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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Sandman on October 04, 2003, 09:09:07 AM
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Maybe it's just me, but this is hilarious...
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_2316011,00.html
(http://mas.scripps.com/DRMN/2003/10/02/1002noodle2_e.jpg)
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I grew up Catholic, it is hilarious.
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I chuckle a little bit, I am Catholic but I wonder....
What is the difference between this and some of the less than glowing representations drawn about Jews in the 1930's. I am sure people chuckled at that as well. You know where that kind of religious intolerence led.
Catholics seem to be a pretty easy target these days. Some of it is their own fault, I admit but some of it is just a blatent attack against a religious group that some feel isn't 'progressive' enough.
I don't mind a little bit of parody, I love some of the Monty Python stuff and I even laughed at "Dogma' but you have to wonder when are they going too far.
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Originally posted by wklink
What is the difference between this and some of the less than glowing representations drawn about Jews in the 1930's. I am sure people chuckled at that as well. You know where that kind of religious intolerence led.
The difference? The Nazis attempted to categorize Jews as a race.
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Wow, bigotry is alive and well in America. Whatever happened to tolerance?
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
The difference? The Nazis attempted to categorize Jews as a race.
Of course, one of the liberal PC tenets is that race, gender, sexual preference, religion, etc, all have the same status.
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Where's the ACLU on this one?
Religous art does not belong in public places!
Unless of course, it denigrates an unpopular religion.
I guess I'll get to work on my "AK-Toting Imam" sculpture, I'm sure you guys won't mind that either.
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Of course, one of the liberal PC tenets is that race, gender, sexual preference, religion, etc, all have the same status.
natuarlly...and anyone who thinks otherwise is a racist or a bigot...
looks pretty funny to me...and im catholic...
art is art...next youll be saying we have to change the chess peices because of the religious context
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Where's the ACLU on this one?
Religous art does not belong in public places!
Unless of course, it denigrates an unpopular religion.
I guess I'll get to work on my "AK-Toting Imam" sculpture, I'm sure you guys won't mind that either.
:rolleyes:
Keeee-rist Funkypants. Pull yer panties outta yer crack. Bigotry? That's almost funny. How do you know what this artist is bigoted against?
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The ACLU only picks the ones in line with their liberal agenda. Occassionally they'll support some conservative case to keep up a token appearance of objectivity.
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A college campus is displaying that statue on the grounds? That's just sad.
MiniD
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Originally posted by AKIron
The ACLU only picks the ones in line with their liberal agenda. Occassionally they'll support some conservative case to keep up a token appearance of objectivity.
Please cite examples.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Wow, bigotry is alive and well in America. Whatever happened to tolerance?
I fail to see what bigotry has to do with this sculpture.
"The artist says, I was brought up Catholic. I remember being 7 and going into the dark confessional booth for the first time. I knelt down, and my face was only inches from the thin screen that separated me and the one who had the power to condemn me for my evil ways. I was scared to death, for on the other side of that screen was the person you see before you."
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That's an evil looking bishop for sure. The artist is making his statement and probably basing it on the recent scandals. I'm sure it does offend some folks who are good Catholics. But don't blame the artist on this one. It's a satirical artwork, and pretty mild compared to some of the etchings Goya did (late 1700s) concerning the Catholic Church and some of the things they did during the Spanish Inquisition. They were going to execute Goya for painting nudes!!! Gosh, he painted unflattering portraits of the king and his family, and even they didn't mind...they thought the paintings were great.
When Goya was called before the inquisition, he flat out told them only a dirty mind would see anything evil with God's creation of woman, and artists painting that beautiful creation. Besides, he told them, he didn't paint nudes for yokels to gape at!!! The king stepped in and saved Goya's life...under normal circumstances the Inquisition held authority over the king.
Concerning this particular sculpture. If Catholics don't like it...and they shouldn't...then maybe they ought to see to it artists don't have cause to do artwork satirizing leaders of the church, and take bishops to task for allowing some priests to continue with hypocritical practices like molesting altar boys. If I was Catholic, I'd be mad as hell discovering I had confessed my sins to such a priest. What gives them the right?
