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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Sandman on October 03, 2003, 03:45:09 PM
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http://www.sailing.org/Article_content.asp?ArticleID=5550
:rolleyes:
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Does that mean Jimmy Buffet is quite possibly the greatest sailor ever?
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
http://www.sailing.org/Article_content.asp?ArticleID=5550
:rolleyes:
Cretien just stated that after he retires he'll try pot,
"i'll have my joint in one hand and my money to pay the fine in the other"
Yeah Team!
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Cannibis, performance enhancing drug?
Only if you play the Bass
(I think that was from SNL when that snowboarder was booted from the olympics).
-Sik
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Gee it must be terrible to be unable to face life sober. I feel sorry for those unable to hack it on thier own. :(
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Don't be so judgemental, judge not lest ye be judged. Don't give anyone that sober crap .... it's opinions like yours that leave us stuck in such rediculious postions as the article illustrates.. You have your opinion but realize it is just that and don't preach it on others :) want a beer?
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just means the sales of pee-clean will go up a week before any sailing race :)
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Originally posted by Raubvogel
Does that mean Jimmy Buffet is quite possibly the greatest sailor ever?
If booze is also enhancing...then yes, bar none.
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the snowboarder got screwed. if he's anything like most of the other snowboarders I know he thought that when they said they where 'testing for pot' he figured he had plenty and was covered.
most snowboarders I've met consider weed standard equipment.
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The ONLY competetion that Marijuana would improve performance in is a Hotdog eating contest. :rofl
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In 1976 my six year old brother was killed in a schoolbus accident.
The bus driver was high at the time. He took a minibus full of kids down a back country road in Illinois at over 75mph. He flipped it three times...
He was laughing at the scene. My father was there at the time-he was a State Trooper. They had to physically restrain and disarm him-quite understandably.
I am not a big anti-pot guy. I don't smoke it but I personally don't feel that it is any more dangerous than alcohol. Still, anyone who thinks that pot doesn't affect your judgement is foolish. In your home, a joint, like a few beers, is no big deal. I think there is some medicinal aspects of the drug that is helpful.
Like many drugs though, you need to practice some sense with it. I can see sailing, like driving, isn't a smart move with pot on board. It's heavy machinery.
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Well put dude.
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Originally posted by Maverick
Gee it must be terrible to be unable to face life sober. I feel sorry for those unable to hack it on thier own. :(
Damn, you're so much better than those "dopers"!
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Originally posted by wklink
In 1976 my six year old brother was killed in a schoolbus accident.
The bus driver was high at the time. He took a minibus full of kids down a back country road in Illinois at over 75mph. He flipped it three times...
He was laughing at the scene. My father was there at the time-he was a State Trooper. They had to physically restrain and disarm him-quite understandably.
I am not a big anti-pot guy. I don't smoke it but I personally don't feel that it is any more dangerous than alcohol. Still, anyone who thinks that pot doesn't affect your judgement is foolish. In your home, a joint, like a few beers, is no big deal. I think there is some medicinal aspects of the drug that is helpful.
Like many drugs though, you need to practice some sense with it. I can see sailing, like driving, isn't a smart move with pot on board. It's heavy machinery.
Yup.
Dad was a Highway Patrolman until a stoned drunk decided to use his cruisers trunk for a parking spot without slowing down.
Keep it at home, not on the slopes, not on a sailboat, not at a football game etc. The use of chemicals that alter your state of mind around others makes them 'involuntary' volunteers for your little adventure. Sometimes the results can be quite tragic.
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Originally posted by Maverick
Gee it must be terrible to be unable to face life sober. I feel sorry for those unable to hack it on thier own. :(
If i ever come to the point of needing your sorryness i will hang myself. :cool:
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Originally posted by Maverick
Gee it must be terrible to be unable to face life sober. I feel sorry for those unable to hack it on thier own. :(
too each his own.....
I prefer seeing the world thru a looking glass......and i don't wanna be sober to do it:D
unfortunatly I am not IGNORANT of this worlds cruelty:(
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Originally posted by Maverick
Gee it must be terrible to be unable to face life sober. I feel sorry for those unable to hack it on thier own. :(
Goose lived and loved witha beer in his hand, and loved. HE LOVED!
GOOSE
This is not good!...(Rising panic)
We're low! Don't be a drunk Mav!
Maverick is pinned to the instrument panel by centrifugal
force, desperately tries to reach back for the ejection
lever--but is falling short by about a foot.
MAVERICK
I'm pinned to the panel. And I'm drunk.
GOOSE
Time to go.
