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Title: Western media - the eye-opening source of Truth.
Post by: Boroda on September 26, 2003, 11:49:13 AM
In Chechnya Russian troops have wiped out a democratically elected government, killed tens of thousands of civilians, forced others out of refugee camps and back into the war zone, reduced the capital and every major town to rubble, indiscriminately rounded up the entire male populations of dozens of villages for torture or summary execution and so shattered the country's civil society that previously marginal Islamic extremists now are a major force.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2673-2003Sep25.html

I just think to myself are they really on drugs or someone just ordered them to publish this hallucination?...

:rolleyes:
Title: Western media - the eye-opening source of Truth.
Post by: Hortlund on September 26, 2003, 11:53:54 AM
Ah..so the Russians DIDNT use artillery on Grozny?
Title: Western media - the eye-opening source of Truth.
Post by: k2cok on September 26, 2003, 12:04:05 PM
Knowing the Washington Post is owned by the Rev. Sun Myung Moon I wouldn't place a lot of trust in their journalistic integrity Boroda.  

The Post is a shill for the right wing just as the New York Times is for the left.
Title: Re: Western media - the eye-opening source of Truth.
Post by: Dune on September 26, 2003, 12:08:10 PM
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Originally posted by Boroda
In Chechnya Russian troops have wiped out a democratically elected government, killed tens of thousands of civilians, forced others out of refugee camps and back into the war zone, reduced the capital and every major town to rubble, indiscriminately rounded up the entire male populations of dozens of villages for torture or summary execution and so shattered the country's civil society that previously marginal Islamic extremists now are a major force.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2673-2003Sep25.html

I just think to myself are they really on drugs or someone just ordered them to publish this hallucination?...

:rolleyes:


Well, which part of the above is not true?  And is it true in part or completely untrue?
Title: Western media - the eye-opening source of Truth.
Post by: AKIron on September 26, 2003, 12:08:31 PM
yer link's dead
Title: Western media - the eye-opening source of Truth.
Post by: ra on September 26, 2003, 12:13:23 PM
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Originally posted by k2cok
Knowing the Washington Post is owned by the Rev. Sun Myung Moon I wouldn't place a lot of trust in their journalistic integrity Boroda.  

The Post is a shill for the right wing just as the New York Times is for the left.

You are confusing the Washington Post with the Washington Times.  The Post is another Democratic party paper, like the NYT.  

Boroda, it is a complement to have the Post say nasty things about your country.
Title: Western media - the eye-opening source of Truth.
Post by: k2cok on September 26, 2003, 12:20:51 PM
Oops, your right.
Title: Western media - the eye-opening source of Truth.
Post by: AKIron on September 26, 2003, 12:29:53 PM
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Originally posted by k2cok
Oops, your right.


So then, is the integrity of that article still lacking?
Title: Western media - the eye-opening source of Truth.
Post by: Trell on September 26, 2003, 12:32:50 PM
The papper can slant any article the way they want it.
people just to realise that it is not asw black and white as they want you to believe
Title: Western media - the eye-opening source of Truth.
Post by: Angus on September 26, 2003, 12:35:53 PM
" killed tens of thousands of civilians, forced others out of refugee camps and back into the war zone, reduced the capital and every major town to rubble"
You mean this part is not true?
Title: Western media - the eye-opening source of Truth.
Post by: ygsmilo on September 26, 2003, 12:44:08 PM
Was this the Tzar, Stalin, or the present Government that did it ?

A good overall read on the history of the region.


http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/europe/chechnya/history.html
Title: Western media - the eye-opening source of Truth.
Post by: k2cok on September 26, 2003, 12:47:26 PM
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Originally posted by AKIron
So then, is the integrity of that article still lacking?


Unknown, the page will not load.
Title: Western media - the eye-opening source of Truth.
Post by: AKIron on September 26, 2003, 12:57:37 PM
It's up now.
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Post by: Batz on September 26, 2003, 01:03:04 PM
Thats an "editorial" to begin with. Theres a difference between an "editorial" and news.

Second, what isnt true?
Title: Western media - the eye-opening source of Truth.
Post by: Eagler on September 26, 2003, 02:20:04 PM
what do russian women and a hockey team have in common?

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they both shower after the 3rd period :)
Title: Western media - the eye-opening source of Truth.
Post by: Yeager on September 26, 2003, 02:53:00 PM
Hey!  be nice, russians are people also......
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Post by: Eagler on September 26, 2003, 02:59:42 PM
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Originally posted by Yeager
Hey!  be nice, russians are people also......


