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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: rogwar on September 30, 2003, 01:32:12 PM
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Found this site....
http://www.filmsite.org/drst.html
Do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk, ice cream? Ice cream, Mandrake? Children's ice cream!...You know when fluoridation began?...1946. 1946, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual, and certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works.
http://wso.williams.edu/~mhacker/strangelove2.html
I bought the special edition DVD. Every time I see this movie I discover something different.
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You know, I actually forget how funny that movie is, and have to be reminded every few years. It has to be one of my top 10 favorite movies though.
-Sik
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Did an in depth article on fluoridation in the late 1990s. Put a Dr. Strangelove notation in the lead, but dropped it when the editor didn't get it :) There's actually some validity to the anti-fluoride position, and some legitimate concerns over getting too much fluoride from both natural sources and consumer products.
Charon
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Nice avatar.
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Originally posted by rpm371
Nice avatar.
Thanks! Slingblade was an interesting movie.
The other was more or less temporary.
Yours is cool as well with the motion! :D
I gawt no reason ta kill nobody...Mmm-hmm.
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I work in the water/wastewater field... flouride is a deadly poison in fairly small amounts. We should be careful with it... it is part of a mnufacturing process (a byproduct of aluminum) that is hazardous waste. It is a godsend for the manufacturer to get rid of the stuff by dilluting it to non leathal levels and feeding it to us.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
I work in the water/wastewater field... flouride is a deadly poison in fairly small amounts. We should be careful with it... it is part of a mnufacturing process (a byproduct of aluminum) that is hazardous waste. It is a godsend for the manufacturer to get rid of the stuff by dilluting it to non leathal levels and feeding it to us.
lazs
I never knew that.
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Ah, well (ground) water... sweet, iron infested well water :D
I grew up on well water. When I moved to Milwaukee for college it took a LONG time to get used to the taste of "processed" water.
Horrible, simply horrible. Water filters are a wonderful thing
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Originally posted by Modas
Ah, well (ground) water... sweet, iron infested well water :D
Why did they put iron in the water? Are people in Wisconsin short on iron?
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Why did they put iron in the water? Are people in Wisconsin short on iron?
LOL!! You're not serious are you? :D :D
Well water is just that, water right out of the ground. It doesn't go thru water treatment like the water in a town or city.
Where I grew up, the water had a lot of iron dissolved in it from the ground. Gave it a nice metallic taste. Kinda like chewing on the wingspar of a 109 :D
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Look at British teeth, or East Texas teeth, for that matter. I'll take the flouride, thank you.
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Originally posted by Modas
LOL!! You're not serious are you? :D :D
Well water is just that, water right out of the ground. It doesn't go thru water treatment like the water in a town or city.
Where I grew up, the water had a lot of iron dissolved in it from the ground. Gave it a nice metallic taste. Kinda like chewing on the wingspar of a 109 :D
So if it wasn't there naturally, would you put iron in it?
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Originally posted by lazs2
I work in the water/wastewater field... flouride is a deadly poison in fairly small amounts. We should be careful with it... it is part of a mnufacturing process (a byproduct of aluminum) that is hazardous waste. It is a godsend for the manufacturer to get rid of the stuff by dilluting it to non leathal levels and feeding it to us.
lazs
Yeah... mention that to someone who works in the dental industry and you'll get a fight. I've got three dental hygienists/assistants in my family and they get all heated up whenever I voice my opinion of fluoridated water. :)
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Originally posted by Sixpence
So if it wasn't there naturally, would you put iron in it?
No, I would not go and specifically add iron to it. Iron doesn't taste particularly good. However, after drinking it for 18+ years, you don't taste it anymore (cuz all the taste buds are dead :D)
When I moved out of the sticks, switching to processed water (i.e. chlorinated, flouride) all the other crap that's been put into it was a big change. To this day I still can't drink city water without making a face. :p
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Nice troll lazs.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Gadfly
Look at British teeth, or East Texas teeth, for that matter. I'll take the flouride, thank you.
Here we go again... :rolleyes: Have you ever been to Britain, Gadfly?
Lazs, I think we've had fluoride in the water for about the last 40-50 years. I don't have a problem with that. They experimented with 1 ppm (part per million), and then upped it to 3ppm. At that level, the results showed that it did have a positive effect in reducing tooth decay. At higher concentrations, people ended up with mottled teeth.
Yes, I've experienced that brown iron laced water - LOL -nothing wrong with it really. The water where I live is not pleasant - hard, with limescale. I have a water filtering carafe which I use for drinking water.
BTW, I'm seeing my dentist and dental hygienist the day before the minicon. Just a coincidence - not planned because I'm going to be seeing you guys. :lol
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So you're saying that floride in the water really doesn't have anything to do with the horrid state of British teeth?
MiniD
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That doesn't really make sense, MiniD. A more logical snipe would sound like:
"So you're saying that the copious amounts of sugar and lard in American 'food' doesn't have anything to do with the number of fat bastards in America?"
I hope that helps.
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British People Teeth
(http://www.dentalgentlecare.com/images/Calculus%20bridge.jpg)
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That image is from http://www.dentalgentlecare.com
Which happens to be the homepage of a dental practice in... Nebraska.
Is that Nebraska, a small village just outside of London?
:rofl
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It's OK dowding. Keep trying and you might make the world forget about GB's reputation for horrible dental hygene. Though... I doubt it.
MiniD
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Im not really sure where I stand on flouride being added to drinking water. I do know that flourosis can be a real problem both cosmetic and heathwise if you were exposed to too much flouride when your were young.