MAVERICK
I can't eject. I can't face life sober either, BELCH.
The plane is spinning ever faster, out of control. He drops
the gear. Still spins. Goose is closer to center of spin--G
forces are less. He reaches behind him for the eject handle,
starts the eject sequence.
GOOSE
3000 feet. I'll do it.
MAVERICK
Go ahead. I can't reach. 2000 feet! Wait, I got my Pabst, all is good.
AHHYYYEEEEEEEEEEEE.
You killed Goose Mav, you bastard.
:(
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Originally posted by wklink
Like many drugs though, you need to practice some sense with it. I can see sailing, like driving, isn't a smart move with pot on board. It's heavy machinery.
I hadn't even stopped to consider that particular aspect of the sport. You've got a good point.
How do you feel about snow boarding? :)
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man you guys are desperate... face it... pot turns you into a wussy POS. A dangerous, wussy POS.
lazs
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Yeah, it'd be stupid to operate the boat while under the influence. However, they can detect the drug in your system long after you actually smoked it. So, where's the cut-off point? Or will they ban you for a year for having smoked a joint 20 days before an event?
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:rofl@Creamo
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Originally posted by lazs2
man you guys are desperate... face it... pot turns you into a wussy POS. A dangerous, wussy POS.
lazs
What does that have to do with the topic?
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Originally posted by lazs2
man you guys are desperate... face it... pot turns you into a wussy POS. A dangerous, wussy POS.
lazs
Dam straight... much better to take drugs that turn you into a mean, nasty & dangerous POS.
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If you are loaded on pot and operating machinery.... you are a dangerous wussy POS. cutoff point? if it is in your system it is too much.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
cutoff point? if it is in your system it is too much.
lazs
Why?
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I have no tolerance for intolerance!!!
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sob... figure out what an impaired level is and how to test for that level. just like booze... until then you need to have a zero tolerance for pot say.. the DOT program for instance is zero tolerance for drugs in your system... perhaps you should go to their website and email them with how unfair that is.
lazs
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"sob... figure out what an impaired level is and how to test for that level. just like booze... until then you need to have a zero tolerance for pot say.."
That make sense...if you can't test for levels of intoxication. However, I would suspect there are better methods of testing than blood tests. A sobriety test the likes of what a cop would give you would probably do nicely, then you could fall back on blood/piss/body fluid test.
"the DOT program for instance is zero tolerance for drugs in your system... perhaps you should go to their website and email them with how unfair that is."
Not sure what that was for. I apologize for disagreeing with you in even the slightest way.
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I think Cannibis enhances Defender performance. :)
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Originally posted by lazs2
sob... figure out what an impaired level is and how to test for that level. just like booze... until then you need to have a zero tolerance for pot say.. the DOT program for instance is zero tolerance for drugs in your system... perhaps you should go to their website and email them with how unfair that is.
lazs
Maybe it's better to use drugs that don't show on sobriety test and don't leave traces in your system?
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Maybe it's better to use drugs that don't show on sobriety test and don't leave traces in your system?
I always found that ironic. if you've smoked pot in a month it shows up and you're fired (even though you are much more rested and able to work the next day than someone who was drinking)
while hung-over guys will pass a blood-alcohol test and be useless.
and those on acid will test clean at the time of use.
btw- the piss test doesn't detect pot in your system, it detects things (I forget the name, but I take several of these tests per year and they sometimes explain how they work) you body makes when exposed to pot. so the test is not detecting pot it's detecting your bodys reaction to something that may have been pot(several other things can cause your body to produce the same things). so the test shows nothing to do with any level of impairment.
the best test I've ever seen used was a 'video-game like' test they used in the shipyards maybe 10-15 years ago(I talked to guys who used it, my company used the piss test). you basicly set benchmarks for your dexterity (mental and physical) and reaction times.
then every day you'd come to work and run through the routine on the machine. everyone tested every day. if you fell signifigantly outside your norm you didn't work that day. if it came up to often youd have to talk to someone about it.
the thing is they say the testing is for safety, this test would check to see if you are impaired at the time of work. it doesn't care what you did that effected your off time and it doesn't care if you are impaired by something that the gov't has aproved of, if your ok go to waork and if not go home, very simple very fair.
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dangerous wussy POS
lol ok
do you drink coffee or smoke? drink beer? all are either more addictive or more dangerous.