This needs to be out in the open and dealt with. Otherwise it will destroy the Catholic Church eventually.
Les
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Hmmmm... not knocking the artwork... I think the statue is somewhat profound. I just don't think religious satire has a place in the courtyard of a college campus.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Mini D
Hmmmm... not knocking the artwork... I think the statue is somewhat profound. I just don't think religious satire has a place in the courtyard of a college campus.
MiniD
Well... if they teach art there, I don't see why not.
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I didn't see the work as some kind of an attack on religion... as if the artist made the hat into a dick because he's anti-catholic or something. I saw it as a statement about the fondness some priests have for the dicks belonging to little kids that we've been hearing about all year.
So, it's just a one-liner... much like a political cartoon. A good one I thought... made me chuckle... but I don't really consider it a work of "art" per se... and don't think it's worthy of the type of debate that's spawned here. Art programs at universities are generally crap imho, so it doesn't suprise me that he got away with something like this. At most art schools the work would have been received with "ha ha very funny and everything but so what?"
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Well... if they teach art there, I don't see why not.
Sure ... why not? And if it was a monument depicting the ten commandments I'm sure you'd support that as well. I anticipate a breakthrough in open-mindedness here. :D
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Originally posted by Arlo
Sure ... why not? And if it was a monument depicting the ten commandments I'm sure you'd support that as well. I anticipate a breakthrough in open-mindedness here. :D
Absolutely... just don't try to put either in front of your court house... :)
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Please cite examples.
Here are two recent ones:
The ACLU was at a recent presidental appearance and complained that nonsupporters weren't allowed near the president. How far they are/have taken it so far I don't know. Students at SMU hosted a bake sale protesting Affirmative Action and were quickly shut down. ACLU mysteriously silent.
If I thought it would convince you I'd find more comparrisons. Since I know it won't I'm not going to waste my time.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Absolutely... just don't try to put either in front of your court house... :)
Why not? Don't go stupid on me again, now. :D
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Well... if they teach art there, I don't see why not.
Art is one thing.... satire is another. Once again... we're talking about a courtyard here.
But then... I'm sure you'd be arguing the same thing if it were a statue of a blackman being hung from a tree while other black men circled around below wearing KKK outfits and the thing were titled "uncle tom". That wouldn't really raise a stink.
MiniD
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Originally posted by Arlo
Why not? Don't go stupid on me again, now. :D
Well... you don't put the ten commandments out in front of the courthouse for Constitutional reasons and you don't put this sculpture because satire really isn't welcome at court. :)
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Originally posted by AKIron
Here are two recent ones:
The ACLU was at a recent presidental appearance and complained that nonsupporters weren't allowed near the president. How far they are/have taken it so far I don't know. Students at SMU hosted a bake sale protesting Affirmative Action and were quickly shut down. ACLU mysteriously silent.
If I thought it would convince you I'd find more comparrisons. Since I know it won't I'm not going to waste my time.
I'm not sure how far either case has went. I do know that ACLU operates on a limited budget and they do indeed choose their fights. They are often accused of having a "left-wing" agenda, but I fail to see any evidence of it. Certainly, some people will argue that the ACLU doesn't represent the 2nd Amendment, but this goes back to the budget issue and the fact that the NRA is doing quite well without the ACLU's help.
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cool.... so we can all put out our black lawn jockey statues again?
lazs
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We call those "cast iron piccanies."
Les
Edit: spelled the word wrong. It's "cast iron piccaninies.":D
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Originally posted by Mini D
Art is one thing.... satire is another. Once again... we're talking about a courtyard here.
But then... I'm sure you'd be arguing the same thing if it were a statue of a blackman being hung from a tree while other black men circled around below wearing KKK outfits and the thing were titled "uncle tom". That wouldn't really raise a stink.
MiniD
Well played.
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The university is a private institution, they can decide what goes up in their courtyards. I imagine the university will use this situation to explain that they are committed to the free exchange of ideas, host open discussion groups, and otherwise make themselves feel relevant. They really have nothing to lose as far as displaying controversial art goes.
