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In possibly the most challenging project in Gallup's history, 1,178 people in Iraq's capital were interviewed in August 2003 with researchers conducting hour-long, in-person interviews on all manner of topics currently affecting Baghdadis. The voices of Baghdad's citizens have not been heard -- until now.
In the first rigorous, scientifically conducted sampling of public sentiment in Iraq, residents of the country's capital say -- by a 2-to-1 margin -- that the ousting of Saddam Hussein was worth any hardships they might have personally suffered since the U.S. and British-led invasion.
(Unfortunately, in order to read the whole thing, we'd need to subscribe to gallup.)
Anyone got the heart of the article?
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LIES!!!
DETH TO AMREEKA!
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Well, the report is good and bad...
WASHINGTON - Most residents of Baghdad say that ousting Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) was worth the hardships they've endured since then, says a Gallup poll that shows they are divided on whether the country is worse off or better off than before the U.S. invasion.
Two-thirds, 67 percent, say they think that Iraq (news - web sites) will be in better condition five years from now than it was before the U.S.-led invasion. Only 8 percent say they think it will be worse off.
But they're not convinced that Iraq is better off now — 47 percent said the country is worse off than before the invasion and 33 percent said it is better off.
The Gallup poll of 1,178 adults was conducted face to face in the respondents' household from Aug. 28 through Sept. 4 and has a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points. Gallup plans to poll extensively in the coming months and years in Iraq and has established a center in Baghdad to coordinate the polling effort.
The survey found that 62 percent think ousting Saddam was worth the hardships they have endured since the invasion. In the five months since coalition forces defeated Saddam and his armies, Iraq has faced continuing violence, electrical outages, job shortages and civil unrest.
Six in 10 said they have a favorable view of the new Iraqi Governing Council, but most see its priorities as set by coalition authorities. Half said the coalition authorities are doing a better job now than two months ago, while 14 percent said they were doing a worse job.
Richard Burkholder, head of the Gallup team in Baghdad, said residents of the city of more than 6 million were eager to talk with his researchers and most who were contacted agreed to be interviewed in their own homes. Gallup drew its sample from different neighborhoods throughout the capital.
(I wonder how this poll would fare in various regions)
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Of course its mixed - the country went through 20+ years of nearly continous warfare or isolation and was just now invaded - the rebuild and restoration will take time.
Hoever I'd much rather focus on the negatives and totaly ignore the positives.
DETH TO GREAT SATAN BOOSH! DETH TO AMREEKA!
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Hoever I'd much rather focus on the negatives and totaly ignore the positives.
DETH TO GREAT SATAN BOOSH! DETH TO AMREEKA!
Hey, why not.
I mean that's what the liberals and a good portion of the world are doing because they have a personal hate for GWB.
But hey, they care about people!:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Hey, why not.
I mean that's what the liberals and a good portion of the world are doing because they have a personal hate for GWB.
But hey, they care about people!:rolleyes:
Well put. So much of this due to their irrational hated for and uppity arrogance towards Bush.
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The longer we are there, the worse it will get.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
The longer we are there, the worse it will get.
I disagree.
I believe the situation will only improve over time.
It's this incredible fear everyone has about reliving Vietnam that will paralyze this country.
Iraq is NOT Vietnam. Only Vietnam is.
Don't let fear get in the way of what needs to be done.
No one wants to see our servicemen in harms way...well, I'm not so sure about certain european countries, but....
we have to see the job through now. If we walk away, we are abandoning 26 million people.
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sixpence is right!!! Look at this country! We've been here for more than 200 years and look at how bad things are here!
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Originally posted by medicboy
sixpence is right!!! Look at this country! We've been here for more than 200 years and look at how bad things are here!
That made alot of sense.
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Ok, I'm Going to go real slow here sixpence.
Ahhh He!!, if you don't get it by now than its pointless.
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Originally posted by medicboy
Ok, I'm Going to go real slow here sixpence.
Ahhh He!!, if you don't get it by now than its pointless.
Yeah, I guess it worked out real well for the indians.
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Originally posted by muckmaw
I disagree.
I believe the situation will only improve over time.
After all... after fifty years, things are going swell in Israel.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Yeah, I guess it worked out real well for the indians.
Anyone living in this country today has the same chance as everyone else to have a very good life, it's not the goverments fault that some people are self destructive.
