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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: gofaster on September 23, 2003, 12:36:45 PM
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Ever see the show "Wild On..." which features the hottest party spots in some of hottest party towns in the world? Its a pretty good show to watch while climbing out on the Friday night Squad Ops events. I turn down the tv volume and don't miss a thing - I listen to the AH radio transmissions while watching lots of good lookin' women in skimpy clothing bouncing and flaunting on the beach and in the clubs.
And to think some of those girls will be brain-dead too young in life...
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======From Yahoo Health News=======
UN Sounds Alarm Over 'Brain-Killing' Drugs
1 hour, 52 minutes ago
By James Crawford
ROME (Reuters) - Party drugs like Ecstasy and amphetamines have overtaken heroin and cocaine as the fastest-growing global narcotics menace, the United Nations said on Tuesday.
In a report unveiled in Italy, the U.N. Office on Drugs and Crime estimated more than 40 million people around the world had taken synthetic drugs in the last year, more than the combined number of cocaine and heroin users.
"These are terrifying narcotics because they are subtle -- they kill the brain rather than the heart," said Antonio Maria Costa, executive director of the Vienna-based body.
"I call these drugs the 'public enemy number one'...Youngsters just don't know the risks they run," he told Reuters in an interview.
Ecstasy abuse spiraled by 70 percent and amphetamines, such as speed, by 40 percent between 1995 and 2001. By contrast, cocaine and heroin abuse worldwide grew less than 1 percent each.
The Netherlands is the largest Ecstasy producer, accounting for 23 percent of laboratory seizures in 2000-2001, the report said. Abuse is highest in East and Southeast Asia, in countries such as Thailand, followed by Europe and Australia.
Costa said organized crime groups had flooded into the synthetic drugs industry, which is worth around $65 billion a year with profit margins upwards of 3,000 percent.
"Why buy cocaine from Colombia or heroin from Afghanistan and transport it via sea and air and across borders when you can just make synthetic drugs across the street?" he said.
DANGER BY STEALTH
The report showed that seizures of amphetamine-type stimulants had risen to 40 tons in 2000-2001 from four tons in 1990-1991. Costa said these were an accurate indicator of growing consumption, and blamed the rise on huge misconceptions about the risks of synthetic drugs.
Since the global anti-AIDS push of the 1990s, drug users have seen heroin as a dirty, dangerous narcotic and turned to "cleaner," synthetic options they think are safer, Costa said.
"The problem is that few people die from using synthetic drugs. There are no scary headlines of people dying of overdoses. Instead, there is a slow mental deterioration -- danger by stealth."
Amphetamines cause dependence and psychosis, while Ecstasy may speed up the aging process and the onset of Alzheimer-type symptoms, the organization said.
Costa said synthetic drugs were seen as an almost acceptable feature of a party culture.
"The setting isn't in the dark alleys and needles of heroin use, it's in the disco," he said.
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Back in the late 80's early 90's extacy was my thing. That and lsd. I did a LOT of both of them, usually in combination with each other. The last time I did extacy was in 92. We had a grand time. I ate 5.25 tabs over about a 8 hour period that night. That was about 1 tab more than I would normaly do.
The night of the trip was funny (we thought) All of us had the same thing happen over and over and over all night long. Somebody would be saying something and all of a sudden before the next word could get out of the mouth they'd forget what they were talking about. We'd laugh and after about 10 seconds somebody would ask "why are we laughing" and we'd all laugh more because we couldn't remember why we were laughing. This happened to everybody all night long. Well the next day I felt like total crap. This is normal after doing X, but this was different than normal. I still couldn't remember what I was talking about, only now it wasn't funny. That lasted for almost 2 weeks. And even after that I could tell the loss of brain power that had occurred, for years. Though it didn't keep me from a 4.0 in college :D
It's safe to say that I never felt like I did the day after that trip and the next 2 weeks. I just felt "off" mentally. That was until I had that xanax siezure last year. When I woke up from the siezure and throughout the 2 week of multiple withdrawls from xanax I realized that I felt just like I had after that X trip. Well there was a patient at rehab who was there for alcohol addiction. He just happened to be a tenurred professor at A and M here in Texas. Ironicly his field of study was drug addiction. He got to give large amounts of any and all drugs to his lab rats. So I asked him about the xanax and the X. I was astonished at what he told me.