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the cap is suppose to look like a noodle? what's wrong with ur willie?
just looks like another ugly piece of liberal "art" to me
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how come the only people who DONT seem to be offended are regular catholics???
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
I guess I'll get to work on my "AK-Toting Imam" sculpture, I'm sure you guys won't mind that either.
Originally posted by Mini D
But then... I'm sure you'd be arguing the same thing if it were a statue of a blackman being hung from a tree while other black men circled around below wearing KKK outfits and the thing were titled "uncle tom". That wouldn't really raise a stink.
MiniD
Originally posted by lazs2
cool.... so we can all put out our black lawn jockey statues again?
lazs
Jeez.. yeah, I've been tipping today (Guest in a corporate box at my first ever Nascar race.... well, at least I got to drink free..) so maybe my funnybone is more sensitive than usual BUT
These three had me howlin' till tears of laughter ran down my cheeks.
I'm not far from Washburn and for a penny-ante University, they've always thought they were something special.
Tell ya what.. let's do these three ideas in paper maiche and take them up to Washburn's courtyard. We'll call a newsie or two and drag them along when we set up our "art show".
When Washburn freaks, I'm sure the ACLU will rush to our defense.
Gotta love that PC cr p. It's only offensive if WE say it's offensive. No one else can judge.
I guess I'm racist for thinking those above statements were hugely funny, right?
:rofl
BTW, I don't give a fig what Washburn uses for lawn art, although Pink Flamingos are just about their true speed.
I just think the rife hypocrisy is too good. Just too good.
BTW, Funk.. make sure the Imam is at least waist up... you'll want to show the Martyr Vest of dynamite and all....
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it looks like something i wouldnt mind my dog taking a piss on.
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Originally posted by Nash
I saw it as a statement about the fondness some priests have for the dicks belonging to little kids that we've been hearing about all year.
Then surely you all or the ACLU won't mind my upcoming sculpture depicting the fondness that some african americans have for watermelon and fried chicken that we've been hearing about for the last 150 years?
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Originally posted by lazs2
cool.... so we can all put out our black lawn jockey statues again?
lazs
w3rd
I think we can also break out the watermelon-totin-negro pistol range targets.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Well... you don't put the ten commandments out in front of the courthouse for Constitutional reasons and you don't put this sculpture because satire really isn't welcome at court. :)
Whoops ... too late ... you done went and got stupid on me. ;)
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Originally posted by Arlo
Whoops ... too late ... you done went and got stupid on me. ;)
I had nothing to do with it... Take it up with the Supreme Court.
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And now.. a quote from our sculptor: "Art's subjective, that's why it makes the world go around,"
Why is it most "artists" tend to take themselves and thier vocation WAY WAY WAY too seriously? Could it be that nobody else does? :rofl
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
I had nothing to do with it... Take it up with the Supreme Court.
Freedom's freedom, dude ... don't go squawking how your's is more important than mine. If you're free to crap on the street in front of my house ... then I'm free to crap in front of yours. And whatever precident set in the courts of our fair land that you think is hunky-dory for your own ends might well come back to bite you in your own end. So while you hummm and haaaa and start up with the "exceptions to the rule" stuff ... just remember ... everyone has a built-in bs meter. :D
You're welcome. No charge for the unsolicited advice. ;)
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Originally posted by Arlo
Freedom's freedom, dude ... don't go squawking how your's is more important than mine. If you're free to crap on the street in front of my house ... then I'm free to crap in front of yours. And whatever precident set in the courts of our fair land that you think is hunky-dory for your own ends might well come back to bite you in your own end. So while you hummm and haaaa and start up with the "exceptions to the rule" stuff ... just remember ... everyone has a built-in bs meter. :D
You're welcome. No charge for the unsolicited advice. ;)
Apparently, you've just graduated the Grunherz school for arguing both sides of a discussion.
Don't let me get in your way... I'm just an observer.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Apparently, you've just graduated the Grunherz school for arguing both sides of a discussion.