MJ prohibition is sheer ignorance, it is a mild nonaddictive drug. its been around for thousands of years and is the only substanc of its kind that needs no processing, you can use in the same form that God created it.
ever tried it?
strk
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only substanc of its kind that needs no processing, you can use in the same form that God created it.
where in lies the problem. you can grown your own medication, and bypass pharmisutical companies.
you can grow your own recreational drug and by-pass alcohol and tobacco companies.
the big problem with pot is it cuts into big bussines gouging money from the consumer.
when pot was outlawed in 1919 every major pharmicutical company had some form of pot based medication for sale. when people find that the processing wasn't really necisary to get the value from it and that they could grow their own, it was outlawed
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where in lies the problem. you can grown your own medication, and bypass pharmisutical companies
yup. You cant patent it so the drug companies cant make any "monopoly" money off of it.
We are far from a drug free nation - lots more pharmaceutical drugs out there than illegals
strk
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Irregardless of what you may think, I really do feel sorry for those who can't hack life sober, from any substance. I really don't care much about your opinions on the subject. I had enough time picking up people and parts of people who couldn't hack life sober. The worst part of it was dealing with those who were sober but had to deal with the death and destruction of those who decided they were better off using substances then risking everyone elses health and lives on and or near the streets. If it was only the drunk or drugged hemorhoid that died, then all we lost was the property damaged by their stupidity. Frequently it was someone else who paid just because the idiot decided to have some "fun".
Frankly, if you want to burn out your mind, liver or what ever part of your body gets damaged by whichever substance you care to use I don't care. That is as long as you do not pose any threat to others who happen to be in the same area as you are. I am a firm believer that you have as much of a right to die just as a right to live. Just don't think that your "recreation" justifies the risk to others. It doesn't.
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Originally posted by Maverick
Just don't think that your "recreation" justifies the risk to others. It doesn't.
I doubt you'll find anyone here that will argue this.
Still... what you do in the privacy of your own home...
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It's the ignorance and stupidity that kills on the roads not alcohol or any other substance.
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Originally posted by mora
It's the ignorance and stupidity that kills on the roads not alcohol or any other substance.
This is so blatantly idiotic I find no words adequate to educate you. I doubt you can be educated. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Maverick
Gee it must be terrible to be unable to face life sober. I feel sorry for those unable to hack it on thier own. :(
ROFLMAO!!! I bet you're a hoot, and the chicks dig your hardline stance on not having fun.
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guys... I really don't care what you do at home... it's when you get on the freeway with me that I do.. or drive the bus or taxi i'm in or run the backhoe that is near me. I don't want you doing those things if you are poorly skilled either.
I realize that there may be some people that are so skilled that they can perform fairly well under some degree of intoxication.... I used to say that I could drive better drunk than my last ex could drive n her best day... this was true to an extent but...
We can't be that subjective... we can't be that fair even. the way that happens is... if you are so good that you don't get caught then everything will be fine but... we need a zero tolerence policy for operating machinery... nothing else will work... if that means that we bust a few of you supermen then so be it. The risk is too great and there are too many out there that all think they are the exception... They are not the problem they feel.. they are competent when loaded... it just makes them more "rested" and mellows em out.... blah blah blah.... smack into that minivan that cut in front of em while they were "feeling" the music.
like I said... go argue with the DOT... I happen to think they are right on this one tho.
As for the drunk performing badly with a hangover... well... if he is able to drag himself to work with a hangover very many times... then he is probly in the middle stages of alchoholism... he is gonna get worse. He is gonna get caught.
Soory guys... ya can't be special on this one... if you are dimminished then you shouldn't be out there. Other factors can diminish your ability but that doesn't mean we have to condone self inflicted ones.
lazs
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Quote:
"It's the ignorance and stupidity that kills on the roads......"
True......
......... not alcohol or any other substance."
But this is just the "rationalization" of a substance abuser........
C.
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laz2,
I agree with most of what you're saying. and man if we could ban stupidity from job-sites that would go farther for safety than any drug program ever.
but why don't they use tests that check for impairment (even the mouth swab test is better, as it checks the last 2-3 days), but the curent test does nothing as it doesn't check for the most abused or dangerouse substances (alcohol, lsd), and serious drug users have no problem beating the piss test anyway. so mostly you just catch the guy who smoked a little on friday and has the bad luck to get selected the midle of next week.
the other thing is that as far as working around heavy equipment (which I do every day) they test the workers regularly, but supervision, safety cordinators and engineers (the people who have the real say in how the job is done) are rarely tested.
