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hahah I love it. you made your bed now lie in it fat boy
strk
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Phil Sheridan | Penalize Rush for illegal use of the mouth
By Phil Sheridan
Inquirer Columnist
The sick thing is, this is exactly what ESPN had in mind when the all-sports network hired veteran provocateur Rush Limbaugh for its Sunday NFL pregame show. You can imagine the meeting. The ESPN bigwigs must have needed drool cups to handle the runoff when they discussed the controversy Limbaugh would generate.
Well, here it is. Just be advised, ESPN, that you're not fooling anyone. You brought this tired act out of his radio closet, where he rants to people who already agree with him, to stir things up. Prepare to get spattered.
The smart thing would be to ignore it. Thing is, nobody ever called sportswriters smart. So there you have it.
Limbaugh's idea of commentary Sunday involved an absurd attack on Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb and on "the media" that have overrated him because "the media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. There's interest in black quarterbacks and coaches doing well." McNabb, Limbaugh said, isn't "as good as everyone says he has been."
Here's your mistake, Rush. You stepped out of your radio comfort zone, where "Dittoheads" either echo your twisted view of America or you can cut them off. You stepped into a place where your bluff - and that's all it ever has been - is easily called.
The only thing tough about this is deciding where to begin. How about with "the media"?
Conservative sleight-of-hand artists like Limbaugh love to use the label "the media" (alternately "the liberal media") as a kind of blanket insult. Well, guess what, Rush? You've got a nationally syndicated radio show. You have your own Web site. You had a national TV show. Now you're on ESPN every Sunday morning.
You.
Are.
The.
Media.
Was that slow enough for you to grasp? You are the media. You're a part of them, anyway. Just like this paper and the others that have covered McNabb since he came to the Eagles in 1999. Just like the radio stations that thrive on Eagles coverage and just like ESPN, which has set the bar for overpromoting athletes so high that no other outlet will ever come close to hitting it.
Second, let's take on the idea that the phantom "media" have hyped McNabb because of some agenda. A little history might be in order.
In 1985, Randall Cunningham was drafted by the Eagles. At his first news conference in Philadelphia, an older white reporter asked him, "What makes you think you'll ever be able to read NFL defenses?"
In January 1988, it was considered major news that an African American quarterback named Doug Williams was starting in the Super Bowl for the Washington Redskins. During the pregame week of hype, Williams was famously asked, "How long have you been a black quarterback?"
To his credit, he calmly replied that he'd always been a quarterback and he'd also always been black. Then Doug Williams went out and earned the most valuable player award in that Super Bowl.
The point is, this ground was covered a long time ago by those of us who cover sports for a living. Nobody is perfect, of course, but McNabb's tenure here has been marked by coverage that focuses on his performance, his progress and his work ethic. That includes positive coverage as well as negative.
From the most matter-of-fact wire service report to the most outspoken talk-radio shouter, McNabb's race has not been an issue.
Until now. Until Rush Limbaugh and his mouth made it an issue. But why is anyone surprised? This is the same man who once told an African American caller to "take that bone out of your nose and call me back." The same man who once said, "Have you ever noticed how all composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?"
With that record - kept by a group called Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting, or FAIR - ESPN gave this guy a job commenting on a league in which the majority of the players are black. ESPN, which is essentially a corporate partner of the NFL, gave this job to Limbaugh even as the league struggles with its own notorious paucity of minority coaches and general managers.
Finally, there is the substance of Limbaugh's statement, that McNabb isn't as good as the media say and that he's gotten credit that should go to the Eagles' defense. Anyone who has watched this team for the last three years would know that is laughable. The defense has been very good and has gotten due credit. But McNabb has been good much of the time, very good some of the time and great on occasion. Talk to his teammates and to his opponents and you hear the kind of respect that someone like Limbaugh would know nothing about.
It is telling that Limbaugh pounced on a two-game slump by McNabb to advance his own pathetic agenda. It's a shame that Steve Young - who didn't become an effective NFL starter until he was plugged into the great San Francisco 49ers' offense in his eighth pro season - lent credence to Limbaugh's doggerel by suggesting that Koy Detmer would run the Eagles' offense better.
Fortunately for McNabb, his record speaks for itself.
But then, so does Limbaugh's. Unfortunately for ESPN, as long as he's on the air, Limbaugh's record speaks for the network, too.
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Contact columnist Phil Sheridan at 215-854-2844 or psheridan@phillynews.com.
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Limbaugh Says McNabb Overrated Because Of Race
Commentator Made Remarks On National TV
What People Are Saying: Limbaugh-McNabb Viewer Comments, 1-20 | Comments, 21-40 | Comments, 41-50 | Comments, 51-70
It's a story that much of the NBC 10 viewing area is discussing: conservative commentator Rush Limbaugh's remarks that Eagles star Donovan McNabb receives too much praise because of his race.
There was little comment from the Eagles organization on Tuesday morning after Limbaugh's remarks in a pregame football segment on ESPN.
Asked by other panelists about McNabb's recent performance on the football field, Limbaugh said, "I think the sum total of all you are saying is, that Donovan McNabb is regressing . . . He's going backwards. And my, I'm sorry to say this, I don't think that he has been that good from the get-go."
Limbaugh, who appears as an analyst and commentator on the TV show, went on to say that:
"I think what we have here is a little social concern in the NFL. I think the media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well, of black coaches and quarterbacks doing well, and I think that there is a little hope invested in McNabb and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn't really deserve. . . . . The defense carried this team."
Listen To Limbaugh's Commentary on http://www.rushlimbaugh.com
McNabb told the Philadelphia Daily News in its Tuesday editions that, "It's sad that you've got to go to skin color. I thought we were through with that whole deal."
McNabb played well in Sunday's game in Buffalo, leading the Eagles to a 23-13 win over the Bills. But he had poor games in the Eagles first two losses against New England and Tampa Bay.
NBC 10 is trying to contact the Eagles and Limbaugh's organizations for comment, and will have a full report on NBC 10 News First At 4.
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http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/news/local/6894891.htm
Rich Hofmann | So now he's a color analyst, too
By Rich Hofmann
hofmanr@phillynews.com
Rush Limbaugh says that if you believe Donovan McNabb is a really good quarterback, it isn't because he is a really good quarterback. It's because you have a secret desire to see a black quarterback succeed in the NFL.
Now, who isn't offended by that? Who isn't offended on about three different levels? And when is this nonsense ever going to end?
Limbaugh works for ESPN now, at least on Sunday mornings. He is there to be controversial. This week, as his co-conspirators on the set tried to figure out what was wrong with McNabb following his 0-2 start this season, Limbaugh told them this:
"I think the sum total of what you're all saying is that Donovan McNabb is regressing, he's going backwards. And...I'm sorry to say this, I don't think he's been that good from the get-go.
"I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL. I think the media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. They're interested in black coaches and black quarterbacks doing well; I think there is a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of his team that he really didn't deserve. The defense carried this team...
"I think he got a lot of credit for the defensive side of the ball winning games for this team."
A short argument ensued on the ESPN set - that's why Limbaugh is there, to start short arguments - but it was a football argument and nothing more. Limbaugh's black-quarterback comments were ignored. His easy dismissal of everything that McNabb has accomplished was not challenged. His cavalier, hurtful words were left to sit there and sting. On the central issue, nobody took the bully on.
And so, on national television, McNabb was allowed to be reduced to a stereotype once again. He lives, he breathes, he quarterbacks - but it has never been that simple for Donovan McNabb and you wonder if it ever will be.
