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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Dima on December 05, 1999, 05:18:00 PM
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Guys, may be I don't understand something, but what is so special about Aces High? What makes it different from another on-line flight sims? And $29.00 a month seems to be rediculus, Fighter Ace is a much better game and it is only $10 a month. Please don't get offended, I'm not saying AH is a bad game, but to my look it looses to its competitors and has higher price or may be I don't know something if so, please explain.
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FA doesn't even fit into category of simulators. It's probably one of the worst attempts at simulating anything...
You can't even compare those two products. Unless you don't really care about realism in which case you're right - FA is the place..
I checked out FA2 few days ago. In and out of the HD in 30 minutes flat. Pathetic.
AW3 is better then FA and has the same price.
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Bartlomiej Rajewski
S/L fd-ski Sq. 303 (Polish) "Kosciuszko" RAF
www.raf303.org (http://www.raf303.org)
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Dima.. there is simply no comparison between 'simulations' like Aces High and Warbirds, and even to some extent 'Air Warrior', and 'games' such as 'Fighter Ace'.
AH, WB and AW always attract a completely different crowd from those who flock to FA.
And that is just great IMHO.
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C.O. Phoenix Squadron
www.users.bigpond.com/afinlayson/index.htm
'feel the heat .......'
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What is more realistic about AH?
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everything
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This flight model would be in a similar bracket to warbirds (they have the same creators)
This is a link to a website that reviews flight models not the game see what they say about warbirds. www.pctestpilot.com (http://www.pctestpilot.com)
Welcome to the world of simulation give it a chance and be rewarded 100 fold.
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Fighter Ace is a much better game and it is only $10 a month.
You cant be serious?!?
I really dont want to start putting any sim...er game down but even if Figher Ace was free I still wouldnt play it. I tried a flight "sim?" on my brothers playstation and it was at least as good if not better.
Rosco
[This message has been edited by rosco- (edited 12-05-1999).]
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I have never seen a game that sucks as much as Fighter Ace II. I deleted it after 15 minutes of playing. The graphics were circa 1994-95 quality (e.g., before 3-D). No realism whatsoever, althought the Lancaster is tempting. It could carry 24x500lb bombs. What REALLY sucked was that the bombs were dropped four at a time, enabling the Lancaster to hit only six targets.
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rendar
F/S R.A.F. Squadron 303 (Polish)
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Didn't see WBs mentioned specifically when following your link jcmmaul. Course i'm pretty stupid too. Would like to see what you are talking about...could you plz direct me there? Thx...az
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Oops like i said i'm pretty stupid jccmaul
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Dima(dozen),
You don't seem to understand. When you feel a tug on the line you have to jerk hard to set the hook. But be careful. When you get one really frothing at the mouth you have to give him some line and play him a little. For instance, I sense Curly circling your bait right about now. (LoL! J/K)
Wab
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Fighter Ace is an Arcade style game like AW3.
Neither of the 2 can compete with AH or WB in flight,damage and balistics modeling. Allthough AH being is in beta, there are a few things that still need tweaking.Really would like to see balistics dispertion soon.
TTs uber Spit,La5,N1K2 are all massively over modeled & need to be toned down to the level of the p51 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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You left out my favorite. the 190.
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WHAT is it that AH simulates??
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"Fighter Ace" is Xwing vs Tie Fighter in wimps clothing.
The only redeeming value the sim has is as a breeding ground for cannon fodder in the more realistic flight sims. When those guppies realise there is more out there beyond that stagnant duck fugg puddle pond they wallow in they come around to where the big fishes cruise.
The flight <cough> model sukks. The graphics blow. And the community is predominately
punk bellybutton 'Oakley' sticker plastering the side windows of thier 1977 Datsun B210 toejam box type dUdZ.
<yawn>
You DID ask me what I think.
When you tire of being an "x" eyed bloated carp, come and play with the sharks in the deep end of the pool.
Curly
[This message has been edited by Curly (edited 12-06-1999).]
[This message has been edited by Curly (edited 12-06-1999).]
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FA set the tone for FAII, I Hated FA. I tried it a few times, went to the newbie arena and saw more hacking than a Warz convention. Finally made enough points to hit main arenas and went to realistic, but after being Blown out of the sky by my 3rd mach 3 fighter (realistic my #*$#) turning 180 degrees in 3 seconds I decided it wasnt for me and went back to WB's.
