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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Curval on October 06, 2003, 12:02:44 PM
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Texas vs Kansas City.
A BBQ knock down drag 'em out contest.
So far though, without so much as a match being struck, Kansas City has a HUGE lead over Texas. The reason...no entries in sight.
You see, I put up a challenge a few weeks ago in which I would accept recipies and cooking instructions for the best of both regions...I know, I know...Kansas City is in Missouri and Texas is in..well Texas...BUT
My good friends Toad and Rude actually put in a tremendous effort and I suspect that all my home-grown rubs and sauces will be on their way via Federal Express in a day or two (I e-mailed the Fed Ex account number today Toad.) You see...they went and bought a whole bunch of stuff for me to use, sample and determine which I thought would be best. They even got me a book on how to best smoke the meat...and Toad even offered to buy the smoker for me, but shipping was going to be ludicrous.
In turn I promised to mail them a draft.
They are a trusting sort in KC apparently...but good judges of character.
Now Texas...up to you guys.
I have actually sampled Texas ribs..and quite honestly they were awesome. But, the locals who attended the feast claimed that the ones I had were mediocre at best. But, that is gonna be the only basis upon which I can judge Texas BBQ...I won't have anything else to go on.
So, unless one of you good ol boys steps up and is willing to Fed-Ex me some local sauces and rubs, it seems that KC has a distinct advantage at this stage.
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"Bring it on!"
Writing down what Texas don't know about BBQ would cover the whole state in pica type. Single spaced.
;)
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We don't give out our recipes-you gotta come visit.
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I've only eaten at restaurants specializing in BBQ food in both states, so its hard for me to judge strictly by limiting the test to that alone...however, I have come to the conclusion that KC beef kicks butt on Nebraska Corn-fed beef by a long shot. During our 2 week vacation thru the heart land of America, we had many chances to eat both states' beef. KC strips kick ***.
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Originally posted by Toad
"Bring it on!"
Writing down what Texas don't know about BBQ would cover the whole state in pica type. Single spaced.
;)
Quite right. Too many transplants here.
Now, home-grown Texans are another story. First problem you yanks have is not knowing what good beef is. I'd list the rest of the things you need to know, but I don't want to overload your limited grasps of the art of BBQ'ing.
Also,..true BBQ chefs never, ever, give out thier recipes. The food, yes, but never the recipes. Don't worry though, it is a common rookie mistake. :)
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What the hell! You have to come to Cali for to the REAL DEAL!
Nice gas Grill!
Some nice Bullseye!
Some nice boiled Ribs....
The add the bullseye and wrap in tin foil. Grill tell hot and serve!
YUMMY!!:D
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Oh dear...it appears that Texas is content to sit on their "laurels" and suggest that good BBQ chefs don't give out recipes.
How sad...how very, very sad.
The rubs and sauces that are coming from KC are (with one exception) all local buy only. I'm not asking for Grandaddy's old recipe, just some sauces from old Tex...ones you can only buy there.
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Texans KNOW they can't stand up to the California Bullseye ribs!
Kansas has its delusians! They may be better then store bought Loyds ribs, but prolly not much!
:D
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
First problem you yanks have is not knowing what good beef is.
Skuzzy, with all due respect, I consider calling someone a "Yank" equivelent of calling a Japanese a "Jap". Please refrain from using that term as it was originally intended to be derogatory by the British. Use the term "Northerners" or something more suitable.
Oh, and Texas beef (that I've tried) was much tougher than KC or Nebraska beef. Try a KC strip medium rare with alittle salt...and you'll see what I mean.
WA State beef sucks. I'm spoiled by my midwest upbringing.
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Sorry GTO, but I'm from CA and I'd rather eat BBQ in either Texas or KC. Some of the best I've ever had was a little hole in the wall in Amarillo. (Cousin was a Red Raider). Looking forward to my KC visit.
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Damnit MT!! You messing with my line!!!
SHHHHHHH!!
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Is it OK to use "Damned Yankees", Rip?
OK, Curval, I will fix you up, brb.
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Good man Gadfly.
Now we got us a BBQ contest.
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This is the best, bar none, but I would guess a lot has to do with the meat you put it on:
Get the Gift Pak, with the Dry rub, reg. Sauce, and Laurens Habenaro(it isn't very hot).
Salt Lick BBQ (http://www.saltlickbbq.net/)
This is also very good stuff, get the regular BBQ sauce.
Rudy's BBQ (http://www.rudys.com/index.html)
This one is great for Pork Chops, the ones they serve are 3-4 inches thick. You just point out what hunk of beef you want from the huge pits as you enter.
Coopers BBQ (http://www.coopersbbq.com/home.asp)
Those are the 3 best in Central Texas, Bar none(Well, Hot guts from Elgin are good, too, but their other BBQ is only so-so).
