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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Tumor on September 27, 2003, 06:14:44 AM
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Dunno if this has ever been discussed here but here goes...
Do we maintain control of our aircraft while blacked out? Lets say I've pulled way too many G's for way too long and I'm blacked out... does my aircraft still respond to stick input? (I wouldn't know as I usually hit auto-level when I know I'm about to black out)
If so... what happens in real life? As a matter of fact, how does partial blackout affect human reflexes? I'm pretty sure I still have complete normal control even when I'm "pin-holed" in a partial blackout. Is this correct... does the human body allow this? Should HTC perhaps look at causing stick input to gradually become more sluggish as blackout (or redout) increases?
Reason I'm bringing this up is because I saw in another thread someone said a Voodoo5 allowed you to see badguys even when in total blackout, AND for a short while I had an ATI 8500 that did the same (with certain drivers anyway).
Don't know if it's all that big a deal but I figured it was worth asking.
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blackouts seem to be purely visual, with the player retaining control even at full blackout.
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The human body does allow partial blackouts, it can take them, but it is very difficult on the body. As you may know, for every G you pull, Your body weight is doubled, so if you weigh 150 pounds normally, when you get to 2 Gs, the force of gravity makes your body feel like it weighs 300pounds, at 3 Gs 450, 5 Gs 600 etc....
The following is an exerpt from a study done by the FAA about G effects on pilots:
4. G'S AND THEIR PHYSIOLOGICAL EFFECTS. A G may be thought of
as the force or "pull" of gravity upon a body. On the earth,
this pull causes the body to have a certain weight. When an
elevator, car, or airplane accelerates, slows down, or changes
direction, objects and occupants appear to move, be thrown, or
centrifuged (they experience an acceleration) in the opposite
direction. These changes, occurring in speeding up
(acceleration) or slowing down (deceleration), may be referred to
as G's. For example, consider a pullup from a dive as
illustrated in Figure 1. The amount of G experienced by the
pilot depends on how vigorously the pilot pulls back on the
controls and how readily the aircraft responds. Assume, however,
that the pilot "pulls" +4G's; if the pilot were on scales, he or
she would appear to weigh four times his or her usual weight.
The G's in this case are designated with a positive (+) number
because of their direction. Now, imagine a pushover at the start
of a dive (Figure 2). The aircraft changes direction in such a
way that the pilot tends to be thrown upward and outward. The
pilot may have the sensation of weightlessness; indeed, if the
pilot were on scales, he or she would weigh less. The notation
used would be in a negative (-) numbers because of the direction
of the acceleration in relation to the axes of the body.
For the rest of the study, go to
http://www1.faa.gov/avr/afs/ac91-61.txt
As for in AH the G effects do not effect anything except the visual screen as it may turn black in a hard turn and red in a dive. You do maintain control of the aircraft, even when you cant see. What i do if i go into a blackout, is predict where the ground is and try to pull up into the air, then wait for the blackout to go away, or i hit autopilot for it to correct me if im over a flat ground. From my experience no matter how hard i pull on the stick, the G effects do not damage/hurt the pilot in any way, just make the screen go black or red.
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I know that if you pull for an extended time at full blackout you'll loose control for a few seconds.
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I suspect that you maintain full control when you're blacked out, but you could test easily enough by going offline and filming yourself during extended blackout maneuvers. When you watch the film, you are not blacked out. It's also interesting to note in watching the film that while blacked out you can pull MUCH more than the supposed 6-g limit.
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It's both. First you just loose vision. Stay there for a bit or pull harder and you will be unconsious.
HiTech
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I blacked out pulling out of a dive, I knew the ground was coming up close so I kept pulling back on the stick. About then I ripped both wings off my P-51B, and then came out of the blackout.
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Hitech speaks!
Is it a sign?
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i would never do this, but if i err i know a guy who, when blacked out in a dangerous attitude, hits the x key to engage the auto pilot until the blackout is gone. how 'bout that subconcious conditioning?
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Originally posted by bockko
i would never do this, but if i err i know a guy who, when blacked out in a dangerous attitude, hits the x key to engage the auto pilot until the blackout is gone. how 'bout that subconcious conditioning?
Heck I do that all the time. Gamey? Ya, but your still hangin it all out for any bad guys around. Besides, with the big maps and limited flying time considered, it's better than crashing and having to re-do that 30 minute hop to the fight.
Neato! Contrary to all rumors, HiTech LIVES!!
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Who's this HiTech guy?