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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: mistblade on October 01, 2003, 06:04:23 PM
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To be honest the Catalina and swordfish where in the war but thay are slow but good ah2 needs sea planes in it and if you dont agree thats cool and the sword fish is a brit torpedo biplane
now that is a two preson plane it's a wwI biplane but good well dont bs on this or ill close this chat tell me what you think but dont dis me or my thoughts and i know what both planes where used for so :p
mess with the best, Die like the rest.
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would be nice, if nothing else then as something you can take off from ports with
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i agree with you but there si more thigns to worry about like night fighters and bugs with ah2 to work out
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for the moment:)
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a squadron of swordfish took off from HMS Ark Royal,
and attacked the Bismark, resulting in enough damage for the british fleet to catch it and then sink it
Good plane to be in AH2, The catalina was the plane that actually
spotted the bismark, enableing the Ark Royal to launch its attack of Swordfish onto the Bismark.
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Originally posted by Duel1
a squadron of swordfish took off from HMS Ark Royal,
and attacked the Bismark, resulting in enough damage for the british fleet to catch it and then sink it
Good plane to be in AH2, The catalina was the plane that actually
spotted the bismark, enableing the Ark Royal to launch its attack of Swordfish onto the Bismark.
Only one torpedo did anything if I am not mistaken.
It stuck the ship's lateral control surfaces.
Just a very lucky shot from a plane that should have been removed from service long before the war started.
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so it was very sucessful in a raid on a itailain harbor during ww2 the odds where agsinist them but they won. So it would be sweet ot have the swordfish but a 153 would be good to
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frist of all the sword fish hit the rudder of the bismark and ther not to good speed wise so but on
one hand if there was a hole lot a lot a lot there would be a good strike but other words bad now we talk about the cat more o and yes i got thes two planees out of a book calledexploring thr bismark
and remember talk bout the catalina
P.S. "Mess with the best, Die like the rest" teamblade qoute.
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Numbers of Swordfish to attack the Biz were actually low...I think only 8 or 12 planes. And all of the planes RTB'd. Only in the Aces High would the aircraft slow speed be a weakness, where as in life that slow speed was a great advantage, yet unrealized by all, but still a great advantage to the SF.
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The Swordfish was NOT a WW1 Biplane.
Now, raiding Bismarck, they scored another hit, but the belt armor held, - so no damage.
The Prime time of the Swordfish was when attacking the Italian Navy at Taranto, scoring hits on 3 major Italian ships, putting them out of action for a long time. Only 2 planes were lost.
Although slow and out-dated, the Swordfish did its job. It was a very sturdy airplane, and had good handling which helped a lot under tough cirkumstances in carrier operations.
Swordfish to AH? One day, but it'll be a while.
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Come on, people would fly the Swordfish and then never again.It would be a novelty plane and nothing more.
If theyre going to make a Sea Plane then it should be the Sunderland or Catalina because both could easily hold their own in the MA.
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The catalina would be dead meat.
The Emily might have a slight chance of surviving and it outperforms the Catalina in almost every category.
In AH the swordfish would be worst then dead meat.
It is barely faster then WW1 planes.
It as weak defense.
Its toughness would be useless against CV ack.
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Catalina? How much of a chance if you get bounced?
At least the Swordfish would have a chance, - the thing would out-turn almost anything we have in AH. Still, so can the Val....
Now a Sunderland, - that's a different story. Massive and rugged and heavily armed.
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And there's two distinct mentalities when it comes to aircraft and vehicle additions to AH as well. One thinks primariliy in terms of how the addition would perform in the MA. The other thinks in terms of how much of a benefit the addition would be to historical scenarios and CT planesets. Given HT's dream of TOD (which this particular forum is dedicated to), I wouldn't be surprised to see some "lesser performing" planes added to the game. Just like it would make sense to add the Sherman tank for both TOD and Western European scenario setups even though the Panzer has a slight edge and the Tiger really overpowers it. After all, the MA already has the lion's share of high performance and all planes and vehicles are available to all chesspieces. Truly an "immersive" enviroment. Ahem. ;)
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slow sea planes would just be another set of targets for us to shoot down. and, the CV ack in AH would rip 'em to shreds.
TBolt
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You can explain it to `em but ya obviously can't understand it for `em. ;)
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>>>slow sea planes would just be another set of targets for us to shoot down. and, the CV ack in AH would rip 'em to shreds.
