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Title: Our Il-2 underarmoured?
Post by: Pooh21 on October 04, 2003, 12:58:03 PM: Playing Il2 on my new system this week alot I noticed the dang things won't go down. I put on average 2-3 30mm into them and they continue merrily along. This is from the upper rear hitting the wings and tail between gunner and vert. stab. They shrug 20mm off just fine as well mostly. They go down eventually but it takes awhile.

In FB can they shoot you through their tail too? I mean through the whole thing including fuselage. Im direct 6 200 meters back and way low. and its png, ping ping.
Title: Re: Our Il-2 underarmoured?
Post by: HoHun on October 04, 2003, 01:56:21 PM: Hi Pooh,

>I put on average 2-3 30mm into them and they continue merrily along. This is from the upper rear hitting the wings and tail between gunner and vert. stab.

The Il-2's wings weren't armoured at all, and of wooden construction outboard of the landing gear for most models. Accordingly, against 30 mm mine shells the wings were of below-average durability.

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)
Title: Our Il-2 underarmoured?
Post by: Batz on October 04, 2003, 02:12:58 PM: I have np dropping il2s with 30mm especially after the last patch.

Their defensive guns are easy enough to avoid, their control cables are easily damaged.

Are playing FB with the current patch or the original IL2?

With 20mm you need to aim for the oil cooler underneath the cockpit. 2 or 3 hits and it will smoke and burn.

I'll make a track if you like.
Title: Our Il-2 underarmoured?
Post by: Pooh21 on October 04, 2003, 02:38:06 PM: original all patched up
Title: Our Il-2 underarmoured?
Post by: Batz on October 04, 2003, 02:51:32 PM: ok my track wont play for you then. I only have fb installed, I have the originally around here some where but I dont feel like installing it.

There was some dm issues in the original but I dont recall the il2s being all that tough.

In the current version of FB 1 3cm hit =

(http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/o/wotans/30mm.jpg)

The left wing falls away right after this single hit

(http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/o/wotans/30mm1.jpg)

As you can see the tail flies away. I hit this il2 2 times. 1 time (see hole in left wing) the 30 mm punched through the wing and detonated so it just left a whole. The second hit blew away the tail section.

I was flying an early g6. 3cm hub, no gondolas.
Title: Our Il-2 underarmoured?
Post by: Glasses on October 05, 2003, 01:00:12 PM: Fire at the wings tips Pooh even with Mg151/20s from the 109G2 they come down quickly especially if you come in from a dive.
Title: Our Il-2 underarmoured?
Post by: Rasker on October 05, 2003, 02:10:28 PM: In the real war, Luftwaffe pilots were taught to shoot at the oil cooler sticking out of the lower right of the fuselage. Otherwise, it wasn't unusual for earlier 109 versions to expend whole ammo loads on a single IL-2 without result.
Title: Our Il-2 underarmoured?
Post by: Innominate on October 05, 2003, 05:46:42 PM: Aircraft 'armor' seems to be not modeled at all. Some of the il2's parts(notably the engine) have more 'hitpoints' than average though.

Against flakpanzers though, it doesnt matter, since if you get hit you're dead.
Title: Our Il-2 underarmoured?
Post by: Kweassa on October 05, 2003, 05:52:50 PM: It's how the damage is portrayed in the game, that makes our IL-2 or P-47s seem weeker than their reputation. Let's hope the structural DM in the upcoming AH2 is a bit different from what we have now.
Title: Our Il-2 underarmoured?
Post by: Widewing on October 05, 2003, 06:27:58 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Innominate
Aircraft 'armor' seems to be not modeled at all. Some of the il2's parts(notably the engine) have more 'hitpoints' than average though.

Against flakpanzers though, it doesnt matter, since if you get hit you're dead.

I have found that the Stormovik will sometimes survive 37mm Flak hits. I have had my IL-2 hit by Ostwinds and although I lost a wing tip or elevator or flap, I was able to nurse it home.

I don't know of any other single-engine aircraft that will survive a single hit from a Flak Panzer.

My regards,

Widewing
Title: Our Il-2 underarmoured?
Post by: Blackbal on October 05, 2003, 08:18:59 PM: Even the the P-47 feels weak in AH, I have sustained a hit from an ostwind and survived in it. It just lost the wingtip. However it seemed as if there was a blast effect as when I was hit I got thrown into a hard roll for a complete turn before I was able to regain control.
Title: Our Il-2 underarmoured?
Post by: udet on October 08, 2003, 09:41:34 AM: I managed to kill Il2s in Il2 quite easily by getting in close and giving them a burst from all weapons in my G6. I don't know if it had the 30mm or the 20mm central, but it had gunpods as well.
One Il2, I saw his wingtip busted and then it must've exploded cause I got the kill message right away.
Title: Our Il-2 underarmoured?
Post by: Batz on October 08, 2003, 06:40:27 PM: film evidence of the il2s toughness

http://www.spanishcastle.com/justplanefun/russianfront.html
Title: Our Il-2 underarmoured?
Post by: JAWS2003 on October 08, 2003, 07:09:00 PM: LOL Batz :rofl
Title: Our Il-2 underarmoured?
Post by: frank3 on October 09, 2003, 09:04:24 AM: ROFL!!!
Title: Our Il-2 underarmoured?
Post by: udet on October 09, 2003, 04:26:05 PM: where can I find more Fritz The Fox???
:rofl
Title: More Here
Post by: Batz on October 09, 2003, 04:48:42 PM: Fritz Fox (http://www.spanishcastle.com/justplanefun/toons.html)
Title: Our Il-2 underarmoured?
Post by: Innominate on October 09, 2003, 06:52:17 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Widewing
I have found that the Stormovik will sometimes survive 37mm Flak hits. I have had my IL-2 hit by Ostwinds and although I lost a wing tip or elevator or flap, I was able to nurse it home.

I don't know of any other single-engine aircraft that will survive a single hit from a Flak Panzer.

Many planes can survive single hits from ostwinds, I've had it happen in the a6m2, f4u, p51d, and others. It's luck more than the il2's toughness.
Title: Our Il-2 underarmoured?
Post by: moot on October 10, 2003, 02:18:28 AM: I've been hit twice a few times I think, at least one of them without any damaged parts.
Title: Our Il-2 underarmoured?
Post by: KyleF on October 13, 2003, 07:34:02 AM: I looked at Fritz Fox Me-163 toon. Wow its funny. lol.
Title: Our Il-2 underarmoured?
Post by: Kommandant on October 14, 2003, 12:12:26 AM: Uh Yeah they were Armored with 8mm Steel Armor. Of course that was the later versions. But thats why They got the name Flying Tank. 190's could empty their entire round loads into one and it would still be flyin.
Title: Our Il-2 underarmoured?
Post by: Westy on October 14, 2003, 03:08:26 PM: IL2 seems to have gotten the old P-38's glass tail. It comes off far too easily IMO. Hopefully AH-2 refined DM will help.