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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: aknimitz on August 16, 2001, 10:14:00 PM
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Ok - bomber guns are simply ridiculous. It takes a very small amount of pings from a B17/B26 or even Lancaster at times to inflict serious damage. The reason of course is because all of the guns that can see the plane are firing at it. I think the damage that the guns do needs to be examined in the first place.
But, assuming there is no desire to change the damage model, why not make a gunner mandatory? Its not like the gunner would have to sit in the bomber the entire flight. The only time he would need to be there would be when the plane is under attack. I know it sucks unjoining players, but perhaps something could be done to make that easier as well? Right now, I think bomber gunnery is ridiculously overmodeled, and would really like to see something done about it.
Thanks for listening, comments welcome.
Nim
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Nimitz- I feel the exact same way every time a bomber gets me. But when it comes down to it, when you (or I) get shot down by ANYTHING, we did something wrong. I've been flying the Dora this tour. Previously I flew the 190A8. I had a LOT of success against buffs in the 190A8, I think I was somewhere around 4 or 5 to 1 against all types. In the Dora I'm not doing so hot. I've got to make more than two passes on most of them, because 2 20mm cannons and 2 MGs just don't punch holes in things like 2x20mm and 2x30mm cannons do.
Do I think that the buff gun damage needs to be toned down? No, not really. Do I think that the angle that some of the guns can fire at needs to be looked at? Absolutely.
For instance- the nose and tail guns on the Lanc can fire at the same target if it is approaching from the side. I think it needs to be looked at.
On the B17- the waist guns can fire THROUGH the wings- it needs to be fixed. The ball turret can fire UP through the fuselage of the plane- it needs to be fixed. The top turret can fire through the tail- that probably needs to be fixed. The cheek guns can actually fire through the nose of the planes at fighters attacking from the other side of the nose- it needs to be fixed.
Thats just about all I can think of right now. In the mean time, I'd recommend either attacking from the side in a slashing attack (which I do)- or waiting for a countryman to attack and then going at the buff from a different angle (which I also do). And believe me, I feel your pain. Every time I got shot down by a buff I get so frustrated I feel like punching a hole in the wall- but it really does boil down to the fact that I screwed up something in my approach.
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Buff guns are ok. Just exactly fine as they are. Make them better, and even those who know how to deal with buffs now will be in trouble, make them less powerful -- and majority of buffs will start flying it to 30k again.
Just never give them a chance for a clear shot. Get alt, get speed, get angle, with such big targets it is hard to miss. Make something they are not waiting for, and their tracers will be away from you.
Leave guns as they are :)
Fariz
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huh try it b 17 vs 190a8 at 30 k try it !! damit
make them mushy about 20 k the guner control in ruder input roll are to fast and SHake the guns when they shoting !!!! that wil be not to hard to implement and it wil surely reduce 1.0 super shoters
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Actually- I'll give you a good example of my latest episode of bad judgement.
I took off in my Dora to find out why there was a red bar in one of our sectors. I climbed to 15k and lo and behold saw a dot headed my way. It was a B-17. I decided to engage- but I did it on my terms. I climbed until I was at 20k (about 6k above him), and rolled over and dove vertically. I landed some hits, and he had a fuel leak. I continued to make passes, staying at around 400 mph, and I made the passes short but sweet. I never flew directly at him until I was within 600 yards or so, enough for a short burst and then I'd break off.
I swear I stalked this guy for 10 minutes, never getting farther than d2.0, but never closer than 1.5 unless I was attacking. He was a newbie in the B-170 I could tell because he stayed on a straight and level course the entire time (well, almost). He never used his rudder to swing the plane around so that I was always attacking his 6 (I won't attack those guys, it is to risky).
I continued making short, slashing attacks. I got two fuel tanks (1 in each wing)- and two engines (also 1 in each wing). I don't know what other damage he sustained, that was all I noticed. This was the result of perhaps 10 passes.
I began to get impatient. That was the beginning of the end for me. I came in hard from his 3 OC, fired, then rolled over him and immediately broke back into him instead of continuing to set up another pass. I was approaching from his 7 or 8 OC- I got within d600 before he found me. We opened fire at the same instant, I must have missed, but he took my wingtip off with his burst. I got lucky and ditched a 190 that had come by, and got home to ditch. (Went for the landing, but I hit to hard and broke the gear, slid short of the runway).
If you can see what I'm talking about- my losing my wingtip there was due to MY poor judgement. I'm lucky I only lost a wingtip there. Had I contined around for another pass, I would have worn him down eventually.