Originally posted by Arlo
You can explain it to `em but ya obviously can't understand it for `em. ;)
;) :lol
of course, HTC could aways DEDUCT perkies for shooting down the slower sea planes...that would give 'em half a chance of survival. :p
TBolt
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mistblade ... Is english not your native language ? ... because I am having a real hard time trying to understand what the hell you are writing about.
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Originally posted by F4i
;) :lol
of course, HTC could aways DEDUCT perkies for shooting down the slower sea planes...that would give 'em half a chance of survival. :p
TBolt
There's lots of things that don't see the light of day (hardly) in the MA that have a place in scenarios and the CT, T. The F4F ... the P40B. Do you think those were modeled to cater to the MAsses? ;) No they were modeled to offer a more complete set for the players who enjoy scenarios and historical setups. Get it? No? Here .... try to hop on this train of thought and not fall off.
"Tour of Duty" is HiTech's proposal for a more immersive enviroment for his customer base. Can you say immersive? Yes? Good .... I knew you could. It supposedly will feature AI aircraft filling in gaps for a 24/7 war. The players will create actual "avatars" (player-characters?) that they will attempt to keep alive and well throughout the war ... hopefully gaining some glory and having fun doing it in the process. Can you say avatar? Yes? Good .... I knew you could.
Back to immersion. The MA, while fun in itself .... is not designed for total immersion. Immersion is hampered by Bishop ponies and Rook ponies dogfighting over the landscape of an alien world.
Now immersion isn't everyone's cup-o-tea ... that's understood. But apparently HT thinks that it appeals to enough of his customer base to warrant his expense and labor developing TOD.
And what does this have to do with seaplanes and such? Well hell, T ... having them included is another level of immersion. Even if nothing but AI pilots fly the damned things, escorting them on a "fake" rescue mission ... or even a "real" one ( or even being rescued by them) is more ... immersive.
Now ... if ... for some reason ... HT decides to model Catalinas or any other type of seaplane..... I mean .. if he think's it's worth his while to add to the immersive qualities of TOD .... you can rest assured that his "waste of time and resources" probably won't result in your or anyone else in the MA being forced to fly a seaplane occasionally. And I'm sure if you see some crazy dude up one in the MA that it'll just chap your hide ... while you line it up. :D
Yeah .. I know ... you don't get it. That's ok. :rofl
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i sead talk bout the cat and sword not the other sea planes so forum close bye.....
P.S. "mess with the best, Die like the rest" team blade qoute.
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the stukas are slow and i always seem to get plenty of perk points when i fly one LOL:D
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Something tells me you don't quite understand the nature of these forums or threads in general, mist.
1: Forum closed?
2: Theads deviate all the time. At least a discussion of the merits of adding seaplanes in general to the planeset is related. You haven't seen a real hijacking yet, I take? :D
3: And if you think others are deviating from your stated objective, the best way to try to get it back on course certainly can't be making a statement that you are bowing out of the thread. (Which I assume was your intent)
:)
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Now this thread is starting to get mighty interesting...:D
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someone bring up the subject of HO's so we can REALLY get this party started... :D j/k
Arlo,
I understand your point regarding immersion and HTC's vision for AH2 TOD, but you don't have to be a condescending j3rk-0ff about it. :p
TBolt
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Originally posted by F4i
someone bring up the subject of HO's so we can REALLY get this party started... :D j/k
Arlo,
I understand your point regarding immersion and HTC's vision for AH2 TOD, but you don't have to be a condescending j3rk-0ff about it. :p
TBolt
If you understood then what was up with all that "we don't need targuts, derrrr" stuff? :D
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Originally posted by mistblade
frist of all i dont read all of them
Which is why I explained it to ya, misty. :D
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Originally posted by Arlo
"we don't need targuts, derrrr" stuff? :D
You've misquoted me, Arlo. I never said, "we don't need targuts...." Nor, did I imply any such thing. I simply stated that these sea planes would obviously be easy targets (in the MA).
If you feel immersed in an aura of historical accuracy by being cannon fodder; then, by all means, fly the damn thing. But, don't change my comments for your own amusement, Arlo.
Do I think the sea plane could add value in other arenas? Sure.
TBolt
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My bad ....
"slow sea planes ... derrrrr .... would just be ...... derrrrr ... another set of targets ..... derrrrr ..... for us to shoot down ..... derrrrr. and, the CV ack ...... derrrrrr ........ in AH ...... derrrrr ...... would rip 'em to shreds ....... derrrrrrr."