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Originally posted by medicboy
Anyone living in this country today has the same chance as everyone else to have a very good life, it's not the goverments fault that some people are self destructive.
What does that have to do with Iraq? Smoke another one.
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hmm... this is good
http://www.sftt.org/cgi-bin/csNews/csNews.cgi?database=Special%20Reports%20Hack.db&command=viewone&op=t&id=36&rnd=954.0084476610517
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WOW, you are even more dense than I first thought. I was assuming that you could read into something and use your imagination. Don't make this personal, my first post was just a sarchastic poke at a fellow American, no real harm meant. I know our political views differ and I'm ok with that, I was just mearly pointing out that you don't think we can run a country like Iraq. I think we have done a pretty good job with this one(the USA) but we didn't get here in a few months. Don't expect roses to start growing out of this (Iraq) cow pie for a while, and just because you believe in something doesn't mean your right.... Get it now????
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by bigsky
hmm... this is good
http://www.sftt.org/cgi-bin/csNews/csNews.cgi?database=Special%20Reports%20Hack.db&command=viewone&op=t&id=36&rnd=954.0084476610517
good link
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Originally posted by medicboy
I know our political views differ and I'm ok with that, I was just mearly pointing out that you don't think we can run a country like Iraq.
We were supposed to go there, get saddam, 6 months, get out. Not conquer and run a country. But I guess i'm dense.
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If we did that sixpence, Sadam 2 would stumble into power and this would have solved nothing. It would serve no purpose to go kill Sadam then just walk away and leave the door wide open to the next psycho to come along.
What we are doing is right, no matter how much it cost, and I can think of 2 other countries that should be next, they happen to border Iraq.
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Ahh, ok.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Ahh, ok.
Whatever, :rolleyes:
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i guess if somebody shot at my daddy i would sacrifice alot of po folks to make shore he paid, you know there just "surplus poulation" anyway.
http://www.sftt.org/cgi-bin/csNews/csNews.cgi?database=Special%20Reports%20Hack.db&command=viewone&op=t&id=41&rnd=567.495395454634
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"No one serving with me over here will deny that the removal of Saddam Hussein and his regime of tyrants was a great thing and we are proud of what we accomplished. I will continue to serve my country with honor and I am proud of the men and women and civilians with whom I work. They are all heroes.
But the men and women of Iraq know why we are here. They are very intelligent people and are able to see right through the lies that our President used to justify this war. That is why they view us now as an occupying force and believe it is their Muslim duty to fight us. Sir, you see the trends probably better than I do as an Intelligence Analyst. The attacks are on the rise and it is not the former Ba'ath party members conducting them. The attack last week on a convoy near Al Fallujah that killed 3 soldiers was carried out by a local man fighting for his Islamic belief. He left behind a letter to his family telling them not to mourn his death, but to rejoice it in the name of Allah. The people in his neighborhood call him a martyr. Sir, my unit commander visited the Abu Ghurayb prison to see the damage done by a mortar shell which killed 2 soldiers. His convoy took a wrong turn which took them through a nearby neighborhood. The people were unfriendly and some shouted, "Die, Americans! Die!"."
This is why I believe the longer we are there, the worse it will get. Leave it to the U.N. , bring our boys home.
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* Werther is the pen name of a defense analyst based in Northern Virginia.
LOL, a propagandist that won't even use his real name. I got a kick out of that one.
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this is the one i found was most disturbing since my brother knows Dick C.
http://www.sftt.org/cgi-bin/csNews/csNews.cgi?database=Special%20Reports%20Hack.db&command=viewone&op=t&id=39&rnd=13.245951115809118
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I used to work with George B.
George Billings. What a nice guy ol' george was.
I wonder where he is today?
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All he had to do was what he said he was going to do. Go in, get saddam, 6 months, get out. He would be a hero and a second term would be a lock. We are going to abandon 26 million people? How do you abandon people who do not want you there? The job was to get saddam, not rebuild iraq.
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A concerned officer should say his name and duty station or STFU.
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Big sky, you getting your info the same place Borda gets his???
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I stopped reading that link after the first line...
As the Iraq situation careens out of control...
Geez...
That's the signature of a liberal whos watched too much CNN...:rolleyes:
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I wonder if the dead and the people who lost family members would think it was worth it?
USA has a a power grid go down for 3 days and its news all over the world ,but they havent had power or clean water for how long.
