left wingers, in the USA or Canada, claim it is compared to the USA. I certainly had positive experiences too.
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Originally posted by Ripper29
Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Plenty of drugs in the USA...
But then the real question is why so many extreme drug users in the socialist caring humane happy happy wonderland that Canada is supposed to be
Not sure, it's actually a valid question. As you have pointed out numerous times that the Government of Canada is very Liberal in its beliefs and policies, it is a wonder that there are so many problems in some of our major cities. Just the other day the city of Vancouver opened the first ever "safe" injection site in Canada for users of" with the idea of decriminalizing possession of small amounts of illegal drugs, I guess they are trying to stop the spread of HIV and Hep C. Our Government is also "toying marijuana, instead of a Criminal record a fine is issued.
I don't always agree with the actions and policies of our Federal Government, unfortunately it is decided in Eastern Canada who will lead our country each election. This is due to the fact that the majority of our population lives in Ontario and Quebec. But, having served on a Peacekeeping mission in the Balkans (2002) I can tell you that Canada is a pretty nice place to live, we may have disagreements with our fellow Canadians from time to time, we may not always agree with our neighbors to the south over many issues but in the end we are ready to come to their defense and support them. Our current Government did not get on board with the USA and Great Briton in regards to Iraq, a situation in which many Western Canadians are deeply ashamed of, but it was a decision that the Federal Government made and we are stuck with it.
Our military is woefully under funded and under staffed, however they did serve along side our NATO allies in Korea, Somalia, the Balkans, Afghanistan (where a sniper from one of the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry made a record break shot while serving with American Special Forces) and many other missions. When 9/11 happened we mourned the losses of the citizens of the USA and opened our airports and homes to travelers that were refused " in comparison to some of the things the USA has been involventry into American Airspace. These are little things in the big scheme of things, I am sure you will call "punyed in, but there is a long history of mutual support between our two countries. We have never claimed to be a world power, but we try to do our part in Peace Keeping endeavors. When I was in the Balkans I served with many outstanding Americans, Brits, Germans and so on, politics was not an issue as we were there for the same reason, we all wanted to make a difference in the lives of people affected by a devastating internal conflict. Did we make a difference? Maybe, maybe not a big difference but in a small way we were able to improve the lives of a some.
Grunherz, I do not know you and I don't know your history and background. I don't know what your perception is of Canada, other then an obvious dislike, or what caused this but to make a blanket statement like "Canada ******* Sucks" would be like me assuming that you are typical of all Americans. I have great respect for the USA and its citizens and appreciate the sacrifices they have made in the war against terrorism.
No country is perfect and we are always looking to make life better for ourselves and those around us. Your willing to let us keep Sheen, okay we can do that, but you have to keep Celine Dion
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Oh the blanket negative stement was meant to mirror sheen's statement about the USA. Thats why asked if anyone wanted to buy a CD from me saying that - by vorticon's reasoning you should all have been ordering them regardless of the fact I bashed your home.
One of the things I did learn about Canada during my stay is that there is some voice of dissent towards Canada's left wing cowardly defense policies by recent government's including criticism of the embarassingly low military funding and general weakness abroad as well as hiding behind the UN. Also there seem to be people who are against Canada's shift away from the USA.
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Yep GRUNHERZ, I can gaurantee that "there is some voice of dissent against Canada's left wing cowardly defence policies"
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I am retired Canadian Airforce and can "guarandamntee", that the position of the average Canadian is in support of the military.
What they are not in support of is the $$ it takes to run it.
This is an unfortunate (to say the least) way to think.
My Brothers in arms have less to work with than I did, and I had basically nothing.
I agree with the US foreign policies in general, and wish that Canada was able to provide more support.
However, I would ask you to recognize the contributions we do make.
We were there during the Gulf war.
My nephew is now in Afghanistan.
My Sqn was a participant in Quatar (Gulf War)
My Grandfather had 2 ships sunk underneath him. (WW1 and WWII)
Between my Brother, Father and Myself we have 60 years of Military service.
Enough Military history.
I am sorry that you saw the "seedier" side of one of our cities.
Vancouver is indeed a melting pot.
But..Much like the US,(and I have spent a great deal of time there)
Canada is not untouched by crime.
Do I think that we are "better" than the United States?
NO, and I applaud your patriotism.
Allow we Canadians the same.