LOL

heard that joke from a caller to the imus show, had to use it somewhere :)
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Post by: rpm on September 26, 2003, 03:03:00 PM
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Originally posted by Eagler
what do russian women and a hockey team have in common?
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they both shower after the 3rd period :)


Exactly what I would expect to hear from a hate monger. Tell us some of your Black jokes while you are at it.
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Post by: Eagler on September 26, 2003, 03:20:32 PM
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Originally posted by rpm371
Exactly what I would expect to hear from a hate monger. Tell us some of your Black jokes while you are at it.


LOL your come back is funnier than my joke - no fair!

your not a russian woman by chance? :)
Title: Western media - the eye-opening source of Truth.
Post by: AKIron on September 26, 2003, 03:21:04 PM
lol
Title: Western media - the eye-opening source of Truth.
Post by: Sixpence on September 26, 2003, 04:15:12 PM
darn conservative owned media
Title: Western media - the eye-opening source of Truth.
Post by: ra on September 26, 2003, 04:46:11 PM
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Originally posted by Eagler
LOL your come back is funnier than my joke - no fair!

your not a russian woman by chance? :)

Maybe he's just had his 3rd period.
Title: Western media - the eye-opening source of Truth.
Post by: Dune on September 26, 2003, 04:55:43 PM
Anyone see Boroda?
Title: Western media - the eye-opening source of Truth.
Post by: cpxxx on September 26, 2003, 06:32:30 PM
Eagler, you obviously never met many Russian women.  The joke is old and out of date by some margin.  The two I met last Friday were spectacularly beautiful. Certainly no Baboushkas. :cool:
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Post by: Udie on September 26, 2003, 06:36:58 PM
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Originally posted by Sixpence
darn conservative owned media



 Yeah that darned right wing nut job Ted Turner,  it's all his fault.  No,  really,  it is.....
Title: Western media - the eye-opening source of Truth.
Post by: Eagler on September 26, 2003, 07:21:11 PM
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Originally posted by cpxxx
Eagler, you obviously never met many Russian women.  The joke is old and out of date by some margin.  The two I met last Friday were spectacularly beautiful. Certainly no Baboushkas. :cool:


I am sure - just a joke I hadn't heard b4 thought Boro would get a kick outa :)
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Post by: Sixpence on September 27, 2003, 12:39:06 AM
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Originally posted by Udie
Yeah that darned right wing nut job Ted Turner,  it's all his fault.  No,  really,  it is.....


I think you have him confused with Rupert Murdoch, really, you do......
Title: Western media - the eye-opening source of Truth.
Post by: Boroda on September 27, 2003, 01:24:33 PM
OK, I saw intersting reactions, so I'll start to answer one by one ;)

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Originally posted by Hortlund
Ah..so the Russians DIDNT use artillery on Grozny?


Yes, we didn't carpet bomb it from stratosphere.

Can you tell me how Swedish army takes fortified cities? Maybe you just play snowballs with terrorists?

There were no civilians there in 1999, and federal troops gave two weeks for everyone to leave the city unarmed. I am happy they didn't send soldiers only with automats and bayonets there, and tanks without infantry cover like they did in 94.
Title: Re: Re: Western media - the eye-opening source of Truth.
Post by: Boroda on September 27, 2003, 01:59:56 PM
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Originally posted by Dune
Well, which part of the above is not true?  And is it true in part or completely untrue?


Well, it reminds me of Soviet media.

Soviet joke from the 70s: Brezhnev and Carter had a racing competition. Next morning Pravda writes: "American president was next to last, comrade Secretary General was the second".

The funniest thing there is about "democratically elected government". Great. It's a joke of the month.

killed tens of thousands of civilians

The guys from Washington Post counted them, no doubt. Several hundreed thousands of non-Chechen refugees and people simply slaughtered and raped there since 91 don't count. Anyway the number is highly overestimated. It's exactly like someone on this board telling me about 120 millions of Soviet people killed by evil communist regime.

forced others out of refugee camps and back into the war zone

There is no war zone in Chechnya now. Federal goverment simply got tired of feeding people who refuse to take care of their own crap and waste, being too honorable and leaving it to Russian gyaur pigs. They are free to stay, but they'll have to take care of themselves.

reduced the capital and every major town to rubble

I already answered this one. If the enemy doesn't surrender - it has to be destroyed.

indiscriminately rounded up the entire male populations of dozens of villages for torture or summary execution

It's a lie. Just - a lie.

so shattered the country's civil society that previously marginal Islamic extremists now are a major force.