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Rick "Firefox" Scott
VMF-214 / MAG 11
WB ID: firefx
AH ID: FirefxAT
Have Gun Will Travel
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The first post started with a reference to FA2 and most if not all replys were about FA1.5. There is a difference between the two flavours of Fighter Ace. If you dislike the "game", fine. AH is not everybodies cup of tea either. And there are some good sticks in FA, whether anyone thinks they measure up to the AW,WB,AH standards or not.Time will tell if the "game" wienies can hack it against you big leaguers <g>
I'd like to reply to Dima, and say that AH is a more realistic Sim than FA, simply flying the Aeroplane is a learning expierence where as in FA you crank it up and pull back. Fighting in AH is unlike anything that FA, E-management and the simple acknowledgement that gravity exists is a big departure from the VR1 product. The nuances of AH seem to be so many that each flight and fight is unique (to me) and that is why I enjoy AH so much at this time. FA2 has added tanks and trains etc, I understand that AH will also. All I can say is if the current work is continued as it has, that Aces High will blow away FA in the graphics and game play depts.
I cant let the slams against the FA community go completly by the board tho.
(Hiya Curly ;-)
Cant say for sure what you mean by "punk ass" but you are right that alot of them are new to any type of online game much less sims, alot are young. Give them time to grow up and learn.
To tell the truth tho in AH I see alot of the same type of behaviour and flying. ie, base hugging, massive lop sided numbers on teams, continually hammering the newbie that shows up asking for help as he is shot down 8 times in a row. Maybe this is standard fare in all Sims.?
Swim with the sharks, maybe, but only if I can keep my eyes and mind open as I take a bite and fly home.
JimBear_DD
FA1-2 2yr
WB 2wk
AH Forever!
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Thank you for all of your replies, I guess you convienced me to give AH second chance and really learn how to fly.
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Hmmm....... who is Dima........??
Propaganda stunt?
Never flew even once online via scores,but
is registered here.
HEHE
Too funny
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Shameless chest thumping warning.
I wouldnt write off the gamers to quick. I was an aca dweeb in WB. And was considered just another easymode player. Well, within a couple of days of starting AH I was in the top ten (pre buffing requirement). Ive taken on as many as 4 cons by myself. Killed them all and flew home. I see my pal mitsu,s (ranked #1) name pop up in my Killed by TT messages from time to time. I feel like i can hold my own with just about anybody in AH.
We dont have any way of knowing what a guy played before. But I have a hunch Ive had my butt wacked more than once by a FA player.
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Comparing FA2 to AH is like comparing Apples to Oranges. But everyone has to start somewhere. Todays targets are Tomorrows greatest threats.
There are more FA folks in AH then you might think. (Devildogs, Flying Elvises to name a few). Some are cannon fodder (yours truely) and some are to be feared. The point being every sim has it's place. Consider FA a stepping stone to the more advanced sims (flight model wise). I personally love the challenge the learning curve is steep but well rewarding.
Toffer aka Tof_DD
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Well said JimBear and Toffer.. I am a product of FA and there will be alot more coming as soon as they phase out FA 1.5. Most of the pilots in 1.5 dont like FA 2.0 due to lag and serious frame rate problems as well as the FM. You will be seeing some very good sticks coming into this game.
Granted they will need some time to become familiar with the different rides in here, but there SA and tactics are all ready ingrained. As for myself, I still suck, but God Help ya if I'm on your six. I do live for the stall fight...
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Member of the Flying Elvis's AH's most elite parachute team...
[This message has been edited by Cleaner (edited 12-06-1999).]
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Some one asked "what is this a simulation of?" It is a simulation of ACM using planes from the late WWII era. Nothing else. The Flight Models are not complete, there is more strategy and other vehicles comming, this is not a completed sim.
I have never flown FA online. I downloaded it, started it, flew it for 5 min and deleted it. It is not for me. That is not to say that it shouldn't be for anyone. I just don't care for it. I look for immersiveness and a feeling of "flying through airspace" that only this sim has been able to approach in my opinion. I have heard that Falcon 4 is the best flight model. May be, havn't flown it mainly because I like prop planes. I flew the original Falcon for almost a year straight because at that time I felt it had a most realistic FM and decided I needed to try late model jets.
Dima, this game, simulation, or whatever you want to call it isn't for everyone, but I feel if you are looking for a life like experience flying air combat maneuvers and wanting to shoot someone down, this is the place to be.
MarkAT
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Great thread!
I cut my teeth in FA. Got my butt kicked by a ton of people, then learned to use padlock (yes the APG-63 variety padlock..LOL!) Then came to a great game (so far) like this with no pad...hehe. I have really gotten used to flying without. Feels really weird flying games that have it now.
I can't wait til they get most of the features enabled in this game. I will be flying mucho!!!
