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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: lazs2 on September 29, 2003, 08:53:39 AM
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Besides "hi... my name is Michael moore." He claimed that the news media in the U.S. exagerates the dangers here and focusus on the things that freighten people. Does anyone still watch the news on TV or read the papers? I do like the fact that some right wing news shows are on... A kinda balance but not really.... both the left wing ones and the right distort the facts.
He also pointed out that if you are Canada and have a long porus border with the U.S. then you probly have a buffer zone instead of a problem.
lazs
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I don't have to watch the evening news. I can quote if from memory...
Murder
Fire
Murder
Violent Crime
Ripped of Senior Citizen
American School kids blow a test
Some foreigner does something stupid
Fat Weather Guy does something goofy.
Pretty much covers it.
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Originally posted by lazs2
Besides "hi... my name is Michael moore." He claimed that the news media in the U.S. exagerates the dangers here and focusus on the things that freighten people. Does anyone still watch the news on TV or read the papers? I do like the fact that some right wing news shows are on... A kinda balance but not really.... both the left wing ones and the right distort the facts.
He also pointed out that if you are Canada and have a long porus border with the U.S. then you probly have a buffer zone instead of a problem.
lazs
I haven't seen the film. I'm not much of a fan of people who use politics for entertainment purposes. Too often the politics is massaged into entertainment through distortion of the facts.
I remember one instance in particular in which the local news' exaggeration of a danger caused a severe backlash from its viewers. A couple of years ago there was a hurricane churning up the Atlantic and the local news kept doing news breaks to tell us the tracking and probability of it coming our way. Every time they did this, they did the usual "Items You Should Stock" and "Precautions You Should Take", complete with shots of panicked people at the grocery store and home improvement store grabbing stuff off the shelves like the world was coming to an end. As the news show did its opening and closing "bumpers" (the part with the station logo and opening music) they always used this driving dead-serious orchestration, kinda like the fight music from "Star Trek" as the Klingon warships closed on the Enterprise, or the music used in the de Beers commercials, or the theme from "Jaws" all rolled up into one 5-second pulsing chord.
Quite frankly, it scared the crap out of the local population.
And then the hurricane never hit.
We got some rain, some wind, but nothing more severe than what we get any other day.
People complained. They had been driven into a near-panic by the news reports. They thought they were about to die. The news station had exaggerated the danger and given excessive updates because, quite frankly, there wasn't anything else to report about. The station issued an on-air apology (but only once, and if you weren't watching the noon report - and so few people do - you never would've heard it).
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I enjoy the teasers...
"Something in your home will probably kill you! That story later."
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I enjoy the teasers...
"Something in your home will probably kill you! That story later."
"The popcorn your eating's been pissed in..film at 11"
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I didn't really focus on Moore's narrative in this doc... er, movie. The interviews were enough, especially that paranoid guy who slept with a loaded .44 Mag under his pillow - friend of Timothy McVeigh's brother. The interview with Heston was interesting - what part of that was a lie?
What I find to be even more fascinating than the BfC movie is the obsession with this movie on the part of the pro-gun lobby. What with people trying to reclassify it - not a documentary, and folks campaigning for the Oscar award to be rescinded. Are some of you guys for real? :rofl
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Fox news recently won a defense decision in a lawsuit brought on by cattle companies complaining that FOX outright lied when it listed the hazards of eating non-organic beef. Fox did not win by showing supporting data, they won by claiming that there is no legal obligation for the news to tell the truth. Anyone want to know why this wasn't a big news story with any of the other news agencies?
MiniD
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"Russian Tanks roll down Jersey Turnpike...film at 11"
:eek:
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I was driving home from work a few years ago and a Tropical Storm was passing by offshore. Well the weather was cloudy and a light rain, no wind over 10 or 15 knots, not really an event.
What I saw at an intersection was really so telling, A news crew was filming, the usual stuff, you know the rain hitting the street and cars driving through 2 inch deep puddles and a news reporter with rain coat and microphone in her hand talking into the camera. Down low and out of the shot was her helper shaking the stop sign next to her to simulate wind, I laughed my aszz off. This is what the news has lowered itself to, if its not good enough, make crap up.
That evening I tuned to the station that had the crew I saw and sure enough she was standing there in the rain talking about the storm and how we should be prepared, and the stop sign was just a shaking (her hair was standing still lol). Later they zoomed in on the cars driving in the 2 inch deep puddle, as she said how driving in deep water is very dangerous.
Just made my day really, never trust the press
"if it bleeds it leads"
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"Stormwatch 2003!!"
"Jim we are currently experiencing widespread spotting on BMW's all over Malibu..... We'll keep you posted."
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Are you in danger? A story no family can afford to miss....tonight on a current affair
Tronsky
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"You sister is *****ing the mailman...film at 11!"
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Think nothing in your house could blow up in the next 5 minutes? Think again. That story and more after sports.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
"Stormwatch 2003!!"
:lol One of the great things about DirecTV... no more knucklehead networks from Los Angeles.