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Ahhh,..the store bought fixins. Different story.
Hey Rip, I was just yankin (no pun intended) Toad's chain. Notice I did not capitalize it (as you did)? That would have made it a proper noun (as you have shown). Then you should jump on me. Well,..figuratively speaking. :D
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Texas BBQ Pwn5
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Ahhh,..the store bought fixins. Different story.
Hey Rip, I was just yankin (no pun intended) Toad's chain. Notice I did not capitalize it (as you did)? That would have made it a proper noun (as you have shown). Then you should jump on me. Well,..figuratively speaking. :D
Oh, okay, then I'll just make sure I'll use small letters when typing "jap" as in "jap airplanes" :D
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
What the hell! You have to come to Cali for to the REAL DEAL!
Nice gas Grill!
Some nice Bullseye!
Some nice boiled Ribs....
The add the bullseye and wrap in tin foil. Grill tell hot and serve!
YUMMY!!:D
Gas Grill? Boiled Ribs?
Please don't take this personally, but ARE YOU FREAKIN NUTS? Those are Capitol Offenses in the Republic of Texas.
Curval, it would be very difficult to duplicate Texas BBQ in Bermuda. Simply sending the ingredients for the rub and sauce would not work...unless Bermuda has native Mesquite trees. One of the biggest factors in making Texas BBQ is fresh cut green mesquite wood added to the firebox of the smoker.
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It always make me smile when i read this threads, for the best meat (clothed or not) always look south. way south.
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Well, there ya go Curval!
I knew if I tossed some gasoline and match a Texan or two would catch fire.
Texas does have some good BBQ and a lot of variety; been there, eaten there, enjoyed it much. For example, you'd never find BBQ cabrito in KC, but done right it is simply excellent. (OTOH many Texans think beef is the ONLY meat, thus passing up pork Baby Back ribs; that right there is proof of insanity! ;))
Still, I'll stand by KC as THE pinnacle of BBQ greatness.
Now, I'm off to FedEx with yer goodies.
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IMHO Ribs and BBQ should be pork.
Memphis ribs were the best I ever ate.
Drftr
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Some of the best barbeque I've EVER had was from Texas. Place called Cattleman's about 40 miles east of El Paso.
I would go to El Paso just to be able to go to Cattlemans.
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Originally posted by rpm371
Curval, it would be very difficult to duplicate Texas BBQ in Bermuda. Simply sending the ingredients for the rub and sauce would not work...unless Bermuda has native Mesquite trees. One of the biggest factors in making Texas BBQ is fresh cut green mesquite wood added to the firebox of the smoker.
Actually the issue of additives into the smoker has been raised and a list of them provided...even ranked as to the type of flavour produced and difficulty in obtaining.
These guys are looking after me. They are not messing about. There like...a...ummm....rhinoceros dude, and you don't wanna mess with a rhinoceros...he'll frigging charge your ***.
:D
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Originally posted by Drifter1234
IMHO Ribs and BBQ should be pork.
Memphis ribs were the best I ever ate.
Drftr
Had ribs at the Rendezvous and at Corky's in Memphis. Supposed to be the "good" spots, I think.
Rendezvous tasted like they used Shake and Bake BBQ coating. Blech.
Corky's was better by far than Rendezvous, but probably wouldn't place in the top five in KC... maybe not in the top ten.
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Was thinking about this today:
true BBQ chefs never, ever, give out thier recipes.
Up here, the "competition crowd" don't give out their recipes. But they're the folks that travel all summer going to BBQ cook offs. They have a reason to hold the cards close.
The "everyday" BBQ folks... your neighbors and people you meet tailgating at a Chief's game... will almost always tell you how they did it, sometimes in painful detail ;), so that you can make it yourself. And I'll tell ya, the average smokers up here make some fine, fine bbq.
Must be different in Texas though.
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Kansas City is a state?
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The state of misery,
I lived in KC for 8 or 9 years and hated most of it (mostly the 4 seasons- too damn cold, too damn wet, too damn hot, and too damn windy). That and they haven’t learned the west coast trick of keeping your snow on the mountain and visiting it when your schedule allows, they drop it all over town and drive through it.
As much as I hated living there, they still have a couple things perfected
1. BBQ
2. Anything made with beef, KC has the best beef , the only thing that even comes close is Omaha, I’ve been living on west coast beef for 16 yr. and I can tell you it sux.
3. Just about any kind of cooking, the best meals I’ve ever eaten have either been made in Missouri or made by someone from Missouri (the wife)
4. Service in a restaurant, when you go to a restaurant there you are treated to fast quality service, smiling faces and good food, reasonably priced. compared to Oregon where you’ll pay twice as much for food half as good, brought to your table by a girl that is pissed that she had to get off the phone to serve you, after letting your food sit in the window for 20 minutes.