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Nothing wrong with buff guns, it's when the attacker gets frustrated and does something wrong. I fly buffs a fair amount and I get my fair share of kills and deaths and for those that take their time will nearly always get their kill. I'm sure if this was real life you wouldn't go charging in and hoping you wouldn't get hit. Also if you wingup then you'll almost always get the kill on the buff.
Leave the guns alone, just take your time and plan your approach.
Nexx
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ok then all u super atakers i em not sharp in B 17 gunery but try to take down mitzu for exaple or ani other in 1 vs 1 and tell me then :-))
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after playin in ct I wish there was away to reduce icon range for buff gunners (wishfull thinking) but buffs die alot more then they kill.
I hate it when i come in hi fast and a few pings later Im in pieces due to very few hits.
However if buffs were every made less defensable I would never fly them.
Attack ET a few in a b26 you soon realise how to go at umm.
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minus,
Are you saying that the buff should usually lose with one of the best buff gunners manning its guns?
That would mean that us mortals would always loose.
And that would mean that all but the most mashochistic would never fly buffs.
After all, who wants to spend half an hour trying to get to a target only to have the first fighter you come across make a sloppy attack and kill you every time?
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realy ???
so when i fly ju 88 and get atacked be plane all my deseperate manovers to prolonge the dieig agony i can live with that so why cant be a b17 b26 or lancaster more muchy above 20 k they can flat turn around you without losing speed why the guns on buffs cant shake ? it will reduce acuracy of buff guner from 1.3 maybe around 0.9 is it so much ?
LW plane for sucesful atack need to get close / if any 1 manage to kill a b 17 that usualy becose guner is not ready not watching you or newbie, if guner waiting you the probabylity to kill buff go very low but u surely will miss wingtip
was lately on my very rare b 17 run 2 niki tryed to bounce me , por bugers kiled them at 1.0 distance they never get more close
i flying many ju88 and my best defense in ju 88 is NOT alt not SPEED but a praying to not cros any enemy fighter :D
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Actually, to kill effectively a buff you need the surprise factor, a tremendous energy advantage, or a wingman.
If the buff driver is average or above average, no matter what you do, you'll be killed or severely damaged more than 80% of the times, unless you fly HogC, Tempest or Typhoon (all of them hispano armed planes).
A single Lancaster is able to close an entire base, a single B17 is able to kill all the acks, fuel, radar, etc of a single base. Both buff types are highly valuable targets, and primary keys to conquer bases or stop enemy attacks. They should work with scort, not alone, or spent an ethernity to climb to 30k, anything but increasing their impact in the game giving them a formidable deffense system.
Think in that:
A single player driving a buff is more than capable of ruining the flight of 3 or 4 players driving interceptors with minimal effort. After that, that single player is more than capable of frustrating an entire country bombing a key base, again, with minimal effort. IMO, too much concesions for a single player.
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Originally posted by MANDOBLE:
Think in that:
A single player driving a buff is more than capable of ruining the flight of 3 or 4 players driving interceptors with minimal effort. After that, that single player is more than capable of frustrating an entire country bombing a key base, again, with minimal effort. IMO, too much concesions for a single player.
Mandoble, you're talking a load of rubbish! You're saying that it's too much concessions for a single player? Next you'll be saying that you need 2 or 3 goonies next to capture a base because 1 goon/M3 is too much concession for a single player - frustrating people who wanted to fly from that base.
Sigh, I've seen it all now. I've seen single fighters close bases before too....
Regards
Nexx
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I dont think they should touch the buff guns, yeah they R a bit too powerful but take into acount the deflection or lack therefor of. I see too many fighters tring to come up on the low 6 of a buff or high 6 and thats just plain suicide. U R fling into a hail storm of 12.7mm X 99mm for the US bombers now U R talking about at a avg rate of fire at 600RPM for the US M2 .50cal lets say the gunner holds the trigger down for a second hmmm that would be about 6 rounds fired off from each gun and each round is traveling around 1200ft per sec (est) and U R traveling the opposite direction at 300+ MPH...... if U hit a bird at that speed it would kill your plane it just depends on the location of the damage. I love my fighters but U know the buffs are already really easy to kill with most planes. So many have cried about the buff guns be4 I dont think they should be changed at all. after all its a game and the bombers need a chance too because a mass formation of B17s dont happen very often in here.
