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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Frogm4n on October 01, 2003, 12:39:12 PM
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People that need a new vid card for ah2 and dont want to spend alot of money; go get this:
ATI RADEON 9600 256MB DDR AGP 8X TV OUT / DVI
Add Software Kit: No
Expedite Shipping: Ship in next 24 working hours (+$3.95)
Upgrade to Retail Box: NO 118.85
with express shipping it was 150. Not bad for a vid card that will run every new game out there. You can find it for a price like this on pricewatch.com.
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Ive been told that the 256mb version has slower memory than the 128mb version, and therefore is abit slower and more expensive. It is however more "futureproof" for games that will come in the future that may take advantage of the extra memory.
What i just wrote is quite possibly bs but its what ive been told.
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by the time games use anywhere near 256mb of vram you'll probably want to have something more then an obsolete 9600 at that time.
if you can find a 128 verson for cheaper that'd be the way to go.
dunno prices well, since i live in canada.
my 2, er, 3 can. cents
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I run 9600 Pro in both my home machines and get 85 FPS at 1280 resolution ALL DAY LONG
These cards are the *****... get them now!
That is all.
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Yep, I'd say the 128mb version is better. It has higher clocked memorys and I have doubts weather the same GPU can use that extra 128mb efficient enough.
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the 128 version has faster ram, but it is more expensive.
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
People that need a new vid card for ah2 and dont want to spend alot of money; go get this:
ATI RADEON 9600 256MB DDR AGP 8X TV OUT / DVI
Add Software Kit: No
Expedite Shipping: Ship in next 24 working hours (+$3.95)
Upgrade to Retail Box: NO 118.85
with express shipping it was 150. Not bad for a vid card that will run every new game out there. You can find it for a price like this on pricewatch.com.
ive got it rpiced at $80 at circuit city. that is the one i want to get.
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Not the 9600 pro you don't...
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
ive got it rpiced at $80 at circuit city. that is the one i want to get.
The only Radeon 9600 you'll get for 80 bucks is the 64M version. The 9600 Pro 128 runs about 200 retail. On the net you might find it for about 170.
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Originally posted by jonnyb
The only Radeon 9600 you'll get for 80 bucks is the 64M version. The 9600 Pro 128 runs about 200 retail. On the net you might find it for about 170.
to much for me.
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no you will find the 9600 pro for what i paid for mine not 170.
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You didn't get the 9600 Pro, just the 9600. Not too much difference...Pro's clock speed is higher...a few other things. The cheapest I've seen the Pro is 155 on pricewatch, and that's the 128M version.
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Got a Gigabyte 9600 128MB for $175 (Australian dollars that is, about $95 for you Yanks). Computer bits are expensive in my part of the world. :(
Edit that was with retail box and software bundle though...
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The 9500 pro beats the 9600pro,,but unfortunately it's not availible anymore.I got the last one;) .
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I can Buy an Nvidia 5200 FX with the faster 128 for $66 USD:
Nvidia 5200 FX @ newegg (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?submit=property&DEPA=1)
Better Drivers, greater userbase, No bundled crap.
It's not a decent card unless it's Nvidia.
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The 9600XT is due out this month. Its supposed to ship with a free copy of (or a coupon for) HL2, full version for $199.00 .
See the 9600 part of this: http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NTI5
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I've heard that the Nvidia 5200 FX is really a crappy card..... not tested it myslef tho.
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It's a hell of a lot better than the Nvidia GF 2 I have integrated into my Motherboard. ANd even then, I would rather push an Nvidia than drive a Radeon.. Or something like that...
Anyhow if you want a better card then get a Geforce FX5600 for $114 from newegg.com. And who the hell needs bundled games when I am buying it for Aces High? Since I found Aces High I have purchased no other game.
Half Life can kiss my )*(.
Still the best bang for the buck, AND Outperforms the rest. <-- Tested on Customers computers.
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Nvidia is not a good option at this point when it comes to future games.
It will choke pretty much on any game that has Direct X 9 features(pixel shading),and the games coming out will soon.
Soon it won't be just half-life.
John Carmack's thoughts (http://english.bonusweb.cz/interviews/carmackgfx.html)
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Right now I am running a Ge4 MX440 and I was really please with it over my Voodoo 4 32MB PCI card I was running however with my system I run about 65 FPS until a dogfight or lots of bombers smoke and so on then it drops to about 15 to 16.. sometimes in a GV at a smoking field I drop to about 6 or 7.. Myself I'm looking for something thats not going to drop off in smoke or anything with my system... as we are all sure of the 6 or 7 FPS won't be enough for AH2...
BTW. I run at 1600X1200 so I can see parts fall off :D
Sys specs
256 PC2700
1.7 P4
Maxtor 7200 60GB ATA-133
on-board sound (works great though)
P.S. I am soon to upgrade ram to about 768 and maybe put a 2.4 CPU in it.. but as of right now I need a card thats going to rock yet somewhat less weight on the pocketbook
Vaska
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I have looked into this issue with FX cards and find that NVidia created a feature for the card that programmers are not utilizing. It appears to me that NVidia has left taken a step that would be a great leap in development should all the gamers choose to go the way Nvidia would like them to. This topic has been covered by previous history in the Video Market so I don't need to say much more.
The FX Cards appear to suck for conventional game development. But the GF2/3/4 TI series are still less that $200 and don't include games I don't want and won't play.
The only time I play any thing other than Aces High is when I cannot connect to the 'net, or HTC's Servers are down.
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In general, I would avoid the current NVidia FX line. ATI is on a roll.
The 9600Pro is about the best bang for the buck you can get. In several cases it will just outperform an NVidia 5900U. But, you might want to wait for the 9600XT. I understand it is replacing the 9600Pro for the same price, but is quite a bit faster, and runs much cooler.