You read the old articles from when he was in high school and you see where colleges that even bothered with him were recruiting McNabb only as an "option" quarterback; code word.
You read the stuff that was written when he was coming out of Syracuse and see countless references to what an "athletic" quarterback he is; code word.
You read the articles today and you see way too many times where McNabb is categorized, unthinkingly, almost reflexively, as a "running" quarterback; code word.
And now this Limbaugh. It is to the point now where it isn't even provocative anymore. It's just tired. It's such an old, stupid song.
If you took 5 minutes to look at the statistics and to study the history of the game, you would see that McNabb is for real. After 2 years as a starter - that's when he built this reputation of being an elite quarterback, before he broke a fibula last season - McNabb's numbers absolutely blew away the early numbers put up by guys to whom he is often compared, guys like Brett Favre and John Elway. The stats aren't even close.
But it isn't even that. It isn't how many games McNabb won, or how many big games. It isn't how he routinely refuses to make the big mistakes - going into this season, his interception percentage was third-lowest in NFL history. It isn't that in the most important quarterback stat - touchdown-to-interception ratio - McNabb was fourth all-time in the league. It isn't that his physical toughness is unchallenged, or that his teammates have followed him from the day he showed up in 1999.
That's football stuff. This is much bigger than that. Because the notion that the media somehow had to invent McNabb's excellence because it needed a black quarterback to portray as successful just mocks the reality of the NFL in 2003.
Look around, Rush. Arguably the best quarterback in the NFL today is Tennessee's Steve McNair - who, the last time anyone looked, is black. McNair is just old-school excellent. He's a technician. He's tough as a boot. His leadership skills are unquestioned. He was a yard short of winning the Super Bowl a couple of years ago, nearly beating what might have been the best offensive team the NFL has ever seen.
And that's just for starters.
As McNabb said yesterday in a conversation with the Daily News' Les Bowen, "What about [Michael] Vick? What does that say for Daunte Culpepper or Aaron Brooks or Quincy Carter? Culpepper is playing really well right now. What does it say about that?"
There are good black quarterbacks everywhere you turn these days, Rush. Nobody has to invent their success for them because they're succeeding all by themselves.
If you want to make a football argument about McNabb, fine. None of us yet knows what his final football accounting is going to be. None of us knows if he is going to win championships. All we know is that there is a stack of numbers that says McNabb has built a better foundation than almost anyone as we enter the prime years of his career.
At one point Sunday, ESPN's Tom Jackson said that the Eagles have made their big-money investment in McNabb and have to stick with him.
Limbaugh replied, "I'm saying that it's a good investment. Don't misunderstand. I just don't think he's as good as everybody said he has been."
But if you disagree, if you think McNabb is a better player than Limbaugh does, he says it must be because you are somehow blinded by the color of McNabb's skin.
With that, you can only wonder about what's sadder: that Rush Limbaugh insists on living in such a world, or that he insists on dragging Donovan McNabb into it with him.
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Rush to unemployment?
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http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/256-09302003-169165.html
Limbaugh off base with McNabb comments
This was silly. This was stupid. This was Rush Limbaugh speaking about the NFL on Sunday, about Donovan McNabb, about race and the credit a quarterback deserves for his team's success. This was a powder keg bound to blow.
The reactions to Limbaugh, to his conservative views and the national radio show on which he disseminates them, are always visceral. Those reactions are the reason ESPN hired him this year as a regular contributor to the network's NFL pre-game show, an obvious attempt to spike the show's sagging ratings. It is always this way with Limbaugh: He never inspires indifference. He is either loved or loathed. You suspect the latter in Philadelphia now.
Sunday, Limbaugh joined Chris Berman, Tom Jackson, Steve Young and Michael Irvin on the panel of "NFL Countdown." A few hours before the Eagles finished off the Bills, 23-13, the panel discussed the Eagles' 0-2 start and McNabb's struggles. This is what Limbaugh said:
"I think the sum total of what you're all saying is that Donovan McNabb is regressing. He's going backwards. And I'm sorry to say this: I don't think he's been that good from the get-go.
"I think what we have here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well - black coaches and black quarterbacks doing well. I think there's a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of his team that he really didn't deserve."
Subtlety isn't why almost 600 radio stations in the country carry Limbaugh's radio show, and there's precious little subtlety in his remarks about McNabb. He is often impish during his radio programs, but he seemed serious here. He brought the tips of his toes to the very edge of good taste, very nearly suggesting that people consider McNabb a good quarterback only because he's black. He didn't quite say it, but he came damn close.
If Limbaugh had simply expressed a belief that McNabb is overrated, that he is too highly regarded by those who cover and comment on the NFL, he merely would have been the latest in a line that includes Troy Aikman and Phil Simms to criticize McNabb. There is an argument to be made that McNabb's inaccuracy as a passer and the Eagles' success without him last season show he is not as valuable or talented as people might think. The argument is incorrect - even with his flaws, McNabb remains one of the five best quarterbacks in the league - but at least it's a defensible position.
And there was one portion of Limbaugh's comment that rang true - his reference to "social concern in the NFL." One cannot deny that truth with respect to the league's push for more black head coaches. Its owners have instituted a ridiculous policy by which a team trying to hire a new coach faces a fine if it doesn't interview black candidates. The league should have more black coaches, but time and social pressure are the answers - not some half-hearted affirmative-action program that insults the very people it means to promote.
But by combining these two arguments - McNabb is overrated, the NFL is fixated on race - Limbaugh created one that is laughable on its face. The notion that anyone affiliated with the NFL - the executives, the coaches, the media - wants McNabb to succeed because of his skin tone is ludicrous.
It's one thing for the league to institute a race-based policy for hiring coaches; coaches come cheaper than players and are easily fired. There's little risk for the owners there. But no owner will stake millions of dollars and the future of his franchise on a black quarterback, on the most important position on a football team, just to fill a quota. Owners want to make money. Owners want to win. Owners don't want to assuage guilt. And even if the league as a whole had such an agenda, why wouldn't it tout Steve McNair, a better quarterback, or Michael Vick, a flashier, more marketable quarterback, instead of McNabb?
So somewhere today in the Delaware Valley, in a newspaper, on a talk-radio show, in a water-cooler conversation, someone will tell it this way:
Rush Limbaugh was on ESPN on Sunday morning, and he said the only reason Donovan McNabb is considered a good quarterback is because he's black.
He didn't say that. Not quite. But, man, he came close. Just the way ESPN wants him to. Philadelphia surely loathes him now. The network surely loves him.
Mike Sielski is a sports columnist for Calkins Media. He can be reached at msielski@phillyBurbs.com.
September 30, 2003 6:10 AM
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McNabb disregards Rush's idiocy
By Les Bowen
THE WORLD MUST look a whole lot different, when you have your head firmly lodged in your hindquarters.
That's the only explanation I can figure for Rush Limbaugh's ugly insinuations during Sunday's pregame show on ESPN, when Limbaugh blithely smeared the accomplishments of Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb, suggesting that McNabb gets more credit than he deserves because he is black.
I have to believe that to McNabb and his family, the world always has seemed pretty much the opposite of what Limbaugh outlined. When they moved to mostly white Dolton, Ill., from the South Side of Chicago, for example, and their house was vandalized while they were getting ready to move in, the McNabbs probably didn't see this as one of the benefits of being black. And Donovan recalled yesterday that he didn't feel terribly privileged when he was looking for a college and kept hearing from Midwestern schools about what a fine running back or defensive back he would make - guess those coaches weren't in step with the master plan of the media and the NFL to boost black QBs.