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Not ragging on the US (I would never do that!) but I was pretty disappointed with US news reporting. Living in a place like Concord,CA it was impossible to buy a decent quality broadsheet newspaper, with worldwide coverage and a decent editorial. It would be things like the "Oakland Times" - full of local nonsense, and advertising. Same is probably true in Dixon. In Chicago, you had the Sun Times - a crappy paper, at least until it was taken over by Anne Robinson's first husband - not many people know that!
On TV, I remember Walter Jacobson announcing the "Emmy award winning ten o'clock news..." - do I care if the news won an emmy, when I'm trying to find out what's going on in the world? But LOL - all the news would be local Windy City news; all this crap about city aldermen greasing eachother's palms etc. Public services - and who was paying for them. Absolutely mindnumbing for a mere *alien* like me.
But there was a glimmer of hope - the USA Today paper. Is it still 50¢ ?
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I sleep with a loaded gun on the nightstand. sometimes it's even a 44mag... mostly a 45 tho with tritium three dot night sights. wouldn't do me much good downstairs in the gun safe.
USA today is more of the same and has the same liberal "progressive" slant as 99% of US papers. Local papers are no worse than the big ones just a smaller version. Mostly they tell you what to think. they are the writers opinion with all objectivity thrown out. They don't even pretend to be objective anymore.
They know that blood sells... they know that 1 gun is worth ten drownings for ratings. They don't like guns in any case. the guys and gals in front of the cameras are empty headed manequins.
The interview with Heston was indeed a lie. The man was certainly suffering from the first stages of altzheinmers and the dates that moore used for the rallies were not true.
The whole so called "documentary" was a lie... it also avoided putting the blame where it really lies.... A very rich country with an insatiable appetite for drugs with a 1500 mile long porus border with a third world country. I would say that if you took out drug related homicides with firearms that our rate would be about the same as Canadas. Moore avoided that because he would be blaming himself and all of his hip friends instead of a bunch of old white guys that aren't hip and progressive.
He was right about the news media tho.
He is a dishonest deformed little troll that blames me because nobody likes him.
lazs
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I woulda been impressed if moore woulda got about a dozen people that were maimed by gangbangers bullets and marched over to the local gangleaders headquarters and demanded that they all get rid of all their drugs and promise not to sell anymore drugs.
or even if he had parties where he told all his friends that they were supporting murder and ather crimes every time they jammed a straw up their nose.
The Kmart thing was a cop out. hiding from the real cause because the truth wouldn't sell.
lazs
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Lazs,
The thing about threads like these, and the one that Hooligan started about the campaign to rescind Moore's Oscar, is that they simply give Moore extra publicity. When people read about a bunch of NRA supporters campaigning to have a movie Oscar rescinded, well that just makes people go "huh?", and want to see the movie for themselves. If everyone would have kept quiet, perhaps folks like me would never have heard of Moore or his movie.
Margaret Thatcher made the same mistake in 1985 by banning Peter Wright's book about MI5 (British internal security service - sort of like the FBI). Because the book was banned, it became a bestseller. People just bought it overseas as I did. But it was a boring book, and would have gone unnoticed but for all the hoopla.
By starting threads like this, you're playing into Moore's warm, live hands. ;)
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beetle... I don't care if he gets the publicity or not... I believe that his movie is so bad and stands up to scrutiny so poorly that it proves my point better than I could have myself.
I think that the hypocricy should have been obvious but once pointed out even a blind man could see it.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
beetle... I don't care if he gets the publicity or not... I believe that his movie is so bad and stands up to scrutiny so poorly that it proves my point better than I could have myself.
What was your point then?
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liberal "progressive" slant as 99% of US papers.
fallacy lazs. During the 2000 election over 58% of the circulation in the US was from papers endorsing Bush, and even a higher percentage of the papers themselves.
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beetle... you didn't read far enough.. I said that it shoulda but... once pointed out...
I think some people simply have no clue about the effect drugs and their widespread sale and use have in America or... Have never put guns and drugs together in the same context... that of the homicide problem in America.. some are simply foreighners who see only the shooting statistics.
moore is being extremely dishonest by implying thruout the "movie" that it is paranoid, frieghtened white people shooting other whites and noble blacks that is the reason for the large amounts of gun violence in America.... Nothing could be farther from the truth and he knows it. He is intentionally lieing to push an agenda that is false. I also believe that he is trying to focus attention away from the real problem.... I don't believe he is doing it very skillfully but I believe that other deformed little trolls like himself are allready convinced so he has no problem in pushing his agenda to awards committees.
MT... I don't know if simply endorsing a president in an election would constitute being not progressive... I mean... there weren't a lot of choices. When I read the papers they seem to have a liberal slant on everything.... real hand wringer stuff.
lazs
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I'm not familiar with Local British TV News, do they even have local stations? Anyway here's the format for American Local Evening News:
:00-:02 Big story of the day (local or otherwise)
:02-:05 Local news
:05-:08 Commercials
:08-:10 National/ World News
:10-:12 Commercials
:12-:14 Expose/ Shock Story
:14-:16 Commercials
:16-:20 Weather
:20-:23 Commercials
:23-:27 Sports
:27-:29 Commercials
:29-:29.45 The Feel Good / Warm & Fuzzy Human Interest Story
:29.45-:30 Entire Cast gathers at desk, Smiles and Laughs