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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: NJMAW on October 02, 2003, 11:32:00 AM
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I have been wondering how mich did planes tanks and weapons in general cost to produce per copy?
I know that a P38J ran about 90k+ and a P51D was over 50K.
Anyone have a webpage or any idea how much these things cost?:confused:
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PzIV Ausf.G: 103.462 reich marks (http://www.kolumbus.fi/staga/wwiiol/PzIV_F1_F2_G.jpg) without armament.
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Do you know the exchange rate for DM back them?
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It would be virually impossible to "cost" German equipment.
Slave labour is a tough thing to figure out. You have to feed them...although not much. Then there is the housing, de-lousing, guards, trucks to carry out those who have been worked to death..etc, etc.
It's all part of the cost of production.
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NJMAW:
World War 2 Aircraft and GV Costs (1940-1941 figures)
SBD-2 Dauntless $ 59,814
B-17 $ 200,000
B-26 $130,000
OS2U Kingfisher $49,195
M-3 $33,500
[Source: World War II Almanac 1931-1945, by Robert Goralski]
MRPLUTO VMF-323 ~Death Rattlers~ MAG-33
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Curval,
Actually the Nazis did a very accurate job of calculating the cost of slave labor. They figured out just how much it would take to keep people barely alive. They even calculated the value of the corpse: gold teeth, for example. Pretty sick.
MRPLUTO
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AFAIK the Germans didn't use slaves in the production of tanks or other high-tech (at that time) items. I do know they were used in the ammo factories and for general labor. German tanks were of very high quality compared to most others (if not all).
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Originally posted by GScholz
AFAIK the Germans didn't use slaves in the production of tanks or other high-tech (at that time) items. I do know they were used in the ammo factories and for general labor. German tanks were of very high quality compared to most others (if not all).
Me163s, V1s, V2s and He162s were all built using slave labor. I don't know about Me262s.
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I've read that the munitions made by slave labor had much higher dud rates than those made by paid, loyal workers.
A combination of sabotage and lack of motivation, obviously.
MRPLUTO
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262's as well. All Messer's. Willy did a little time in stir for that.
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1940-1941. 5000 pounds per Spitfire. Can't remember the price of beer at the time though.:D :D
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http://www.usaaf.net/digest/t82.htm
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Originally posted by MRPLUTO
I've read that the munitions made by slave labor had much higher dud rates than those made by paid, loyal workers.
A combination of sabotage and lack of motivation, obviously.
MRPLUTO
To change this to modern times...
I always wondered when the US sells certain missiles, like say a 'sidewinder' wouldn't it be prudent to install a chip that would make the missile miss it's target if it were fired on an American plane?
It would be simple to do, you just need some sort of I.D.ing software that could read the radar profile then send the missile just a bit offcourse? I mean it couldn't be blatent, like a self destruct, but maybe just a premature detonation?
Just wonderin.
Bumba
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Originally posted by airbumba
It would be simple to do, you just need some sort of I.D.ing software that could read the radar profile then send the missile just a bit offcourse? I mean it couldn't be blatent, like a self destruct, but maybe just a premature detonation?
Yeah, but then it could be that your good buddy who you sold all those F-14's too (like, say, oh Iran) gets into a shooting war with you.
You never know what type of equipment your really need to be firing at, so you sure don't want to hamstring yourself.
Ouch out
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Originally posted by airbumba
To change this to modern times...
I always wondered when the US sells certain missiles, like say a 'sidewinder' wouldn't it be prudent to install a chip that would make the missile miss it's target if it were fired on an American plane?
It would be simple to do, you just need some sort of I.D.ing software that could read the radar profile then send the missile just a bit offcourse? I mean it couldn't be blatent, like a self destruct, but maybe just a premature detonation?
Just wonderin.
Bumba
Not really possible since the interrogation system for IFF (Identify Friend Foe) is located in the launch vehicle not the weapon system itself. The weapon system includes a fuse for detonating the warhead but at this point it doesn't care what the target is just that it reached X distance. This is how we can still manage to whack friendly aircraft with our Pheonix missiles. Dipwad pilot lights up friendly and pulls the trigger. As for putting an interrogation system inside the weapon itself wouldn't work. It would be obvious to Freshman Electrical Engineer student what this bit of stuff is and he would yank it out.