Of course, I am drooling for B-17 II to be released. Can't wait to see how many times I have to `ditch' or bail in that one, just cuz I oversped the prob, left the supercharger on below 12, etc.
I flew realistic in FA. What a silly spin model...hehe. I just like flying somewhere that has cockpit views only, no glass cockpits. Hell, If you fly a game with glass cockpits, you can throw most of those tactics we read about from shaw (Gunfights <BG>, or all the aces, mostly out the window. Ever tried rolling scissors in a game with glass cockpits? Whats the point if the enemy doesn't have a nose on his plane you can disappear under.
Well, anyway, Dima, this sim is much tougher. But when you get the hang of it, it is very rewarding. Hope to see you in the AH skies soon!
Woof! to all the guys from FA who have made it over here! Hope your having as much fun as I am!
LB-HAM!
Sundog
VMF-111 Devildogs
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Ok. I loaded up FAII to see what the hoopla was all about. After reading the articles on the DogFighter web site and alot of the criticism on the sim here, at AGW and on some AW boards I find that ......
.....most of it is warranted.
But this post is not to praise nor roast FA II. Nope. FA II is a good idea and plan wrapped around a substandard and arcadish sim. Has some nice features that some sims have not done. Maybe one day the goals and ideas will be rewarded with a good program that will take advantage of them. Anyway. This post is a segway to another topic brought up and that topic was "icons".
Last night some way or somehow I lost ALL icons on all aircraft. Friend and FOE. Yes indeed. It is a most interesting experience to say the least.
It is far easier to get jumped (and if the others lost them too) it is FAR easier to be the jumpee. Oddly my kills per flight rose significantly and I attibute that to having to having to constantly swivel my head keeping my eyes open for the enemy which actually allowed me to spot them sooner. No more neon ICONS hollering here I am and for me to chase.
I also had to get REAL close before firing.
Don't want to kill friendlies after all (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
And closer of course means maneuvring better and being able to get more punch with each pull of the trigger.
And it's easy to lose a bogy in a turn fight too. Lose em and your dead - quite often.
But the key was each "country" had thier own planes. So if I spotted an F4U and I was ina KI-61 I *knew* he was a bad guy.
I'm *ALL* for removing icons now. AH graphics are far superior to FA II and if I was able to id a con at 800 yds with some ehavy duty squinting I should be able to ID them at the same range without buggin my eyes out in Aces High.
--Westy
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Ok Dima, I agree with Jimbear on this one, I have flown FA online and didn't even look at FA2 that aside, AH WB are great piece's of SIM work IMHO, but remember AH IS BETA and still early in it too, what you may think a short fall right now is not the final product so give it some time yet, It is free !! so I think everyone can afford some time,
I also think your Question was a good one, you don't have the back ground on AH or WB that most of the others do, other wise you would not have asked the Question. No Worries Mate, you can wing up with me any time an I will help out as best I can.
NOW ! I normally don't flame people but... I have read about enough Crap from some of you guy's who think your god's gift to online flight sims you have an opinion thats all so does anyone else, but to insult and call down some one you do not know is going to far!! Apologies are in order if your not grown up enough to admit it. then maybe you should GROW UP !
Guns out.
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How did you know if the guy was enemy. No matter how close you are you cant tell without an Icon. looked at radar?????
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Pongo, in the Territorial Combat arena that I flew in the aircraft are seperated by country. So if you fly an F4U you will NOT run inot an enemy flown F4U. And inside of 700-900 yards or so you can easily tell the blue colouring of the plane and at about 500- 600 you can tell it is an F4U. And of course
the radar coloured pip confirms they are enemy if you have the radar activated.
-Westy
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"Comparing --- to -- is like comparing Apples to Oranges."
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OKAY! all my life I have heard this apples versus oranges thing! What did the apples do to piss off the oranges? Are oranges that much different from apples? Why do apples think they are similar to oranges? Conversely, Oranges and apples are as alike as they are different! How does the statement "comparing apples to oranges" work? Whats the point???
Will someone get me fixed on this whole matter!
Thanks,
Yeager
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I come from the advanced realistic arena of Fighter Ace and FA2. This is where the Musketeer's hung out with the MercSheep, Devil Dogs, Howling Banshees, WarMachines,
and TS squads. We had a great time fighting other squads with "no tags". Now of course none of us would ever match the fliers of WarBirds or AirWarrior<G>, we had a great time just the same. Still the arena had the same rules and physics for everyone. So what you could do with your plane was relative. The dog fighting was as good as I have seen anywhere else. Anyone who knows those squads will tell you we had great fliers who ate, slept, and watermelon aviation and airplanes<G>. Sometimes it's not the flightsim or game, but the "people" who make it work...I hope Aces High will keep this attribute. Salute Duke! Goodnight StingDoctor where ever you are!