I dont belive any polls taken by anyone due to there always after a result and the questions are alway in a certain direction EG: to make one side feel there just in killing and invading someone elses country.
I dont beilive any one in power and what we see as news is the view of a few powerful people that controll the media.
A poll is just a waste of money ,the real way to tell what the poeple feel about the invasion is how many troops will be killed and the steet party that happends after a us or brit troop is killed ,ive got a good frinds just back from the war this week and she tells a very different story to the new and polls that are taken.
to me a more interesting poll would be ,what do the americans think about going broke for the war ,a poll i saw last night said that theres been a 17% increase in poverty in the us in the last year ,and less spending at home on your services than ever.
All because apparently saddam was going to get the USA ?
with what i not sure but how anything is possible.
Dont get me wrong i am a aussie and i like the usa or i sould say its people which we sould be at war aginst due to the lack of power we have over them anymore and the more war and silly polls about the bad guys only makes for less freedom for us all.
the biggest difference at the moment is there was no war and pollies are doing nothing appart from maybe losing the next election,so why not distract the masses with yet another war that no one knows why it started or why 300 billion + has been spent ,and on what .
anyway ,lifes like that due to the feeling that we are made to feel ,or try to speak out and see how its not nice living behind bars for using your right to protest aginst the state.
Brian washing is apart of life for us all,we sould remmber that we have a brain to use and think for ourselves from time to time ,not just be told how it is .
Polls are great if they get about 100.000 opions other wise its not worth looking at most polls have a 3% error margin which is 3000 people being misplaced in a poll .
But plian as day having my house blowen up no water ,power food etc the death of friends ,family etc wouldnt make me happy and any one silly enough to ask me if it did make me feel better would get a sharp and not sweet reaction .
But after all saddam was a bastard ,before gulf war 1 he had the best schooling in the world, free medical for all ,the best welfare system ,and some of the most amazing engenering feats on the planet.
who would have wanted that ,they were sure better of being bombed ,then the world cutting them off ,eg no food medical supps , i am sure there happy that over 500.000 of there kids die as a result of sactions imposed by the us and the UN ,
theres alway more to every story then we could know ,and i not pretending i know more than anyone else.
But if some countrys didnt play 2 sides at the same time no of this would happen ,
telling iran to steal oil from saddam wasnt a smart move and paying for illegal oil with weapons isnt the right way to trade with a dangerous nation.
thats what started the gulf war 1.
and i dont blame saddam for being pissed ,if some did the same to me i get my fur up too.
so enough whining for me i ran out of chesse .
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But wasn't this all about WMDs ? Any news about them ? ;)
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Originally posted by muckmaw
That's the signature of a liberal whos watched too much CNN...:rolleyes:
Or maybe the signature of a mom who lost a son.
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damn little. and 15000 new us troops when the u.n. turned liar boy down.
didnt they say they didnt need troops 2 weeks ago. (thats 20 or so in dead soldiers in iraq time)
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Bigsky, thanks for the link. I will send it to my father-in-aw.
Everytime I see my father-in-law I ask him how the country is doing, he replies, "Still going down the toilet with Bush in there!"
Im starting to agree with him!
:(
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
damn little. and 15000 new us troops when the u.n. turned liar boy down.
didnt they say they didnt need troops 2 weeks ago. (thats 20 or so in dead soldiers in iraq time)
And CNN claims another soul...
Cue Menacing soundtrack....
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Let me get this straight. Our power grid is ancient and out of date, causing rolling black outs, and just plain blackouts. Our power plants are old and out of date. Our factories are old and can't compete. Our fire depts are being downsized. Our police depts are being downsized. Our roads and bridges are crumbling. Our schools are old and school budgets are being cut, some schools don't have enough books and paper. Funding for student loans are being cut. Iraq sits on the largest oil reserves in the world. And YOU tell me that we owe it to Iraq to rebuild THEIR country? huh??
Who sounds like the liberal now?
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Let me get this straight. Our power grid is ancient and out of date, causing rolling black outs, and just plain blackouts. Our power plants are old and out of date. Our factories are old and can't compete. Our fire depts are being downsized. Our police depts are being downsized. Our roads and bridges are crumbling. Our schools are old and school budgets are being cut, some schools don't have enough books and paper. Funding for student loans are being cut. Iraq sits on the largest oil reserves in the world. And YOU tell me that we owe it to Iraq to rebuild THEIR country? huh??
