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Title: Sunday SquadOps - Pick your sides
Post by: Grayarea on September 23, 2003, 03:35:23 PM
Hi all,

This is the write up for the next SSO that will start on the 5th Oct.

Please post side and numbers.

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V-1 Hunters

July - August 1944

No sooner had the Allies gained a beach head in France and the Germans start assaulting London with the V-1.

In early August Churchill makes a statement to the House of Commons and says after seven weeks of non-stop V1 attacks, 5,340 having being launched, that 4,735 have been killed, 14,000 injured and 17,000 houses completely destroyed.

The Allies must stop these attacks, and for the Germans to survive the V-1 must force the Allies to the negotiating table.

This Squad Ops is designed to be a low level JABO oriented battle. The JU 88A4 will be used in a dive bomber role only.

Allied aircraft

Spit IX
Spit XIV (Limited)
Tempest V (Limited)
Typhoon
P-47D-25
P-38L
Mosquito MK VI

Axis aircraft

BF 110-G2
BF 109-G10
JU 88-A4 (Dive bomber)
FW 190-F8
FW 190-A5
FW 190-D9 (Limited)
ME 262A (Limited)

Notes:

Admin CM: Grayarea
Setup CM: Skyman

Settings

-Radar - Off
-Icons - Short
-Fuel – 1.25
-Base warning range 5 miles
-Ack .60
-Killshooter Off
-Terrain France
-Alt cap 10K (enforced by wind layer)
Title: Sunday SquadOps - Pick your sides
Post by: Squire on September 23, 2003, 04:04:23 PM
Allied if possible, 4-6 pilots.
Title: Sunday SquadOps - Pick your sides
Post by: ramzey on September 23, 2003, 04:10:04 PM
308th pls alles, but put us where need
4-6 pilots
pls forward all orders to lucull@raf303.org


ramzey
Title: Sunday SquadOps - Pick your sides
Post by: LLv34_Camouflage on September 23, 2003, 04:46:58 PM
LLv34 requests axis, 4-6 pilots.

Thanks!

Camo
Title: Sunday SquadOps - Pick your sides
Post by: B17Skull12 on September 23, 2003, 05:33:10 PM
20th would like axis can only field 2 pilots will try to get some prearrangements. will update. would also like to CO this if possible.
Title: Sunday SquadOps - Pick your sides
Post by: ViFF on September 23, 2003, 07:12:45 PM
101 Sqn  wherever needed...   preferably Axis :)
(we were allied last SSO)

7-11 pilots.

!
Title: Sunday SquadOps - Pick your sides
Post by: Vladd on September 24, 2003, 11:59:36 AM
Allies please! For a change :)

Vladd
Title: Sunday SquadOps - Pick your sides
Post by: LLv34_Camouflage on September 25, 2003, 04:32:04 AM
Quote
Originally posted by ViFF
Never scissor with Israeli Spitfires


Why? Are you scared? :)

Sorry for the attempted thread hijack. :D

Camo
Title: Sunday SquadOps - Pick your sides
Post by: GA on September 25, 2003, 06:42:10 AM
Allieds pleas, or were needed;)
Title: Sunday SquadOps - Pick your sides
Post by: ViFF on September 26, 2003, 06:30:48 AM
hehe Camo ;)   I believe it was your 109  I scissored with near Sardinia last SSO  ...

on another note, while reading this thread again I saw the following detail under "setting":

Quote

Settings

-Radar - Off
-Icons - Short
-Fuel – 1.25
-Base warning range 5 miles
-Ack .60
-Killshooter Off
-Terrain France
-Alt cap 10K (enforced by wind layer)



10k alt cap ?????!!!!!!
Ghost... why ??????????

please do away with this :(
Title: Sunday SquadOps - Pick your sides
Post by: ghostdancer on September 26, 2003, 07:41:57 AM
Actually ViFF, talk it over with Grayarea. Its his SSO and that is the special rule he is putting in place. I am sure he would welcome any dialogue on the subject and will discuss his reasoning behind it. I am also sure he will listen to yours and others concerns and input.

Just hurry is all .. 1 week and 2 days to next frame. :)

After running three in a row I am taking a break. Sit back and look over No Day at the Beach, Burma, Husky and think on what went right, what went wrong, and how I can do better for next time.

