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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Eagler on October 03, 2003, 11:04:46 AM
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no enlightened opinion on his teams findings?
sounds like he found enough to justify Bush and then some - notice how little the media speaks of what he found and how much on what he did not?
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I would like to know how they blew through $300 Million in three months.
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I dunno, seems that a few months ago he said that his report would have 'startling revelations' as tt Saddams WMD's. I read nothing startling at all in the report.
Why did he hype the report so much berorehand? Could it be because his boss wanted it to be percieved as an upcomming bombshell with wide ranging and absolute damning evidence? Seems the facts as known now don't support such hype.
Why doesn't the media question the reasons for all the hype beforehand? Don't answer, I know, it's the medias left bias, huh?
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I am satisfied with the report. Press on.
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"I would like to know how they blew through $300 Million in three months."
Oh that's nothing. Just watch how fast the next 89 billion goes.
"Why doesn't the media question the reasons for all the hype beforehand?.."
It gets them in trouble with the "gubment" and sponsors. Then people lose thier jobs so the path of least resistance is to go with the flow and increase the ratings. IMO independent journalists do dig more for the truth. PBS is better for that than broadcast corporation. And even then these people get bashed and thier credentials questioned by those who'd rather not hear the truth or simply don't want the truth to come out period.
But what's for them to question? They (MSN, Foxnews, CNN & "talk radio" for the more obvious participants) are guilty party's in that whole creative lead up to the war. They had nothing pulled over their eyes and IMO they went a long for the ride willingly. Hell IMO they did more then ride along, they eagerly did most of the driving.
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And I thought this was going to be about Captain Queeg.
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Eagler: sounds like he found enough to justify Bush...
A child's doodling is enough to justify invasion to Bush.
As for the rest of us, David Kay acknowledges his 1400-man team of weapons inspectors came up empty in Iraq after having total access to all possible sites of weapons of mass destruction and all the Iraqi scientists.
miko
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empty?
how many violations of 1441 did he find & list?
violations which were hidden for years from the UN inspectors, violations which if at been found previous to, would have even given more weight to the invasion
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Originally posted by Eagler
empty?
how many violations of 1441 did he find & list?
violations which were hidden for years from the UN inspectors, violations which if at been found previous to, would have even given more weight to the invasion
Irrelevant. No imminent threat from Iraq. No chemical weapons. No biological weapons. No nuclear weapons.
The U.S. decided to act unilaterally and that's where we are... stuck with a unilateral bill to pay for a unilateral mess that will take decades to clean up.
And to top it off... you're no safer today than you were on September 10.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
And to top it off... you're no safer today than you were on September 10.
maybe you think so, I think I am.. therefore I am .. I think...
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Originally posted by Eagler
maybe you think so, I think I am.. therefore I am .. I think...
I can't argue that one bit. :)
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the bush haters are so boring , same old song" noWMDnoWMDnoWMD"...whatca gona do when they find them?
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
And to top it off... you're no safer today than you were on September 10.
I gurantee you are safer. If you totally ignore Iraq, there are guys who have been killed/captured/'driven into hiding' since the invasion of ATF-controlled Afghanistan that were experienced organizers for intercontinental terrorist operations.
The thwarting of the attack on the military facilities of the U.S. and U.K. (with a special detachment tasked with hitting dependents' housing and recreational facilities) in Singapore is only one example. The 'target recon' and 'briefing' video tapes made by the cell tasked with the attack were captured in Afghanistan. This gave the good guys the intel they needed to track down the cell in Singapore before the attack could be launched.
Al-Q had a steady training cycle for 'overseas' terrorist operations in place in Afghanistan. If that had not been disrupted it is a very safe bet that no small # of innocent people alive today would have been killed during the past couple of years.
Mike/wulfie
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Originally posted by miko2d
As for the rest of us, David Kay acknowledges his 1400-man team of weapons inspectors came up empty in Iraq after having total access to all possible sites of weapons of mass destruction and all the Iraqi scientists.
miko
As I pointed out in another thread, if there's to be an intelligent discussion of Kay, it may be better to read what the man actually said rather than post on what some think he said or what is filtered through the various biases.
Let me turn now to chemical weapons (CW). In searching for retained stocks of chemical munitions, ISG has had to contend with the almost unbelievable scale of Iraq's conventional weapons armory, which dwarfs by orders of magnitude the physical size of any conceivable stock of chemical weapons.
For example, there are approximately 130 known Iraqi Ammunition Storage Points (ASP), many of which exceed 50 square miles in size and hold an estimated 600,000 tons of artillery shells, rockets, aviation bombs and other ordinance. Of these 130 ASPs, approximately 120 still remain unexamined.
As Iraqi practice was not to mark much of their chemical ordinance and to store it at the same ASPs that held conventional rounds, the size of the required search effort is enormous.
Text of David Kay's unclassified statement (http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/10/02/kay.report/index.html)
It doesn't take long to read, really. I found I needed and wanted to read it twice. The guy has a lot to say... if you're willing to read with an open mind.
So what do you think, Miko?
Perhaps he did have total access. But so far, they haven't examined even 10% of the Iraqi Ammunition Storage points. Some are 50 square miles and the conventional ord and chemical ord have no specific markings or special storage sites.
What do you think? Tough job, maybe?
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
And to top it off... you're no safer today than you were on September 10.
course not... :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Toad
What do you think? Tough job, maybe?
I see absoultely no reason why 2 WEEKS shouldn't be plenty of time to finish up the job.... damnit!
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Originally posted by Tumor
course not... :rolleyes:
I lack your faith. :p
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Originally posted by john9001
the bush haters are so boring , same old song" noWMDnoWMDnoWMD"...whatca gona do when they find them?
It's already too late. Even if found, anything hidden this well is obviously not an imminent threat.
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Really?
So if they find large amounts of Sarin or VX in one of the 120 unexamined ASP's or perhaps a 1000 liters of Anthrax...
that wouldn't be considered an "imminent threat"?
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One Word......Dribble
thats the best word to describe this whole "bush lied" argument....
NO IMINENT THREAT! (my prettythang)
Lets just leave Iraq let sadam come back to power...watch him torture and kill 10,000 of his own people....in ten years he can nuke or gass kuiwat for helping with OIF and be done with it.
because as we all know he was such a swell guy! He may not have (yet) been able to reach US soil but he could reach americans overseas and other US intrests in the region.
If he's still alive lets just amend the constitution, give him a citizenship, and allow him to be the nest democratic nomination for president.
Dribble just dribble