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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: rpm on September 24, 2003, 09:39:27 PM
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Just watched this debate on MSNBC. You guys are screwed.
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I did not see it.
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Would liked to have watched that, who won? Or is that too subjective of a question?
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It was fascinating to watch. :)
I had written up a review of it and what impression each of the participants made on me but I'm not sure I wanna post it as I feel it would just draw attacks and some part of me is tired of that - no I'm not kidding..
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Originally posted by rpm371
Just watched this debate on MSNBC. You guys are screwed.
Yep, I knew that a long time ago, that is why I am counting...
6 weeks to go and I am out of here!!!!!!! The guy that bought my house called and said if we close escrow early he would give us $3000 cash. So Oct 27th is my last day of work here in californistan, I take a load to Montana on the 28th, then stop in Idaho on my way back fot a 10 day elk hunt. Than pack the rest and will be gone my Nov 12th, for good. Even if Montana doesn't work out, I am not comming back here.
Very Very happy man right now.
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Im watching it rerun on cnn. I actually like watching these things. Debates are a sincere form of tragic comedy.
There are some real comedians on there tonight.
as far as kalifornia goes: the people have, are and will get what they deserve. Thats the great thing about representative government. The people always get what they deserve.
edit:
now they are talking about universal healthcare. a 38 billion deficit and they want governement funded (aka free) healthcare.
man. nothing is free
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Let's see... McClintock came off rather well...
Arnold hasn't a clue. The Green Party guy is a nutcase and Cruz is an arrogant condescending ass.
I like Arianna... as a columnist. As much as I might agree with a good portion of her political views, some of it is a bit much to swallow.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Let's see... McClintock came off rather well...
Arnold hasn't a clue. The Green Party guy is a nutcase and Cruz is an arrogant condescending ass.
I like Arianna... as a columnist. As much as I might agree with a good portion of her political views, some of it is a bit much to swallow.
OMG OMG OMG
:eek:
I wrote nearly the same thing in my review, agree on arnold, camejo, and cruz - specially his arrogance and talking down to arriana and arnold.. Definitely agree on McClintock, he kicked ass.
Except I dont like Ariana's views much and thiught she played a few too many cheapskate oneliners vs Arnold and cruz. Plus it really did seem she was running for president and not governor.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Let's see... McClintock came off rather well...
I like Arianna... as a columnist. As much as I might agree with a good portion of her political views, some of it is a bit much to swallow.
I have to say I agree with ya about McClintock....Cruiz acted like "do I really have to be here?" Arnold didnt do all that bad in my opinion
BUT!
Arianna....her WHOLE political veiw in the CALIFORNIA debate was "BLAME BUSH" I swear her answer to all but a few questions was "its all Bush's fault" I dont understand this woman. She interupted Arnold all night. But when he did it she went off and comented on how he treats woman!
I dont understand what Bush has to do w/ california. Yea the national economy and state economies are linked but is that her answer if she becomes govner. "blame bush"
YUp The left coast is totally screwed:(
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Quality entertainment, 3 stars.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
I dont understand what Bush has to do w/ california.
One word... Enron.
Mojave Desert, eh? Where at? I'm in Ridgecrest.
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Originally posted by medicboy
I take a load to Montana on the 28th, then stop in Idaho on my way back fot a 10 day elk hunt. Than pack the rest and will be gone my Nov 12th, for good. Even if Montana doesn't work out, I am not comming back here.
Very Very happy man right now.
Lucky devil!
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Yeager: as far as kalifornia goes: the people have, are and will get what they deserve. Thats the great thing about representative government.
Not entirely true. Would you say that whenever a majority uses state power of oppression to screw up minority, the minority gets what they deserve?
Slaves were minority in the US South. Jews were minority in Germany. If they held the elections and voted to keep slavery/genocide - would one consider it OK, provided everyone got a chance to vote?
We can say that majority deserves what eventually happen to them but the fact of oppression remains.
miko
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California was great in the 70s. What went wrong? Tell me next month @ the WCMC.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Let's see... McClintock came off rather well...
Arnold hasn't a clue. The Green Party guy is a nutcase and Cruz is an arrogant condescending ass.
I like Arianna... as a columnist. As much as I might agree with a good portion of her political views, some of it is a bit much to swallow.
yep, I agree
best thing would be for the Terminator to terminate and throw his support behind McClintock
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Originally posted by beet1e
California was great in the 70s. What went wrong? Tell me next month @ the WCMC.
