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1) Saddam Hussein
2) Osama Bin Ladin
3) A link between Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Ladin
4) Weapons of mass destruction
5) White House Security leak
6) Economic Recovery
7) His Butt with both hands
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You should be ashamed of yourself! How dare you post such lies! Why I'm sure he can do #7 above! :D
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Daughters coke stash?
10,000$ pyramid i see here no?
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Ooh rpm that's tho abrathive!... careful - lotta thenthative people here! :lol
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... or Weazel finaly managed to hack in the BBS login tables ;)
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he has advisers to help with #7
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Originally posted by Saintaw
... or Weazel finaly managed to hack in the BBS login tables ;)
ROFLMAO
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C'mon guys, stop picking on our president. He's a big step up from our last one. I mean, this guy doesn't get blowjobs while on the people's dime.
When are y'all going to stop nickpicking the guy's record, and instead concentrate on what's important....his sex life?
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Originally posted by rpm371
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1) Saddam Hussein
2) Osama Bin Ladin
3) A link between Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Ladin
4) Weapons of mass destruction
5) White House Security leak
6) Economic Recovery
7) His Butt with both hands
1) and 2) I find it interesting that Hitler was rumored to be alive and well in Brazil too, after the war...and the shroud of secrecy of his death by the Soviets until recently...
3) I don't believe that he ever directly linked any relation OBL to SH, although they did link terrorist training camps in Iraq, and those were found, and don't forget SH paying $25,000 to Palestinan families whos loved ones blew themselves up for Allah and 72 virgins.
4) True enough, no WMD found, to date.
5) I do agree there should be an independant outside investigation done on this...but then political agendas will arise even from the outside.
6)Obviously you haven't been paying attention to the economic numbers.
7) Thats up to personal interpretation.
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Whats wrong with blow jobs banana?
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
6)Obviously you haven't been paying attention to the economic numbers.
Nor have you if you think there is a single positive thing going on in the economy.
As an example, Denver area has seen a 46% increase in homeowner foreclosures over last year. Really great.
h
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His dick in an interns mouth.
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Originally posted by Horn
Nor have you if you think there is a single positive thing going on in the economy.
As an example, Denver area has seen a 46% increase in homeowner foreclosures over last year. Really great.
h
Do you want me to do the search and provide you with facts..or are your fingers broken?
Denver are could be an isolated area. What makes you think Denver is the center of the economic recovery universe?
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Originally posted by Horn
Nor have you if you think there is a single positive thing going on in the economy.
h [/B]
Ya you're right "no" good Economic news.
Monday, October 6, 2003
Nonfarm Payrolls Up 57,000 In Sept. After 7-Month Slide
BY CHRISTINA WISE
INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY
Friday's employment report fostered hope the jobless recovery may be grinding to a close.
Nonfarm payrolls rose by 57,000 jobs in September, breaking a seven-month string of declines, the Labor Department said. July and August payrolls were also revised to a loss of 98,000 vs. the previously reported drop of 142,000.
The unemployment rate stayed at 6.1%, defying forecasts for a bump up to 6.2%.
The bulk of the job gains came in the service sector, which added 74,000 positions. Temporary jobs rose 33,000, the fifth straight increase. This is seen as a forerunner to more organic job growth since companies often hire temporary workers before filling full-time positions.
"When you look at the overall picture, it seems like it's following a script of a slow comeback," said David Littmann, chief economist with Comerica Bank in Detroit. "One where employment is going to grow, but not nearly as fast as the (number of) job seekers who are looking, so the unemployment rate is going to remain at current high levels through March."
Firms in health services, business services and transportation and utilities also added jobs.
And though factories shed workers for a 38th straight month, pink slips slowed. Manufacturing payrolls declined by 29,000 in September, the fewest since July 2002.
The government also has been trimming its payrolls, eliminating 15,000 positions in September, its seventh straight monthly decline.
The average workweek stayed flat at 33.7 hours, but the factory workweek and overtime rose.
Have Jobs Finally Bottomed?
Littmann said the labor market seems to have found its bottom and is now entering a period where monthly payrolls seesaw back and forth between positive and negative territory.
"It's a prelude to firmer employment simply because before something turns unequivocally, it starts bouncing around between the plus and the minus," Littmann said. "But the most jobless portion of the cycle is behind us."
The economy has to grow at a pace of 3% or higher for at least two quarters before employers will feel confident the recovery has staying power and hire significantly more workers, Littmann says. He doesn't expect job growth to truly kick in until March.
Still, after the long slump, businesses are primed for expansion. He points to Michigan as an example, which has been hit hard by the downturn and by the restructuring of its old-line manufacturers.