Who sounds like the liberal now?
Umm, You, you whiney little biatch.;) J/K
Power Grid Ancient: Still works. 2 Stinkin Black outs in 30 years. WOW..what a catastrophe.
Our Factories Can't compete: U.S. is a service economy now. The Industrial age is behind us.
NYPD: About the largest it's been ever.
Student Loans cut: Bout time the little tree huggers get a job!
We don't owe anyone anything, but it's the right thing to so.
Stop listening to the news...the sky is not falling.
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How can anyone not get it that we need to be over there in that part of the world??
As far as I'm concerned, I don't care about WMD - whether they are there or not. It just doesn't matter. We need to be over there.
I don't know whether Bush and Blair "sexed up" a rationale to invade Iraq. I just don't care.
I see Bush's job as doing whatever it takes to keep America secure. On the grand scale, if the world were a giant chess board, its obvious (to me) that we need to be over there.
I never expect politicians to tell the truth to the people. I don't believe we can effectively interact in a world where it is only Americans that have to be transparent, while every other country is allowed to withold the whole truth, or to be covert, or deliberately decieve.
I'm not saying that I believe Bush and Blaire have deceived the world or the Americans and British about why we needed to invade Iraq. I'm just saying I would understand if they did do this.
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<<< Our schools are old and school budgets are being cut, some schools don't have enough books and paper. >>>
my county is building three new schools, maybe you need to pay more taxes.
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here is where i get my news from;
http://www.hackworth.com/
here is the straw
http://www.msnbc.com/local/kulr/m328401.asp?0ct=-302
hmm, so we are in full control of the situation? then why are people being sent home missing parts? i thought the war was over.
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Originally posted by bigsky
here is where i get my news from;
http://www.hackworth.com/
here is the straw
http://www.msnbc.com/local/kulr/m328401.asp?0ct=-302
hmm, so we are in full control of the situation? then why are people being sent home missing parts? i thought the war was over.
Who told you the war was over?
Where was it said we are in total control?
Keep drinking the Kool-Aid, Sky.
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Umm, You, you whiney little biatch.;) J/K
[/i]Power Grid Ancient: Still works. 2 Stinkin Black outs in 30 years. WOW..what a catastrophe.[/i]
You must be new to rolling blackouts and midwest power plant pollution in the east(acid rain)
Our Factories Can't compete: U.S. is a service economy now. The Industrial age is behind us.
Yeah, not a factory in the U.S.
NYPD: About the largest it's been ever.
I could not dig up info to confirm this( you did not supply a link
Student Loans cut: Bout time the little tree huggers get a job!
Yeah, a nation of burger flippers, that will make us a great nation( I guess all those foreigners we are training can come fill the good jobs)
We don't owe anyone anything, but it's the right thing to so.
So let's give all our $$ to every poor nation( cause it's the right thing to do
Stop listening to the news...the sky is not falling.
No, but the value of my dollar is
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Who told you the war was over?
Well... technically, you can't really have a war until the other side shows up... nevertheless... I believe Bush declared a victory in Iraq and IIRC, it was while showboating on an aircraft carrier.
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I thought Bush did a superb thing by flying out to the carrier for his announcement of the end of major hostilities.
His announcement was accurate and well recieved by crew, the military and the nation.
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i like kool-aid. its cheaper than pop.:confused:
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Originally posted by bigsky
i guess if somebody shot at my daddy i would sacrifice alot of po folks to make shore he paid, you know there just "surplus poulation" anyway.
http://www.sftt.org/cgi-bin/csNews/csNews.cgi?database=Special%20Reports%20Hack.db&command=viewone&op=t&id=41&rnd=567.495395454634
How would you feel if a foreign government shot at your President?
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Well... technically, you can't really have a war until the other side shows up... nevertheless... I believe Bush declared a victory in Iraq and IIRC, it was while showboating on an aircraft carrier.
What speech were you listening to, Sandy?
He declared an end to major hostilites but was very careful not to delcare and end to the conflict. IIRC, he even went so far as to warn the listener that the war was far from over.
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Originally posted by AKIron
How would you feel if a foreign government shot at your President?
Wow, you mean Chilean commandos haven't yet invaded and whisked Kissenger away to the world courts, what gives?
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Whew the problem is worse than I feared. It would seem to me that the liberals, at least on this board, suffer from convenient memories.