Which is the same `ol tardument offered up whenever anyone suggests a plane that isn't as uber as the top of the MA totem pole being an interesting addition. Some models don't need to surpass the 262 to be a valuable addition to the game. Not that the CAT is on the top of my personal list .... it's just the MA tunnel-vision tardliness of your argument that was kind of an irresistable ..... "targut .... derrrr." But if you wanna try to make it fit within the TOD discussion of what would or wouldn't be cool to see someday... feel free to try. Just please try harder. ;)
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Originally posted by Arlo
Which is the same `ol tardument offered up whenever anyone suggests a plane that isn't as uber...it's just the MA tunnel-vision tardliness of your argument that was kind of an irresistable ..... "targut .... derrrr." But if you wanna try to make it fit within the TOD discussion of what would or wouldn't be cool to see someday... feel free to try.
No, let's just agree that I made a simple observation from the MA p.o.v. because MA is all I'm interested in, and you're irritated because your TOD arenas are still "2 weeks" away. ;) Don't worry, though...soon you will be able to have fun in your "immersion" style of play. Until then, you're stuck with the rest of us. :cool: ;)
TBolt
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Originally posted by F4i
No, let's just agree that I made a simple observation from the MA p.o.v. because MA is all I'm interested in, and you're irritated because your TOD arenas are still "2 weeks" away. ;) Don't worry, though...soon you will be able to have fun in your "immersion" style of play. Until then, you're stuck with the rest of us. :cool: ;)
TBolt
The MA is all you're interested in? Are you lost? (Rhetorical, relax) :D
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Originally posted by Arlo
The MA is all you're interested in? Are you lost? (Rhetorical, relax) :D
:lol I don't need anything more than the MA because I'm a Ghost. We already have a pecking order & many missions & other cooperative sorties to participate in; so, TOD is just another arena to me. ;)
TBone
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Originally posted by F4i
:lol I don't need anything more than the MA because I'm a Ghost. We already have a pecking order & many missions & other cooperative sorties to participate in; so, TOD is just another arena to me. ;)
TBone
Ahhh ... again you didn't understand. That's ok. I didn't expect otherwise really. ;)
"Aces High II: Tour of Duty
Discussion about the upcoming release of the next generation of Aces High."
General forum is one floor down. That way you're less likely to get all confused and distraught whenever someone suggests something that just plain don't make sense to you. :D
But good to meet ya, hope ya enjoyed the TOD forum.
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In AH the swordfish would be worst then dead meat.
It as weak defense.
Its toughness would be useless against CV ack.
Kind of like the B5N? Bring on the Swordfish why the hell not?:D
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In AH the swordfish would be worst then dead meat.
It as weak defense.
Its toughness would be useless against CV ack.
Kind of like the B5N? Bring on the Swordfish why the hell not?
Arlo quote:
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Originally posted by F4i
I don't need anything more than the MA because I'm a Ghost. We already have a pecking order & many missions & other cooperative sorties to participate in; so, TOD is just another arena to me.
TBone
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Ahhh ... again you didn't understand. That's ok. I didn't expect otherwise really.
"Aces High II: Tour of Duty
Discussion about the upcoming release of the next generation of Aces High."
General forum is one floor down. That way you're less likely to get all confused and distraught whenever someone suggests something that just plain don't make sense to you.
But good to meet ya, hope ya enjoyed the TOD forum.
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Originally posted by Arlo
The MA is all you're interested in? Are you lost? (Rhetorical, relax)
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I don't need anything more than the MA because I'm a Ghost. We already have a pecking order & many missions & other cooperative sorties to participate in; so, TOD is just another arena to me.
TBone
Arlo quote:
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Originally posted by F4i
No, let's just agree that I made a simple observation from the MA p.o.v. because MA is all I'm interested in, and you're irritated because your TOD arenas are still "2 weeks" away. Don't worry, though...soon you will be able to have fun in your "immersion" style of play. Until then, you're stuck with the rest of us.
TBolt
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The MA is all you're interested in? Are you lost? (Rhetorical, relax)
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Originally posted by Arlo
Which is the same `ol tardument offered up whenever anyone suggests a plane that isn't as uber...it's just the MA tunnel-vision tardliness of your argument that was kind of an irresistable ..... "targut .... derrrr." But if you wanna try to make it fit within the TOD discussion of what would or wouldn't be cool to see someday... feel free to try.
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No, let's just agree that I made a simple observation from the MA p.o.v. because MA is all I'm interested in, and you're irritated because your TOD arenas are still "2 weeks" away. Don't worry, though...soon you will be able to have fun in your "immersion" style of play. Until then, you're stuck with the rest of us.