Basicly I changed the physical make-up and chemical composition of my brain. I closed receptors on neurons and stuff like that (that's what lead to my siezure) The big difference was that the xanax acted much faster than the X, as in 2 months as apposed to 2 years to do the same changes in the brain. I believe they affected different receptors too.
I guess what I'm getting at is that these guys are right. X is a very dangerous stealth mind ****er. There are more dagerous and more addictive substances out there (I had no problem stopping X usage) but X is will get you in the end and turn your brain into mush, almost litteraly
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"The problem is that few people die from using synthetic drugs. There are no scary headlines of people dying of overdoses. Instead, there is a slow mental deterioration -- danger by stealth."
They'll always have a home...a vote...in the democratic party.
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>Back in the late 80's early 90's
OMG, thats like 10 years. Hope your doing better Udie.
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oh I forgot to add that it's been over 10 years since I did any psychadelics....
and I'm doing pretty kick arse right now MrCofee, thanks for asking :) Clean and mostly sober ;)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Were you ever tempted to cut your noodle and tongue off in the garden when "tripping"?
no but I did use them on several of my 'trips' :D
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Originally posted by Udie
no but I did use them on several of my 'trips' :D
Let me guess, for planting Tulips...:lol :rofl
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LOL! :lol :rofl
that poor kid though :(
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It will fry your brain, at least if you use it like Udie. I took at look at the subject after I was once tempted to try it and decided no. The problem with ecstacy is that it will lower the serotonin level in your brain and if you use it too often it will be depleted. It's not extremely harmless if used in reasonable amounts maybe once in 6 weeks, but the question is can you do it. Another thing is that you never know what your pill contains.
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Originally posted by mora
It will fry your brain, at least if you use it like Udie. I took at look at the subject after I was once tempted to try it and decided no. The problem with ecstacy is that it will lower the serotonin level in your brain and if you use it too often it will be depleted. It's not extremely harmless if used in reasonable amounts maybe once in 6 weeks, but the question is can you do it. Another thing is that you never know what your pill contains.
yup.
I did large ammounts of it every weekend for almost 2 years solid. Talk about a walking bag of depression/neurosis. Taking it once or twice a year I think would not be so bad. The thing is though, that stuff feels so good that you kind of want it more than that. That's the way it was for me, until I saw that it was hurting me (I was probably the last person to see that too :rolleyes: ) It wasn't physicaly addictive like coke, heroine or xanax (supposedly the most addictive drug on the planet - and I agree)
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shouldn't this tie into the "Legalize Drugs" thread?
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Eagler
shouldn't this tie into the "Legalize Drugs" thread?
:rolleyes:
It definately ties to it. The question is, is it better to lock these people up or use effective harm reduction to minimize it's harmful effects to society?
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Originally posted by mora
It definately ties to it. The question is, is it better to lock these people up or use effective harm reduction to minimize it's harmful effects to society?
LOL
so legalize and sell over the counter substances which kill your brain and are extremely addictive - are they legal over there all ready??
or this a "natural" vs "man-made" drug argument? :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Eagler
shouldn't this tie into the "Legalize Drugs" thread?
:rolleyes:
Right on.
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Didn't you suffer from sever depression awhile back.....to the point of contemplating suicide? Thats another effect of your illicit drug use.
Originally posted by Udie
Back in the late 80's early 90's extacy was my thing. That and lsd. I did a LOT of both of them, usually in combination with each other. The last time I did extacy was in 92. We had a grand time. I ate 5.25 tabs over about a 8 hour period that night. That was about 1 tab more than I would normaly do.