Don't let me get in your way... I'm just an observer.
How you come up with that convoluted bit of tripe over my asserting that freedom cuts both ways is kinda entertaining ... in a slapstick buffoonish sorta way. I guess some people want to interpret the law to protect them from the freedoms of others while making sure it gives them the freedom to act outright imbecilic. ShruG ... such is the world we live in today. Listen .. it's simple ... you may want to have it both ways .... but you're not gonna get it. So learn to choose your fights more wisely. Freedom came at a high price so it's pretty damned easy to give away on the street, yaknow. :D
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Then surely you all or the ACLU won't mind my upcoming sculpture depicting the fondness that some african americans have for watermelon and fried chicken that we've been hearing about for the last 150 years?
I don't know about the ACLU, but if your work of art is reasonably priced I'll purchase one for my mantle...rather than a standard african american (you PC pansy!), could you make it a guy in blackface with the big white lips?! And maybe he could be chasing after a white woman too!
I thought at first that you weren't the artsy fartsy type, you being an engineer and all, but I was wrong! :D
BTW...I just went to an art show that featured art from a friend of my sister. It was about racial stereotypes from her perspective as a black woman...one of the works had the words, "Negro Vagina". (replace both words with something more colorful
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Originally posted by Arlo
How you come up with that convoluted bit of tripe over my asserting that freedom cuts both ways is kinda entertaining ... in a slapstick buffoonish sorta way. I guess some people want to interpret the law to protect them from the freedoms of others while making sure it gives them the freedom to act outright imbecilic. ShruG ... such is the world we live in today. Listen .. it's simple ... you may want to have it both ways .... but you're not gonna get it. So learn to choose your fights more wisely. Freedom came at a high price so it's pretty damned easy to give away on the street, yaknow. :D
I have absolutely no idea what your talking about.
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Don't worry...neither does he.
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Originally posted by SOB
Don't worry...neither does he.
Thank you, SOB. I was beginning to wonder.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
I have absolutely no idea what your talking about.
Which doesn't surprise me in the least.
First move was Bishop's dickhat to public courtyard followed by Ten Commandments monument to front of courthouse to which you attempted to counter with "this good/that bad" flawed logic where I countered with "freedom's freedom, it'll end up all or nuthin at this rate" where you passed so I took your queen now you're staring at the board.
Now you should be caught up. :D
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Originally posted by SOB
Don't worry...neither does he.
You need to get over your third-person thang, bro. ;0)
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SOB thinks you need to go sleep off the booze.
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Originally posted by SOB
SOB thinks you need to go sleep off the booze.
Got two words into that and realized how wrong you were. :D
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Originally posted by Arlo
Which doesn't surprise me in the least.
First move was Bishop's dickhat to public courtyard followed by Ten Commandments monument to front of courthouse to which you attempted to counter with "this good/that bad" flawed logic where I countered with "freedom's freedom, it'll end up all or nuthin at this rate" where you passed so I took your queen now you're staring at the board.
Now you should be caught up. :D
Sandman is rather certain that he made no judgement good or bad. He simply noted the court's position on such things. The court will support your right to display satirical art at a private school, but will not allow you to display a christian monument in front of a public courthouse.
Maybe you should back up and re-read it.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Sandman is rather certain that he made no judgement good or bad. He simply noted the court's position on such things. The court will support your right to display satirical art at a private school, but will not allow you to display a christian monument in front of a public courthouse.
Maybe you should back up and re-read it.
The court made a ruling that has more repercussions than just the Ten Commandments monument. Sandman posted this ... and then Sandman challenged any and all who have voiced their personal objection to it so far (which, whether you want to play yourself off as a "neutral observer or not, puts you in the "support" camp). I supported the freedom to display it as well and challenged you to see exactly how open-minded you were in that regard. Now Sandman is all of a sudden a "neutral observer" again. Convenience must be Sandman's middle name.
Here's to you "neutral pot-stirrers." (raises glass) :D
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well isn't this just poopy.