"When you ask one of the lending people here 'are suppliers gritting their teeth and at the end of their rope?' " Littmann said. "They say if they've survived, they are mean and lean and if they get any increase in sales, it's going to go straight to the bottom line as profit. When that happens they will be able to relieve us of this jobless recovery."
Others note that while Friday's report had its positives, it wasn't exactly a roaring comeback.
It's like "prisoners under torture being relieved at the slightest removal of pain," said Russell Sheldon, managing director of the Bank of Montreal. "This was just barely better than being poked in the eye by a small stick, but it went over well."
He notes the creation of 57,000 jobs isn't that large when compared with the overall job market.
"100,000 jobs is just one-tenth of 1% of the work force," Sheldon said. "This increase was barely visible and it comes after a long string of declines."
Employment is still down 2.7 million from the February 2001 peak.
Sheldon also said September's job gains weren't broad. The percentage of industries that added jobs rose to 47.1% in September, the highest since March '01 when the recession began.
But, "You need that well above 50%," Sheldon said. "We did have some gains, but they're still too narrowly based to get excited about. It's coming, but it isn't here yet."
Also, average hourly earnings edged 0.1% lower in September, the first drop in over 14 years.
"The wage numbers were pretty spectacularly bad," Sheldon said. "There was no income created here. The jobs barely rose, the workweek is pretty steady and the amount of pay dropped, so we're still in cost-cutting mode in this report."
Still, despite the weaknesses, the overall report showed hints of better times ahead.
"A lot of it was temporary help, but at least it was a plus," Sheldon said. "We seem to be turning the corner.
"Our theory is that the economy is strong and will blossom in the next few months, but this didn't prove it," he added. "If this is the first step, it was a baby step. We hope to see more and soon."
Companies are waiting to make sure that the increased demand is here to stay before they add jobs.
"At this point profit margins are back into the healthy ranges," Sheldon said. "So going forward (firms') hesitation will start to decline and the natural competition for profit margins will pick up."
Feature Story
Monday, October 6, 2003
Profits Look Strong As Q3 Season Starts
BY DAVID SAITO-CHUNG
INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY
It's not 2000 again, that's for sure. But the technology sector is expected to lead third-quarter corporate earnings to their best gains in three years.
Based on analysts' profit estimates for the third quarter, earnings among companies in the S&P 500 large-cap benchmark index are expected to rise 15.9% from a year earlier.
And First Call's research chief Chuck Hill predicts that by the end of earnings reporting season, actual S&P 500 operating earnings will show a 19% to 20% gain. If true, that would exceed the 18.4% growth in the third quarter of 2000, the year the stock market bubble burst.
The biggest contributors to the strong increase hail from the tech, energy and financial sectors. Excluding Lucent Technologies, (LU) whose recent accounting change results in a much more favorable year-over-year comparison, the tech sector is currently seen growing earnings by 20%.
Pent-up Tech Demand
Why so strong? They've cut costs to the extent that a genuine pickup in revenue would easily leverage a boost in earnings. Real interest rates are still low. The weaker dollar has helped boost exports for U.S. chipmakers and other hardware suppliers.
Plus, companies have stretched the replacement cycle for new computer hardware.
"This is the part of the economy where we see a lot of pent-up demand," said Russ Koesterich, North America equities strategist at State Street Global Markets in Boston.
State Street has also found a strong link between earnings and the Institute for Supply Management's manufacturing survey's new orders index. From June to September this year, the subindex has risen from 52.2 to 60.4. A figure above 50 indicates growth.
Money managers agree.
"Recent gains in business spending have been led by technology purchases, providing solid sales growth to technology firms," Steven Young and Robert Benson of the $315-billion-strong Banc of America Capital Management wrote in a Sept. 29 report.
Analysts see energy firms' earnings up 42% and health care earnings up 14%. Consumer cyclicals' profits are expected to grow only 3%. Koesterich notes higher energy prices could hurt this sector.
Not all sectors share the same warm, glowing outlook.
Utilities in the S&P 500 are expected to post third-quarter profits down 4% from a year earlier.
Telecommunications firms' profits are expected to drop 5%, while the basic materials sector is forecast to see earnings dip 1%.
The third-quarter earnings reporting season kicks off this week, with for-profit school Apollo Group (APOL) and aluminum giant Alcoa (AA) stepping up Tuesday; Yahoo, (YHOO) Genentech (DNA) and Costco (COST) on Wednesday; and General Electric (GE) Friday.
Earnings season really moves into high gear the following week.
Among the small fraction of companies in the S&P 500 that have already reported, many have trounced Wall Street views. On Sept. 23, Morgan Stanley posted a 72% jump in August third-quarter earnings to $1.15 a share, smashing the 69-cent consensus estimate.