1. Bush never said we'd be in and out in 6 months.
2. Bush never said the war was over.
3. Bigsky, it's called a war. People die and get horribly disfigured, it sucks, but it's part of war. Remember we're at war and have been for a little over 2 years now.
jeez you people are freakin short sighted idiots.
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Udie, I've been trying to point that out for months now, they won't get it. They want to crawl back into their hole and live a pre 9/11/01 life.
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Our local news carried 2 stories on Iraq yesterday.
1. A joint Iraqi / US operation to arrest suspected Fehdayin. Considered successful, led by Iraqis. Good news.
2. American soldiers teaching American football to Iraqi kids.
(bloodthirsty media?)
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It's interesting how some here have decided to look only at the favorable parts of that survey....here's a part of it not posted here:
Countrywide, only 33 percent thought they were better off than they were before the invasion and 47 percent said they were worse off. And 94 percent said that Baghdad was a more dangerous place for them to live.
Using only positive or negative parts of a survey is SOP for those pushing an agenda.
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dont care what they think:D
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Iraq surely won't be another Vietnam.
But.. umm.. another Palestine? Anyone? :(
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Our local news carried 2 stories on Iraq yesterday.
1. A joint Iraqi / US operation to arrest suspected Fehdayin. Considered successful, led by Iraqis. Good news.
2. American soldiers teaching American football to Iraqi kids.
(bloodthirsty media?)
2 examples out of thousands daily?:rolleyes:
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OK, going out on a limb here. I'm gonna go to 3 major news services CNN, MSNBC and Fox and get all the Iraq news items for today... lets see what happens (actually typing this before I look)
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btw negative= antibush/war positive=supportive bush/war
MSNBC -
1. 8-hour battle follows new bombings (soldier killed - pretty negative)
2. Lawmakers eye Iraq costs, intel - Rice, Powell reject claims
of vague WMD intelligence (negative)
3. Iraq, 9/11 still linked by Cheney Meeting between Atta, Iraqi agent has been widely discredited (really negative)
4. Dude, where’s my coalition? - Op-ed page (negative)
5. The rat of Baghdad Tales of media malfeasance and bribery in Iraq (actually pro Bush - dumps on Saddam pretty hard and on the media in Bahgdad pre war positive)
Fox
1. U.S. Troops Come Under Attack in Iraq (kinda negative)
2. U.S. Troops Take On Syrian Border (positive)
3. U.S. to Give U.N. Stronger Say in Iraq Elections (positive spin on negative story... )
CNN
1. U.S. soldier dies in Iraq convoy attack ( same story - negative)
2. Homefront's joyful reunion, uneasy goodbye (very positive story, kinda negative headline)
Overall pretty negative slant.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
After all... after fifty years, things are going swell in Israel.
Yeah....those dirty Jews....it's all their fault
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Originally posted by Sixpence
We were supposed to go there, get saddam, 6 months, get out. Not conquer and run a country. But I guess i'm dense.
Bush never said that....he stated the opposite many times....long and protracted ring a bell?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
btw negative= antibush/war positive=supportive bush/war
MSNBC -
1. 8-hour battle follows new bombings (soldier killed - pretty negative)
2. Lawmakers eye Iraq costs, intel - Rice, Powell reject claims
of vague WMD intelligence (negative)
3. Iraq, 9/11 still linked by Cheney Meeting between Atta, Iraqi agent has been widely discredited (really negative)
4. Dude, where’s my coalition? - Op-ed page (negative)
5. The rat of Baghdad Tales of media malfeasance and bribery in Iraq (actually pro Bush - dumps on Saddam pretty hard and on the media in Bahgdad pre war positive)
Fox
1. U.S. Troops Come Under Attack in Iraq (kinda negative)
2. U.S. Troops Take On Syrian Border (positive)
3. U.S. to Give U.N. Stronger Say in Iraq Elections (positive spin on negative story... )
CNN
1. U.S. soldier dies in Iraq convoy attack ( same story - negative)
2. Homefront's joyful reunion, uneasy goodbye (very positive story, kinda negative headline)
Overall pretty negative slant.
thanks for proving my point? :confused: I sure do wish we could just get the stories without all the spin.....
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Originally posted by Sixpence
All he had to do was what he said he was going to do. Go in, get saddam, 6 months, get out. He would be a hero and a second term would be a lock. We are going to abandon 26 million people? How do you abandon people who do not want you there? The job was to get saddam, not rebuild iraq.