"It's sad that you've got to go to skin color. I thought we were through with that whole deal," McNabb told the Daily News yesterday, when Limbaugh's comments were relayed to him.
McNabb, who played terribly in the Eagles' first two games before getting back on track in Sunday's victory at Buffalo, has gotten used to being criticized for many things, from working out too much to getting married. He hadn't heard about Limbaugh implying he was a beneficiary of some sort of gridiron affirmative action, but he said he didn't care about it and wasn't going to worry about it.
"Not at all," McNabb said. "I don't get caught up in all that."
Limbaugh - hired by ESPN despite a lack of any sort of football credentials, probably just so the network could get the kind of publicity these comments will generate - spoke up Sunday after hearing fellow analysts Steve Young and Tom Jackson speak of how McNabb had regressed during the Eagles' first two games.
"I don't think he's been that good from the get-go. I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL," Limbaugh said. "The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. They're interested in black coaches and black quarterbacks doing well; I think there's a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of his team, that he really didn't deserve."
Jackson then interjected that "somebody went to those championship games, somebody went to those Pro Bowls, somebody made those plays that I saw, running down the field, doing it with his legs, doing it with his arm. He has been a very effective quarterback for this football team over the last 2 or 3 years."
Limbaugh replied that McNabb benefited from a strong defense.
"I think he got a lot of credit for the defensive side of the ball winning games for this team," Limbaugh said - a much less controversial assertion, and one that probably contains at least a grain of truth.
Eagles coach Andy Reid said last night that he did not want to respond to Limbaugh's comments, but "I trust Donovan's talents and his contributions to Philadelphia."
Former Eagles receiver and current radio analyst Mike Quick, speaking last night on Comcast SportsNet's "Daily News Live," said: "When 'Jimmy the Greek' had his comments that got him ousted, I think this comment is even worse than that. I think we've progressed...Rush Limbaugh is a right-wing bigot who shouldn't even be doing football."
On Limbaugh's main point, there might be some people in the league or in the media who feel diversity is a worthwhile goal. Maybe that belief could somehow blind them to a player's shortcomings, although that seems a stretch.
But if you've been following McNabb's career, you might have noticed there certainly are many people, in the league and in the media, who feel quarterbacks should look and play the way they looked and played 40 years ago. Those people are definitely not grading McNabb on a curve.
Giving Props
• Donovan McNabb: During the week leading up to the game, his nebulous answers to questions about his struggles raised doubts about whether he had really made any adjustments. But McNabb, though not perfect Sunday, was again the guiding force the Eagles need him to be.
• Mike Lewis: Suddenly finding himself the most experienced member of the defensive secondary didn't faze the second-year strong safety; he forced a key fumble and played a strong game.
• David Rudd: Most fans didn't know his name, but according to yesterday's Buffalo News, he was the yellow-jacketed security guard who laid out that idiot fan you might have seen run onto the field at Ralph Wilson Stadium. Rudd squared his shoulders and exploded into the hit, right in front of the Birds' bench.
Busting Chops
• Mike Pucillo: The Bills' right guard decisively lost his one-on-one battle with left defensive tackle Corey Simon, starting with Buffalo's first play, when Simon threw Pucillo into Drew Bledsoe for a sack.
• Josh Reed: The successor to departed wide receiver Peerless Price started and played a lot, but caught just one pass for 9 yards against the Eagles' hobbled secondary.
• Gregg Williams: The Bills, coached by Williams, played into the Eagles' hands by taking 10 penalties for 84 yards, some of them crucial, and by running low-percentage plays in key spots, such as an incomplete bomb they tried on third-and-1 while they were desperate to get back into the game.
Who Knew?
That the Eagles could generate an effective ground game without really calling on Duce Staley? Brian Westbrook (11 carries, 96 yards) and Correll Buckhalter (11 carries, 25 yards) saw more key action than Staley (two carries for 4 yards, and three catches for 16 yards).
Andy Reid gave little explanation yesterday, other than to say the personnel group that includes Westbrook was particularly well- suited to use against Buffalo. It isn't clear that we'll continue to see as much of Westbrook against the Redskins on Sunday, or that we'll see as much of Buckhalter, who had one carry for no yards in the first two games.
Maybe we'll look back on Sunday's game as the start of a changing of the guard at running back, and maybe we won't - Reid certainly isn't telling.
Westbrook's durability has been questioned, but when healthy, he shows startling acceleration and surprising power for his size (5-8, 200). By the way, the Eagles are 4-0 in games Westbrook starts. And they're 1-0 when he runs 62 yards for a touchdown.
Extra Point
How important was it that the Eagles had the ball for 33 minutes, 48 seconds Sunday, to Buffalo's 26:12? The Birds are 22-2 under Andy Reid when gaining the edge in time of possession. After the bad starts of those first two losses, the Eagles ran 36 first-half plays, against 20 for the Bills. They had the ball for 18:05 of the first half, to Buffalo's 11:55, while building a 13-0 lead.
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McNabb is definately overated.
Why that is is definately up for debate. Personally, I think it's less of an issue about him being black as it is him fitting the "ideal quarterback physique". ~6'6", ~250, strong arm and fast. All of the quarterbacks fitting into all of those categories in the league right now are black. Actually, it's really just two quarterbacks... but the anouncers and media seem to fall all over themselves whenever they cover the games. Everyone seems to overlook the fact that they can't read defenses and make really stupid decisions.
Yep... both McNabb and Culpepper fit "the mold". Neither are very good quarterbacks.
BTW... on the topic of Racism in broadcasting:
I watched the Raiders play 2 weeks ago on Monday night and get their bellybutton kicked. In the 4th quarter Rich Gannon went over to the sidelines and started chewing out the offensive coordinator in a not too subtle way. The commentators highlighted how much of a competitor he was and how much the loss was hurting him.
Last week the 49rs were getting their bellybutton kicked and in the 4th quarter Terrel Owens went over to the sidelines and started chewing out the offensive coordinator in a not too subtle way. The announcers highlighted how unprofessional it was.
That's one that didn't make the papers because people don't hate those announcers like they hate Rush.
MiniD
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I like the argument he made for the NFL to fight clarrett in court. He says 18 year olds in sport are ruining sports. Pretty funny.
I'm 18 years old, I can be kicked out of my parents house because i'm 18, i'm a man, and should have a job and support myself.
I'm 18 years old, I can be drafted to go fight a war, because i'm a man.( a war declared by a middle aged man)
I'm 18 years old, i'm a good football player, but I can't play...because i'm not a man?
And this is being told to me by some middle age guy who doesn't even play football? Are all republicans this hypocritical?
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Mini, Gannon is the Quarterback and leader on the field. TO is a gimme the ball glory hog and has no reason to even talk to the OC.
BTW, who gives a rat's prettythang what Limbaugh says.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Are all republicans this hypocritical?
In a word.. yes.
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strk... dood... really... it's a great story and all and sure, I think Rush is a tool... but please...
brevity?
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McNabb is overrated, sure. I think it's more because of his raw physical skills (size, speed, arm) than any racial thing though. He just looks impressive, even if the results show that the other QB's on his team play just as well.
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Originally posted by strk
hahah I love it. you made your bed now lie in it fat boy
strk
Rush lost weight. Even if he hadn't, it is not PC to call him fat.
I accuse you of practicing fatcism and of being a fatist.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
strk... dood... really... it's a great story and all and sure, I think Rush is a tool... but please...
brevity?
dang ya beat me to it. I was thinking we have another weasel on our hands.
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Rush Limbaugh playing the race card regarding Donovan McNabb is one of the most hypocritically funny things I have ever heard.