Meanwhile, third-quarter profit warnings have been relatively mild. The ratio of negative to positive preannouncements is running at 1.7 vs. 2.5 in the first quarter of 2003.
And earnings prospects look good. As of Friday, analysts saw fourth-quarter earnings rising 21.8% from a year earlier.
"This is a fairly significant growth rate," because in fourth-quarter 2002, earnings rose a solid 9.7%, said Ken Perkins, research analyst at First Call.
In the first half of 2003, companies beat analyst views by more than usual. So Perkins believes such a gain is "certainly achievable."
The earnings picture also looks bright for early next year.
First-quarter profit growth is pegged at 13%. On July 1, Wall Street expected a 10.3% increase. This upward revision is unusual, because analysts typically trim their initial estimates by 3% on average.
Sales growth — the heart of higher profits — remains a concern for market analysts and investors.
"I don't think they will be poor, but the concern is whether revenue growth will satisfy expectations, which have been aggressive," Koesterich said. He also points out this economic recovery has been the mildest since after World War II.
Most economists say third-quarter GDP likely grew well over 4%.
First Call wouldn't disclose revenue estimates for the third quarter because of high volatility in figures for the financial and energy sectors.
In the second quarter, revenue among S&P 500 firms rose 7.4%, down from 9.9% in Q1. But excluding energy and the weak dollar, sales growth was tepid.
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This is a really bad troll.
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Obviously hard to find people with perspective too.
From Kay's unclassified portion of the report:
Why are we having such difficulty in finding weapons or in reaching a confident conclusion that they do not exist or that they once existed but have been removed? Our search efforts are being hindered by six principal factors:
1. From birth, all of Iraq's WMD activities were highly compartmentalized within a regime that ruled and kept its secrets through fear and terror and with deception and denial built into each program;
2. Deliberate dispersal and destruction of material and documentation related to weapons programs began pre-conflict and ran trans-to-post conflict;
3. Post-OIF looting destroyed or dispersed important and easily collectable material and forensic evidence concerning Iraq's WMD program. As the report covers in detail, significant elements of this looting were carried out in a systematic and deliberate manner, with the clear aim of concealing pre-OIF activities of Saddam's regime;
4. Some WMD personnel crossed borders in the pre/trans conflict period and may have taken evidence and even weapons-related materials with them;
5. Any actual WMD weapons or material is likely to be small in relation to the total conventional armaments footprint and difficult to near impossible to identify with normal search procedures. It is important to keep in mind that even the bulkiest materials we are searching for, in the quantities we would expect to find, can be concealed in spaces not much larger than a two car garage;
6. The environment in Iraq remains far from permissive for our activities, with many Iraqis that we talk to reporting threats and overt acts of intimidation and our own personnel being the subject of threats and attacks. In September alone we have had three attacks on ISG facilities or teams: The ISG base in Irbil was bombed and four staff injured, two very seriously; a two person team had their vehicle blocked by gunmen and only escaped by firing back through their own windshield; and on Wednesday, 24 September, the ISG Headquarters in Baghdad again was subject to mortar attack...
...For example, there are approximately 130 known Iraqi Ammunition Storage Points (ASP), many of which exceed 50 square miles in size and hold an estimated 600,000 tons of artillery shells, rockets, aviation bombs and other ordinance. Of these 130 ASPs, approximately 120 still remain unexamined.
As Iraqi practice was not to mark much of their chemical ordinance and to store it at the same ASPs that held conventional rounds, the size of the required search effort is enormous.
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WMD Programs existed, and are being uncovered as we speak. See toads post above.
The economy is improving. No thanks to GWB or any president. It merely follows the business cycle. See JBA's post.
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My grandfather brought up a good point concerning the WMD. Didn't someone not too long ago discover a fully intact MiG buried in the desert somewhere?
His belief is that they WMD have been buried in the giant sandbox that is Iraq, and until someone comes forward to say "Dig right here" we'll never locate them. :D
That or they've been moved to Syria.
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These are the facts presented by Colin Powell to the U.N. prior to the war.
"26,000 liters of anthrax, 38,000 liters of botulinum toxin, 500 tons of sarin, mustard, and VX nerve agents, almost 30,000 munitions capable of delivering chemical agents, several mobile biological-weapons labs, an advanced nuclear-weapons development program, a design for a nuclear weapon, and a program to enrich uranium."
500 tons of sarin, mustard, and VX nerve agents alone is 1,000,000 lbs of materials-I hardly doubt that would fit into a "two car garage" Toad.
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Originally posted by k2cok
These are the facts presented by Colin Powell to the U.N. prior to the war.