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Originally posted by Arlo
The court made a ruling that has more repercussions than just the Ten Commandments monument. Sandman posted this ... and then Sandman challenged any and all who have voiced their personal objection to it so far (which, whether you want to play yourself off as a "neutral observer or not, puts you in the "support" camp). I supported the freedom to display it as well and challenged you to see exactly how open-minded you were in that regard. Now Sandman is all of a sudden a "neutral observer" again. Convenience must be Sandman's middle name.
Here's to you "neutral pot-stirrers." (raises glass) :D
Sandman sure says a lot with few words.
Sandman thinks someone forgot thier meds.
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Winston Churchill with a noodle on his head.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Then surely you all or the ACLU won't mind my upcoming sculpture depicting the fondness that some african americans have for watermelon and fried chicken that we've been hearing about for the last 150 years?
Meh... Tired concept. It's been done to death.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Sandman sure says a lot with few words.
Sandman thinks someone forgot thier meds.
Sandman is sandbagging. :D
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wow....its just art. Do we ban everything we dont like or agree to? Is that freedom?
Get a grip.
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
RTR
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so it would be Ok if that school had a bronze black pimp with gold chains and drugs in one hand and cash in the other... standing on a pile of children who had been shot?
lazs
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Sure ... why not? Another social commentary in bronze or some other substance. Those offended are given permission to not ogle it ... maybe their money back as well.
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I assume Lazs that your last reply is to me in an attempt to contemporize funked's black stereotype?
Is it okay? What do you think the answer to that is? I highly doubt it, yet the bronze dick-Bishop obviously was...
I'm not sure the comparison is a good one... maybe, but... Unfair? It sounds like we need to break out a bag of cookies and milk, sit some of us down and have a grown-ups talk about how sometimes, life just isn't fair. :D
I wonder if there's any art that the conservative types actually like... and why we only hear from them when they have something negative to say about it. I mean, not only is it offensive, but "That thing cost us taxpayers HOW MUCH? My KID could do that! Why, it's an OUTRAGE!" I reckon it sounds to people like me alot like the "librahls" sound to them when they say "guns are bad!" and "War is mean"... Kind of silly I'm guessing.
It's sort of like... if the extent of your commentary consists of pointing at it every now and then and saying how much it bothers you, then you really aren't considered... uhm... yeah, considered. Again, I'm sure it's exactly how the gun arguments sound to you. And uh... the beat goes on... lada lada lay
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Ban it? who said anything about banning it? I'm not trying to argue about whether or not it's art. I'm trying to point out that what an organization choses to display in front of their buildings says something about the organization... that's why it's there. What this display says about the organization is: "We encourage people to ridicule the papacy."
It's not about it being religious, it's about ridiculing people. It's about a college chosing to show of how willing they are to do it.
Sorry, but this says alot about the person or organization that choses to put it in their front yard... none of it good.
MiniD
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I'm not for banning it at all. It don't freighten children. I don't know why I can't have my lawn jockey tho... seems like art to me.
As for the pimp/drug dealer.... are you saying that there is no such thing? even if there weren't..... it's just art right? Just some artists conception of what he sees.
lazs
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Originally posted by Nash
Again, I'm sure it's exactly how the gun arguments sound to you. And uh... the beat goes on... lada lada lay
Art doesn't kill people... people kill people.
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Originally posted by Mini D
What this display says about the organization is: "We encourage people to ridicule the papacy."
Replace "encourage" with "allow".
In the context of a university there's a huge difference, and I think they're all about that. Sure.
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No Nash. "Encourage" is the right word when you select a single statue for placement in a courtyard. "Allow" applies when you're displaying everyone's art without exception.
MiniD
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Well they know how to deal with stuff like this at Harvard!
http://www.dazereader.com/001180.htm
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And that's exactly why I think you're wrong.
"Monical said artists and art teachers representing Washburn's Campus Beautification Committee picked Boyle's sculpture and four other winners from 90 entries to be displayed as part of the municipal university's eighth annual Outdoor Sculpture Exhibition.