Hodo
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The buff guns I think are set about right as far as lethality are concerned. The feature of all guns being aimed by a single gunner cold be solved best by:
Having each gun position have the ability to be manned by a different person. Also, if a postion is empty, you can jump from one position to another. Would be nice to bring along up to 7 gunners for example on a B17.
ATC
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One suggestion:
Disable rudder turning when the pilot is in the gunner position.
Those turnin 'n burnin buffs are annoying. They had the guns upped so they could fly "traditionally". With the new style of flying in buffs with lotta rudder inout, they don't need it :)
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Originally posted by MANDOBLE:
Actually, to kill effectively a buff you need the surprise factor, a tremendous energy advantage, or a wingman.
A bit of brains in your head normally enough. :)
If the buff driver is average or above average, no matter what you do, you'll be killed or severely damaged more than 80% of the times, unless you fly HogC, Tempest or Typhoon (all of them hispano armed planes).
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I fly YakU, bad punch, low ammo load:
Tour 18 stats:
Against b17 -- 10/0 (2 in La7, 1 in hogc (vulching obviously), 7 in yakU).
Against lanc -- 11/0 (1 in La7, 1 in ostwind, 9 in yakU)
My math is terrible, but still enough to understand, that it is far away from 80% :)
If you who say it is impossible to fight against buffs effectivly will spend half of the time you spent posting those "UBER GUNS" posts to watch your films and find a working tactics against buffs -- you will not need to post it at all. :)
Fariz
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Originally posted by Replicant:
You're saying that it's too much concessions for a single player?
Yep, lasser bomb precission and buff defenses are too much concessions for a mission done by a single player in a single buff able to nuke a base.
In the other hand, I see no concessions for C47 or M3, they seem good modeled to me.
Originally posted by Replicant:
Sigh, I've seen it all now. I've seen single fighters close bases before too....
Me too but with a lot of work, luck and risk.
Fariz, personal examples like your own score means nothing. Any dedicated buff pilot could come here and show similar staticstics in the buff side. If I'm lucky enough to have a favorable K/D ratio against buff means also nothing.
Actually, K/D ratio of all models vs B17 is only 1.38, K/D of all models vs N1K2 is 0.9, that means that B17 is a killing machine almost as efficient as the N1K2.
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Maybe I've been flying too long but I drool whenever I see a bomber now. Any bomber I see as easy meat. The B17 is trickier than the others because of all the guns but it just means I have to handle the joystick just a little more. About the same as coming in for a landing but a hell of a lot less than if I was flying against another fighter though, that's for sure.
Westy
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Whats the reason again for not having more than 1 guy in your bomber?
Also, since the formations in WWII dropped when the lead bomber did, what's the argument for not having laser guided bombs, but rather AI to fly with you? Say like a wing of 4 bombers, 1 piloted, 3 AI.
Seems like you would just spawn into the surviving bombers when you got killed. With reduced accuracy, you would need more bombers, it would be a hell of alot of fun carpet bombing, not to mention the effects, and at the same time guns could be turned WAY down.
AI ack works fairly well, I dont mind it, but I know guys from WBS hated AI gunners in the buffs. Oto or something like that. How come?
[ 08-17-2001: Message edited by: Creamo ]
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Originally posted by MANDOBLE:
Fariz, personal examples like your own score means nothing. Any dedicated buff pilot could come here and show similar staticstics in the buff side. If I'm lucky enough to have a favorable K/D ratio against buff means also nothing.
It does, it shows that with correct tactics and patience buffs are easy to be killed even if you does fly plane with one of the worst punch in the game. You said "hispanos" and "80%", I said "shvak" and "0%" and posted stats.
If I can do it, anyone can. Let be honest, if I will fly equal plane on equal terms against you, or AKNimitz, I will be dead 8 of 10. So use your skills and brains, and burn buffs regularly, that is it.
I never say that buff guns strength is realistic, as it is now. I think it is uber. And it is one of the game compromises I consider beeing correct, see above why. I love to kill b17 when they are at 15k, not at 35k. Let me remind you what it was when guns were the way they shall be -- beeing alone buff at 20k was 100% death, 100% time. It sounds strange, but better guns made buffs more vulnerable, because majority of them are flying now in the zone where they can be killed. I remember what it takes to attack buff formation at 30k, no, thanks, I prefer to have them at 15k as it is now.
The day when AH crowd will be more organized to fly big formations of buffs regularly I will be first to vote to tune guns down. Right now I consider doing it the wrong decision.