500 tons of sarin, mustard, and VX nerve agents alone is 1,000,000 lbs of materials-I hardly doubt that would fit into a "two car garage" Toad.
Al Gore shoulda won....he got robbed.
Yup...that Bush is a bad man.
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I like threads like this because it gets them all in one place, makes it easy to update the ignore list.
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Originally posted by k2cok
These are the facts presented by Colin Powell to the U.N. prior to the war.
500 tons of sarin, mustard, and VX nerve agents alone is 1,000,000 lbs of materials-I hardly doubt that would fit into a "two car garage" Toad.
How hard would it be to hide any or all of this material in one of the 120 unexamined Weapons Depots, some of which are 50 square miles in size?
How much of this material has degraded over the course of the past 10 years?
Is it possible, that a country that had managed to bury an entire air force in the sand, could do so with 55 gallon drums?
If no WMDs existed, and GWB is a liar, why did so many Democrats including such luminaries as Tom Daschle and Hillary Clinton go on record to say how they IRAQi's WMD's posed a great risk to the world?
Answers would be appreciated. Save the cartoons and sock puppets for the DNC.
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Originally posted by k2cok
500 tons of sarin, mustard, and VX nerve agents alone is 1,000,000 lbs of materials-I hardly doubt that would fit into a "two car garage" Toad.
Assuming a density near that of water, 500 tons would be 500 cubic meters.
500 cubic meters could be a stack 3 meters high, 13 meters wide and 13 meters long.
This amount would fill a 2000 sq ft home, or about 5 - 2 car garages.
I could very easily hide a 2000 square foot home in Los Angeles, let alone the entire state of Califoronia.
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Originally posted by Horn
Nor have you if you think there is a single positive thing going on in the economy.
As an example, Denver area has seen a 46% increase in homeowner foreclosures over last year. Really great.
h
Okay. That is just plain stupid.
If you really believe that any president in office has a truly significant effect on the economy RIGHT NOW then you are pretty much asinine. Never mind the other outside factors that the president can't control.
I suppose you also believe that Clinton was responsible for the great economy that Bush has "ruined"? It doesn't have anything to do with the dot.com business and wall street?
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Good post, Holden.
Oh, wait...courtesy of JBA:
“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show the Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort and sanctuary to terrorist, including al-Qaida members . It is clear, however, that if left unchecked. Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.” Sen. Hillary Clinton D-NY Oct 10, 2002
“There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years… WE also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in developing of weapons of mass destruction.” Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D- W.VA. Oct 10, 2002
“We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.” Sen. Ted Kennedy D-mass 2002
“We urge you, after consulting with congress and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspected Iraq sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs” Letter to Clinton, signed by Sen. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct, 9 1998
How's that?
I've got more.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
I like threads like this because it gets them all in one place, makes it easy to update the ignore list.
LOL...you go funked
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Originally posted by k2cok
These are the facts presented by Colin Powell to the U.N. prior to the war.
500 tons of sarin, mustard, and VX nerve agents alone is 1,000,000 lbs of materials-I hardly doubt that would fit into a "two car garage" Toad.
Oh, absolutely, K2!
You should immediately call Kay and share your observations with him and point out to him that he's an incompetent fool and, totally unlike yourself, he doesn't have any idea what it takes to search Iraq for WMD.
Tell him you've got it all figured out and explain to him all the things he doesn't know about the subject that you know and have proven beyond all shadow of a doubt.
Oh, and call him names and stuff, too. That'll help cower him and show your dominance.
A grateful nation awaits the performance of this service by you!
Go to it lad!
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Do you even bother to read what you posted?
Originally posted by JBA
Ya you're right "no" good Economic news.
"When you look at the overall picture, it seems like it's following a script of a slow comeback," said David Littmann, chief economist with Comerica Bank in Detroit. "One where employment is going to grow, but not nearly as fast as the (number of) job seekers who are looking, so the unemployment rate is going to remain at current high levels through March."
And though factories shed workers for a 38th straight month, pink slips slowed. Manufacturing payrolls declined by 29,000 in September, the fewest since July 2002.
Oh yeah, kickin prettythang.
The government also has been trimming its payrolls, eliminating 15,000 positions in September, its seventh straight monthly decline.
"Littmann said the labor market seems to have found its bottom and is now entering a period where monthly payrolls seesaw back and forth between positive and negative territory.
More good news! Even the Government is laying off?
"It's like "prisoners under torture being relieved at the slightest removal of pain," said Russell Sheldon, managing director of the Bank of Montreal. "This was just barely better than being poked in the eye by a small stick, but it went over well.""
A nice way of putting it....
