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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Jochen on December 03, 1999, 04:39:00 AM
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Ok, news said that after F4U and B-26 Marauder HTC is going to add some new features and then variants of planes we already have.
This could mean that first time EVER in flight sim history we could see Fw 190F and/or Fw 190G. F was ground attack variant and G was long range fighterbomber.
They are externally virtually identical with Fw 190A, only the outer wing postition guns were removed.
F would be a very good ground attack plane indeed, just look at the possible loadouts that were used during WW II:
- 1 X 250 kg
- 1 X 500 kg
- 1 X 1000 kg
- 3 X 250 kg
- 1 X 250 kg + 4 X 50 kg
- 1 X 500 kg + 4 X 50 kg
- 4 X 50 kg + 4 X 50 kg
- 12 X Panzerblitz rockets (modified R4M)
And many more!
Can someone post possible variants from other planes we could have with current planeset?
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jochen
Geschwaderkommodore
Jagdgeschwader 2 'Richthofen' (http://personal.inet.fi/cool/jan.nousiainen/JG2) (Warbirds)
If you ever get across the sea to England,
Then maybe at the closing of the day
The bars will all be serving German lager
Which means we won the war - hip hip hooray!
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Well.. just off the top of my head.
You could do a P-51B if you don't mind ignoring the different art, but I would rather wait.
F4u-4 (my pick) or F4U-1A, from the F4U-1D
With the Fw190A8, you could do any of the early A series, but the A4 would probably suffice, and of course you mentioned the F and G series.
Mc.202 from the Mc.205
About 30 different variants of the Me109, I'll let Fishu or Ik go into all of those.
N1K1 from the N1K2, but you probably wouldn't notice alot of difference. Of course then Pyro could do a N1K3 or K5, which was planned as a hi alt version of the George for B-29 hunting, but only a handful(2?) were produced. Nahhhhh.....
Spitfires are another plane were you could do a bunch of variants, but probably the Spit I, V, XIV are the most important we don't have.
La7 could be done from the La5, which I would love to see.
Anyone have anymore ?
Oh and you could do an early B-17 version but what would be the purpose at this point?
I guess my two favorites would be the La7 or the F4U-4.
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Vermillion
WB's: (verm--), **MOL**, Men of Leisure,
"Real men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires ;) "
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The F/G had more armor of course than the standard A-8.
Didn't Spitfire have something like 70 different variants? I guess they didn't all have their own Mk. though. Also prolly not all of them were used/developed during the war. It's just something I recall reading some time ago when <cough> accidentally looking at the 'Allied' section in the book shop.
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As a side note, does anyone know which version of IX we have? AW/CK/WB/AH all label it as a Spitfire Mk.IX and leave out which altitude version it is, which does make quite a difference.
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//fats
[This message has been edited by fats (edited 12-03-1999).]
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Time to beg new planes for LW from Mr. Goering.. err.. HTC.
Why not to add bit more nose- and wing lenght for 190, that would be ideal Ta152 or 190D, to meet the requirements of modern battle skies.. (read; being fast)
(nahhh... that would be too rude against P-51)
To meet modern battle skies requirements in Me109 production, I would ask technicians to finish that K serie or G14 quickly before we have Spitfrie XIVs flying all over.
Wouldn't mind bad either if they would begun production of past days F serie and early G serie (planes like G2 or G6).
Ps. B-17.. B-26.. Lancaster.. hmm, lacks the LW iron :I
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How about a Ta154 or He219? That should be a nice LW counter to the American Bombing Iron! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
(I'll beat you all to it; both were night fighters, and only the He219 reached production status)
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So, let's take one plane, 190 for example.
Now, how much length can be added to a plane nose/fuselage, to be still considered a variant ? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Fishu.
I would think that the G14 is not as good as the G10 and that the K4 would be mostly identical.
I guess that the plane would be single engine. I would say Spit 14 then...
Then we could have something to combat all the Spit 9s with!
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Let me see, with no or very minimal artwork changes I guess you could have...
P-51D = P-51K (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Fw190A8 = Fw190F/G or A5+ (A4 and earlier has shorter nose(15cm) and tail section I believe?)
Spitfire MkIX = MkVIII (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Or high and mid alt Merlins, I think all low alt ones had the cut wings? Oh, and add the 4x20mm Hispano armament.
Bf109G-10 = K-(1)4 (Muahahaha! DB605L please (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif))
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P-51D = P51K and with just a little cut and paste job we can have a P-82A !!!!!!!
-Westy
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Next thing you know you'll be asking for a B-29 with an F-84 on each wingtip!
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Hey. I didn't bring it to this point. I saw the TA-152 mentioned and thought...
...well, here we go again....
-Westy
[This message has been edited by Westy (edited 12-03-1999).]
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My only thought is that people are wishing for UBER Planes so they can be on top. As this develops, with the ground strat to be introduced, we will need all manner of planes. But, wishing for the never ending UBER plane, we shall soon be asking for F15's and SU27s
Just my .02
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Rick "Firefox" Scott
VMF-214 / MAG 11
WB ID: firefx
AH ID: FirefxAT
Have Gun Will Travel
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Hey all, how about this one!!!!
[ The Ubber Goober Mk IXLA5109 Mod c.205A8 ] (Sorry, I could not locate a picture)
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Mino
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Ooooooh!!!! Mk XIV Spitfire. That might convince me to pay 29.95 per month.