He is going to be hard pressed to top this, though. Maybe if he swaps swill with Madonna onstage at an awards show?
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There is only one weazel, and he is much smarter and funnier than this guy - or you udie. :D
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Yep, Rush was and still is a big fat idiot. Nothing new to see here.
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Limbaugh does pretty good considering the competition.
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Anyone that listens to what that overstuffed bag of hot air has to say loses any shred of credibility. :rolleyes:
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MiniD good point about Gannon vs Owens. But with Owens it's a pattern of behavior, with Gannon it's an isolated incident. Gannon apologized to Trestmen. I don't recall Owens ever apologizing to Mooch.
I agree that there is a larger pattern though. Look at the media's portrayal of Barry Bonds for instance, before he broke the home run record.
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quarterbacks are always overrated. How can they not be? The media favors stories and stars. Quarterbacks touch the ball on almost every offensive play. They're the stars. Overrating McNabb has nothing to do with his race.
sports columnists will always go for the slamdunk. Why work for a column when you can get self-righteous and beat up on an idiot? Cocktails at noon taste better than those at 5.
Rush Limbaugh has made a media career out of claiming the media is liberal. Now he's said something absolutely stupid, people pounce on him.
As for TO and Gannon, well, that's a different case:
A) it wasn't explicit.
B) it wasn't the same announcers. "The Media" is an abstraction that frankly doesn't make any sense to paint as liberal/conservative, racist or whatever. Individuals are liberal or conservative; media by definition are not. So what Rush Limbaugh says doesn't reflect on other conservative news types. He's a moron, and morons can be conservative or liberal.
C) what funked said.
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Originally posted by Yeager
Limbaugh does pretty good considering the competition.
You're a fluff ball Chuck.
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Rush is an idiot and will probably get fired.
However, the league does want to see black quarterbacks succeed. Just like it wants to see black head coaches get hired. Why it's such a taboo to say that I don't understand, I don't have a problem with it.
Sportswriters have never been challenged like news reporters before, I'm not suprised they're uppity this week. A series of scathing editorials by people counting stats during baseball season or trying to get their AP top 25 submitted in time impresses me not.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
MiniD good point about Gannon vs Owens. But with Owens it's a pattern of behavior, with Gannon it's an isolated incident. Gannon apologized to Trestmen. I don't recall Owens ever apologizing to Mooch.
I agree that there is a larger pattern though. Look at the media's portrayal of Barry Bonds for instance, before he broke the home run record.
What was said afterwards has nothing to do with what was observed at the time.
Really... neither looked professional at all. Gannon's outburst was actually longer and more irate. The announcers still made excuses for it. Everyone else still is.
But... it's OK... because people like gannon.
MiniD
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Originally posted by rpm371
Anyone that listens to what that overstuffed bag of hot air has to say loses any shred of credibility. :rolleyes:
How do you feel about Al Franken? ;)
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Yawn
This is like all the boohoo'ing we had last year when Dennis Miller became an announcer.
Just when I feel any empathy for anything racial incorrect I might have heard from Rush or others...I recall how man black comedians enjoying putting white people down in their routines. If someone white did this, putting down any minority, they'd be blow out of the water.
Its a murky line.
I listen to Limbaugh and agree with him on some issues and disagree on a good many as well. If he said something that got people wound up...well...that's what he does.
Clearly strk hates Rush with every fiber of his being...any chance to pig pile on him, he's first in line. With hateful innuendos "fat boy" and such.
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Originally posted by Kieran
How do you feel about Al Franken? ;)
But al franken only insults white people.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Mini D
But al franken only insults white people.
MiniD
Not specific enough. Which white people? ;)
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They needed another misplaced famous name in the sports world now the Dennis Miller no longer does Monday Night Football.
At least Jim Belushi's time in the booth during the Chicago Bears game was entertaining.
As the Bears running back turned the corner and sprinted down the field for a touchdown:
Jim: "Go! Go! Go! Go!"
Al: "Wait. There's a flag down back at the line of scrimmage..."
Jim: "I don't care! Go! Go! Go! Go!"
:)
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It's funny, but ever since the year "Jimmy the Greek" was fired, the NFL has been out to prove they weren't racist by driving teams to have a black quarterback, coaching staff, management and even a black owner. This has not been a covert effort.
I've had NFL ticket for a few years now and watch as much football as I can. I definately get a feel for what is being said about whom. I definately get the feeling that the league and the media have been more than likely to make excuses for McNabb and Culpepper than dog on them.
But... once again... the NFL has also moved towards a combine solution at quarterback. How tall, how strong and how fast are all that matters and the rest can be taught . Of course, thanks to the NBA, most sporting leagues have also moved to the "create a superstar" philosophy. Every team NEEDS a superstar in order to sell tickets. If it doesn't really have one, they still try to create one.
But then... it's not just the announcers and media that get caught up in everything... I can't help but chuckle every time I see Jake Plumber play in Denver. He's simply kicking bellybutton al because he's got a good core of receivers, a good running back and a great offensive line. The announcers are still amazed at how well he is doing.
I always watch Saints games and have Aaron Brooks as a fantasy quarterback in all of my leagues because he scores points. But even last year, I noticed he has a tendancy to pick his primary receiver and stare at him all the way through his pattern before throwing. I've seen him look off the defense maybe twice so far this season. Of course, their offensive line is not helping much (more of a coordinator thing... getting hammered by blitzes), but still... some really bad decisions being made. Brooks is still constantly praised.
In football, when all is said and done, it doesn't matter what color the players are. Winning matters. But in the booth, and in the articles, where announcers and the media feel the need to analyze every single aspect of the game... you can see differences... excuses offered for some and blame offered for other. What drives it depends on the flavor of the day.
MiniD
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From the words I hear from Rush's own mouth, and the party plank and voting records of the Republicans...
My analysis is simple... the "R" in Rush and the "R" in Republican stands for "R"acist fundamental zealots.
But hey that's just my liberal treasonist Al-Queda loving communist un-American French-Loving opinion.
I guess I should move to another country now.
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haven't watched sports in years... guess all I'm missing is a bunch of PC wussies...
lazs
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If you want to see McNabb's future, just remember what happened to Randall Cunningham.
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He is smart, you have to give him that. It also shows the money that's behind him. He got his own spot on ESPN NFL Countdown. I thought when they first announced it, he was going to sit with the rest of them for a few minutes and get in a word or two. He has his own desk and commentary segment of the show.
Now he has to be controversial, or he won't sell. I'm wondering how his contract with the show is worded. There may be nothing they can do about him (this isn't an NFL contract, they can't release him). I'm sure there must be a buy out on the contract for ESPN to get out ( maybe twice that it cost for Rush to be on the show?:D )
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yeah... blacks are just as good a quarterbacks and swimmers as white guys and there is nothing special about their running ability.
we are all exactly the same with no genetic or racial traits.
lazs
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You forgot to put this at the end of your post lazs :rolleyes:
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I guess he should have used the PC racist term, "street cred."
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It's funny, but ever since the year "Jimmy the Greek" was fired, the NFL has been out to prove they weren't racist by driving teams to have a black quarterback, coaching staff, management and even a black owner. This has not been a covert effort.
I don't see this at all. Other than the very recent "You must interview a black coaching candidate" thng, what overt efforts have there been by the NFL to promote blacks as QB's, coaches, owners on anything but merit and/or marketability? Maybe I missed it.
I read an article with Steve Sabol of NFL films. He was talking about Michael Vick and how great it was to be making highlight films of him. He mentioned a game they had their cameras at and about how they were able to get a dozen truly breathtaking plays. This is why you see someone like Michael Vick promoted. Because he is good, potentially great, and capable of doing something on the football field that boggles the mind. Not because he is black. McNabb is in the same boat, with somewhat less breathtaking play ability.