I've met many guys who work well when they've smoked a little (not enough to get high), when sober they are jump stressed out and scatter brained, completely useless(I'm not one of those, when I used to smoke I got stupid long before I felt calm or good, if I smoked enough to feel good I could do nothing requiring more thought than sitting in a corner blowing spit-bubbles).
the way I figure it if the guy is doing a good job and working safe leave him alone, and if he isn't I don't really care if the excuse is he's high, stressed out, or just plain stupid, get rid of him. (the obviouse exception to this is those who drive, pilot or work alone, any situation where you don't have people to notice your impairment before a serious catastrophy
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Since this thread has taken a step away from the original subject, I should mention that my posts were in reference to that article and the sailing pansies. Oh, and Lazs is a studmuffin!
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Originally posted by AHGOD
I bet you're a hoot, and the chicks dig your hardline stance on not having fun.
Yeah, at least alcohol helps you score, millions of alcohol advertisements cant be wrong!
I feel sorry for the people who cant face life without having fun. We should all live in monastery and beat our sinned bodies with sticks.
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Originally posted by Cabby44
Quote:
"It's the ignorance and stupidity that kills on the roads......"
True......
......... not alcohol or any other substance."
But this is just the "rationalization" of a substance abuser........
C.
Well I have never operated motor vehicles while drunk and don't even know too many people who have. I know that it's standard procedure to drive drunk over there. Is that because you are ignorant and stupid or something else?
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Damn pot smoking hippys, cause all kinds of trouble....Now shut up woman and hold the steering wheel so I can get my JD poored into the beer before we get to the drug store to get my pain killers.................
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whos a studmuffin crybaby?
sob (sob) v., sobbed, sob•bing, n.— v.i.1. to weep with a convulsive catching of the breath. 2. to make a sound resembling this. — v.t.3. to utter with sobs. 4. to put, send, etc., by sobbing or with sobs: to sob oneself to sleep. — n.5. the act of sobbing. 6. any sound suggesting this.
apathy... I disagree... I said, there may be some supermen out there but.... the examples you gave aren't them... if the guy can't function when he isn't loaded he shouldn't be around equipment... these guys are self medicating with dangerous drugs... they are gonna blow it eventually... too much too little whatever. Then they will be real sorry or, more likely, full of excuses but it will be too late... they are a ticking time bomb in my opinion. They will either stop or get worse. they can't stay at their current level.
As for testing... find a test that gives levels of intoxication like booze. In the example drone gave for instance... the guy was breaking several laws and would be arrested if caught.. why should someone loaded on pot or speed or heroin be excepted? The problem comes with determining a level that is acceptable for operating machinery and finding a means of testing that.
Til then.... a zero tolerance policy is best. If you don't like that then get a job where drug testing is not involved... that would be the other 90% or so of jobs out there. A lot of jobs don't even require you to drive to work. Use public transportation... whatever. If I catch your loaded bellybutton on the dozer you're fired. If you tell me that you operate it better loaded..... I will get a good laugh but you will still be fired.
lazs
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Originally posted by Tuomio
Yeah, at least alcohol helps you score, millions of alcohol advertisements cant be wrong!
I feel sorry for the people who cant face life without having fun. We should all live in monastery and beat our sinned bodies with sticks.
SO you're saying you lead a dull and boring life full of excitement at star trek conventions? Live long and prosper dorkus. If alcohol is soooo bad, then why is it legal? If chicks that dig anal is so wrong why is it legal (somestates it isn't)?
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I have never tasted CanIbis, what's it like? :D
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Originally posted by AHGOD
ROFLMAO!!! I bet you're a hoot, and the chicks dig your hardline stance on not having fun.
Actually I never said I was against having fun. Your post says volumes about you however. It must be really terrible to need drugs (or booze) to get a female (species of choice is open to interpretation here) interested in you or having fun with you. :rolleyes:
:rofl :rofl
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Sheesh, it's party time at Mav's.
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Fruit Smoothies, and low fat nachos with fat free sour cream for everybody...PARTY!!!!
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As for testing... find a test that gives levels of intoxication like booze.
so far as I'm aware nonr of the curent tests (except blood alcohol, which tells you the level of alcohol but not level of impairment), will tell you levels of intoxication. as for pot it doesn't even report if you are imaired at all, just if you have been in the past.
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Originally posted by Saintaw
I have never tasted CanIbis, what's it like? :D
What does it matter how it tastes? Does the taste of alcohol matter?
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Does the taste of alcohol matter?
yes, unless you're a hopeless drunk with no standards. plus if you set your standards high enough, you probably wont have enough money to develop a drinking problem.
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Originally posted by Saintaw
I have never tasted CanIbis, what's it like? :D
Tastes a little like chicken....:)