He notes the creation of 57,000 jobs isn't that large when compared with the overall job market.
"100,000 jobs is just one-tenth of 1% of the work force," Sheldon said. "This increase was barely visible and it comes after a long string of declines."
Whooohoo! Real progress!
But, "You need that well above 50%," Sheldon said. "We did have some gains, but they're still too narrowly based to get excited about. It's coming, but it isn't here yet."
Also, average hourly earnings edged 0.1% lower in September, the first drop in over 14 years.
More glowing news.
"The wage numbers were pretty spectacularly bad," Sheldon said. "There was no income created here. The jobs barely rose, the workweek is pretty steady and the amount of pay dropped, so we're still in cost-cutting mode in this report."
Yeehaa.
"A lot of it was temporary help, but at least it was a plus," Sheldon said. "We seem to be turning the corner.
"Our theory is that the economy is strong and will blossom in the next few months, but this didn't prove it," he added. "If this is the first step, it was a baby step. We hope to see more and soon."
Companies are waiting to make sure that the increased demand is here to stay before they add jobs.
Sounds like they are waiting to see if that light at the end of the tunnel isn't a train.
Utilities in the S&P 500 are expected to post third-quarter profits down 4% from a year earlier.
Telecommunications firms' profits are expected to drop 5%, while the basic materials sector is forecast to see earnings dip 1%.
In the second quarter, revenue among S&P 500 firms rose 7.4%, down from 9.9% in Q1. But excluding energy and the weak dollar, sales growth was tepid.
Wow. Tech stocks are up--but utilities are down.
Thanks for making my point.
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Originally posted by Horn
"100,000 jobs is just one-tenth of 1% of the work force," Sheldon said. "This increase was barely visible and it comes after a long string of declines."
Whooohoo! Real progress!
I suppose that if you were in an aircraft in a steep compression dive from thirty thousand feet, and you pulled out just five feet above the surface, you would still be terrified until you regained your original altitude...
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Originally posted by Drunky
Okay. That is just plain stupid.
If you really believe that any president in office has a truly significant effect on the economy RIGHT NOW then you are pretty much asinine. Never mind the other outside factors that the president can't control.
I suppose you also believe that Clinton was responsible for the great economy that Bush has "ruined"? It doesn't have anything to do with the dot.com business and wall street?
lol--I dont believe anywhere I have laid the economic decline at the President's feet. You said it, not me. It is, however, happening on his watch. Make of it what you will.
As a Republican, I am very disappointed with this administration's lack of focus in this area. The tardlet downthread that asks "What makes you think Denver is the economic indicator of the US" (or something to that effect) might want to do a little research on the HUD site--it hasn't been pretty this year in terms of foreclosures. Nationwide. Denver's numbers just happened to be in the paper last week.
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Horn,
I suggest you take a look at Economic recoveries in US history minus the Tech boom (which in itself was unique by all accounts).
Not quite sure how "your point was made" however. If anything, you choose to wear blinders because of who is in power. The fact that the tax cuts have possibly attributed to the economic recovery (considering that 2/3's of our economy is Consumer spending) seems to have you on edge.
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Originally posted by Horn
The tardlet downthread that asks "What makes you think Denver is the economic indicator of the US"
Originally posted by Toad
Oh, and call him names and stuff, too. That'll help cower him and show your dominance.
Also, horn, check out historical unemployment figures vs. history house foreclosures during the same period and I think you'll find a direct correlation. ;)
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
I suppose that if you were in an aircraft in a steep compression dive from thirty thousand feet, and you pulled out just five feet above the surface, you would still be terrified until you regained your original altitude...
...or suppose...that you make 50 grand a year and you are getting your annual raise based on those same numbers. How are you going to spend that whole $4.16 per month?
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Actually it's $3.12 after tax
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Also, horn, check out historical unemployment figures vs. history house foreclosures during the same period and I think you'll find a direct correlation. ;)
You're saying home foreclosures go up with unemployment rates? If so, well, DUH! Don't have any money because nobody is hiring=losing the mortgage.
If not, what are you saying?
h
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Horn,
I suggest you take a look at Economic recoveries in US history minus the Tech boom (which in itself was unique by all accounts).
Not quite sure how "your point was made" however. If anything, you choose to wear blinders because of who is in power. The fact that the tax cuts have possibly attributed to the economic recovery (considering that 2/3's of our economy is Consumer spending) seems to have you on edge.
You are assuming that I am among the Bush haters. Ain't so. I voted for the guy and support (generally) the Party platform.
Note the language used in that report pasted above. Lots of "seems to be" and "positive indicators" and "our theory is" but no concrete evidence other than a blip in the Tech sector--and the possible positive effect of tax cuts is still with the jury.