The night of the trip was funny (we thought) All of us had the same thing happen over and over and over all night long. Somebody would be saying something and all of a sudden before the next word could get out of the mouth they'd forget what they were talking about. We'd laugh and after about 10 seconds somebody would ask "why are we laughing" and we'd all laugh more because we couldn't remember why we were laughing. This happened to everybody all night long. Well the next day I felt like total crap. This is normal after doing X, but this was different than normal. I still couldn't remember what I was talking about, only now it wasn't funny. That lasted for almost 2 weeks. And even after that I could tell the loss of brain power that had occurred, for years. Though it didn't keep me from a 4.0 in college :D
It's safe to say that I never felt like I did the day after that trip and the next 2 weeks. I just felt "off" mentally. That was until I had that xanax siezure last year. When I woke up from the siezure and throughout the 2 week of multiple withdrawls from xanax I realized that I felt just like I had after that X trip. Well there was a patient at rehab who was there for alcohol addiction. He just happened to be a tenurred professor at A and M here in Texas. Ironicly his field of study was drug addiction. He got to give large amounts of any and all drugs to his lab rats. So I asked him about the xanax and the X. I was astonished at what he told me.
Basicly I changed the physical make-up and chemical composition of my brain. I closed receptors on neurons and stuff like that (that's what lead to my siezure) The big difference was that the xanax acted much faster than the X, as in 2 months as apposed to 2 years to do the same changes in the brain. I believe they affected different receptors too.
I guess what I'm getting at is that these guys are right. X is a very dangerous stealth mind ****er. There are more dagerous and more addictive substances out there (I had no problem stopping X usage) but X is will get you in the end and turn your brain into mush, almost litteraly
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Pfunk,
Yes, last year. But it didn't have anything to do with X, that was a decade ago. Most of my depression last year was good ole normal depression. Caused because I knew deep down inside that I wasn't living my life the way I should. That and the massive amount of valium that was given to me (and eaten by me) after I had surgery last summer. Thank God that depression ended last December. It was killing me, slowly, but it was getting faster. I don't think I'd be here right now had I not done the rehab thing.....
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Originally posted by Eagler
LOL
so legalize and sell over the counter substances which kill your brain and are extremely addictive - are they legal over there all ready??
or this a "natural" vs "man-made" drug argument? :rolleyes:
Putting words to my mouth, eh? I never said that it should be legalized and it's definately not legal here. And I don't see a difference between "natural" and man-made" drugs, there are many different drugs and they are harmful and addictive to different degrees. There are some pot-whackos who do believe so, and their narrow mindness is not unlike many of christian-whackos(or -whackos) over there.
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I'd be willing to bet that your use of X and LSD has alot more to do with it than you think.
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What causes some people
to feel depressed after
taking ecstasy?
It is believed that ecstasy can lead to
depression in some people.However,
the precise relation between ecstasy and
depression remains unclear.
Ecstasy results in the release of large
amounts of serotonin,a chemical in
the brain responsible for mood,which
causes the euphoria that is characteristic
of ecstasy use.One theory addressing
the relationship between ecstasy and
depression proposes that this artificial
release of serotonin reduces or depletes
the brain ’s normal supply of serotonin and
that it can take some time for this supply
to be replenished.
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Ecstasy use triggers deep depression
Just two tablets enough to cause long-term health problems, psychologists are told
Jo Revill, health editor
Sunday March 16, 2003
The Observer
Ecstasy, the so-called love drug taken by hundreds of thousands each weekend, can result in crippling depression after just a couple of tablets, a study revealed yesterday.
Experts warned that the changes to the brain brought about by the drug leave a legacy of long-term mental health problems, including memory loss and lack of concentration, although many young people still regard it as harmless.
Psychologists have found that even those who gave up taking the drug several years ago scored higher on a depression rating than people who had never taken it.
But for clubbers who are taking large number of tablets regularly, ecstasy actually appears to tip them into clinical depression, according to Dr Lynn Taurah, researcher at London Metropolitan University.
She looked at the habits of 221 young professionals and studied the differences between frequent and less frequent ecstasy users, also comparing them with former users, people who used cannabis and those who took nothing at all.
'What we found is that, whether you have taken it fewer than 20 times or more than 20 times in the past few years, you are still more likely to be depressed than non-users,' said Taurah.
'But for those who over years have taken thousands of tablets, there is a significant chance of serious depression. It's a weird drug.
'At first it gives you a surge of happiness, but after a day or two, and up to three weeks later, the user will have mood swings and feel low. In theory, it shouldn't have a long-lasting effect, but our study showed that even those people who had stopped taking it had higher scores on the depression rating than those who had never taken it.'
Taurah presented a paper yesterday at the British Psychological Society's annual conference in Bournemouth.