Their only failing, food wise is Asian food- Chinese, Japanese, Thai, Mongolian, 9 years and I never found one that didn’t taste like it came from the stir-fry mix in the frozen food section.
I’ve had Texas BBQ quite a few times, and it’s pretty damn good, better than all but one restaurant we have around here, but it’s no-where near as good as KC, I can beat Texas BBQ in the smoker out back.
btw- curval, nice set up for some getting yourself some free BBQ, WTG, :D
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Things have changed a bit in the last 8-9 years. The Asian food department is picking up. There's very good Mongolian about 2 miles from this computer, two or three good Japanese teppan/sushi places within 5, many good Chinese restaurants all over the place but I haven't found a really good Thai place yet.
Mexican fare has also picked up, especially in the Southwest Blvd area. It was poor for quite a while but we've had an influx of "guest" workers and it's really improved.
And the bird hunting in Kansas usually ranks in the top three in the nation.
So....... suits me. :D
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Sorry GTO, but I'm from CA and I'd rather eat BBQ in either Texas or KC. Some of the best I've ever had was a little hole in the wall in Amarillo. (Cousin was a Red Raider). Looking forward to my KC visit.
If you come to KC, Toad and I will host the visit....if you have time, we can hit a couple of Republican rallies...you'll have a great time:D
Seriously, if you make it this way, know that you have a place to stay and good company as well....would like to meet you someday.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Texans KNOW they can't stand up to the California Bullseye ribs!
Kansas has its delusians! They may be better then store bought Loyds ribs, but prolly not much!
:D
Silly rookie:)
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Originally posted by Gadfly
This is the best, bar none, but I would guess a lot has to do with the meat you put it on:
Get the Gift Pak, with the Dry rub, reg. Sauce, and Laurens Habenaro(it isn't very hot).
Salt Lick BBQ (http://www.saltlickbbq.net/)
This is also very good stuff, get the regular BBQ sauce.
Rudy's BBQ (http://www.rudys.com/index.html)
This one is great for Pork Chops, the ones they serve are 3-4 inches thick. You just point out what hunk of beef you want from the huge pits as you enter.
Coopers BBQ (http://www.coopersbbq.com/home.asp)
Those are the 3 best in Central Texas, Bar none(Well, Hot guts from Elgin are good, too, but their other BBQ is only so-so).
Now I've lived in Texas, Austin specific.....Rudy's was my hangout for good BBQ....really the only place I ate at which even came close to KC quality and taste.
Still, it lacked the flavor and substance of KC style BBQ...I think the most fair assessment is that Texas BBQ is not better or worse, just different.
I do miss Rudy's tho....an old Gas station coverted to a BBQ joint and yes, you can still fill her up...the pumps work:)
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Originally posted by Toad
Things have changed a bit in the last 8-9 years. The Asian food department is picking up. There's very good Mongolian about 2 miles from this computer, two or three good Japanese teppan/sushi places within 5, many good Chinese restaurants all over the place but I haven't found a really good Thai place yet.
Mexican fare has also picked up, especially in the Southwest Blvd area. It was poor for quite a while but we've had an influx of "guest" workers and it's really improved.
And the bird hunting in Kansas usually ranks in the top three in the nation.
So....... suits me. :D
You want Thai? I've got Thai at Stanley Square...their my tenant:)
Lunch this week?
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Hey Curv....of all the sauces comin your way...the Gates is my favorite...you'll break a nice sweat on the top of your head:)
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Originally posted by Rude
If you come to KC, Toad and I will host the visit....if you have time, we can hit a couple of Republican rallies...you'll have a great time:D
Seriously, if you make it this way, know that you have a place to stay and good company as well....would like to meet you someday.
I am on a national committee establishing codes and standards for recreational vehicles (boy does that sound republican!). Our next meeting will be in KC in April. Looking forward to (as Toad put it) the BBQ crawl. :)
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MT, do you know where the meeting will be held?
We can easily select the closest crawl from that.
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Not yet, they seem to prefer Marriotts and Hyatts though.
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Toad and I have had this conversation a couple times now, about a good BBQ crawl,,,
and we have the good local brewery beer to go with it.
http://www.blvdbeer.com/
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Unfortunately Curval, you'll have to miss out on the pinnacle of BBQ - the McRib (http://nessart.8m.com/mcrib.htm). The recipe is top secret (and probably difficult to produce lacking a cold-war ear Soviet manufacturing plant), so you'll have to wait until it comes to a McDonalds near you.
It's basically a very special rib-appearing sandwich with the bones mysteriously removed from the meat (perhaps pork, maybe beef, could be something in between) through a secret process. It is slathered in a red sauce giving it a flavor that is fully BBQ-like. When combined with one of the late, great Shamrock Shakes, it produces a flavor explosion that cannot be compared to anything else on the planet. It even inspired a famous Simpsons episode that gave a brief glimpse at the manufacturing process.