I'll give you a hint...starts with a "D" and in more extreme cases an "L".
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Originally posted by rpm371
Just watched this debate on MSNBC. You guys are screwed.
My sentiments exactly. But, as the saying goes, you reap what you sow.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
I'll give you a hint...starts with a "D" and in more extreme cases an "L".
...when it used to start with an R and in more extreme cases a C ?
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Originally posted by beet1e
...when it used to start with an R and in more extreme cases a C ?
Ask big business why its moving out of californicate. ;)
http://www.ncpa.org/iss/eco/2003/pd080403e.html
Wyoming, New Hampshire, Nevada, Colorado and Alaska have the most business-friendly tax systems in the United States.
Nebraska, Ohio, Arkansas, California and Mississippi have the most burdensome and complicated tax systems.
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I thought Arnie came of pretty well... Woulda voted for him no matter how he came off tho. The fact that he disagrees with his wife on everything is enough right there but...
his point that he doesn't owe anyone anything is well taken... actors that become governors (I consider wrestlers to be actors too) allways do well because of that I think. they have a fresh start and fresh perspective... even a modest amount of com,mon sense beats bussiness as usual. This would leave out liberal actors (the other 92.778%) as they they are devoid of the common sense gene.
Plus... they are fun to watch and that is the main thing.
lazs
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The PRC is a nice place to visit, but, as the saying goes, I wouldn't want to live there.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
YUp The left coast is totally screwed:(
Don't be lumping us in with those yahoos down south!
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Agree with sandman's analysis almost completely. Aahhhnold did ok considering he was the target du jur.
The worst thing that could happen to California is to elect Cruz Bustamonte. Whata condesending piece of crap!
"Right arnold, whatever you say arnold..[smirk]"
I would even vote for McClintock to avoid that guy.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Agree with sandman's analysis almost completely. Aahhhnold did ok considering he was the target du jur.
The worst thing that could happen to California is to elect Cruz Bustamonte. Whata condesending piece of crap!
"Right arnold, whatever you say arnold..[smirk]"
I would even vote for McClintock to avoid that guy.
I'm starting to wonder (and maybe some of you Cali's?) that maybe Davis isn't so bad AFTER ALL! ??
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I agree that McClintock clearly won the debate. I dont even understand how Huffington was allowed on the stage with her one percent poll rating.
My bet is Huffington writes a book after the campaign. She is a shamless self promoter.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
One word... Enron.
Mojave Desert, eh? Where at? I'm in Ridgecrest.
You actually believe that?
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Originally posted by beet1e
California was great in the 70s. What went wrong?
I was born.
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What is wrong with California?
Arnold: "Your tax laws have loopholes so big I can drive my hummer through it" He is funny.
BTW, who is McClintock?
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The key difference between McClintock and Arnold is that McClintock obviously has a plan. He sees government waste and ways to reduce it. The fact that he's against the 3x vehicle registration will win him many votes.
The feeling I got from Arnold is that he's nothing more than a mouthpiece.
I rather enjoyed watching Huffington. She's a pistol. I didn't get the impression that she understood the fiscal aspect of the job, but she definitely knows how to play politics.
Camejo (or Canejo... whatever)... the green party guy lost huge points with me the minute he started talking about spending MORE.
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Originally posted by Rude
You actually believe that?
To an extent, yes. What I believe isn't really relevant to the reasons that Huffington continued to go with "Blame Bush".
You can be sure that she believes this:
When the younger Bush ran for President, he turned to Lay, who became the single biggest contributor to Bush's campaign. George W. returned the favor big-time by appointing to the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission members who looked the other way when Enron and its fellow swindler companies were fleecing California. These appointees insisted that California's problems were of its own making and would have to be solved without the imposition of the wholesale energy price caps that would have saved taxpayers from a crushing burden.
Vice President Dick Cheney emerged from secret meetings with Enron executives and stated that the Administration considered wholesale price caps a "mistake" because "there isn't anything that can be done short-term to produce more kilowatts this summer." Either Cheney was lying or his Enron buddies were lying to him because, at the time, Enron was routing electricity from California to sell at a higher price in Oregon. Federal price controls would have prevented Enron and the other companies from playing one state against another.
I believe that some of the current fiscal problems in California can be attributed to the energy debacle and that it didn't really matter whether the governor was GOP or DNC, the problem would still be here.
Do a google search on "davis bush enron california" and you'll find plenty of commentary both agreeing and debunking the connection. My guess is that the truth is somewhere in the middle.