THAT is my point that the report made.
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Originally posted by banana
C'mon guys, stop picking on our president. He's a big step up from our last one. I mean, this guy doesn't get blowjobs while on the people's dime.
When are y'all going to stop nickpicking the guy's record, and instead concentrate on what's important....his sex life?
Brilliant.
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Some interesting stats to look at here:
http://www.census.gov/cgi-bin/briefroom/BriefRm
new home sales: UP +3.4 % in August.
( http://www.census.gov/briefrm/esbr/www/esbr051.html )
Home ownership rate up:
( http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/housing/hvs/hvsgraph.html )
Say Horn, can you provide me a link explaining those HUD foreclosures, I've searched their website and googled it but haven't found anything that you were referring to in Colorado.
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Originally posted by banana
C'mon guys, stop picking on our president. He's a big step up from our last one. I mean, this guy doesn't get blowjobs while on the people's dime.
When are y'all going to stop nickpicking the guy's record, and instead concentrate on what's important....his sex life?
We'll leave that up to the LA Times ;)
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/michaelmoore/story/0,13947,1056922,00.html
It's Liberal, it's the Guardian, uptight right wingers you were warned...just move along and go and polish something or salute something.....
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Some interesting stats to look at here:
http://www.census.gov/cgi-bin/briefroom/BriefRm
new home sales: UP +3.4 % in August.
Oh come on--that's 3.4% over JULY. I like this site tho.
( http://www.census.gov/briefrm/esbr/www/esbr051.html )
Teeny increments.
Home ownership rate up:
( http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/housing/hvs/hvsgraph.html )
Again, look at the figures--improvements in TENTH of percents.
Say Horn, can you provide me a link explaining those HUD foreclosures, I've searched their website and googled it but haven't found anything that you were referring to in Colorado. [/B]
They are not HUD foreclosures. I said HOME foreclosures--but here is the link to the article I was referencing--Notice the grey graphic: Boulder and Douglas counties showing over 95% increases in foreclosures from last year. An anamoly? Don't think so.
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~33~1669748,00.html
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
I suppose that if you were in an aircraft in a steep compression dive from thirty thousand feet, and you pulled out just five feet above the surface, you would still be terrified until you regained your original altitude...
Originally posted by Horn
...or suppose...that you make 50 grand a year and you are getting your annual raise based on those same numbers. How are you going to spend that whole $4.16 per month?
h
Actually it's $3.12 after tax
So pulling out of the dive doesn't make any difference... hell... let it crash.
Or, you could look at the numbers and say that in order for things to get better, first they must stop getting worse.
Enough with the negative waves, Moriarity.
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Originally posted by Horn
As an example, Denver area has seen a 46% increase in homeowner foreclosures over last year. Really great.
h
Experts attribute the rise in foreclosures to a combination of job losses and lax credit standards that allowed people to stretch themselves too far.
"A lot of people leveraged themselves too much to get into these big, expensive houses," Boulder economist Steven Fisher said. "People plunged themselves too deeply into debt, then got laid off."
Can you please show me the connection between this administration and the fact that employers are laying off due to the decline in the tech sector, combined with mis-use of ones credit cards?
Thanks.
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the denver foreclosures are another result of the 90's bubble burst
as CA bit the biz ****, many companies moved into the denver area trying to save operation costs
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Can you please show me the connection between this administration and the fact that employers are laying off due to the decline in the tech sector, combined with mis-use of ones credit cards?
Thanks.
Um, no. Don't think anyone could. You might want to read that again--the term was "lax credit standards"--which loosely translated, means the bank loaned too much money therefore allowing the customer to be stretched to the limit payment wise. So when they got laid off, there was no recovery.
....and as to the tech sector, well that was 2001 news, wasn't it? As I pointed out, the gov't sector is laying off as is industry NOW.
.....as to the administration's "fault"--deficit spending, a very expensive war (with no end in sight), too much importation--all factors that contribute to the down turn. My disappointment in the administration stems from inattention to these issues--they would rather try to deflect our attention with a "Patriot" Act and a very poorly thought out conflict than address what concerns the American people.
As to crying doom and gloom--if one knows the nature of the problem, it can probably be fixed, yes? More attention needs to be paid or we'll have another Clinton in office. I will feel free to beetch about it until it improves.
Voices of dissent should be listened to, not criticized for a lack of "patriotism"--what hogwash.
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Originally posted by banana
C'mon guys, stop picking on our president. He's a big step up from our last one. I mean, this guy doesn't get blowjobs while on the people's dime.
When are y'all going to stop nickpicking the guy's record, and instead concentrate on what's important....his sex life?
