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Title: Frame Rate Stinks!!!
Post by: recon1 on October 01, 2003, 05:47:01 PM
For the Love of Pete!! Can anybody tell me why after 9 months of playing my frame rate is down to 3 maybe 9 going into smoke or during mission. I have always had 40+ or more. This is really frustrating. Also, I lose UDP everytime I log on with in 3 to 5 minutes. Never happened before either.

What is goin on.

recon1
Title: Frame Rate Stinks!!!
Post by: bockko on October 01, 2003, 09:15:38 PM
what are your system specs? what have you tried? you may have xtra programs running, you may need a defrag, could have a virus. doing any file sharing? Have you changed video settings or changed drivers?
Title: Frame Rate Stinks!!!
Post by: Skuzzy on October 02, 2003, 09:14:08 AM
I suspect something is running in background, such as a worm or virus, maybe some spyware.  Or you are under some sort of DOS attack.  This would also explain the loss of UDP.

Sudden drops in frame rates are indicative of the CPU being used for something else.  Look in the task manager and see what percentage of CPU is being used by Aces High.  It should be at 99% or better.
My guess is that the percentage percentage will be lower.
Title: Task Manager?
Post by: recon1 on October 02, 2003, 06:16:07 PM
I would love to check task manager. Where is it?

recon1
Title: Frame Rate Stinks!!!
Post by: Skuzzy on October 02, 2003, 06:22:52 PM
Just hit CTRL-ALT-DEL and press the "Task Manager" button, then hit the "Processes" tab to see the list of what is running and a what CPU percentage.
Title: OK
Post by: recon1 on October 02, 2003, 06:47:24 PM
CTRL ALT DEL brings up the close program box. No task manager button there. I use Windows Millenium. What next my friend??
Title: Frame Rate Stinks!!!
Post by: Dlitz on October 04, 2003, 10:05:31 AM
Hey Recon & Skuzzy i checked my task manager,and AH was using 50% and Rundll32.exe was using 50%.What is this file,and should it be running and using so  much of the cpu resources.:confused:      
                                                                           Dlitz
 Pent 4 3 gig
 512 meg ram
 nvidea fx5200
Title: Frame Rate Stinks!!!
Post by: buzkill on October 04, 2003, 10:11:22 AM
with me the only 2 programs you need are systray and explorer shut the rest down
Title: Frame Rate Stinks!!!
Post by: Flossy on October 04, 2003, 02:21:51 PM
Get a copy of EndItAll - that will close down everything that's not needed - then open AH.  :)
Title: Frame Rate Stinks!!!
Post by: DAVENRINO on October 04, 2003, 02:24:06 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Skuzzy
 Look in the task manager and see what percentage of CPU is being used by Aces High.  It should be at 99% or better.


AH uses 98% - 99% on mine.  The other 1% or 2 % go to task manager or CSRSS.EXE.  It seems to be some kind of system file but i am curious if anyone knows what  CSRSS.EXE is.

Thanks,
DJ229
Title: Frame Rate Stinks!!!
Post by: BlckMgk on October 06, 2003, 11:20:15 AM
Process File: csrss or csrss.exe
Process Name: Client/Server Runtime Server Subsystem
Description: The Windows Client Server Runtime Subsystem handles Windows and Graphics Functions for all Subsystems
Common Errors: N/A
System Process: Yes

and there is an old virus which puts itself in the csrss.exe file check it here:

Virus Information for csrss.exe at symantec.com (http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.dalbug.worm.html)
Title: Frame Rate Stinks!!!
Post by: DAVENRINO on October 10, 2003, 06:40:23 PM
BlckMgk,
Thanks for info.
DJ229 - AIR MAFIA
Title: Frame Rate Stinks!!!
Post by: scJazz on October 18, 2003, 08:36:52 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Dlitz
Hey Recon & Skuzzy i checked my task manager,and AH was using 50% and Rundll32.exe was using 50%.What is this file,and should it be running and using so  much of the cpu resources.:confused:      
                                                                           Dlitz
 Pent 4 3 gig
 512 meg ram
 nvidea fx5200


Usually Rundll32 running constantly with high CPU use indicates a virus/trojan/worm is operating on your computer. At other times it is an unfinished installation program wanting to complete its' job.
Title: Frame Rate Stinks!!!
Post by: Skuzzy on October 18, 2003, 09:44:23 AM
What scJazz said.  AH should be using 98% or higher, if all things are running correctly.  Something is running on your computer and chewing up CPU time.  Not good!
Title: Frame Rate Stinks!!!
Post by: Tillie38 on October 21, 2003, 10:10:43 AM
So should I be concerned if my CPU is not at 98%?  I'm 50% idle running AH and I have stinky frame rates even after driver oprimization and spyware cleaning.

P4 2.5
512meg
Gfrc 4 MMX 440 64(omega drivers)
Title: Frame Rate Stinks!!!
Post by: Skuzzy on October 21, 2003, 10:48:38 AM
Yes Tillie.  Microsoft engineered DX to run at maximum CPU percentages.  This allows the best performance.