Sisu
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Think that would convince me NOT to pay 29.95 a month. Hell, I'd rather see the Uber-Goober modeled first.
>Ooooooh!!!! Mk XIV Spitfire. That might convince me to pay 29.95 per month.
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I was thinking more along the lines of some of the earlier variants so we could get a few better turners in the game and increase the variety. I'm talking about stuff like the Spit V, C.202, Fw 190A-5, and the Bf 109F-4. A Fw 190F-8 would also be good for ground work. We'll have to wait a bit for most of the late war stuff as that could get a bit unbalancing at this stage of the game.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
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Oh MY!
the C.202 "Folgore" and the Bf109F-4. IMHO the best fighters to kick RAF butts !!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I think we'll see great cooperation between LW andd Regia Aeronautica in the Med theatre ... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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MC 202 and Malta + North Africa map!
YES!!!!
Pyro, maybe, I say maybe because the exchange ratio between Euro and US$ is worsening, you'll get my 29,95$ (given I find a better performing 3D card wich allows me to trespass the 5 FPS online...:-)
ciao
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Once we get a rolling plane set or maybe even before I'd really love to get into some 109 Emil vs Spit I fights. Those are great fun. And don't forget the Spit I's engine cutout during negative Gs (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
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It's a good day for flying!
General Chuck Yeager
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i think we need only 1 external view(to help fighters bomb)n that view is done by pressing the zero button on number pad the bombbers have a sight maybe we should have 1 to but right now when i fly a fighter ..ie p51 n it has bombs i cant see the field when bombing it so hard to hit target this is just my opinion n maybe htc could set it up so this view is only avabile when bombing in a fighter??????
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In wwII fighters did not have a bomb sight. Basically the way to bomb with a fighter is:
1) put out flaps
2) roll over and aim down towards your target (angle 60 deg or more)
3) release bomb once you reach around 1k (depending on speed)
You can also try level bombing at low alt. but thats trickier to do.
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COOL !!!
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I was thinking more along the lines of some of the earlier variants so we could get a few better turners in the game and increase the variety. I'm talking about stuff like the Spit V, C.202, Fw 190A-5, and the Bf 109F-4. A Fw 190F-8 would also be good for ground work. We'll have to wait a bit for most of the late war stuff as that could get a bit unbalancing at this stage of the game.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
But, are early war planes really the answer to the main unbalancing plane in AH ?
Sure, bring them in, but please recheck Pony’s low speed/high AoA handling and acceleration/climbrate.
Right now LW’s answer to it are compressible (and currently underpowered) target, along with armored buff killer (whose armor doesn’t stop .50 cals too much).
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When I suggested the Spit Mk XIV I did so for two reasons:
A) It is my preffered mount (easily guessed)
B) It entered service withing a couple of months of the P-51D. The first Mk. XIV flew in November or December of 1943.
I think that it would be good to have other aircraft from the time period of the P-51D. We now have the F4U Corsair, but other nations introduced new aircraft or significantly improved versions of existing lines. We should have Fw190D-9s, Spitfire Mk XIVs and Bf109Ks. The reason the P-51D is accused of being so overmodeled is because we're all fighting it in 1942 technology when it is 1944 technology.
Its all and good to give us 109Fs and Spitfire Mk Vs, but why do only the Americans get late war aircraft?
Sisu
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Karnak, but our P 51 fight 1942 style. Or 1917 style, to be more exact (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Hehe, Karnak
marketing is always marketing. Do you wanna americans play only with P40, F4F and early P38?.
Online sims need the Pony ASAP and often a very good Pony.
I dont think that the XIV is a right choice, I dont like late war gangbanging, moreover the IX is excellent and came in many variants, from 1942 to mid '44. I hope we'll come back to 1941-42 ASAP.
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I was thinking more along the lines of some of the earlier variants so we could get a few better turners in the game and increase the variety. I'm talking about stuff like the Spit V, C.202, Fw 190A-5, and the Bf 109F-4. A Fw 190F-8 would also be good for ground work. We'll have to wait a bit for most of the late war stuff as that could get a bit unbalancing at this stage of the game.
Heck, if we get F-8 and A-5, we have a good and representive set of Fw 190's in game, only D is needed. Looks pretty promising to me (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
If I recall right, between A-5 and A-7 series many Fw 190's were built specially for dogfighting with allied fighters by remowing outer wingboard cannons and other not so crucial stuff (some radio equipment or armour maybe) for lightening up the plane. I don't have the production numbers or excact details here with me but I can do some digging after I get home.
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jochen
Geschwaderkommodore
Jagdgeschwader 2 'Richthofen' (http://personal.inet.fi/cool/jan.nousiainen/JG2) (Warbirds)
If you ever get across the sea to England,
Then maybe at the closing of the day
The bars will all be serving German lager
Which means we won the war - hip hip hooray!
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Jochen, please post that info. A-8 is burdened with bomber killer role. Even with outer cannons removed it feels too heavy.
Early 190 series were pure fighters, not bomber killers, AFAIK. But they were 1942/43 designs.
Too bad 190A-8's main task in 1944 was to shoot down bombers. Imagine A-4 or A-5 airframe with MW 50 od A-8 !!
But the D model, on the other hand.... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)