Not to mention it will overclock to unreal speeds.
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Amen, Skuzzy...
Not that you need seconding, but two recent items reinforced my belief in ATI:
1 - nVidia lied about the performance of the FX line when it came out and independent testers soon showed their fallacy. nVidia is a great company and is making amends, but it was a bonehead move.
2 - Microsoft just selected ATI for its next gen Xbox console. Not that M$ is right, just pointing it out.
Don't get me wrong, nVidia is not inherently bad. ATI is just better at video cards at this moment in time. nVidia still makes a HELLA cool chipset for AMD chips though.
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Just ordered a Connect3D radeon 9600XP card, when i find the money in our budget to test it on a system ill post some thoughts on it.
Have:
video card (radeon9600XP in the mail)
cpu cooler and paste (coolermaster)
8x cd drive :rofl
floppy (old piece o' junk)
HD (20gb seagate)
Still need:
case
cpu
ram
mobo
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
In general, I would avoid the current NVidia FX line. ATI is on a roll.
The 9600Pro is about the best bang for the buck you can get. In several cases it will just outperform an NVidia 5900U. But, you might want to wait for the 9600XT. I understand it is replacing the 9600Pro for the same price, but is quite a bit faster, and runs much cooler.
Not to mention it will overclock to unreal speeds.
I agree with skuzzy. The 9600XT should be available in November, should be priced about $200 and be faster than the 9700 pro. Nice card to wait for.
Acetnt
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Im a die hard nvidia user but my next card will be ATI:D
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Originally posted by Frogm4n
People that need a new vid card for ah2 and dont want to spend alot of money; go get this:
ATI RADEON 9600 256MB DDR AGP 8X TV OUT / DVI
Add Software Kit: No
Expedite Shipping: Ship in next 24 working hours (+$3.95)
Upgrade to Retail Box: NO 118.85
with express shipping it was 150. Not bad for a vid card that will run every new game out there. You can find it for a price like this on pricewatch.com.
damm, i was yesterday in Fry's electronic, 199$+ tax for 128 Mb version
where is best to order/buy it in San Jose?
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Originally posted by acetnt-2nd
I agree with skuzzy. The 9600XT should be available in November, should be priced about $200 and be faster than the 9700 pro. Nice card to wait for.
Acetnt
This is from Futuremark BBS:
"9600XT is NOT faster than 9700Pro
There was an earlier thread talking about this. It was brought up that since Ati said the 9600XT would be faster than the 9700Pro in all cases. That didn't sound right to me so I emailed Ati. This is what they had to say.
Quote:
Regarding if the Radeon 9600 XT is faster than the Radeon 9700 Pro:
Unfortunately, the Radeon 9600 XT is not faster than the Radeon 9700 Pro. Although the Radeon 9600 XT has a higher clock speed, the Radeon 9700 Pro has more pixel pipelines, 8 vs 4, and it also has a higher memory interface, 256bit vs 128bit.
Regards,
Louis Lam
Customer Service Canada
ATI Technologies, Inc.
http://www.ati.com"
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Originally posted by 2Hawks
I can Buy an Nvidia 5200 FX with the faster 128 for $66 USD:
Nvidia 5200 FX @ newegg (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?submit=property&DEPA=1)
Better Drivers, greater userbase, No bundled crap.
It's not a decent card unless it's Nvidia.
Somebody educate him.
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Not to mention the OMEGA'S DRIVERS that turn your 9600 to a 9700. :D
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hehe..
I've got a Saphire Radeon 9500/ 128 (Not a PRO) that I've hacked the BIOS (TY RAGE 3D)! With Omega Drivers it's benching almost as fast as my 9700 PRO :D
BUT, I can see the difference in the quality of the images. Pixel pipeline and bandwidth make a BIG difference! IF ya got the extra cash for a 9700 PRO, get it! Check Pricewatch daily. I've seen them (9700 PRO's) as cheap as $235.
Newman
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Where could one find these Omega drivers if one were looking?
:-)
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http://www.omegacorner.com/
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Originally posted by OverBkil
This is from Futuremark BBS:
"9600XT is NOT faster than 9700Pro
There was an earlier thread talking about this. It was brought up that since Ati said the 9600XT would be faster than the 9700Pro in all cases. That didn't sound right to me so I emailed Ati. This is what they had to say.
Quote:
Regarding if the Radeon 9600 XT is faster than the Radeon 9700 Pro:
Unfortunately, the Radeon 9600 XT is not faster than the Radeon 9700 Pro. Although the Radeon 9600 XT has a higher clock speed, the Radeon 9700 Pro has more pixel pipelines, 8 vs 4, and it also has a higher memory interface, 256bit vs 128bit.
Regards,
Louis Lam
Customer Service Canada
ATI Technologies, Inc.
http://www.ati.com"
Depends on where you read your information. Anandtech has it projected as being faster than the 9700pro :
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1890&p=3
Prefer to trust Anandtech at this moment since I am not sure if this is to protect the 9700pro market at the moment.
but will wait until it arrives an is tested to pronounce judgment
Acetnt
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try this link:
http://www.rage3d.com/index.php
Omega drivers and vid card BIOS hacks are posted, as well as ATI news.
Newman
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Oh wow the Omega drivers are the shizzy.
I downloaded the nVidia one for my FX 5200 at work and got an immediate increase from 35fps to 50+.
At home I downloaded the latest Catalyst based omega driver for my 9600 Pro... OH MY GOD! I used to get 75-85 fps. Last night i got 94-115 fps consistently.... scary.
I took a screen shot when it was showing 112 fps at 1280x1024x32. Thank you Omega!