Fariz
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Wow ,thats a buff ahead of me.Big fat cow.Another easy kill.Right on his six.2.0 out.He can't see me.1.5 out now and he hasn't even tried to turn.Duck soup.Now I'm 1.2 and boring in for the kill,Dang I'm dead.Those buff guns are overmodeled.Its not fair.Those buff drivers are too stupid to kill an ace like me.
And many thanks to you really good buff killers out there who defended buff guns and
explained about the strategy of attacking buffs.I know most of your names,having been killed by you quite often.
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Ive said it before... buffs have too much impact on the other players. The phony lazer bombing is too easy so that any attention starved no skill can suicide bomb a field into uslesness. Sure... he willdie but he's allready ruined it for a dozen guys.
urchin makes a good point also... At the very least, the guns on the buffs should have realistic aiming and not be able to shoot through their own plane.
As for attacking buffs? Sure, you can get em but if you are careful and do it tight then.... It is all for nothing, They have allready dropped bombs and are planning for the next fite they can spoil. I'ts no fun killing em as they are are a joke but if you do kill em it is only for thesake of them not spoiling a fite. To me they are just AI jokes. Seeing a lone suicide buff over your field... the one that is close to the action and where everyone is having fun is... disgusting.
lazs
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Funked put up 2 buff with escort missions this week. first mission 6 launched and 1 made it back. second mission 6 or 7 launched and 2 made it back. This was with escort.
What you guys are saying is you want it so there is no chance of a buff rtbing? Stop whineing and do some of that pilot toejam.
You guys are funny.
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I just started playing AH three days ago, so maybe I shouldn't comment, but my first two kills were buffs, a Lancaster and a 17. One in a Niki, the other in a .50-cal F-4U.
I thought it was easy. I was wrong. I've since found out that killing buffs is hard, dangerous work.
But if I can get two early on then these things aren't indestructable or overgunned _ unless you fly against someone who knows what they are doing.
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/ i asking for the 1.3 range reduction but not directly !!! make the guns Shake a litle it will complicate long range snipering /reduce ruder input in guner position how can buff flat turn at 20 k is ridiculous reduce it to half and it looks alreadt beter and make the buffs mushy when going above 20 k and at 30 k make them drop altitude hardly if they begin jink on ruder guner turn
i cant get higher a 190a8 full + rm21 rocket like 33 K !!!!!
and buffs sometime goin at 35 k and they ar very fast high up
and how about adjust JU88 peeshoters ??????? all you buff defenser what u thing ju88 not need some chance for survive ?? :rolleyes:
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rosco and how many fighter died to get down those bufs ??????????
20 ? or more ?
in CT 4 b 26 kiled around 14 Lw planes
tactical atack was imposible buff was to fast and high only way to stop them was sucide run
fariz yes you can kill easy a buff if some country man will die at your place and u profit on him but try it only 1 vs 1 when guns waiting your clever atack
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As for buffs, one thing that i notice, especially when attacking the JU-88 and the Lanc, is that my frame rate drops to 3-6 fps. When I'm doing a high deflection shot, it makes the shot pure guesswork. I have about 3 frames to try to "walk" the bullets into the aircraft before I'm past it. Talk about erratic gunnery! This makes killing bombers sort of difficult, but I can imagine without the frame rate hit, it wouldn't be nearly so bad.
Could it be that many others are suffering from the same problem, and just don't know it yet?
That being said, when I do die from buffs, it's usually beause I do something careless and give them a good shot. Sometimes I do a pop up attack on B-26's and Lancs. If you can kill them in that one high deflection shot, you're usually ok if you roll off and get out of their sights as quickly as possible. Problem is, I get greedy and try to stick around sometimes when I miss :)
CJ
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Don't we have the Ta-152? I think I've flown at least one or two of them 190-lookin-fat tail havin-high altitude flyin-30mm shootin-long wing liftin-pressurized environment bein-luftwobble originatin-SOB's :)
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Originally posted by minus:
rosco and how many fighter died to get down those bufs ??????????
20 ? or more ?
[ 08-17-2001: Message edited by: minus ]
I saw 4 that i know of get through the escorts. ill check my film.
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Geez guys - this post was not intended as a "BUFF GUNS UBER" post - I simply was wondering what other people that about them.
I have no problems killing lancasters if I am careful. However, B17's have no blindspot with all those guns. Even if you pick the right angle, and have speed, etc. sometimes I find it difficult. Fariz, I would love to hear any tactics that you employ to gain such a high success rate - truly!
Nim
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Just checked film, 2 190s and 2 109s got within icon range of the buffs. "on film its D6" 4 planes died as a result of buff guns, not 20 :) 1 buff discoed for sure so 4 or 5 buffs died due to gunfire.