Again....where was this stated as our objective and by whom?
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Why the confusion Udie?
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Well... technically, you can't really have a war until the other side shows up... nevertheless... I believe Bush declared a victory in Iraq and IIRC, it was while showboating on an aircraft carrier.
What a BS statement....why don't you post what he really said here so the rest of the readers can see how you twist the truth to suit your position....man, you must be trollin or are just confused.:)
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Our local news carried 2 stories on Iraq yesterday.
1. A joint Iraqi / US operation to arrest suspected Fehdayin. Considered successful, led by Iraqis. Good news.
2. American soldiers teaching American football to Iraqi kids.
(bloodthirsty media?)
Don't even try MT....this positive turn by the media only began a week ago after they were all criticized...shame on you for you junk:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Why the confusion Udie?
Well I thought you came in here and posted about 2 positive stories and then I said yeah 2 out of thousands daily and then I thought you were going to prove your point and find positive stories then you came back with "pretty negative slant" So it made me think we were on the same side. THAT"S what confused me :D [edit] well ok, that and being Udie :D
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We're always on the same side dude! Truth Justice and the American way!
I said I'd post what I found and thats what I did...
This was interesting - same story
CNN - U.S. soldier dies in Iraq convoy attack
Fox - U.S. Troops Come Under Attack in Iraq
So is the death important enough to put in the headline, or is that just sensationalism by CNN? Orrrrr is Fox bending over backward to make anything sound more positive?
I say both.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
We're always on the same side dude! Truth Justice and the American way!
I said I'd post what I found and thats what I did...
This was interesting - same story
CNN - U.S. soldier dies in Iraq convoy attack
Fox - U.S. Troops Come Under Attack in Iraq
So is the death important enough to put in the headline, or is that just sensationalism by CNN? Orrrrr is Fox bending over backward to make anything sound more positive?
I say both.
ok look. We have got to stop agreeing. Where am I supposed to go get all maniacle and crazy if I come here and you start posting stuff that I agree with? HUH? WHY THAT MAKES ME CRAZY AND MANIACLE!!! :D :lol
sigh... trying to have a good day here. This new news kinda has me depressed today, thanks for helping me find some laughter today....
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Originally posted by Rude
Don't even try MT....this positive turn by the media only began a week ago after they were all criticized...shame on you for you junk:rolleyes:
No need to apologize... I know you're sorry.
:p
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Originally posted by Rude
What a BS statement....why don't you post what he really said here so the rest of the readers can see how you twist the truth to suit your position....man, you must be trollin or are just confused.:)
You're right... there can't be a victory without an exit strategy... my bad. :p
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Originally posted by MrLars
It's interesting how some here have decided to look only at the favorable parts of that survey....here's a part of it not posted here:
Countrywide, only 33 percent thought they were better off than they were before the invasion and 47 percent said they were worse off. And 94 percent said that Baghdad was a more dangerous place for them to live.
Using only positive or negative parts of a survey is SOP for those pushing an agenda.
who is worse off..
Bathist
Sadam loyalist
Fedaheyn
Iraqi military commanders.
Who is better off..
pretty much everyone else...
btw ask that question 6 months from now and then call it a spin.
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Originally posted by Rude
Again....where was this stated as our objective and by whom?
So you are saying that he said we would be there several years before the war? Plz post a link and the date of that link.
BTW, if anyone has what he said before the war, plz post. I thought he said we were going in, getting saddam, getting out. I don't remember him saying we were staying there several years to rebuild the place.
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so far im getting a good laugh out of this post, and so are a couple friends of mine when i told them that i was called a liberal. liberal, please. all the posts ive made were critical of the purpose of a war with iraq. from what ive seen, clearly the evidence is not there. show me the WMDs? wasnt saddam trying to get uranium from africa? no. the guy sent there to investigate that wrote a newspaper artical saying that and somebody outed his wife as a CIA agent. that was clever, put her and all the agents whom she met with at great risk. so far the concrete is starting to harden on my opinion that the war is just something to take our mind of the poor economy. no thats not a liberal opinion. but i am thinking that it was a mistake to cut short my deer hunting trip, scareing the old people, to vote for bush covered in blood. so, i did some looking and found you something liberal for your viewing pleasure....
http://www.takebackthemedia.com/onearmy.html