Civil society?! Islamic extremists are a major force? You mean - several hundreeds of terrorists and Arab mercenaries are a major force?!

Damn! (is this word still OK here?) More then 90% of Chechen population voted for a new constitution.

Now - some thoughts.

American press started an anti-Russian campaign. Many papers print anti-Russian materials as "advertisement", like famous letters from our "dissidents" written in 2001, where they accuse our president of "state antisemitism" and other deadly sins. Some "adds" even accuse federal government for kidnapping foreign doctors, actually kidnapped by Chechens. I have heard that they published a new "open letter to president Bush" by Boris Berezovsky, who is under investigation here for assisting terrorists and stealing 2000 cars from VAZ.

Looks like some forces in the West are interested in spoiling relations with Russia. I wonder why. I try to understand why Bush is so "friendly" with Putin, and who tries to raise hatred towards my country. :confused:
Title: Western media - the eye-opening source of Truth.
Post by: Hortlund on September 27, 2003, 02:02:49 PM
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Originally posted by Boroda
OK, I saw intersting reactions, so I'll start to answer one by one ;)

 

Yes, we didn't carpet bomb it from stratosphere.

Can you tell me how Swedish army takes fortified cities? Maybe you just play snowballs with terrorists?

There were no civilians there in 1999, and federal troops gave two weeks for everyone to leave the city unarmed. I am happy they didn't send soldiers only with automats and bayonets there, and tanks without infantry cover like they did in 94.


You really are brainwashed arent you? Odd, I thought that would end with the collapse of communism. Just out of curiosity, who feed you with these "truths"? Is it Russian media that has taken over the old TASS-role, or what?

Frightening actually...
Title: Western media - the eye-opening source of Truth.
Post by: udet on September 27, 2003, 02:06:40 PM
it's Russians vs. crazy Muslim fundamentalists....

who to root for????who to root for????who to root for????

for Aliens from Space!
Title: Western media - the eye-opening source of Truth.
Post by: strk on September 27, 2003, 03:44:33 PM
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The Post is another Democratic party paper


prove it

strk
Title: Western media - the eye-opening source of Truth.
Post by: Hristo on September 27, 2003, 04:13:50 PM
Watched a show on Serbian television the other day. It was about Moscow people.

They interviewed a cab driver, who then told he spent some time in Chechnya.

What he said was that, in his opinion, Russians had no right to be there. He mentioned how Russians would drive with tanks over their own dead soldiers. They couldn't pick them up because of snipers so they were driving with tanks over dead bodies until there was nothing left. This way Chechens would have nothing to show as trophys.

(sorry for poor English)
Title: Western media - the eye-opening source of Truth.
Post by: GRUNHERZ on September 27, 2003, 04:22:17 PM
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Originally posted by k2cok
Knowing the Washington Post is owned by the Rev. Sun Myung Moon I wouldn't place a lot of trust in their journalistic integrity Boroda.  

The Post is a shill for the right wing just as the New York Times is for the left.


Why not question him too strk? Oh wait you guys share the same opinion... :rolleyes:
Title: Western media - the eye-opening source of Truth.
Post by: strk on September 27, 2003, 06:40:08 PM
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Why not question him too strk?


he has already been corrected.  the moonies run the washington times (and the failed "star" before that).  Rev. moon thinks he is God, btw

the post, otoh is a real paper, although the repubs will never forgive them for breaking the watergate story

I dont see why you would think we share the same opinion, though

strk
Title: Western media - the eye-opening source of Truth.
Post by: Angus on September 28, 2003, 05:20:28 AM
War is always brutal. The Russians are at "war" with Islamic extremists in very much the same way as the USA.
Now Chechnya used to "belong" to the USSR, and their borders are adjactent to Russia,  - their style of fighting is via Terrorism.
I think that if Mexico was in a similar position, sending terrorists over the US borders, - blowing up things, assassinating people, and taking hostages and so on, the US would be all over Mexico.
(just for a geographical comparison)
However the Fighting style is different. The Russians have a reputation for roughness, while the US try to keep their face as the good guy, with their high precision weapons.  Not to mention their forces having the international press on their heels......
And Boroda, you know perfectly well that a bomb from the stratosphere can be and mostly IS more accurate than the Russian artillery........:D