BTW Everyone of them including you minus dead 6'd us.
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I was at 8,000 feet and still climbing in and out of gray soggy rain clouds. Below yawned a dark blue-gray void and somewhere at its bottom the sea. Suddenly an aircraft appeared out of the cloud above, going the other way. A Dornier 17! Through the miracle of radar we had met in a cloud.
I wheeled my Hurricane around, craning my head backward, my eyes riveted on the Dornier. It must not escape. My only hope of not being spotted was to keep directly underneath, stalking and climbing until I could draw level astern and in range. It was my only hope of getting in a decisive burst of fire before being seen.
The going was bad that morning. I felt enormously visible and could only dimly see the Dornier through my rain-washed windscreen. I opened up the hood and slanted my head out into the battering slipstream. It helped a bit. Another hundred yards and I would have to risk a pot shot.
After leaving Arras-St. Leger, Dornier Gustav Marie headed out over the North Sea, toward England. "The nearer we came to the English coast," said Werner Borner, "the lower the clouds. Heavy rain pattered on the cabin windows. There was no 'trade' to be seen." All the same, Werner Borner was keeping a sharp lookout. He had the best view astern, and the lives of his crew depended on him.
Then through a break in the cloud he saw the English coast. "Looks a bit like Schleswig-Holstein," said someone. Another voice on the intercom complained, "What a bind having to fly in weather like this." They were forbidden to bomb the mainland by day. Vaguely they had heard that it was to avoid upsetting the Fuehrer's peace plans. But they flew inland for some "aerial sightseeing."
Over Lowestoft, Gonzow decided to bomb the shipping lying in the horbor. Feldwebel Lohrer opened the bomb doors and down went ten 100-pound bombs. Then Gonzow turned Gustav Marie south for home and the whole crew began singing, "Goodbye Johnny . . ." They were still singing a few minutes later when there came a yell in the intercom of "Achtung, Jaeger!" Werner Borner had seen me.
He grabbed his MG 15 and opened fire. His bright red tracer came darting toward me and I remember thinking, "It's too early to fire." I had to get closer. Then I pressed the tit and things warmed up inside the Dornier. "Pieces of metal and other fragments were flying everywhere," said Werner. One of the ammunition drums was hit and bounced onto Werner's knees. Then Leutnant Bernschein, on the starboard rear gun, was hit in the head and fell onto the floor of the cabin. A second later Feldwebel Lohrer collapsed on top of him, wounded in the head and throat. Blood was everywhere.
Only Werner was left to shoot it out with me. As he reached for a new drum of ammunition there was a violent explosion just above his head, and he saw three fragments whip past pilot Gonzow's head, missing it by a fraction and smashing the windscreen. Unscathed, Gonzow flew on but Werner now felt blood trickling down his cheeks. "I took no notice--things were too hot. With a last effort I shot at the Hurricane, which was so close I could see the pilot. I shall never forget that sight of yellow-orange flashes from its guns crisscrossing with the incendiary and tracer from my own guns--all of it silhouetted against a ghostly-looking bank of dark thunderclouds. Then my gun was knocked out of my hands."
But not before Borner had used it to good effect. I was still firing when suddenly there was a bright orange explosion in the cockpit in front of me. I suppose I must have kept firing a second longer--those last bullets knocked Borner's gun from his hands. When I borke away Borner saw my Hurricane diving down, trailing a plume of black smoke. A moment later Gustav Marie was swallowed up in the clouds.
The cabin of the Dornier was a shambles. "bits and pieces everywhere, blood-covered faces, the smell of cordite, all windoes shot up. There were hits everywhere: in the wings, in the fuselage, and in the engine. But what a surprise: no one was really seriously wounded and our good old Gustav Marie was still flying!"
That was more than could be said for my Hurricane VY-K. The engine was hit. Powerless, I could only glide down through the rain clouds. I called Kiwi One, the ground station: "Wagon leader calling. Am hit and bailing out in the sea. One, two, three, four, five. Take a fix if you can." Then I was clear of cloud and the sea opened up below--twenty miles to England, two hundred to the other side. Not a ship in sight. Peering below, I banked my airplane steeply to left and to right. Then below my right wing a little ship appeared. It looked like a toy, as if someone had put it there at that moment.
--from 'Duel of Eagles' by Peter Townsend
One of the best books I've ever read.
anRky
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Just a thought, but there seems to be widespread disagreement. Is it possible that the difficult buffs are those where one player is piloting and another manning the guns?