If the dick-Bishop was of obviously better merrit than the ones it beat out, then its exclusion due to its critique of the papacy, in the context of a university, would be I think far more outrageous.
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Would the same University set up a manger scene (arranged tastefully artistically) at Christmas? Or would that be considered too offensive?
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Sorry nash... they picked it for display in the courtyard. That is both encouraging and rewarding... not simply allowing. Once again, what the college displays in their courtyard says something about the college... what they allow as entries into an art contest does not.
The college has made a statement... and I doubt it would be defended if it were satiricle toward other groups of people. It's just that right now the diacy is the in group to make fun of. But please don't try to play it off as "just art". The second the college placed it in their courtyard it moved from being art to being a statement.
MiniD
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I may be critical of university art majors, but subject matter aside, it's not common to see an art student display the kind of technical ability that the dick-Bishop has. It probably stood out like a sore thumb, far and away more developed than the work that it was judged beside.
If a manger scene was submitted and possesed the same thing, I don't have a single doubt that it would also have been included. None, really.
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Well, then I just disagree deja.
To encourage work like the dick-Bishop would be to pull it out of a class project and, without precedent, put it on public display. To allow work like the dick-Bishop would be to include it among the other winners if it merited that. Subject matter is of course subjective...
So it was a contest of sorts. To disallow someone's art due to subject matter alone, would have been stupifying to the people that actually participate in art's development...
Now, it's merely stupifying to the people who's only participation in the art world occurs when they voice their displeasure or can score political points off of same... and I don't think that should rise to the same level of consideration.
Public funds and display at the city hall is a whole nuther ball 'o wax, with its own set of criteria and realities... This aint that.
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From the Article:
Monical said artists and art teachers representing Washburn's Campus Beautification Committee picked Boyle's sculpture and four other winners from 90 entries to be displayed as part of the municipal university's eighth annual Outdoor Sculpture Exhibition.
The sculptures are on loan to the university and should remain on display until July, Monical said. He said no one involved in picking the sculptures intended to cause anyone pain.
Mini, you can choose to think of the university whatever you want on the basis of this art being in the front lawn. The fact remains that this is an annual contest, and every year the winners have their art displayed. This guy's art was one of the winners this year, and as a result his art was displayed. Unless you think the administration should start choosing which of the winners are politically correct and non-contriversial enough to be placed on their lawn, I don't see how you can associate any perceived message behind the art with the institution.
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"I've gotta agree with Nash on this one... " - SOB
Gee... ya make it sound like that's either highly unusual or is tantamount to gettin' your teeth pulled or something. SOB, baby, I thought we had something good going... Where did we go wrong? :cool:
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LOL, don't get all sensitive honey, it didn't mean a thing! ;)
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Still waiting for the outrage from the left over this bigoted depiction of a stereotype of a historically persecuted group. Saburo, MT, etc., where are ya? :D
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Well, I'm extremely upset funked!
The artist should have depicted the priest handing over a check to the parents of a sexually abused child.
:D
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My next sculpture will be a large-afroed negro recieving welfare checks. :)
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So, Sob, you really think Washburn would display one of Funk's renditions of the subject matter he's offered so far if it was the best piece of art in the contest judged on a technical basis?
Not a chance; we all know it.
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Well, you can throw out "what if's" all you want Toad, but until that happens it's moot. If a work of art such as that was submitted, and If it was selected as one of the best works, and If they did exclude it, I'd be here calling them retards. Of course, that hasn't happened, so you sitting here saying what they would or wouldn't do makes me call you a retard. You're a retard.
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You guys are bigots for making fun of tards, BTW. The selective PC police nailed me for this a couple of weeks ago. It's not acceptable to use the word tard or retard or make jokes about them, at least not if the subject of the thread does not conform to strict liberal / socialist policy standards. You can only use those terms if you are making fun of Bush or Republicans or white people.
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This is Intardnet Art at it's finest...
(http://www.matthoffman.us/dl/tardmatrix.jpg)
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My contribution will be a Middle-Eastern man standing with his trenchcoat whipped open. From the back, he'll look like a flasher; from the front you'll see his explosive vest and "Deth to Amreeka" written on the inside of the coat. He'll be placed by a taxi parked at a 7-11.