Owners want to see their QB's succeed period. I don't think color enters their mind at all. If the QB can't produce, he will be benched, and he will get cut if he completely sucks ala Akili Smith. There is too much money invested in these teams for the owners to try and promote a social agenda. Hell, they already break their black coach interview rule because of this.
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Let's see... In Limbaugh's opinion McNabb is overrated. I won't argue it. My opinion of McNabb is irrelevant.
Second...
"The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well," he said, adding that he also thinks the media, which Limbaugh considers liberal, want black coaches to do well.
No real argument with this statement either. There are plenty of people that have spoken about this perceived disparity. It seems obvious to me that when you look at the sidelines and the coaching staff, the white guys are the ones making the decisions. The black guys are the ones on the field. Certainly, one can cite exceptions to this, but overall, I think it's accurate.
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Hey Sandman....this has nothing to do with the truth of his statements, but rather the politics of some on this board....so stop trying to be reasonable and start bashing Rush and the Republicans.:)
Some of you guys are wound too tight.
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Lance, you are a tard.
The league has been promoting minorities in every position of "leadership" including quarterback. The fact that you haven't seen it means you just haven't been paying attention. They even insisted that searches be conducted for minority owners (preferably black) for any team going up on the sales block. Once racism is highlighted (Jimmy the Greek) it has to be "adressed".
As for Vick, you might notice I didn't mention him in the "over-rated" category. I think he's an excellent quarterback... but we'll see if his first broken leg affects his dedication to the scramble and if his in-the-pocket game is as solid as his mobile one. The thing is, I get the feeling that McNabb and Culpepper ride the "looks just like him" category with the minor exception that they don't make good passing decisions on a regular basis. It could be because they are black, but I think it's more that they are so similar to him in physical build and ability. It's just that people have forgotten that ability is only part of the equation.
Of course McNabb and Culpepper were around before Vick... but it seems like everyone has been wanting one of the "ultimate" quarterbacks to finally get over that decision making hump that normally hangs them up. I guess I'm just getting tired of hearing quarterbacks reffered to as "fine physical specimens"... translating to "they must be good quarterbacks."
MiniD
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Limbaugh is intelligent, relatively speaking........
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Originally posted by Rude
Hey Sandman....this has nothing to do with the truth of his statements, but rather the politics of some on this board....so stop trying to be reasonable and start bashing Rush and the Republicans.:)
Well... I might find disagreement with Limbaugh's conclusion that McNabb is in the position because of his color, but it's just an opinion. Again, not really worth arguing about.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Well... I might find disagreement with Limbaugh's conclusion that McNabb is in the position because of his color, but it's just an opinion. Again, not really worth arguing about.
Agreed
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It's really just two sides of the same coin.
One will say that there is not enough minority represenation in company X. The other will say that so and so was less qualified, but hired/advanced for ethnic/racial "balance".
That said, if you as an employer don't offer the same opportunity to your employees regardless of their gender, color, culture, religion, sexual preference, etc. you deserve the lawsuit you're going to get.
This liberal thinks that affirmative action is racist and that there is no such thing as beneficial racism.
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I keep thinking of Henry Gibson's "Illinois Nazi" character in "The Blues Brothers" movie.
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The league has been promoting minorities in every position of "leadership" including quarterback. The fact that you haven't seen it means you just haven't been paying attention.
I am now. Give me some sources to back up what you are saying, Minidick, and I'll be happy to change my mind.
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LOL! why the **** should I be citing "sources" to change your mind lance? It's not my job to educate you... just to laugh at you for being ignorant.
MiniD
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A) "The 'media' wants black coaches and QBs to succeed"
1) What media? Obviously Rush doesn't. He's applying his favorite straw man, the "liberal media", just as lefties apply "military-industrial complex". Correct me if I'm wrong, but when Rush uses "the media", he's referring to his doctrine that holds that baby-loving, recycling-freak, gun-hating, welfare feminists run the media and distort the image of the world we're receiving.
2) In spite of this, we can agree that many members of the media want them to succeed. Very few members of the media are left from the 'Good Ol' days' when it was praiseworthy to want black athletes to fail.
B) "McNabb is overrated."
No argument here. As I said before, just about every QB in the league is overrated; it's the nature of the media.
But, "B because of A" boils down to:
Black QBs and Coaches (and by the same logic blacks in other prominent positions across society) are overrated because all our sources of information about them are tainted.
Now, this is in a league where some ridiculous percentage of the athletes are black at every position except QB (and probably the kicker), and very few of the coaches are. And right MiniD, why should I cite sources either?
Oh and I think Madden said of Janikowksi, fresh from jail (or was it Romanowski?): "I don't care what he did, as a coach, you're going to find an excuse to get him on the field."
It comes down to how they play.
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Sources for entertainment news?
Do I next have to cite Entertainment Tonight for references to Angelina Jolie's vial of blood?
Despite the heartfelt editorials and posturing, sports reporting is an entertainment business in a symbiotic relationship with the leagues they cover. What is good for the NFL is good for sport news organizations.
McNabb is part of the group of NFL quarterbacks (including Brooks, McNair and Culpepper) that helped break the mold of "White athletes are smart, black athletes can run." Acknowledging that this is fact does not mean you think it's a bad thing or wish to turn back the clock. It's simply recognizing reality.
I'm not going to go back and dig up all the Doug Williams special features that were played over and over as these guys came out of college, if you don't remember them I'm going to have to side with MiniD, you're a twit.
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Heh! Then we are back at square 1. You contend that the NFL has been driving teams to have black QB's, coaches, and owners for over a decade and I contend that you are full of ****. So far, you're only lending credence to the later.
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It was Romanowski after he broke a teamate's nose at practice. Madden said any coach will find an excuse to play a good player. What this matters is beyond me. Unless, that is, people were trying to say someone else in the same situation shouldn't be allowed to play.
BTW... nobody said black quarterbacks were overated dinger. Rush named one quarterback and I expanded it to two. Rush said McNabb being black had something to do with it... I tend to disagree and say it was more a physique thing going on. But I do agree that overating is occuring when it comes to McNabb.
As for coaches... it's pretty damn difficult to over/under rate them. The scoreboard tells the story. The sidelines tell the story.
Percentages is a pretty funny thing to bring up. It highlights something that even rush would agree with. If the percentages are off, you need to do whatever is necessary to adress the situation even comprimise. It really is just making an excuse that verifies Rush's statement above.
I'm not saying there isn't racism keeping blacks from certain positions in the NFL. I am saying there is a tendancy to highlight and even misrepresent some blacks that have made it in those positions because they are black in those positions. That is not helpfull.
It's odd... I don't much care for Rush and I don't necessarily agree with his assesment of McNabb (at least root cause). But I do find the over-reaction of the media to his comment to be quite supportive of his basic assesment.
MiniD
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You're right, my saying Detriot got fined for not interviewing minorities is invalid because I am not providing a source for it.
It's too much to expect you'd know that to be fact if you're posting in this thread.
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Originally posted by k2cok
There is only one weazel, and he is much smarter and funnier than this guy - or you udie. :D
Weazel was, is, and will always be less than smart or funny.
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Originally posted by Mini D
It's odd... I don't much care for Rush and I don't necessarily agree with his assesment of McNabb (at least root cause). But I do find the over-reaction of the media to his comment to be quite supportive of his basic assesment.