At the conference earlier in the week, Dr Fabrizio Schifano, a leading authority on the drug, revealed new data showing how ecstasy was very often being taken in a cocktail with other drugs. Schifano, a consultant psychiatrist at the addiction centre at St George's Hospital Medical School in south London, said: 'What we know from previous studies is that those who take relatively large amounts of tablets have an eight times higher chance of suffering depression than the lower users.'
He revealed at the conference that, out of the 202 ecstasy deaths recorded in England and Wales between 1997 and April 2002, 85 per cent involved mixing ecstasy with other drugs.
He said that it was common for clubbers to start their evening with a mixture of alcohol and ecstasy and that during the second part of the night - usually between 2am and 3am - they would often re-energise themselves with 'uppers' such as cocaine and amphetamines.
Then at the end of the night, as the 'loved-up' feelings begin to fade and be replaced with irritability - usually between 5am and 6am - it was common to take 'downers' such as alcohol and heroin.
'If you take ecstasy, you tend to have a liberal attitude towards drugs and are more likely to have tried a vast array of other drugs, but even when you allow for the impact of the other chemicals, it is clear that ecstasy is linked to depression and other cognitive disturbances.'
He said that most users were completely unaware of the fact that it might also lead to memory loss and difficulties concentrating.
This has been confirmed by brain-imaging techniques showing that ecstasy affects serotonin neurones - nerve impulses fired when the mood-chemical serotonin hits them.
The cells, which run from the brain stem down to the frontal cortex, are 'pruned' by the chemical, removing cells that affect our response to pain and govern mood and cognitive functions.
'We can no longer conclude that ecstasy is going to be safe. This new study confirms the other research showing that even a small amount has an impact,' said Schifano.
'What no one can predict is what it will mean for the future. These clubbers may be 24 or 25, but how will their minds be affected by the time they are 55 or 60?'
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Originally posted by Pfunk
What causes some people
to feel depressed after
taking ecstasy?
It is believed that ecstasy can lead to
depression in some people.However,
the precise relation between ecstasy and
depression remains unclear.
Ecstasy results in the release of large
amounts of serotonin,a chemical in
the brain responsible for mood,which
causes the euphoria that is characteristic
of ecstasy use.One theory addressing
the relationship between ecstasy and
depression proposes that this artificial
release of serotonin reduces or depletes
the brain ’s normal supply of serotonin and
that it can take some time for this supply
to be replenished.
It could have had something to do with it, but I think after 10+ years of non-use my serotonin levels should have been back to normal. Also I think it was mainly the benzodiazapines (xanax, valium ect...) that had me in the suicidal depression. That depression went away with the withdrawals I had (by the way xanax withdrawals are worse than heroin/coke withdrawal and can actually kill you, almost kilt me) The other depression (ie. normal depression) went away about a week or so after that, once I learned that I could in fact still have a normal life. I was convinced that I had ruined my mind/body for good. Thank God I was wrong.......
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Originally posted by Eagler
...so legalize and sell over the counter substances which kill your brain and are extremely addictive - are they legal over there all ready??
You mean, like alcohol?
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Originally posted by Udie
It could have had something to do with it, but I think after 10+ years of non-use my serotonin levels should have been back to normal. Also I think it was mainly the benzodiazapines (xanax, valium ect...) that had me in the suicidal depression. That depression went away with the withdrawals I had (by the way xanax withdrawals are worse than heroin/coke withdrawal and can actually kill you, almost kilt me) The other depression (ie. normal depression) went away about a week or so after that, once I learned that I could in fact still have a normal life. I was convinced that I had ruined my mind/body for good. Thank God I was wrong.......
'But for those who over years have taken thousands of tablets, there is a significant chance of serious depression. It's a weird drug.
'What no one can predict is what it will mean for the future. These clubbers may be 24 or 25, but how will their minds be affected by the time they are 55 or 60?'
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Originally posted by Udie
It could have had something to do with it, but I think after 10+ years of non-use my serotonin levels should have been back to normal. Also I think it was mainly the benzodiazapines (xanax, valium ect...) that had me in the suicidal depression. That depression went away with the withdrawals I had (by the way xanax withdrawals are worse than heroin/coke withdrawal and can actually kill you, almost kilt me) The other depression (ie. normal depression) went away about a week or so after that, once I learned that I could in fact still have a normal life. I was convinced that I had ruined my mind/body for good. Thank God I was wrong.......