Charon
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(http://www.geocities.co.jp/Hollywood-Miyuki/2850/omurami/kkairou3-01.jpg)
Chairman Curval, you forgot about Florida!
http://www.sugarboo.com
Excellent for game day tailgating.
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I ordered a Chicken Fried Steak in KC once...ONCE. They served up some battered mystery meat patty covered in BROWN gravy with mashed potatoes. It became painfully clear that they had NO idea how to cook in KC.:rofl
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maybe you should have tried real food. chicken-frying anything but chicken is just wrong.
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Sorry Gofaster...I didn't consider Florida.
The whole thing started after I raved about Texas BBQ. Then Toad suggested I try KC BBQ.
It went from there.
Charon...I have actually tried the McRib sandwich when in the States. YUCK!
Creamo...I think you FDBs are "hard of reading". I had already noted that KC is not a state and that Texas is...right in my first post. Must've been a little long for ya...I'll try and cut down on the length of my posts for your benefit.
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Originally posted by rpm371
I ordered a Chicken Fried Steak in KC once...ONCE.
Obviously, it wasn't Jess & Jim's or Stroud's.
We can't help ya if you're going to eat at some Phillips 66 Truck Stop as ya blow through town.
Every city/state has poor restaurants.. go ahead and say only Texas doesn't.
:D
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
maybe you should have tried real food. chicken-frying anything but chicken is just wrong.
Chicken-fried veal or thin steak with gravy, mashed potatoes, corn, and biscuits is one of the few sins I indulge in. Done right, its the meal of the gods.
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Okay...well, the Fed-Ex arrived this morning.
I've got me enough KC BBQ supplies to last a LONG time. ;)
I pick up the smoker on my trip to Boston on Oct 15th, but I will definately sample some of these prior to returning from Beantown.
I'm salivating as I write this.
Thanks again Toad...and Rude.
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one of the main ingredients to KC BBQ is KC beef. did they send you some of those vacuum packed beef packets from the golden ox mail order?
btw- I really like this idea you got going, maybe when you are done I could judge the kung pow chicken wars and get guys to send me food. :p :D
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Capt.,
No beef sent over unfortunately...probably be an issue with customs anyway.
You seem to be under the impression that Toad and Rude are supplying me all of this stuff for free. Not so. I am sending Toad (he forked out the cash) a draft because paypal doesn't recognise Bermuda as a country for some reason.
BUT...they didn't charge me for their time.
I sat and read some of the book they sent me and my stomach started to growl so much I had to get up and go for lunch in a hurry.
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You seem to be under the impression that Toad and Rude are supplying me all of this stuff for free. Not so. I am sending Toad (he forked out the cash) a draft because paypal doesn't recognise Bermuda as a country for some reason.
awww, wish you hadn't told me that, I was enjoying this thread much more when I was mis-informed. :(
I feel let down, I was begining to think you where on to one of the greatest scams of all time.:p
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OK, I met a fellow today who is from KC, but has lived for the last 8 years in Texas(thus not meeting the 10 year rule to be a probationary Texan). I put the question to him, straight up: Is KC BBQ better or is Texas BBQ better.
I will agree 100% with his answer.
Says he, "KC beef is by far the best, but the actual end product(BBQ) is better in Texas." He also claimed the Salt Lick as Numero Uno.
edit-this brings up a good point, BTW. BBQ was not invented to make great meat better, it was developed to make crap meat eatable. Skirt steak, AKA Fajitas, used to sell for about what the package cost. Brisket is a crap pc of meat as well. Anyone that would BBQ a NY strip or a sirloin should be shot, on the spot.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Quite right. Too many transplants here.
Damn right. Know the difference between a yankee and a damn yankee? The yankee went home.
No offense Rip :p
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Curval, this is not a Texas BBQ sauce, but it is probably the best basting BBQ I have ever used:
Jack Miller BBQ Sauce (http://www.cajungrocer.com/ekart/catalog.asp?action=displayCategory&cid=51)
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IMO Ft. Worth has the best BBQ anywhere around here. :D We are "Where the West Begins"m donchaknow? :D
And Pendry's has all sorts or rubs, sauces, spices, chilies, peppers, chili powders, broths, tenderizers, seasonings, salts, and funky chili pepper Chrisatmas lights...all at low prices. My dad's one of the best cooks out there...and he can make chili that'll blow your socks off. :D
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Have you ever been to Oscar's? It was on Long Ave and had the plane crashed into the roof. It closed about 10 years ago when Oscar Thurmun died. THAT was the greatest BBQ on Earth. I remember going there back in the 60's when it still had the sawdust floors. You could order 2 sizes of draft beer...Small (24oz) or Regular (48oz) and they came in frozen goblets the size of a fishbowl. Angelo's on White Settlement isn't bad either.