MiniD
I was thinking along the same lines. As well as how quickly some of those here that whined about free speech for the Dixie Chicks are ready to see Rush get canned.
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Fathead, that rule is only a year old, and is already being broken. Even the teams that follow it are generally paying lip-service to a black candidate to avoid the fine. If the NFL owners are so intent on furthering this social agenda that MiniD says has been in existance since Jimmy the Greek made his comments, why on earth are they not following either the intent or letter of the rule that would directly promote such an agenda?
I agree that it is a stupid rule and never should have been enacted. But if that is all you have to support the idea that the NFL pushes blacks into leadership positions because of the color of their skin as opposed to their ability to help a team win, you are an idiot. Your Detroit Lions example only shows that owners are going to go with whoever they think gives them the best chance to succeed regardless of skin color, even at the expense of being fined.
Give me an instance of where a black QB, coach or owner was selected, hired, started, promoted or marketed because they are black and did not have the playing|coaching|financial merits to back it up. That is what you are saying the NFL has pushed its teams to do, I want an example of when it has happened.
That rule is there to placate blacks and ease criticism of the league. It is not there to promote a social agenda.
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Now you're really being a tard.
You're saying that because the NFL policy on promoting minorites doesn't work, saying they have a policy on promoting minorities is not true?
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Ray Rhodes is a head coach where exactly?
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He got the job underqualified and had to be let go.
Do I need to provide a source for that too, or can you take my word for it that he was indeed at one time hired for a head coaching position.
I don't have a problem with Ray Rhodes being hired, even though he sucked worse than Shawn King as QB. I actually like the policy of requiring black candidates be interviewed even if they're not going to be hired, I just don't like the stigma on any discussion or even aknowledgement that there is a policy.
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How was Ray Rhodes underqualified? He was a coordinator for a super bowl winner and hired as a head coach shortly thereafter, ala the current Patriots, Ravens and Raiders head coaches.
He had 2 head coaching stints, one in Philly and the other in Green Bay. He did decent to start in Philly, then was fired after a couple of bad seasons. Green Bay (the team he helped win a super bowl as an assistant) picked him up after Mike Holmgren left and he did crappy. He was fired pretty quickly there. He has not sniffed a head coaching gig since.
I don't see any racially-based promotion of this guy. Sure, he sucked, but I can see why he was given his two shots and it has nothing to do with him being black.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
It's really just two sides of the same coin.
One will say that there is not enough minority represenation in company X. The other will say that so and so was less qualified, but hired/advanced for ethnic/racial "balance".
That said, if you as an employer don't offer the same opportunity to your employees regardless of their gender, color, culture, religion, sexual preference, etc. you deserve the lawsuit you're going to get.
This liberal thinks that affirmative action is racist and that there is no such thing as beneficial racism.
I demand to know what you did with Sandman!!!! Identify yourself!!!
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Rush lost weight. Even if he hadn't, it is not PC to call him fat.
I accuse you of practicing fatcism and of being a fatist.
Rush is a fascist?
er.....fatist?
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Um... Lance...
What the NFL is trying to promote and what it's actually doing are two different things. When push comes to shove, each owner makes his own decision. But, when the gist of the discussion is about "over rating" (promoting) a player... it matters.
I think bring up Ray Rhodes as an "oh yea... what about him?" is kinda funny and the last desperate act of a tard. As a head coach, Ray Rhodes makes an excellent defensive coordinator.
MiniD
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Rush Is A B(o)(o)B
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Fatty brought up Ray Rhodes before he edited his post as an example of a candidate that was promoted because of race and not qualifications.
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Why the left really hates limbaugh: Its not what he says, everyone is free to say what they want, its his wealth and success that they hate
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Limbaugh has become the highest-paid information broadcaster in history, after pulling in nearly $30 million this year.
Limbaugh receives no salary, rather he keeps a percentage of all revenue he generates on his syndicated show. And Limbaugh's hours continue to be the most lucrative in radio. [ARBITRON ratings trend for November 2000 shows Limbaugh hitting a 5 year high on WABC in New York City.]
EARNED NEARLY $1000 A MINUTE
Limbaugh earned $968 a minute, based on nearly 31,000 minutes of Limbaugh programming this year.
Go get em Rush :D
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Originally posted by Rude
I demand to know what you did with Sandman!!!! Identify yourself!!!
I could say much the same thing... "This must be the evil twin of Rude, the one that finds my remarks to be reasonable all of a sudden." :)
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Originally posted by Lance
Fatty brought up Ray Rhodes before he edited his post as an example of a candidate that was promoted because of race and not qualifications.
LOL! OK.. that explains that one. I was wondering where that one came from.
Fatty's the king of tards.
MiniD
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Clearly strk hates Rush with every fiber of his being...any chance to pig pile on him, he's first in line. With hateful innuendos "fat boy" and such.
you presume a lot. I don't hate him with EVERY fibre of my being.
seriously, I don't hate him, I just see him for what he is, a spinning, lying propagandist for the right wing. I dont care enough about him to hate him. I do feel sorry for all the dittoheads that think he is at a minimum telling them the truth. I am truly suprised that he has any legitimacy at all, but as one of the articles points out, he IS the media now, or at least a big fat portion of it
strk
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Originally posted by Kieran
How do you feel about Al Franken? ;)
He's a better writer than you think, and I bet you haven't read any of his books.
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I concur, MiniD, and I won't even ask you to cite sources!
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I guess Rush has a point, but why pick McNabb? If he wanted to find an overrated black QB, look no further than Kordell Stewart. That guy has no business being even a backup QB in the NFL.
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It was because Philly had gone 0:2 to start the season and looked particularly bad doing it.
MiniD
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P.S. Kordell has never realy been touted as a star quarterback. He was a backup to the backup... then a backup... then a starter that couldn't hold onto the spot. All they really touted him as was "slash". I think he should go back to that multi-use role... Randal El reinforced the success and need of someone in a position like that.
MiniD
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Didn't he make the Pro Bowl? I remember a lot of media hype when he had his one decent year.
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Even though graduation from the center for the advancement of conservative study will never happen I learned enough to make up my own mind and form my own opinion from that 'school'.
If you look at Rush's career over the past 15 years it's really amazing what you see. Everything that the libs/left claim to before they have prostituted just to get at Rush. The supposed 'open mindedness' of liberals goes out the window. One case in point, back when he had his TV show a local TV station here in Austin bought the rights to it. Then they moved the show time from 10 pm to 3 am :rolleyes: so much for their 'diversity of ideas'. The one exeption to this is KLBJ am radio here in Austin. They've had his radio show on for over 10 years now. That being said, they do their part to 'fix' it though. They start the broadcast an hour late, which kills any insentive to call from Austin. Rarely do you hear a caller on Rush that's from Austin.
The supposed 'nice nature' of liberals goes out the window. They don't have any substance to refute him so they ALWAYS pull the fat card. I've been watching them do it for 12 years now. The best part of this liberal tactic is it glaringly shows their ignorance/stupidity. Clue number one uhhhh it's been pretty common knowledge that Rush went on a diet oh about 10 YEARS AGO and lost all the 'fat'. He's been slim and trim for going on 5+ years now :lol So anytime you idiots make a fat comment you show your own stupidity as well and intolerance.
Then there are the ones that claim to listen to the show and then describe something totally diferent. That one is not quite as bad now as it was in the mid 90's. The best part about that one is that you could tell they got their marching orders from somewhere. All their stories of what Rush actually said matched perfectly with each others. The only problem was that they had nothing to do with what was on his show. Showing an awesome amount of dishonesty and ignorance. Don't ya think it's kind of stupid to talk about a show that you didn't even hear?