Thats for Dr.Phil, and what sex life?:lol
Stupid remark sorry..:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
So pulling out of the dive doesn't make any difference... hell... let it crash.
Or, you could look at the numbers and say that in order for things to get better, first they must stop getting worse.
Enough with the negative waves, Moriarity.
lol, agreed, but another view might be that we have not seen the bottom yet and the "positive indicators" are just a slight updraft on the way down.
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(hopes it's not true)
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Originally posted by Horn
Nor have you if you think there is a single positive thing going on in the economy.
As an example, Denver area has seen a 46% increase in homeowner foreclosures over last year. Really great.
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So its his fault that these people go out and buy a million dollar house on a $200,000 budget and max out the cards, then find out they cant pay their $9,000 month house payment. I'm sure its all his fault...
The economy is doing great here and where I'm moving to. I have always had a job, just made $40,000 profit on a house I owned for 14 months. Life is good, because I took it into my own hands and did it my self. I don't expect anyone to find me a job or make my house payment. There is nothing in the rules that say you have a right to a house, job , and for that matter happiness, it says you have the right to pursue happiness.
You must be a democrat, always wanting a piece of the pie but not willing to work for it. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Horn
As an example, Denver area has seen a 46% increase in homeowner foreclosures over last year. Really great.
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Tells me people finally figured out the hard way that the market in Denver is overpriced.
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You don't hafta believe me....
From Carolina:
http://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte/stories/2003/05/12/focus2.html
Nationally:
http://www.ired.com/news/mort/fc-repercussions.htm
From California:
http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/stories/2003/02/10/daily40.html
From New York:
http://albany.bizjournals.com/albany/stories/2003/05/12/story2.html
Explain that.
You must be a democrat, always wanting a piece of the pie but not willing to work for it.
Oh, and medicBOY, I don't believe I ever said I was either a Democrat, unemployed nor in foreclosure, so pound sand.
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Originally posted by Horn
"lax credit standards"-....therefore allowing the customer to be stretched to the limit payment wise. So when they got laid off, there was no recovery.
Thats thier own damn fault.
don't buy a house you can afford.
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Oh, and medicBOY, I don't believe I ever said I was either a Democrat, unemployed nor in foreclosure, so pound sand.
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You are sure getting offended like you are. I never said you were any of those except a democrat. Just saying that ya there are a few situations where you have to let the house go that you can not controll, but 99% of thse are these people's own fault. Not GW's or mine. I had no trouble making my house payment, and my income has gone up every year since GW has been in office, the worst year I ever had was '99' when Klinton was CIC.
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OT:Medicboy, your avatar sig says "Montana bound"?
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Rip, leaving this liberal love nest (kaliforication) for Montana in 20 days, just don't want to admit I am from this pos state anymore.
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Originally posted by ygsmilo
Tells me people finally figured out the hard way that the market in Denver is overpriced.
Perhaps, but in your own back yard:
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/local/6921088.htm
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Originally posted by medicboy
Rip, leaving this liberal love nest (kaliforication) for Montana in 20 days, just don't want to admit I am from this pos state anymore.
Oh thats right, Hamilton. And I noticed I posted "120 yards" in my other post, same deer story, so I'm beginning to wonder how far of shot I really had? Just like fish stories...:D
Kalifornicate, as I understand it, is quite conservative once you get out of the Big cities.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Oh thats right, Hamilton. And I noticed I posted "120 yards" in my other post, same deer story, so I'm beginning to wonder how far of shot I really had? Just like fish stories...:D
Kalifornicate, as I understand it, is quite conservative once you get out of the Big cities.
Yep Hamilton....Can't wait.
Yes it is quite nice as far as people go but the problem is it is still Ca. And the arse holes in LA and The gay bay make the laws and the people who live out in the country have no voice. Our rules are made by those that live in a city and know nothing about the rual areas. Sure we all vote but that doesn't mean anything, we are too out numbered. He!! the Fish and Game commision is made up of Gray Davis's wife's friends who just wanted to be placed on a commision to feel important, they have no clue what to do there except make rules that dont' make sense.
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Originally posted by medicboy
Life is good, because I took it into my own hands and did it my self.
You must've stolen it. Everybody knows that it is impossible to succeed unless someone else fails.
It is impossible to create wealth. There is a finite amount of wealth in this world and we need the omnipotent government to distribute it evenly. By force if necessary.
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Originally posted by medicboy
You are sure getting offended like you are. I never said you were any of those except a democrat. Just saying that ya there are a few situations where you have to let the house go that you can not controll, but 99% of thse are these people's own fault. Not GW's or mine. I had no trouble making my house payment, and my income has gone up every year since GW has been in office, the worst year I ever had was '99' when Klinton was CIC.