TBolt
Arlo My bad ....
"slow sea planes ... derrrrr .... would just be ...... derrrrr ... another set of targets ..... derrrrr ..... for us to shoot down ..... derrrrr. and, the CV ack ...... derrrrrr ........ in AH ...... derrrrr ...... would rip 'em to shreds ....... derrrrrrr."
Which is the same `ol tardument offered up whenever anyone suggests a plane that isn't as uber as the top of the MA totem pole being an interesting addition. Some models don't need to surpass the 262 to be a valuable addition to the game. Not that the CAT is on the top of my personal list .... it's just the MA tunnel-vision tardliness of your argument that was kind of an irresistable ..... "targut .... derrrr." But if you wanna try to make it fit within the TOD discussion of what would or wouldn't be cool to see someday... feel free to try. Just please try harder.
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Originally posted by Arlo
"we don't need targuts, derrrr" stuff?
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You've misquoted me, Arlo. I never said, "we don't need targuts...." Nor, did I imply any such thing. I simply stated that these sea planes would obviously be easy targets (in the MA).
If you feel immersed in an aura of historical accuracy by being cannon fodder; then, by all means, fly the damn thing. But, don't change my comments for your own amusement, Arlo.
Do I think the sea plane could add value in other arenas? Sure.
TBolt
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Originally posted by mistblade
frist of all i dont read all of them
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Which is why I explained it to ya, misty.
Arlo quote:
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Originally posted by F4i
someone bring up the subject of HO's so we can REALLY get this party started... j/k
Arlo,
I understand your point regarding immersion and HTC's vision for AH2 TOD, but you don't have to be a condescending j3rk-0ff about it.
TBolt
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If you understood then what was up with all that "we don't need targuts, derrrr" stuff?
F4i someone bring up the subject of HO's so we can REALLY get this party started... j/k
Arlo,
I understand your point regarding immersion and HTC's vision for AH2 TOD, but you don't have to be a condescending j3rk-0ff about it.
TBolt
thrila Now this thread is starting to get mighty interesting...
mistblade frist of all i dont read all of them
Arlo Something tells me you don't quite understand the nature of these forums or threads in general, mist.
1: Forum closed?
2: Theads deviate all the time. At least a discussion of the merits of adding seaplanes in general to the planeset is related. You haven't seen a real hijacking yet, I take?
3: And if you think others are deviating from your stated objective, the best way to try to get it back on course certainly can't be making a statement that you are bowing out of the thread. (Which I assume was your intent)
mrblack the stukas are slow and i always seem to get plenty of perk points when i fly one LOL
mistblade i sead talk bout the cat and sword not the other sea planes so forum close bye.....
P.S. "mess with the best, Die like the rest" team blade qoute.
Arlo quote:
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Originally posted by F4i
of course, HTC could aways DEDUCT perkies for shooting down the slower sea planes...that would give 'em half a chance of survival.
TBolt
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There's lots of things that don't see the light of day (hardly) in the MA that have a place in scenarios and the CT, T. The F4F ... the P40B. Do you think those were modeled to cater to the MAsses? No they were modeled to offer a more complete set for the players who enjoy scenarios and historical setups. Get it? No? Here .... try to hop on this train of thought and not fall off.
"Tour of Duty" is HiTech's proposal for a more immersive enviroment for his customer base. Can you say immersive? Yes? Good .... I knew you could. It supposedly will feature AI aircraft filling in gaps for a 24/7 war. The players will create actual "avatars" (player-characters?) that they will attempt to keep alive and well throughout the war ... hopefully gaining some glory and having fun doing it in the process. Can you say avatar? Yes? Good .... I knew you could.
Back to immersion. The MA, while fun in itself .... is not designed for total immersion. Immersion is hampered by Bishop ponies and Rook ponies dogfighting over the landscape of an alien world.
Now immersion isn't everyone's cup-o-tea ... that's understood. But apparently HT thinks that it appeals to enough of his customer base to warrant his expense and labor developing TOD.
And what does this have to do with seaplanes and such? Well hell, T ... having them included is another level of immersion. Even if nothing but AI pilots fly the damned things, escorting them on a "fake" rescue mission ... or even a "real" one ( or even being rescued by them) is more ... immersive.