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Shh, Toad... you're not supposed to see the elephant in the room.
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Don't use the word "bigot" use the word "ethnomethodologist." It's less offensive. :D
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Kieran, they should make his turban blink with neon letters "TAXI" and use it as a standardized marker at all airport taxi stands.
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Originally posted by Mini D
Ban it? who said anything about banning it? I'm not trying to argue about whether or not it's art. I'm trying to point out that what an organization choses to display in front of their buildings says something about the organization... that's why it's there. What this display says about the organization is: "We encourage people to ridicule the papacy."
It's not about it being religious, it's about ridiculing people. It's about a college chosing to show of how willing they are to do it.
Sorry, but this says alot about the person or organization that choses to put it in their front yard... none of it good.
MiniD
You make it sound as if the sculpture is a permanent display. It is not.
It's not about ridiculing people it's about free expression of ideas. It's not as if there was some universal understanding and agreement that the Catholic church is a good thing. Some people are vehemently opposed to it.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
It's not about ridiculing people
I think that's exactly what it's about. But hey, I'm not opposed to free speech even when it's ugly and has no other purpose than to tear down.
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Yeah, what people are pointing out here is that the greatest student artist in the world could create the most amazing, excellent sculpture but if it represented, say a ...
sculpture depicting the fondness that some african americans have for watermelon and fried chicken
It would never ever have a snowball's chance in h ll of being displayed and the artist would be hounded from the halls of academe.
The funny part is that every single poster in this thread knows that but a few are pretending that it wouldn't be so.
I love that kind of stuff.. far more entertaining than the Bish himself in the funny hat there.
:D
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Originally posted by AKIron
I think that's exactly what it's about. But hey, I'm not opposed to free speech even when it's ugly and has no other purpose than to tear down.
Maybe the Catholic church should have considered things like this anecdote:
I'll try to keep this brief. The most common things that occured in class were being pummeled about the head with fists, rulers, and chalky erasers by these wizened, bitter, and joyless Brides of Christ.
The more creative punishments meted out to me and my mates were religious in nature. I recall kneeling for hours before statues of the "Blessed Virgin". When the statue was an image of her Son, our arms were part of the deal as well. We'd get to hold them out for extended periods while getting whacked with a pointer - all the while being instructed to gaze up at the Man on the Cross and imagine how our indiscretions pained Him, etc. To really get that one across, we'd occasionally have to kneel on our hands during one of these punishment sessions.
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"Holier Than Thou"
you do know that this is the name of a metallica song right?
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Originally posted by Toad
The funny part is that every single poster in this thread knows that but a few are pretending that it wouldn't be so.
I love that kind of stuff.. far more entertaining than the Bish himself in the funny hat there.
:D
I bet the artist himself would love this thread. By his own admission he didn't care if the bust was loved or hated ... but it would bother him greatly if it was ignored altogether. Many artists suffer from attention starvation to one degree or another, I suppose.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Maybe the Catholic church should have considered things like this anecdote:
Just to clarify my position, I'm not and have never been Catholic. The recent revelations of molestations turn my stomach. Nonetheless, certain criticisms or vulgar opinions are readily accepted while others are not.
Be sure your hypocricy will find you out.
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Too funny. If anyone's an artist it's Sandman for his ability to come up with posts that wind up becoming this absurd. :)
This effort to point out (SOBS?) hypocrisy in not seeing a parallel between this sculpture and an ever more ridiculously stereotypical imaginary sculpture not submitted by some imaginary artist reminds me of Toad trying to point out Beetle's hypocrisy in not agreeing with the life saving benefits of outlawing butter knives. :D
Isn't this the point where someone comes in and says something about panties in a bunch?
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Originally posted by Nash
panties in a bunch?
Now that could be a truly offensive scupture, depending on who's wearing 'em. ;)
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Originally posted by AKIron
Just to clarify my position, I'm not and have never been Catholic. The recent revelations of molestations turn my stomach. Nonetheless, certain criticisms or vulgar opinions are readily accepted while others are not.