But for now you get new blood .. well sort of. Sort of like old blood which is tanned, rested, recharged and back --> Grayarea.
Title: Sunday SquadOps - Pick your sides
Post by: Flossy on September 26, 2003, 11:04:35 AM
Quote
Originally posted by ghostdancer
But for now you get new blood .. well sort of. Sort of like old blood which is tanned, rested, recharged and back --> Grayarea.
LOL!  :lol
Title: Sunday SquadOps - Pick your sides
Post by: 214thCavalier on September 26, 2003, 01:16:32 PM
Mag 33  4-6
Title: Sunday SquadOps - Pick your sides
Post by: ViFF on September 27, 2003, 11:12:23 AM
GrayArea... whats with the 10k alt cap enforced by wind layer ?

can't we do without this ?
Title: Sunday SquadOps - Pick your sides
Post by: Grayarea on September 27, 2003, 01:31:20 PM
Hi all,

The thinking behind this 10k alt rule is simple.

This particular SSO is trying to represent the low level JABO environment present in the V1 hunt at this point in history.

Several people I have chatted to recently said they are sick of having to climb to 30k to stand *ANY* chance in the last SSO.

Personally I find it a sad duty to enforce design criteria with a wind layer, but without it,  people in my opinion would climb like mad when that is not what this SSO is about.

From a side point of view a 10k limit makes some sense as both sides have good planes with similar performance below 10k, excluding the Spit of course which does well at any alt.

Personally I have no preference for the 10k limit, I am happy to go with the majority view.
Title: Sunday SquadOps - Pick your sides
Post by: ViFF on September 27, 2003, 04:13:17 PM
Well, I believe that the short icon range setting used in the CT & events does the work for you.

Two opposing flights flying with 15-20k seperation will usually completely miss each other.  This is more prevalent in terrains where there is a great number of dark pixels in the ground texture allowing the "dot" to blend in. The "dot" is usually picked up because we catch it moving on the terrain.

if in this upcoming SSO the attackers would choose a low level ingress chances are they won't be spotted by the defenders if they fly above 20k...

The drawback to a 10k alt limit can present a real problem after the flights already see each other and a fight develops. Nobody would be able to extend above this alt for an advatage during the fight.
Title: Sunday SquadOps - Pick your sides
Post by: Squire on September 27, 2003, 07:06:30 PM
Too attack a ground target, the Jabos have to come down low, thats a given, so whats the problem? Its not like the Tiffies will drop at 25k and run home. The Jabos go low, the escorts go low, the interceptors go low...its all going to be low at some point, thats a given .

I can only see an alt limit on level bombers, representing max dropping alts, ex B-17s max at 25k.

Thats how I see it, but its not my call.
Title: Sunday SquadOps - Pick your sides
Post by: Grayarea on September 28, 2003, 05:51:20 AM
Viff,

Your comment about high CAP missing low bandits is invalid because of base flashing.

Squire,

If you accept it make no differance then there cannot be an issue with the rule can there?
Title: Sunday SquadOps - Pick your sides
Post by: AndyH on September 28, 2003, 12:48:55 PM
WOD may be short for this Squad Ops, I will be in Florida for the whole series, and Tilt is away in Dusseldorf on the first frame.

The second frame lands on the UK con weekend. I'm not sure if Tilt has included the SSO in his diary of events, but expect a few drunken pilots from the brit squads :-)

Dstar will be the WOD CO for this series.
Title: Sunday SquadOps - Pick your sides
Post by: ViFF on September 28, 2003, 02:18:58 PM
but Gray,  when the base starts flashing then its already too late isn't it ? ;)
Title: Sunday SquadOps - Pick your sides
Post by: DarkStarStv on September 28, 2003, 06:42:24 PM
Hi.

As AndyH said, I will be co-ordinating The Wings of Death for this SSO.

Despite those AWOL, we should still be able to muster about 5 pilots because we normally have a guest or two.

Allied preferred
Title: Sunday SquadOps - Pick your sides
Post by: Grayarea on September 29, 2003, 02:49:30 AM
Dark,

Could you email me an email address please.
Title: RE: 10k ceilling
Post by: jussa on September 29, 2003, 05:34:14 AM
Viff- I'd like to remind that 5th Oct is "Kipur". I'm not sure how many will show for SSO....:(

Grayarea- About 10k max ceilling. i fly a bit on KOTH where it's 12k for wind and i get very Clastrophobic:D  it's cool for dogfighting...expect little survivors. Alot of dissapointed pilots will go home after a very short combat. plus lots of HO's:eek:
There is very little room for tactical ingagement.

Jussa
XO
Title: Sunday SquadOps - Pick your sides
Post by: Dantoo on September 30, 2003, 06:26:49 AM
9GIAP  Allies Please   4-6