The most interesting thing about the Rush 'phenomena' is that he would have gotten no where had it not been for the stupidity of the left. He's made a damn good carreer and made himself a millionair by exposing the hypocracy and lies of the liberal democrats in Washington, even some republicans. So keep on calling him fat, keep on calling him stupid or and idiot or a neanderthol. He'll keep on getting rich from it. Remember when you point a finger at somebody there's 3 fingers pointing back at you :)
I saw some real class from the left when Rush went completely deaf too. Thank God for him that the Chochlear (sp?) ear implants worked.
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I agree on the Slash thing. He should be a 3rd down reciever or a WR you can line up as an RB with a formation change. Also he should be in every special teams formation IMHO.
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He was an alternate 2 years in a row ('96 and '97). 96 he was doing the multi-roll thing and impressed everone with his multi-dimentional abilities. In 97 he was quarterback and passed for 300 yards, 21 touchdowns and 17 interceptions. It was the best year he had... still an alternate (and most likely because of name recognition from all the hype in 96).
MiniD
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How Is Rush The Fatboy an expert on football?
Just because hes shaped like a football an expert he is not LOL.
Heck his idea of sport is a timed pie eating contest:D
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Two black quarterbacks that deserve the hype:
Michael Vick
Steve McNair
Two that don't:
Donavan McNabb
Daunte Culpepper
Two that seem to get honest reviews both good and bad:
Kordell Stewart
Aaron Brooks
One observation is that it's easier for me to name all of the black quarterbacks and their teams than the white quarterbacks. Can't say I was expecting that.
MiniD
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Originally posted by mrblack
How Is Rush The Fatboy an expert on football?
Just because hes shaped like a football an expert he is not LOL.
Heck his idea of sport is a timed pie eating contest:D
You see folks we didn't even have to wait 30 min before somebody came in here and showed, first hand, the ignorance/stupidity I was refering to in my last post.
Thank you very much Mr. Black :)
:lol :rofl :lol :rofl
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The supposed 'open mindedness' of liberals goes out the window. One case in point, back when he had his TV show a local TV station here in Austin bought the rights to it. Then they moved the show time from 10 pm to 3 am
oh and thay had NOTHING to do with his crappy tv ratings :rolleyes:
you are a dittohead aren't you?
AREN'T YOU?????
admitting you have a problem is the 1st step:D :D
strk
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Originally posted by Mini D
One observation is that it's easier for me to name all of the black quarterbacks and their teams than the white quarterbacks. Can't say I was expecting that.
MiniD
You like the way they crouch over center?
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Originally posted by strk
oh and thay had NOTHING to do with his crappy tv ratings :rolleyes:
you are a dittohead aren't you?
AREN'T YOU?????
admitting you have a problem is the 1st step:D :D
strk
Actually it didn't. I believe the station even said the intent was to get him off the air. Some lib back then labeled him "the most dangerous man in America" A knickname he has used ever since, in jest ofcourse. But he did finally take the show off the air. I believe his reasoning was to spend more time on the radio show. I have no idea if it was that or ratings that caused him to stop the tv show. The tv show was great, but it only lasted 30 minutes so he really didn't have enough time to get into things on the tv show like the radio show.
The best thing he ever did on the TV show was when that guy Ron Brown (really can't remember his name or position in the government) died. There were tv cameras at the funeral. What they caught was simply amazing and showed the true nature of bill clinton. The film showed clinton and other democrats walking out of the funeral services. Clinton was joking and laughing with the guys he walked out with, they were laughing too. They're walking down the sidewalk and you can see clinton's eyes shift towards the camer and he notices it. Within ONE step he went from laughin to crying and even whiped and alleged tear from his eye, the people around him didn't see the camera and were still laughing. LOL Rush played this EVERY NIGHT for 6 months it seemed. He'd slow it down and play it in super-slo-mo and show how it only took 1 step for clinton to make a good show for the camera. Good stuff!
Dittohead? Hmmm sometimes I guess so, when I agree with him. Other times not, when I disagree with him. Overall? Probably not anymore, though I guess I'd have to say yeah I'm still a little bit of a dittohead. I haven't listened to him regularly in about 3 years. I sort of prefer Niel Boortz now.
Interesting question for you non-rush types. Do you guys have any idea where the term dittohead and his callers use of the word ditto's came from?
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Does liking the look of an black man's bellybutton better than the look of a white man's bellybutton make you a bigot?
BTW...
Culpepper: 6'4", 264 and fast
McNabb: 6'2", 240 and fast
McNair: 6'2", 235 and slow (relatively speaking of course)
Vick: 6'0", 215 and fast
Brooks: 6'4", 205 and fast
Stewart: 6'1", 218 and very fast
I truly believe that the NFL as a whole has fallen into the trap of thinking that a stopwatch, a tapemeasure (6'2" or taller) and a scale (220 or heavier) are all you need to pick your players. If you don't fit into the 3 necessary categories, you'd better be bringing something else to the table. If you do... you're simply destined for greatness.
MiniD
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I saw some real class from the left when Rush went completely deaf too. Thank God for him that the Chochlear (sp?) ear implants worked.
It wasn't the "implants". Surely you don't believe that "implant" story?
The real story (http://members.shaw.ca/rb.ham/articles/01-10-20-artbell.htm)
he asked everyone to concentrate on a "healing white light" entering Rush's ears...
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Originally posted by midnight Target
It wasn't the "implants". Surely you don't believe that "implant" story?
The real story (http://members.shaw.ca/rb.ham/articles/01-10-20-artbell.htm)
:D
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I truly believe that the NFL as a whole has fallen into the trap of thinking that a stopwatch, a tapemeasure (6'2" or taller) and a scale (220 or heavier) are all you need to pick your players.
I agree, but I think its been like that for a long time. You could read draft rags back for as long as I have been a fan (mid 80's) and you have a prospect described as a "prototypical quarterback".
The difference is that the prototype used to be 6'5" and had a rocket arm with a quick release. Now it is 6'3", 220lbs+, a rocket arm and a sub 4.5 40 yard dash.
You still see the old prototypes (David Carr, Carson Palmer) getting drafted at the top, though.
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But he did finally take the show off the air.
lol of course HE took the show of the air, despite great ratings!! to "focus on his radio show!! megadittoes!!
It was his poor ratings that took him off the air. He wasnt ready for prime time. If you have proof of this station saying that they were moving him to 3am ecause they were liberal then please share it.
A tv station is going to run a show that gives them ratings and drop something that doesnt.
dittohead refer to the ignorati who agree with everything rushbo tells them without any further proof or though on their part. How convenient for them to have someone else do their thinking. Maybe you have another explanation, Im sure. (not intended as a personal flame, just describing my view of rush fans in general)
strk
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Originally posted by strk
dittohead refer to the ignorati who agree with everything rushbo tells them without any further proof or though on their part. How convenient for them to have someone else do their thinking. Maybe you have another explanation, Im sure. (not intended as a personal flame, just describing my view of rush fans in general)
strk
bzzzzzzzzzzz wrong answer, your ignorance is showing as is your bigotry ;) Talk nice and maybe we can educate you and you won't be ignorant, don't think we can help the bigotry though.
on a side note....
It's nice to see that Wes Clark supports the 1st amendment.... (http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=175257&category=Sports&BCCode=SPORTSMAIN&newsdate=10/1/2003)
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Originally posted by Lance
You still see the old prototypes (David Carr, Carson Palmer) getting drafted at the top, though.
And winning the Superbowl every year.