Be sure your hypocricy will find you out.
Yeah... the 1st Amendment is rife with hypocrisy... damn the luck.
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I'm sure you're just being argumentative and understand the hypocrisy I refer to is allowing only certain forms of free speech. Right?
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Originally posted by AKIron
I'm sure you're just being argumentative and understand the hypocrisy I refer to is allowing only certain forms of free speech. Right?
I wouldn't be so sure if I were you. :D
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Originally posted by AKIron
I'm sure you're just being argumentative and understand the hypocrisy I refer to is allowing only certain forms of free speech. Right?
I'll agree that certain forms of speech are not protected by the 1st Amendment, but I fail to see the hypocrisy in this case. Certainly, the sculpture makes a statement about the Catholic church, but this is subject to interpretation and it is not overt nor does it identify anyone personally.
FWIW, I see more in the expression on his face than I do in the stupid hat.
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OK, while I can't ascribe hypocrisy directly to the school that is hosting this "art". Will you accept as hypocritical anyone that thinks it ok for this sculpture to be publicly presented while also thinking it ok for the protest of AA at SMU to be squelched?
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Are you right wing tards OK with this "monument?" (http://www.casperstartribune.net/articles/2003/10/03/news/casper/f060e8d5f0ddf401c07f72e2617c79c6.txt)
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Originally posted by k2cok
Are you right wing tards OK with this "monument?" (http://www.casperstartribune.net/articles/2003/10/03/news/casper/f060e8d5f0ddf401c07f72e2617c79c6.txt)
It's about as tasteful as the noodle-headed priest monument.
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Originally posted by AKIron
OK, while I can't ascribe hypocrisy directly to the school that is hosting this "art". Will you accept as hypocritical anyone that thinks it ok for this sculpture to be publicly presented while also thinking it ok for the protest of AA at SMU to be squelched?
Absolutely. I agree.
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Originally posted by k2cok
Are you right wing tards OK with this "monument?" (http://www.casperstartribune.net/articles/2003/10/03/news/casper/f060e8d5f0ddf401c07f72e2617c79c6.txt)
I'm ok with just about any form of expression so long as I'm not paying for what I don't like and it doesn't break any laws. I even think the Ditzie Chicks should give up their music and go on a speaking campaign extoling the evils of the present administration. Same goes for all the actors that feel so abused by said administration. Let's see how much they can earn by spouting their rhetoric on the speaking circuit.
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Originally posted by k2cok
Are you right wing tards OK with this "monument?" (http://www.casperstartribune.net/articles/2003/10/03/news/casper/f060e8d5f0ddf401c07f72e2617c79c6.txt)
Can't speak for them but it doesn't make me wanna take a crap thinkin' bout it. You? :D
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SANDMAN GET AWAY FROM OUR BAIT YOU ARE SCARING OFF ALL THE FISHIES :D
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The real quesion, K2cok, is are YOU ok with it?
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Last time I checked this was still America, a country where you're allowed free speech, but as funked said, it's tasteless.
It won't last long, I'm sure it will get destroyed by upset peter puffers. :D
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so if i made a sculpture depicting a relativly ugly guy with a computer in one hand (with some internet bbs on the screen) and a slide rule in the other...and thickish glasses on his nose depicting nerds and the impression i got about them...this thread would exist...
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LOL, I was gonna post a link to http://www.godhatesstudmuffins.com, due to the mention of Matthew Shepard in that story. It's been around for a while with a timer showing exactly how long he's been in hell (according to the site). Turn's out that's the home page for the church doing the statue! :D
BTW Toad, since you seem to be all-knowing. Could you tell me the lottery numbers for this week?
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Originally posted by k2cok
Last time I checked this was still America, a country where you're allowed free speech, but as funked said, it's tasteless.
It won't last long, I'm sure it will get destroyed by upset peter puffers. :D
You realize this is a dodge, right? Yes or no? ;)
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SOB, why would I split the pot with you??? It's mine, Mine, ALL MINE!