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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ripsnort on October 06, 2003, 07:36:28 AM
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On the History channel? They had interviews with everyone from Ukranians to NVKD guards, and Stalins son as well. I sure it was just all lies and propoganda though (right Boroda?) ;)
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I saw bits and pieces. Every time they showed dead bodies or people about to get executed, the wife made me switch it back to the Steelers game. Looked pretty good, from what I saw.
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I did, it was revolting. I didn't know that Lenin had instructed the party to oust Stalin and make Trotsky the party leader. Interesting stuff!
I hear Stalin and Hitler are roomies down there nowadays. Well, at least they should be.
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I found it remarkable that thousands of Gulag prisoners were writing letters to Stalin thinking that Stalin did not know of the conditions in which these inmages were living nor the reasons they were sent there..they actually thought that Stalin himself was such a saint that he could not possibly be directly responsible for the people being imprisoned in the Gulag.
I also found it interesting that Stalin himself spent the wee hours of the morning going over the lists of those to be executed and approving them, even adding comments like "Add 6,000 more, not enough"
:eek:
The near 100% mortality rate for the mines of Kolyma near the Arctic circle was amazing...that word would literally send shivers down a civilian spine, since it was a sure death sentence.
What a nightmare for the civilians of the Soviet Union.
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Rip i glad you started this thread verse me! I saw it, It was excellent but im sure Borda's gonna com in here saying Stalin was a Hero and never did those things!
Stalin was one sick puppy!
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Boroda's not the only one Miko admires him as a consumate politician. :rolleyes:
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What was most interesting, was how matter-of-fact the ex-"interrogators" were about their craft. It makes it easy to see how people can do bad things, really bad things, to other people.....and be able to talk about it logically and unemotionally years later.
Scary chit!
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Saw the show too, all lies!!! Thankfully Comrade Commisar Boroda will be along shortly with the truth...
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battle not goin to well on the home front huh?
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Originally posted by banana
What was most interesting, was how matter-of-fact the ex-"interrogators" were about their craft. It makes it easy to see how people can do bad things, really bad things, to other people.....and be able to talk about it logically and unemotionally years later.
Scary chit!
Well, as they put it, the "System" would have made them victims too if they had not done what they were told to do. Catch 22, do as I say, or you become the interogee" (is that a word?)
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Stalin killed 40 million Russians.
Leading Lady Astor to ask" When will you stop killing all the people"
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
I found it remarkable that thousands of Gulag prisoners were writing letters to Stalin thinking that Stalin did not know of the conditions in which these inmages were living nor the reasons they were sent there..they actually thought that Stalin himself was such a saint that he could not possibly be directly responsible for the people being imprisoned in the Gulag.
thats true, people just belive leader showed as good in propaganda is allmost good;)
Originally posted by Ripsnort
I also found it interesting that Stalin himself spent the wee hours of the morning going over the lists of those to be executed and approving them, even adding comments like "Add 6,000 more, not enough"
:eek:
urban legend;-)
Originally posted by Ripsnort
The near 100% mortality rate for the mines of Kolyma near the Arctic circle was amazing...that word would literally send shivers down a civilian spine, since it was a sure death sentence.
What a nightmare for the civilians of the Soviet Union.
not civilians only, was not rule to being send there
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Originally posted by ramzey
urban legend;-)
not civilians only, was not rule to being send there
Not sure if you were joking or not...but they showed samples of the thousands of documents Stalin himself sigend (in red ink)
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Anyone notice how much Stalin Looks like Saddam? seriously!
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Originally posted by boxboy28
Anyone notice how much Stalin Looks like Saddam? seriously!
I wonder how much of that is by chance, you did know that Saddam found Stalin fascinating and studied his every historic move. He was a "big fan" of Stalin, according to one of his aides.
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Stalin=Less Articulate, More Paranoid Hitler lol
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What's weird is that in some matters, he wasn't paranoid enough. I recall reading that he had advisors urgently warning him about german forces massing on Soviet borders that he told to calm down because he believed in the non-aggression pact.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
What's weird is that in some matters, he wasn't paranoid enough. I recall reading that he had advisors urgently warning him about german forces massing on Soviet borders that he told to calm down because he believed in the non-aggression pact.
Distrusted his own people, but trusted other countries Gov'ts. Sounds like a modern day Liberal.
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lord dolf vader
What the hell are you on?
This is a thread about Stalin, not US politics; can't you let you overly partisan crap go for even a second? You need help.
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Maverick: Boroda's not the only one Miko admires him as a consumate politician. :rolleyes:
"Admire" is not the right word to use here, especially "admire him". I recognise that he was an extremely capable politician.
You could stretch it to saying that I admire his political acumen like I would admire a singer's vocal abilities or weightlifter's strength. But it's a long way from recognising a person's abilities to admiring a person, which necessarily involves a value judgement of person's goals and ideas.
I've studied Stalin's assent to power quite thoughroughly. The most common feature one would notice in all his political opponents - the people commonly recognised as brilliant thinkers - was underappreciation of Stalin's intellect.
banana: I didn't know that Lenin had instructed the party to oust Stalin and make Trotsky the party leader.
When Lenin was doing that, Stalin was already holding the bulk of real power and carefully balanced the opposing groups to account for the rest - untill he made them weaken and defeat each other.
Whatever Stalin was, Trotsky would have been worse. His version of military communism, labor armies, permanent revolution, etc. made Stalin's actions look mild.
Same goes for Bukharin and company.
There were no good people among bolshevic's elite, not a single one. All were either power-mad idealists or common criminals.
Chairboy: ...he had advisors urgently warning him about german forces...
Ripsnort: Distrusted his own people, but trusted other countries Gov'ts.
So either he was incredibly stupid or the way it is explained was not what really hapenned.
Wake up, guys - the history did not end. We are still living it. When you hear anything about past history, whatever you hear may still contain lies - especially if you are told what you like to hear.
miko
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Originally posted by boxboy28
Anyone notice how much Stalin Looks like Saddam? seriously!
Thats because Stalin was not Russian. He's Georgian, in the south near Turkey, Chechnya, Iraq. etc.
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I have to agree with Miko, Stalin was a brilliant "politician". Stupid people don't ascend to that level of human treachery.