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How about....
Increased buff tuff, and turn down them guns just abit...
SKurj
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Originally posted by aknimitz:
I have no problems killing lancasters if I am careful. However, B17's have no blindspot with all those guns. Even if you pick the right angle, and have speed, etc. sometimes I find it difficult. Fariz, I would love to hear any tactics that you employ to gain such a high success rate - truly!
Nim
Really depends on situation and buff. Do not think I invented anything special, just adjusting tactics to situation.
I have no AH account now, but going to be back soon. Will film some buff hunting and send you or post at the bbs.
Fariz
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Originally posted by minus:
fariz yes you can kill easy a buff if some country man will die at your place and u profit on him but try it only 1 vs 1 when guns waiting your clever atack
[ 08-17-2001: Message edited by: minus ]
Minus, if you let someone to go after buff while you flying YakU, he will get a kill, you will get an assist. So next guess please :)
Why not to try once -- you will get b17, I will get YakU 10 times in the dueling arena -- no country mates, simply 1vs1. And then lets count the result. Must be fun anyway.
Fariz
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Originally posted by StSanta:
One suggestion:
Disable rudder turning when the pilot is in the gunner position.
Amen. Take away the ability to fire through the airframe and better, less gamey, gameplay will result.
MiG
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(http://cwm.ffrepublic.com/s/contrib/owen/luke3.gif) ... I say keep the same stop them from shooting past airframe. Nearly allways get killed in Buff so its not the guns its the operator and the guy who is doing the shooting. that gets you (http://www.contrabandent.com/pez/contrib/owen/tie1.gif) (http://www.contrabandent.com/pez/contrib/owen/vader1.gif)
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Originally posted by StSanta:
One suggestion:
Disable rudder turning when the pilot is in the gunner position.
And take away the Lancaster's historical (at least a semblance of it) defense?
When the tail gunner in a Lanc spotted an enemy fighter he would instruct the pilot to do a corkscrew maneuver in one direction or the other. The corkscrew was a tight diving turn that then becomes a tight turning climb. While the maneuver happened, the tail gunner would blaze away at the enemy.
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Yep, just get straight above a lanc or b17 and film it... see how many tracers come up your way from the buff. You will see MORE than the 2 that can only be tracking you (top turret). You will see 8 of them (top, ball, tail, nose)....and all of them aimed at the exact same MF spot.
Just fix the fire through airframe bug, introduce gun shake on buff gunners (which should be a REAL BAD shake, the human body is NOT a stable gun platform) and make the other guns NOT converge on the same exact spot as the one the human gunner is aiming at... give each gun a 10 degree cone from where the human gunner is aiming in which the other guns will fire at random.
This not only makes the guns on the buffs fair, but also gives the buff gunner a much higher chance of scoring hits on a manouvering fighter. And they will NOT be single ping kill hits either.
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Tac what you see when beeing shot at is not what is being fired on the buffs FE.
HiTech
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Ok, NOW im verra confused. :confused:
While I have the chance, how much Cragganmore for a P-61? ;) :D
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I don't doubt for a second that the is true Hitech. However, I fly the B17- and I CAN tell whats being fired from the bomber on my FE. The ball turret can fire through the entire plane- basically, see my post above for the odd things I've noticed about the guns. Every single one of those was noted with ME firing the guns in offline mode- not with some guy shooting at me while I was trying to gun down his B17.
Also- Fariz, I wouldn't mind seeing film of you taking down a B17 with the Yak-9U. I can't do it in the Dora, and that has twice the firepower.
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Originally posted by Creamo
Whats the reason again for not having more than 1 guy in your bomber?
Also, since the formations in WWII dropped when the lead bomber did, what's the argument for not having laser guided bombs, but rather AI to fly with you? Say like a wing of 4 bombers, 1 piloted, 3 AI.
Seems like you would just spawn into the surviving bombers when you got killed. With reduced accuracy, you would need more bombers, it would be a hell of alot of fun carpet bombing, not to mention the effects, and at the same time guns could be turned WAY down.
AI ack works fairly well, I dont mind it, but I know guys from WBS hated AI gunners in the buffs. Oto or something like that. How come?
I want royalties if this works.
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Creamo. Give me 6 numbers from 1 to 53 please, and no repeats. No later than tomorrow. :D
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LOL!
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I cannot condone gambling Nifty, but what the hell.
3,7,12, 41,42, and 52. (The Power ball number will cost you 24 Million.)