Now ... if ... for some reason ... HT decides to model Catalinas or any other type of seaplane..... I mean .. if he think's it's worth his while to add to the immersive qualities of TOD .... you can rest assured that his "waste of time and resources" probably won't result in your or anyone else in the MA being forced to fly a seaplane occasionally. And I'm sure if you see some crazy dude up one in the MA that it'll just chap your hide ... while you line it up.
Yeah .. I know ... you don't get it. That's ok.
SlapShot mistblade ... Is english not your native language ? ... because I am having a real hard time trying to understand what the hell you are writing about.
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>>>slow sea planes would just be another set of targets for us to shoot down. and, the CV ack in AH would rip 'em to shreds.
Originally posted by Arlo
You can explain it to `em but ya obviously can't understand it for `em.
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of course, HTC could aways DEDUCT perkies for shooting down the slower sea planes...that would give 'em half a chance of survival.
TBolt
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Thanks for the recap of the entire thread, Misty ... but since we're already here, it was pretty much unneccesary. You'll get there.
:D
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Originally posted by Arlo
But good to meet ya, hope ya enjoyed the TOD forum.
Ah, cr@p...I asked the hostess, "Where's the bar?" And, she sent me here. :rolleyes: :lol I'm clearly in the wrong room. :D
TBolt
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Well while you're here ... let me buy you a beer. :)
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next round is on me. :)
TBolt
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here here now dont get drunk
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alro whats your yahoo im name:cool: :p :D :)
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No misty .... no messenger proggies on my machine. Ma Mah ... mah .... mahma says IM is da debil.
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JOKE THE CATALINA AND WATCH ME DIVE BOMB UR bellybutton AND KILL U WITH ONE OF THOSE PLANES ONE DAY CAUSE THEY WERE USED IN NIGHT ATTACKS IN THE PACIFIC THEATRE :mad:
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Ma, Ma, Ma.. thats all I ever hear when talking about WW2 Biplanes...
But you know, theres more to the game than the MA!
Sorry, dont mean to sound offensive, its just people seem to totally ignore scenarios, CT, and the upcoming TOD.
I would fly a swordfish, gloster gladiator, or any other biplane in the MA as I had flown the D3a Val in the MA while I still had an paying account (Got quite alot of kills with it too, especially spits who thought they could out turn me ! Haha I love .303 cals :) )
I am all for a swordfish, as well as a gloster gladiator and cr42 to rival it.
Some people, like myself, like to fly the worst of the worst, just for the fun, just for the challenge! Personally, I dont like flying the latest greatest planes, it just gives me very little satisfaction compared to shooting down a spit in a val or hurri mk1!
But, lets think more about the real reason biplanes would be added. TOD/CT/Scenarios.
Aces High is getting very much into scenarios and such, which I love and very much aprove of! And early war scenarios are always fun.. but often we must make compromises for non-existing planes.
Oh, also I must say.. The reason the swordfish squad sank the bismark, and not only sank it but didnt loose a single plane, was because of the fabric covered wings. The rounds would simply slice right through the fabric without triggering the explosives in the bullets, therefore they just left a few harmless holes in the wings.
That mission probably would not have been successfull had later planes been used, they would've probably be blown to bits.
If I recall right, I think the swordfish was still in service up untill about the early 50's, I think it was 52 to be exact, but im probably a few years off on that :)
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JOKE THE CATALINA AND WATCH ME DIVE BOMB UR bellybutton AND KILL U WITH ONE OF THOSE PLANES ONE DAY CAUSE THEY WERE USED IN NIGHT ATTACKS IN THE PACIFIC THEATRE
uh..... what?
If I recall right, I think the swordfish was still in service up untill about the early 50's, I think it was 52 to be exact, but im probably a few years off on that
You sure about that Cajun? I have no idea myself, just thought it was replaced later in the war. Id look myself but my stinking books are in storage:(
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Im sure it stayed in service with great britain throughout the war, but I do not remember if it was in service with britain up untill the 50s, im pretty sure it was though. But it was in service that long, regardless of the country. As the Gloster Gladiator remained in service untill 1947, though not with great britain. The point was, it had a job, and it did it well. And without it, things would have been much harder.
When the fighting begins, you must win the war with what you have, not with what you may have in the future!
That is the differance of the strategist and the tactician.
Stratigey is creating a good position to be in.
Tactics is winning in the position set to you by the strategist, wether it be good or bad, but winning with what you have available!
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What is it with all the 10 year olds inhabiting this forum? :confused:
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Originally posted by Rutilant
What is it with all the 10 year olds inhabiting this forum? :confused:
lol:lol im not 10 im 14;)