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I think Rush would absolutely LOVE this thread. All this talk about Rush and football, two of his favorite subjects :D
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In that order. :)
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
In that order. :)
:D
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your ignorance is showing as is your bigotry Talk nice and maybe we can educate you and you won't be ignorant, don't think we can help the bigotry though.
you just crossed the line. I knew it was a just a matter of time before you made an ad hominen attack, because I have read some of your posts and it is evident that you are an idiot. And, like most of the hypocritic right wing, when you dont have any facts on your side you attack someone personally. So FU Udie. My time would be better spent discussing astrophysics with a monkey at the zoo.
have a nice day!
strk
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Originally posted by strk
you just crossed the line. I knew it was a just a matter of time before you made an ad hominen attack, because I have read some of your posts and it is evident that you are an idiot. And, like most of the hypocritic right wing, when you dont have any facts on your side you attack someone personally. So FU Udie. My time would be better spent discussing astrophysics with a monkey at the zoo.
have a nice day!
strk
:lol :lol :lol :lol :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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good one!!!
strk:rolleyes:
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Ok, lets see if I can get this done before the F... ing dsl goes down again...
I have never seen so many sheep being led around by the nose.
#1: They hired him to stir the poop, thats what he did, now you want him fired???????? Thats like firing that Bill Marh (sp?) guy on Politicaly Incorrect for saying something polliticaly incorrect, oh wait, they did that...
#2: Was it stupid to say? Yes Was he wrong? NO.
He just went into an area that is tabo, so call the f..ing PC police!!! Gawd you guys are lame. He didn't say anything hurtful, he just stated his oponion, this is still America and we still do have a first amendment... The only people who have a right to punish him are his bosses because he said it on their time. The rest of us should just say "Oh, ok, Rush did his job again" and get on with our friggen lives. He's not a biggot, or a racist. You people are the ones that attacking a group of people and calling them derogitory things... So who's the biggots??? Go look in the mirror.
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My time would be better spent discussing astrophysics with a monkey at the zoo.
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Sounds like your up to the challenge :rofl
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I didnt hear all of what Rush said, but I understood his comments to be aimed at the media, not McNabb... thats why the media is jumping all over him.
From what I heard, Rush was using McNabb as an example of a minority athlete that the media loves to see excell.
Rush fired at the press at large, they dropped a bomb on him.
Hell, McNabb isnt even offended by the comments and unless I missed something, neither am I - and Im a Philadelphian.
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McNabb isnt even offended by the comments
wrong
McNabb told the Philadelphia Daily News in its Tuesday editions that, "It's sad that you've got to go to skin color. I thought we were through with that whole deal."
wait there is more
As McNabb said yesterday in a conversation with the Daily News' Les Bowen, "What about [Michael] Vick? What does that say for Daunte Culpepper or Aaron Brooks or Quincy Carter? Culpepper is playing really well right now. What does it say about that?"
oh, and this one
http://www.sunspot.net/sports/football/bal-limbaugh1001,0,4588745.story?coll=bal-home-headlines
Donovan McNabb doesn't mind criticism of his performance. He's upset that Rush Limbaugh made his race an issue.
And the Philadelphia Eagles' quarterback says it's too late for an apology from the talk show host, who said the media has overrated McNabb because they want to see a black quarterback succeed.
"It's somewhat shocking to hear that on national TV from him," McNabb said Wednesday. "It's not something that I can sit here and say won't bother me."
pretty much proves you wrong, no? Got anything to bakc up what you say, or will you admit that you just made that up because it was convenient. What you did is called DISHONESTY. The sad part is that half of these quotes came from this very thread. Still want to apologize for rushbo? Bigotry on loan from god? lol
strk
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Sounds like your up to the challenge
Not now Yeager, Im all out of bananas
strk
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Would I be a racist if I suggested Kurt Warner return to his former profession of bagging groceries?
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Hmmmm, I seem to remember quite the few white QB's drafted early that flopped. I think they were drafted cause they were white and white people wanted them to succeed.
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they'll all be black soon and this will not be an issue
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they'll all be black soon and this will be a mute point
what do you mean?
strk
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I mean the NFL will look like the NBA which will look like pro baseball - blacks and hispanic as the white athlete finds himself with less talent, ability and drive.
All the QB's will be black one day in the not too distant future, nothing wrong with that, just a matter of time
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I dont think it matters all that much. Race is just another label anyway. Maybe one day we will get to the point where we just see a man, not a black man or a white man or a yellow man. I dont know though, human nature being what it is. As a white cracker living in the south I have seen things get a lot better, but there is still plenty of outright bigotry out there. plenty
strk
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Originally posted by Eagler
I mean the NFL will look like the NBA which will look like pro baseball - blacks and hispanic as the white athlete finds himself with less talent, ability and drive.
All the QB's will be black one day in the not too distant future, nothing wrong with that, just a matter of time
The NBA is a bad example... there's a new invasion from Europe... better understanding of the fundamentals, better discipline and less interest on showing up on the highlight reels at ESPN.
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It's all about who's hungriest.
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Originally posted by strk
wrong
wait there is more
oh, and this one
http://www.sunspot.net/sports/football/bal-limbaugh1001,0,4588745.story?coll=bal-home-headlines
pretty much proves you wrong, no? Got anything to bakc up what you say, or will you admit that you just made that up because it was convenient. What you did is called DISHONESTY. The sad part is that half of these quotes came from this very thread. Still want to apologize for rushbo? Bigotry on loan from god? lol
strk
ROFL!!! Jesus Christ man, take a ****ing pill! :lol
My opinion about McNabb's feelings on the issue doesnt waver - the local news has had it on since Rush spoke and McNabb's attitude during those interviews is rather jovial. You go ahead and read it on the internet, and Ill watch him say it. He isnt offended.
In any event, if you think Im a huge Rush supporter youre wrong and if you take very much of what he says seriously youre just misguided.
Have fun and good luck with your medication.
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Originally posted by strk
you just crossed the line. I knew it was a just a matter of time before you made an ad hominen attack, because I have read some of your posts and it is evident that you are an idiot. And, like most of the hypocritic right wing, when you dont have any facts on your side you attack someone personally. So FU Udie. My time would be better spent discussing astrophysics with a monkey at the zoo.
have a nice day!
strk
you're kinda excitable eh?
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Originally posted by Rude
you're kinda excitable eh?
hehe he's the first person to make my sig :D
here's the post he was replying to :D
Originally posted by strk
dittohead refer to the ignorati who agree with everything rushbo tells them without any further proof or though on their part. How convenient for them to have someone else do their thinking. Maybe you have another explanation, Im sure. (not intended as a personal flame, just describing my view of rush fans in general)
strk
bzzzzzzzzzzz wrong answer, your ignorance is showing as is your bigotry ;) Talk nice and maybe we can educate you and you won't be ignorant, don't think we can help the bigotry though.
on a side note....
It's nice to see that Wes Clark supports the 1st amendment.... (http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=175257&category=Sports&BCCode=SPORTSMAIN&newsdate=10/1/2003)
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Originally posted by DmdNexus
... and voting records of the Republicans...
My analysis is simple... the "R" in Rush and the "R" in Republican stands for "R"acist fundamental zealots.
But hey that's just my liberal treasonist Al-Queda loving communist un-American French-Loving opinion.
I guess I should move to another country now.
Do you mean that more "R" as a percentage of their numbers in Congress voted for equal rights in the 60's then "D" including Gores father who voted "NO" twice.
Kennedy's fillabuster on school vouchers for black students.
Ya I guess you're right, thier voting record does condem them to Racisim,,, for Demacats
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