However I grew up with flourinated water and dont really have any problems, though it has been found that almost 50% of people that were exposed to even small amounts of flouride as small children do have problems.
That being said, I have no teeth problems whatsoever and have never had a cavity etc... but after moving to a community that has never had flouride added to the water I noticed a marked increase of dental problems in the people I associate with.
Whether flouride can be called the main factor in the difference I noticed or maybe how I was taught and practised good oral hygeine and they did not is too difficult to say.
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Originally posted by Dowding
That image is from http://www.dentalgentlecare.com
Which happens to be the homepage of a dental practice in... Nebraska.
Is that Nebraska, a small village just outside of London?
:rofl
ROFL Dowding! You've succeeded in exposing the US dental gibe as a sham. Picture taken in Nebraska, indeed. That west London village might have been Neasden. :lol
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Originally posted by lazs2
I work in the water/wastewater field... flouride is a deadly poison in fairly small amounts. We should be careful with it... it is part of a mnufacturing process (a byproduct of aluminum) that is hazardous waste. It is a godsend for the manufacturer to get rid of the stuff by dilluting it to non leathal levels and feeding it to us.
lazs
I work in the instrumentation and control business. I have worked in water but nowadays I mainly work with the mining, minerals processing, and cement industries, however my company does a lot in the water/waste water industry. Plus my Dad was a superintendent of a water treatment plant for 30 years. I used to go out there a lot.
You are correct in that Flouride in it's pure form (like they inject in drinking water) is some really nasty stuff. It's difficult to maintain injection and measurement equipment because it is soooo corrosive.
It is true as well that it is a by-product from various manufacturing processes and that it would be very costly to get rid of using an accepted waste disposal mehtod.
As they say in the wastewater industry....Dilution is the Solution :D
No joke. That's a common saying. I work with industry.
In similar fasion, there is another chemical, Benzene, which is a by-product of petrochemical processes. It's rather dangerous, toxic, probably carcinogenic, and very very difficult to dispose of by burning. In fact, you cannot burn Benzene in a typical chemcial waste disposal facility and come anywhere close to the emission guidelines for what would be coming from the stack. Benzene can be used in other manufacturing processes, however a lot more benzene is produced than can be used.
Well so what's the solution? Benzene is added to gasoline as an anti-knock and/or octane modifier (or something to that effect). It is diluted to the extent that in your engine it can be burned and the point of emission, your car's exhaust, will generally be within guidelines. Benzene is disposed of a lot using the gasoline method so to speak. It's perfectly legal and within guidelines.
The humanity....our precious bodily fluids.....
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waters fer washing, beer be fer drinking
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rogwar... the soution to pollution is dillution is correct... I also like "every time you flush your toilet you put bread on my table.
Your example of benzene is a good one. but... if we didn't have benzene as a by product we would have to make it. Amuch better example of a hazardous waste by product that is doisposed of by "dilluting" with gasoline is MTBE.... Have we all figured out how bad an idea that was yet?
Flouride is benifical for childrens teeth. It is probly not that good of an idea to force the entire populace to ingest it tho. Air and water are hard to live without... not a lot of choices. All I said was we should be careful with flouride or anything we put in the water or air.
Flouride treatments for children at the dentists office are much more effective than the flouride levels that are present in most flouridated water supplies. Also....
not sure in this climate if it is such a great idea to have such a large amound of poison so close and available to our water supply.
soo... you're an instrument tech? I could use a good tech.
lazs
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Lazs! You're slipping! I can't find anything in the above post to disagree with - except perhaps the spelling. It's fluoride, not flouride. :D Flouride is possibly an additive to that bread you put on your table;) Other than that, erm...
... kind of glad that fluoride has been in the water. I don't think I've suffered any long term poisoning. Besides, I've always used a fluoride toothpaste. Some kids that I was at school with in the early 60s did not have toothbrushes or toothpaste. Heck, some of them didn't even have a bathroom with running water, so didn't have the means to clean their teeth. The only way to help them was fluoride in the water. I think the pluses outweigh the minuses.
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Yeah but now that every home has running water, toothbrushes why do we need to add the fluoride? It should be down to the parents to look after their kids. Especially considering there is fluoride in the toothpaste.
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Originally posted by lazs2
rogwar... the soution to pollution is dillution is correct... I also like "every time you flush your toilet you put bread on my table.
Your example of benzene is a good one. but... if we didn't have benzene as a by product we would have to make it. Amuch better example of a hazardous waste by product that is doisposed of by "dilluting" with gasoline is MTBE.... Have we all figured out how bad an idea that was yet?
Flouride is benifical for childrens teeth. It is probly not that good of an idea to force the entire populace to ingest it tho. Air and water are hard to live without... not a lot of choices. All I said was we should be careful with flouride or anything we put in the water or air.
Flouride treatments for children at the dentists office are much more effective than the flouride levels that are present in most flouridated water supplies. Also....
not sure in this climate if it is such a great idea to have such a large amound of poison so close and available to our water supply.
soo... you're an instrument tech? I could use a good tech.
lazs
There are truly double edged swords with all of this. It's the price we pay so to speak. I was wanting to be sure to just talk about facts as opposed to saying whether something was good or bad.
I'm an Industry Manager - Mining & Cement for Siemens Process Instrumentation (formerly know as the following companies Milltronics, Moore, and Applied Automation). I have been 10 years with the Milltronics side of the business. You have likely heard of Milltronics.
One problem is that Flouridation causes me to deny women my essence. They seek me out but I always deny them my essence.