Sorry, I generally assume that when someone posts something to a thread that they at least READ what came before, dufus.
I'm very glad you can make your house payment :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Horn
Perhaps, but in your own back yard:
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/local/6921088.htm
Yep another market that was overpriced, good call.
People love to cite statistics but have no clue to the "WHY" it happening. I do in both markets, you had better do better than a google search to do yours.
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One word of advice, which you probably already know if you've traveled to Montana before...don't tell anyone you moved from Kalifornia if you want to have friendships...or, if you do, say in a funny way, like "I survived and escaped Kalifornia". They don't much like Kalifornians in Montana except in the college towns (Missoula, Bozeman) Surprise, huh? ;)
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Southern California has huge enclaves of conservatives. We try to keep them happy with the weather and all, but they escape every now and then, usually to Montana.
(Actually if you go to Irvine Ca. you can't swing a cat without smacking a con on the butt.)
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What I have found is that everyone I have talked to is a transplant, and most are from calicornia. Once they find out I hunt, fish and don't hug trees they come around pretty fast. But your right, I'm going to get rid of the California plates on my truck before I move, I already have an address and a phone number so that won't be a problem.
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Originally posted by ygsmilo
Yep another market that was overpriced, good call.
People love to cite statistics but have no clue to the "WHY" it happening. I do in both markets, you had better do better than a google search to do yours.
Longhofer blamed manufacturing layoffs for pulling down prices, particularly in the blue-collar areas of Wichita.
Real estate agent Carolyn French said seven of her last 27 homes sold to avoid foreclosure.
"Everybody's tight," she said.
So you disagree with the study? And all the other links provided (to Rip)? Sounds like ostrich syndrome to me.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Southern California has huge enclaves of conservatives. We try to keep them happy with the weather and all, but they escape every now and then, usually to Montana.
(Actually if you go to Irvine Ca. you can't swing a cat without smacking a con on the butt.)
I'm calling PETA!!!!!!!!!!!!:D :D :D
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Wichita's been sucking eggs for a long time, not just since the election.
So?
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Well, according to locals in Ennis, the first thing Californians try to do when the move to Montana is implement THEIR lifestyles on Montanans. Everything from cocktails to politics. (I used to have bumper sticker that said "We don't give a DAMN HOW they do it in California", which was from a bar where the bartendars got tired of hearing Californians complain about the way drinks were made at that bar, mind you, this was a hunting/fishing town where alot of out of towners come in ...)
The other problem is...alot of Californian developers with tons of cash come up and buy up large tracts of land and develope it, Californian-style, with 6 feet between the houses and 100 ft. high "privacy fences" ...then they advertise these places in California, and guess what? You have mass migration of retired Californians moving in trying to "change Montana".
But you're right, as long as you adapt to them, and not expect them to adapt to you, you'll be fine.
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Originally posted by Horn
So you disagree with the study? And all the other links provided (to Rip)? Sounds like ostrich syndrome to me.
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The WTX economy was built on the aircraft industry both light and heavy, I think we know where that economy. It is also heavily dependant upon the oil service sector. an industry that has not been doing so great but is improving. The Ag sector was hurt by a drought 2 years ago but is getting better, it is usually a 18 month lag time for those cycles.
WTX is alot like Denver, they have boom and bust cycles, go back and look what the economies were like in the early 80's.
People are just like a herd of cows, they all to the same thing at the same time. Now the bull, he don't run with the herd, he stays on his own and does his own thing until it is time to make things happen.
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RIP, I agree totaly, that is what the city idiots did up in this neck of the woods, they even got Eric Estrada to do a comercial for a development just to the north of my house... They move up here to be in the country and then complain because it is not like the city..... Well DUH!!!!!!!
I think I will do fine, I am going up there because the lifestyle fits my way of thinking perfectly and I don't want a thing to change. My way of thinking is if we give them NE cali, maybe they won't want to come up to montana!
I am really a Montanian traped in a Californian body...:D
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From Voice Of America (http://www.voanews.com/article.cfm?objectID=59B4CEE5-7571-4DB5-B3272954C361B991)
"I don't know if we are going to find out the senior administration official [who leaked the name]. This is a large administration and we have many officials. I don't have any idea. I would like to," he (Bush) said.
Well...Isn't that convieeeeenient. :rofl
(http://www.randomjane.com/525reasons/bushpics/bushbrows.jpg)
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Milo:
People are just like a herd of cows, they all to the same thing at the same time. Now the bull, he don't run with the herd, he stays on his own and does his own thing until it is time to make things happen.
That right there is sig block material.