Thorns_Musketeer
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My $.02.
Started in AirWarrior September of 1997. I still find it a good sim. I have many friends in that community!!
AH has been alot a fun to watch as I started from the begining. It, for me, is a very difficult sim to fly. This is good as the challenge will always be here!! There is a huge difference between AirWarrior and AH. AH, I think, is on the cutting edge and will set the standard for others.
I think there is room on the net for all sims, the cutting edge ones, and the arcade sims. They all will attract their market. The real question here is exciting!!! Where will this all lead???? What kind of new products and gear will be designed? It seems to me that the advancement of puters and stuff associated with it are changing on a daily basis!! (Wish I were 30 yrs younger!!!)
My only wish for AH is to have a community half as good as the one I enjoy in AirWarrior. What I have seen so far AH is on it's way to a fine community!!
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The problem, Yeager, is that oranges are grossly overmodeled, as a result of all the designers basing the modeling on the propaganda put out by the Great Orange Conspiracy(tm). (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Flathat
'Black Dahlia'
No10 RNAS "The Black Flight"
Angel on your wing, devil on your tail
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Yeah Flathat, and don't forget about the intentional porking of the white seedless grapes (modeled WITH the weight of seeds, even tho they're seedless)!!! and the purple seeded grapes which are the entire wrong hue of purple.
AND we won't even got into the vintner (wine) variety of grapes, which would totally rule the fruit bowl if modeled properly.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Vermillion
WB's: (verm--), **MOL**, Men of Leisure,
"Real men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires ;) "
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Bein' a score hoar doesnt mean ur any good, just means you're not challenging urself. Anyone can hang out in the crowd, hover over ur base to ack run, or just hover over the fights and drop down on an outnumbered and disadvantaged nme for score.
Seems to me that the score hoars are the same guys that let their countrymen get gang banged while they just hang out above waitin fer the easy kill. Pretty Lame.
CRASH
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Westy,
sorry didnt read carefully thought you where in AH
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Good troll, I'll bite.
Hard not to weigh in with .02 All IMHO
FA 1.5 is not a flight sim.
FA 2.0 is a gigantic step from 1.5 towards being a flight sim. Notice I did not say it was a flight sim.
It is impossible to compare FA 1.5 to WB AH or AW because they are not the same types of game at all.
FA 2.0 is a step towards competing with WB. Step towards.
IMHO most FA flyers are not looking for a flight sim; very very few actually fly in any of the "Realistic" rooms. IMHO the vast majority of FA flyers are a totally different crowd than you will find at WB or AH -- looking for a game vs. a flight sim.
AH flyers are the hardest of hard-core simmers, especially after AH goes out of beta.
I have flown FA for almost two years now. Last spring I began to tire of FA 1.5 and tried out WB for a few months. Before last spring I didn't even know there were other online sims (ok so I live a sheltered life (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif). I liked what WB offered. New Guinea was the hands-down best time I've ever had online.
The only reason I have not flown AH more is that I really have little time to play these days and need to dole out the time very carefully. I find AH to be quite fun and I enjoy the challenges of flying here. To tell you the truth, I am not even sure if I will make it past the beta in AH, and that makes me sad becuase I like this game too. I will have to work on that.
FA 2 is a step in the right direction for what I am looking for online. When I want more of a challenge or a change of pace I will fly AH for a while. I have not flown WB since June. Never tried AW.
IMHO it all comes down to what you are looking for in your online fun. I am satisfied with FA 2 right now although I do come to AH sometimes because it is a totally different kind of fun, both in gameplay and difficulty. More challenging for me.
I believe a large part of the community at FA is friendly and fun and it's a big reason I've stayed there. Part of my job is to make sure that the ones who are there to be idiots and ruin it for others, know that they need to change attitudes or leave (blunt- but I don't know how to sugarcoat it). I also think that a large part of the community is there for the social aspect vs. the flight sim aspect.
In closing I just think you can't compare FA 2.0 with AH. Apples and oranges was a good term already used. Sorry if this post reads like a bunch of thought barely connected by a fraying thread to a common topic.
AH Fury
FA mleigh
WB -jacko
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I wouldn't mind giving it a try 'offline' but I can't even get it to run. Says something about expecting Voodoo Graphics at the splash screen (tony?). I can't find a config or anything to change, anyone got any ideas? I have a TNT card.
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nevermind
[This message has been edited by ra (edited 04-28-2000).]