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There are such things.
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Thanks MrPluto and others for the info. I think it would be interesting to make a one stop webpage on the production cost of World War II equipment.
I know that the German's slave laborers sabotaged some of the v2 rockets. The History Channel had a show a few weeks back on that.
Tonight the History Channel is doing a show on America's WWII soldiers firearms and the following show is about the Japanese horrible soldiers firearms.
I am not sure the Germans used slave labor before Poland was invaded so 109's etc had to cost something to build. I am sure the people who built them had families to support.
Interesting Spit cost 5000 pounds! Compared to the mustangs and Thunderbolts or even the p40 thats dirt cheap!
:lol
http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/gustin_military/strength.html
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Originally posted by TimRas
http://www.usaaf.net/digest/t82.htm
WOW TimRas that is great!
Now I need other countries! But this is great though!
:)
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That's part of the reason the P-47 and P-38 were phased out of service rather quickly after WW2. It was simply cheaper to build/maintain P-51's over the more expensive P-47s and P-38s.
I came back to bite them in the butt in the Korean War. The US had to field P-51's in a ground attack role, a role it was never really designed for. I am sure may good pilots lost their lives due to a radiator shot from rifle fire. P-38s and P-47s would have survived this kind of fire more often.
Curiously the F4U was kept in service by the Navy (barely stayed alive) and it became one of the premier ground attack aircraft of the Korean War. Similar to the P-47 in a lot of respects, radial engine, could hold a lot of weapons and very durable. I am sure a lot of Navy pilots were glad the F4U wasn't phased out of service as quickly as the P-47 was.
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German tanks were of very high quality compared to most others (if not all).
Those tanks were of such high quality that some broke down after driving 100 yards off production line;) Yes they had ALOT better armor and artilary, but not nessisarily more reliable.
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Originally posted by MRPLUTO
Curval,
Actually the Nazis did a very accurate job of calculating the cost of slave labor. They figured out just how much it would take to keep people barely alive. They even calculated the value of the corpse: gold teeth, for example. Pretty sick.
MRPLUTO
You can't say they weren't efficient.
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Originally posted by wetrat
You can't say they weren't efficient.
Or uniquely sick.
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might explain why the japanese had some crappy firearms. Slave morale! j/k
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Originally posted by NJMAW
I have been wondering how mich did planes tanks and weapons in general cost to produce per copy?
I know that a P38J ran about 90k+ and a P51D was over 50K.
Anyone have a webpage or any idea how much these things cost?:confused:
They cost enough and turned enough profit to justify a continued War;)
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Originally posted by scJazz
Not really possible since the interrogation system for IFF (Identify Friend Foe) is located in the launch vehicle not the weapon system itself. ... As for putting an interrogation system inside the weapon itself wouldn't work. It would be obvious to Freshman Electrical Engineer student what this bit of stuff is and he would yank it out.
For passive-homing and semi-active homing missiles, you're right; the circuitry for an active interrogation system would be readily identifiable. However, if properly designed, it would be difficult to remove the circuitry without disabling the seeker head.
With active-homing missiles, however, that problem doesn't exist; an IFF interrogation could be built into the circuitry of the seeker head, and it would be undetectable except in actual use, and impossible to remove.
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Angus reports that a Spitfire cost 5,000 pounds in 1940-41. Anyone know the exchange rate for the pound/dollar then? My guess is somewhere between $3 and $5 to one pound.
MRPLUTO
Found the answer more easily than I thought:
In 1934 the pound hit a high against the dollar at over $5 a pound. During the 40's it remained constant at about $4/pound.
Click here for the source of this info. (http://www.miketodd.net/encyc/dollhist.htm)
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Originally posted by teevin
They cost enough and turned enough profit to justify a continued War;)
LOL I guess the Germans turned a profit before operation Barbarossa too. lol:lol