I have always thought that I could count on any US citizen as my brother (we are so similar it's scary).
In Short GRUNHERZ..no offence meant, and give your experience a bit of a think. (We ain't all bad.....and we got cute sheep!)
Cheers GRUNHERZ, you have a standing invite to visit Edmonton, Alberta any time you wish (just bring scotch).
RTR
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RTR, can't help but notice your "Red Indian" avatar.
My dad served with the 441 and the 429 overseas from '79 to '84. Were you in the military back then?
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big cities and governments are the problem. Canada has less big cities so less problem... Canada has more government so more problem. I would rather just live in smaller cities in the U.S. If nothing else.... it's warmer.
lazs
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Originally posted by Thrawn
RTR, can't help but notice your "Red Indian" avatar.
My dad served with the 441 and the 429 overseas from '79 to '84. Were you in the military back then?
Now Thrawn, if you were a true "American liberal" like you play on the BBS, you'd find that Indian Head icon offensive and in disgrace of North American Indian tribes....:lol
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How would you like to live in Windsor and drive across the bridge to the US. The very first city you would see is DETROIT !!!
Sorta like leaving beaver cleaver land and ending up in hell :)
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Originally posted by Krusher
How would you like to live in Windsor and drive across the bridge to the US. The very first city you would see is DETROIT !!!
Sorta like leaving beaver cleaver land and ending up in hell :)
So true but shhhh.... don't tell anyone. ;)
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Originally posted by Krusher
How would you like to live in Windsor and drive across the bridge to the US. The very first city you would see is DETROIT !!!
Sorta like leaving beaver cleaver land and ending up in hell :)
LOL, like night and day. Fine example.
I won't make excuses for Vancouver but there are some nice locals in that city. Likewise there are some gorgeous locations in the US. Grun I do encourage you to come to visit a little more of the country before hating it. You can't judge a book by it's cover.
As for Mr. Sheen, I think he was simply generalizing the situation in the US and the way of life. Canada is not like the US in many ways and foreign policy is hugely different. Just because the US does not abide UN does not mean for a second Canada is hiding behind it. The US has a shoot first ask questions later policy and the US is living in fear right now. You have a greater chance of being shot and killed in Texas than being killed in a car accident. I'm sure Sheen was glad to be home but rather opened his mouth in front of the media just a little too wide!
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Originally posted by MotorOil
You have a greater chance of being shot and killed in Texas than being killed in a car accident. I'm sure Sheen was glad to be home but rather opened his mouth in front of the media just a little too wide!
He isn't the only one with his foot in his mouth. Where'd you get the numbers you referenced for Texas? This report is a few years old but I'm betting the numbers haven't changed as dramatically as you've stated.
http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/StateProfiles/sip_tx.pdf
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Originally posted by MotorOil
. The US has a shoot first ask questions later policy and the US is living in fear right now.
I sure wish this message would get out to more people in the world, then maybe they wouldn't be trying to enter our country in droves.
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They have a higher death rate by shooting in Texas than by automobile? I seriously doubt that.
I guess if you were shot at as many times as martin sheen has been then you would have the right to feel frightened. How many times was that again? I mean he's what? 70 or 80 and has been shot at how many times?
lazs
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yes Thrawn...I was in from 1980 till 1995.
Served with 421 tactical fighter sqn in Germany and 410 sqn in cold lake.
Would go back to either in a heartbeat.
And yep, my avatar is a rendition of 421 sqn nose art from WWII.
(also the nose art for my squadron here).
What is your Dads name, maybe I know him?
cheers,
RTR
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Originally posted by AKIron
He isn't the only one with his foot in his mouth. Where'd you get the numbers you referenced for Texas? This report is a few years old but I'm betting the numbers haven't changed as dramatically as you've stated.
Sorry data I was referring to was older, I've never bothered to update my trivial knowledge on the subject. It’s just mind-boggling that at any time in recent history this could be possible. So, I'll rephrase what I've stated before. Texas has always had a reputation for a lot of guns per capita and has had a history of more deaths to gunshots than in car accidents.
http://www.cdc.gov/epo/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00016346.htm
Other sources are listed on the site. Glad to see the state has cleaned up AK. Or has the driving just gotten worse?
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Well, nearly half of the firearm related deaths were and are suicides. Are you really gonna count those? If they hadn't had guns they probably would found another way to commit suicide with little difficulty.