It also gives you a clue as to something being wrong with your system if DX cannot acquire over 95% of the CPU.

If you are only getting 50% CPU for AH/DX, then something is stealing a lot of CPU cycles, which would be other software running in background.
Title: Frame Rate Stinks!!!
Post by: aw3dhg on October 21, 2003, 08:51:13 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Skuzzy
Yes Tillie.  Microsoft engineered DX to run at maximum CPU percentages.  This allows the best performance.

It also gives you a clue as to something being wrong with your system if DX cannot acquire over 95% of the CPU.

If you are only getting 50% CPU for AH/DX, then something is stealing a lot of CPU cycles, which would be other software running in background.


does this hold true even for newer HT enabled machines like mine  I get 2 cpu usage graphs and one is idle during ah play even though ah is all that is running .. I ask because in order to bench my system using Prime95 torture test I have to run 2 seperate instances of the program (open one normally and the other from the run dialog with this command to test this if you have a "C" class p-4 system ""C:\Program Files\Prime95\Prime95.exe" -a2") to reach 100 percent system capacity  otherwise only 1 of the cpu's is used by that program which is designed to use all cpu cycles for the benchmarking process .. I suspect this is an exception to the AH displays 100% usage rule and should be noted for HT system users
Title: Frame Rate Stinks!!!
Post by: Skuzzy on October 22, 2003, 07:26:05 AM
DX is not multi-threaded, so it will only use one CPU, regardless of hom many there are.  The one CPU should show over 95% usage.
Title: Frame Rate Stinks!!!
Post by: Tillie38 on October 22, 2003, 11:31:02 AM
Thanks for the reply Skuzzy.

It is true that AH is using only 50% of the CPU but the other 50% is idle.  Thats the part that doesn't make sense.  No other processes are taking more than 1% of the prcessors time.  Yet my total processor usage never exceeds 60% even during very slow frame rate times.  Any ideas?  
This is on XP by the way.

Thx.
Title: Frame Rate Stinks!!!
Post by: Skuzzy on October 22, 2003, 11:37:36 AM
If a process is not showing to use any CPU time, is not listed, then the CPU time usage is coming from the OS dealing with some external influence.
Such as network DOS attacks, some device driver (other than video) hung in a loop, interrupt floods from some hardware device, or a rather long list of other things.

Basically, the OS is using the CPU in handling with some external situation, which will not show in the process list.  What does the "System Idle Process" show as its percentage?  It is a clue that the OS is having to deal with something.
Title: Frame Rate Stinks!!!
Post by: Cooley on October 22, 2003, 01:24:46 PM
When out of game, "System Idle Process" is 99%,
When in Game SIP is 50% and AH is 50%

Is this ok? any tips to fix would be welcome

S!
Title: Frame Rate Stinks!!!
Post by: Tillie38 on October 24, 2003, 08:37:39 AM
I was finally able to verify that my SIP is also at 50% while playing AH also.  I wonder why. :confused:
Title: Frame Rate Stinks!!!
Post by: 214thCavalier on October 24, 2003, 04:58:29 PM
Ok i have CPU usage percentage showing as 50% when in AH.

However i think the reason is its treating both threads of hyperthreading as 100% and if your only using in effect 1 cpu then the display shows only 50% as the total cpu usage.

In support of this the 2 graphs displayed for cpu usage, the thread in use shows around 90 - 95% peaking in the graph but the other thread of course is idling.
Title: Frame Rate Stinks!!!
Post by: Tillie38 on October 24, 2003, 06:47:28 PM
Whoops...I'm on a single processor machine.  Still 50% SIP.
Title: Frame Rate Stinks!!!
Post by: Skuzzy on October 24, 2003, 09:35:04 PM
Sytem Idle of %50 is not good.  This means there is something causing the OS to use up resources.  

System idle should be 0 when AH is running, or any DX based program actually.

In normal circumstances, that is what should be happening.  If your system is not doing that, then you need to dig deep and find out why.  Could be a virus, a worm, an errant Windows process, a bad driver, or a malady of other things.

In a multi-threaded computer system, one of the CPU's should show more than 95% being used by AH and the CPU Idle for that CPU should be 0.
Title: Frame Rate Stinks!!!
Post by: 214thCavalier on October 25, 2003, 09:12:27 AM
For a multi threaded system the problem as far as i can see is it bundles both threads together to make a total of 100%, it does not show individual thread CPU idle resources.

However it does show individual thread CPU usage ie load but only on the graphs display.

So when one thread is running AH at 95% approx usage, you can expect the other thread to show near zero cpu usage.

Because the cpu idle process bundles both threads together it does of course show approx 50% idle process.
Title: Frame Rate Stinks!!!
Post by: Marco50 on October 25, 2003, 05:15:45 PM
Flossy can u help me out with becomeing a CM?.....Pls :)
Title: Frame Rate Stinks!!!
Post by: Flossy on October 25, 2003, 07:04:22 PM
Nice thread hijack!  :rofl See my reply to your other thread. :)