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scary
when I agree with sandman and MT in the same post :)
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This thread is sick! How can we all agree on something?!?!?!?! :D
I was actually pretty impressed with Ahnald. He did come across as sort of a pitbull but good god Bustamante and Huffington kept interupting him. McKlintok impressed me the most too. He seemed like the only guy/gal up there that really knew what he was talking about. I don't even know why bustamante has a chance. Seems to me he's part of the current problems.
Now for the disagreement :D
Sandman,
California would not have had that problem if you guys would build power plants. It WILL happen again. Don't blame a capitalist for trying to make money. You guys screwed yourselves by letting the envronmentalist have too much say so in your state.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
To an extent, yes. What I believe isn't really relevant to the reasons that Huffington continued to go with "Blame Bush".
You can be sure that she believes this:
I believe that some of the current fiscal problems in California can be attributed to the energy debacle and that it didn't really matter whether the governor was GOP or DNC, the problem would still be here.
Do a google search on "davis bush enron california" and you'll find plenty of commentary both agreeing and debunking the connection. My guess is that the truth is somewhere in the middle.
Would you please stop sounding reasonable....we all know you're up to something.
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California would not have had that problem if you guys would build power plants. It WILL happen again. Don't blame a capitalist for trying to make money. You guys screwed yourselves by letting the envronmentalist have too much say so in your state.
Kinda like the oil drillin thingie ya think?
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Funny to watch people try to blame any one administration for Enron's buisness practices. They lied to whomever was in office. The only ones that really seemed to hate them were the people paying electric bills.
Also... I'd like to see something on "selling electricity to Oregon for twice the price". I do believe the statement would more accurately be "half the price". During most of the blackouts, we were selling California power to the point of almost causing brownouts in Oregon under the condition that we get to buy it back at half the price.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Udie
Sandman,
California would not have had that problem if you guys would build power plants. It WILL happen again. Don't blame a capitalist for trying to make money. You guys screwed yourselves by letting the envronmentalist have too much say so in your state.
Well... I only have this to offer... In the year 2000 we didn't have a problem. In 2001, we had rolling blackouts. In 2002 no problem again.
I have my doubts that power plants are the issue.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Well... I only have this to offer... In the year 2000 we didn't have a problem. In 2001, we had rolling blackouts. In 2002 no problem again.
I have my doubts that power plants are the issue.
I don't think I posted my point well enough. I DO think you guys got screwed by Enron, no doubt about that. What my point is that your state should have never been in the position to get screwed. Even if Bush had tried to help would Article 1 section 10 of the constitution prohibited it?
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Originally posted by Udie
I don't think I posted my point well enough. I DO think you guys got screwed by Enron, no doubt about that. What my point is that your state should have never been in the position to get screwed. Even if Bush had tried to help would Article 1 section 10 of the constitution prohibited it?
I don't have enough information to agree or disagree, but I've found a good amount of information here: http://www.energy.ca.gov/sitingcases/index.html
If I get a chance, I'll see what I can find regarding demand.
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When I say the "left coast" I dont mean to lump in the entire coast...sorry to you OR-RE-GUN people up north. (thats how a girl i used to date from bend made me pronounce it)
As far as Kalifronia...i'm actually at Edwards...I'm not even a resident but i'm interested in what happens to the state because I live here and it still affects me.
as far as Bush Enron....you dems can keep bringing this up all you want and playing the blame game but the blame game will never fix the economy. That was my whole point about arianna huffingtons performance...she shouldnt have even been there and her whole stratagy based on the debate is "Blame Bush"
I enter a question for you libbbeys out there....How does "Blame Bush" help the economy or the country? Does "Blame Bush" just get you votes or does it help fix things?
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I like McClintoc for his gun control stance but... Debate asside... he doesn't have a chance. He should give his endorsment to Arnie and drop out of the race. The others? whacko's.
lazs
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
I enter a question for you libbbeys out there....How does "Blame Bush" help the economy or the country? Does "Blame Bush" just get you votes or does it help fix things?
Naw, in this forum, it's just venting. Kind of like the Clinton bashing.
No solutions offered of course, just the blame game.
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LOL Saburo
as allways
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Originally posted by SaburoS
Naw, in this forum, it's just venting. Kind of like the Clinton bashing.
No solutions offered of course, just the blame game.
Actually I remember offering solutions to Clinton. It went something like "STOP LYING" "TELL THE TRUTH" "Get the :Dheck:D (happy Skuzzy?) out of the oral office!"