I believe the homicide rate has diminsihed in Texas as a result of making the concealed weapon permit readily available to citizens without a criminal record.
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Originally posted by RTR
What is your Dads name, maybe I know him?
cheers,
RTR [/B]
He was corporal, David A Walls. I'm not sure if he made master corporal overseas. He joined up back in '65 I think, last year Canada was still flying Lancasters anyway. He got out in '88 I believe, he received his orders to report to officer training school, but decide to retire and stay in Ottawa instead. We lived in "Bridge" Q's in Weitenung.
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so... what is the gun related homicide rate in Texas? I can't imagine it being even a quarter of the auto death rate. I like guns and hot rods and Texas has a lot of both.
been to vancouuver a lot. my brother lives there. it is a **** hole. a very wet and cold **** hole to boot. Now that it is becoming more "diverse"... it is a dangerous, wet, cold ****hole. Drugs and unemployment and people who don't all speak the same language all in a large city make for a ****hole.
lazs
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lazs, we both posted links to numbers detailing the rates from about 1970 to 1998. You too lazy to click? :p
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What the heck, here are some numbers:
Texas '96-'98
MV related fatalities: 11,232
Firearm suicide: 4,175
Firearm homicide and legal intervention: 2,998
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So it looks like there are 4 times as many automobile deaths as there are firearms homicides?
lazs
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and... so a guy robs a store say... and, during the commission, he shoots a citizen and someone shoots him. both die... is that recorded as one homicide or two?
lazs
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Yep, however, the numbers from 1970-1990 have a higher ratio of firearm to mv fatalities. Good argument for the concealed weapon permit imo.
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Originally posted by lazs2
and... so a guy robs a store say... and, during the commission, he shoots a citizen and someone shoots him. both die... is that recorded as one homicide or two?
lazs
They both fall into the cartegory of: Homicide and legal intervention.
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so... if the robber is shot before he can kill anyone it is only one hommicide but if he kills 4 people because no one has a gun then it is four homicides?
lazs
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If the robber is shot before he kills anyone it is legal intervention not homicide, unless his buddy is pissed 'cause he ate the last tic tac and blows him away during the robbery.
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Cripes, you folks from Texas are freaks.
We lived in "Bridge" Q's in Weitenung
Cool, my old man was a gunner with 1RCHA in Lahr in the late 1970's. My wife's dad served with the service battallion that was over there with the Brigade, and combined we know a TON of people who have grown up as "army brats" on bases in West Germany ;)
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Texas sounds more attractive to me every day.
lazs
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The summers here are too damn hot Lazs.
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I live in the Sacramento valley... it has been known to get hot here.
lazs
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Well come on over then. Don't want ya disappointed though, this ain't the old south, where women knew their place. ;)
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Originally posted by lazs2
Texas sounds more attractive to me every day.
lazs
Lazs....
I used to live south of Austin outside of a small town named Buda(sounds like beauta) Texas.....central Texas is the place to go....white water rivers, hills(big ones) great people and of course my favorite...piss on everyone else, this is Texas kinda attitude.
If things went to hell in a hand basket, I'de have my family in Texas in a New York minute....feels safe there:)
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"Bridge Q's in Weitenung"
LOL no chit.
We lived in Weitenung. IN the Q's on Kanadastrasse.
I used to go almost every wednesday evening to the local Gasthause and drink beer and play chess against the locals.
Wish I could remember actually winning a game or two.
Sure do miss Germany.
was a great experience.
RTR
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Originally posted by RTR
"Bridge Q's in Weitenung"
LOL no chit.
We lived in Weitenung. IN the Q's on Kanadastrasse.
Heheh, same. We where in the appartments (appartment building 54, I believe) that were across from the playground, top floor. Our balcony overlooked Kanadastrasse and we could see that castle up on the hill, in the schwartzvald, from it.
I used to go almost every wednesday evening to the local Gasthause and drink beer and play chess against the locals.
Wish I could remember actually winning a game or two.
I only recall going to The Swan (I think that was the name) once, just before our friends the Banfields went back to Canada.
Sure do miss Germany.
was a great experience.
RTR
Absolutely! Great place to grow up as a kid. I miss it as well.
http://www.badenremembered.com/
Snowball! Snowball! Snowball! ;)