That's a heavy history and it's hard to believe that it hasn't left a mark. On the happy side you seem to be able to see and admit if you have problems and take proper action.
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Originally posted by Furious
You mean, like alcohol?
exactly
we have our legal drug for those who need their fix .. another legal drug(s) isn't the answer
as for depression after speeding your brains out - simple - what goes up, must come down
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Pfunk,
I worry a lot about what will happen to my mind in the next 20 years or so. All because of the X :( I wonder if the "forgetfullness" that we thought was so funny was Altzheimers type stuff. I worry that I will get that now because of what I did and what I put in my body. There is absolutely nothing I can do about it though :( So, I don't let it get to me. If it happens it will suck, but after a while I won't remember who I am so....
Mora,
Oh it left a mark! I just think I know what that mark is now and can work around it. I also noticed about 3 years ago that thinking became easier to me, like it was when I was a kid. I don't know if that makes since. I could just concentrate more and use logic better than before. I think maybe my brain fixed itself or I started using another part of it that hadn't been effected by the drugs.
Eagler,
Alcohol is tied for 1st place as the worst drug to withdraw from. Believe it or not alcohol affects the same part of the brain in exactly the same manner as Xanax (really all benzodiazapines) and the withdrawals can be quite fatal. 1/2 the people at the rehab were there for booze. I couldn't believe it. There were several who we didn't think would live through detox. The docs there said that many don't. They have strokes or heart attacks and die or worse get what they call "wet brain" and are basicly in a coma for the rest of their lives. The guy there for heroine was done with his withdrawal after about 4 or 5 days. The crack heads never even went through physical withdrawal, not that I saw anyway. It took me 2 weeks to withdraw from the xanax. It took the alchi's 2 to 3 weeks to get back to almost normal, but their detox wasn't as severe as mine. I was amazed at how bad alcoholism hurts your body/mind.
Thank you God for letting me back to sanity!!!!!
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Eagler,
Please don't take this the wrong way. I have respected your opinion for a long time here on these boards. When it comes to political/moral thought we are probably 80% on the same side. I think though that you are 100% unaware about drugs. I don't know if you ever did any or how much you did if you ever used. BUT I do know how many and how much I did and I came out mostly intact. Maybe I was lucky in that as soon as I saw a problem I took corrective measures (which usually ment stopping drug use except pot - the safest of all drugs)
Drugs along with everything else in this world aren't necesarily the problem. I think, and this is my own opinion after years of using and now not using, the main thing is the person. I've known many people who fell into the depths of drug addiction and I've known many people who could do as much of any drug they wanted and then not touch the stuff for 2 years and not think a thing about it. I fell somewhere in the middle of those 2 groups. I'm lucky and can stop when I want to, it's just that it took alot to get it through my thick dazed skull. I also think that I was mostly ok until I went to the shrink and got "real" drugs. Then it took only 2 months. But you know what? The reason I had the siezure was because I stopped taking the xanax. I knew I had a problem with the stuff so I just stopped cold turkey. That's what caused the siezure. My brain needed the xanax to act as a govenor on how fast my neurons fired. There was nothing to stop them (the xanax killed my gaba receptors) so my brain went haywire.
I went to rehab because I thought I was crazy. Ok I was crazy, but I thought it was permanent so I went to see if it was or wasn't, thankfully it wasn't :)
Anyway, the whole thing isn't black and white with drugs. In retrospect I wish I had never tried 1/2 the things I did. BUT at the same time, I learned from each of them. I know that probably sounds crazy/stupid to you and it very well may be.
and I'm on the fence now about legalization of any drug.
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Thing about E that i havelearn is you never know what its CUT with!
Most has a little mescaline in it. Thats what makes you grin your arse off and cheeks hurt the next day!
but it will be cut with COKE (white) Heroin(brown) and other crazy colors (lot of MESC.)
:mad:
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dude you should get off that stuff.....
-there ya go Eagler :D
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LOL dOOd man i can im hooked its better than a RIPSNORT BBS POST.
LOL i have done that sheet in years!
Its alot like acid when you can almost feel brain cell popping!