Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: BlckMgk on October 07, 2003, 09:27:51 AM
-
Well just recently turned 21, and I've been wanting own my own handgun since I fired my first gun at 10 and the last one I shot till yesterday. I didn't even remeber how it felt, but wow is all i got to say. We went to the local gun range, signed a few papers, paid for a rental, eye and ear protection, bought an Osama Bin Laden target, plus a box of 100 rounds.
Gun I shot was the H & K .45, first round I clipped off, suprised me a bit and got the heart racing. The guy 2 lanes down was shooting his M4 (or looked like it) and a Glock 17 that thing would rattle off so many rounds, he was suprisingly accurate with it.
So yes ... now I want to own my own gun again, its not going to be used for self defense, but mainly for target shooting, was thinking maybe a 9mm, or a .380. (Don't know if I like .22's)
My question to those on these boards, whats an accurate gun, with realtively low priced ammunition that I can start to look into. Most the advice I've gotten is just to stick to major brands and you should be ok as far as reliability in a gun. They also suggest the gun you get depends on the shooter.
Any stories are welcome, advice, sales of, or anything related to guns. (Well maybe not anything, please politics not welcome :D )
-BM
-
You'll put your eye out.
-
Yeah becareful RA, while typing so much those keys from the keyboard my fly off and nail ya in the eye!
Hehe j/k, but if it did hit me in the eye I think my eye being out would be the least of my problems... the gappin hole in the back of my head maybe... still not a problem though, cause I really wouldn't care at that point.
-BM
-
I like Sig for pistols chambered in 9mm.
1911's are my tried and true, but ammunition is expensive if youre just plinking.
-
I love .22 pistols. There are some extremely good ones at prices that don't break the bank and it's the cheapest ammo out there.
I have a Glock 9mm but it doesn't give the "bang" that I want from a "big bore"; at least the ammo is reasonable.
Now a .45.... Yeah Baby! But the good ones will set you back a bundle and the ammo isn't as cheap as .22 or even 9mm.
But... it all comes down to what you want and what you're willing to pay to get it, doesn't it?
-
damm, ra , i was gona say that
-
First off, I don't know how much experience you've had with guns. Therefore, I tell all new shooters to take a safety course. When I went for my CCW, it was required that I take a safety course. Now I'd been shooting for almost 20 years by that time, but you can never learn too many safe habits with guns.
That being said, for a first time owner, I would have to say the Glock in 9mm. They are simple, cheaper, 9mm is relatively inexpensive and they are usually very accurate out of the box.
Sigs are quality weapons, as are CZ's for the 9mm crowd. I've heard great things about Kimber .45's. I haven't shot a new Colt lately, but I haven't had bad luck with them in the past (I own two, a Series 70 Gov't Model and an Officer's Model, both of which I love).
-
1) Get a small safe to lock up your weapon to protect you legally in case someone breaks into your house and steals your gun. They might shoot someone else and that family of the victim sues you.
2) Choose a .22 unless you're an expert shot already. Learning to shoot well with a handgun takes practice, practice, and more practice. The low recoil of the .22 will make shooting enjoyable, plus keep you from developing bad shooting habits.
Really cheap ammo means more shooting time for the dollar.
3) After you've become a good shot, then choose the handgun of choice. It's a really personal choice that you and only you can decide what you really like how something shoots. Try all your choices out before you buy. My personal fav is a good 1911 type modified. Best trigger. Close second are the Sig series (I own a SigSauer P220-45). Awesome combo of accuracy and reliability right out of the box. If you're planning it as a defensive household weapon, DON'T FORGET TO GET TRIRIUM NIGHT SIGHTS!!! Can't stress that too strongly.
If you haven't, please take a firearms safety course first by a qualified NRA instructor. May save you from doing something stupid.
-
I bough a Taurus PT-92 C for exactly the same reasons. The 92c is a Beretta knockoff made in Brazil with a compact frame, and a fine weapon for the price. Mine had the pre ban 13 rnd clip (wich you can still find on the Web). Cheap to buy, cheap to shoot but not a "cheap" pistol.
1911 is the best (IMO), but it does cost to shoot it. I recently inherited a Colt trooper 357, Taurus 357 and Taurus 32 which I have yet to shoot, maybe next weekend :). I may sell the chromed Trooper (it's just too big and gaudy :)) to get some cash (but only some) for a good Colt 1911, which just feels like a pistol should feel in the palm of your hand.
Charon
-
Buy a pistol that has a .22 conversion kit.
miko
-
LOL Taurus better run fast.. the barrel fell off mine after it ejected a round :eek: I stood there looking at the gun in my hand with the barrel sitting on the floor about 4 feet infront of me. The guy in the next stall leaned over to check if I was okay because there was no loud bang. I was just standing there laughing.
I promtly turned it back into the shop and bought my Colt. I now have a Kimber .40 cal. and love the thing.
-
Speaking of pre-ban clips...
Where on the web can i find a clip for a 10/22 Ruger? My 20 round banana clip cracked and broke...the 10 rounder just sucks.
I *hear* they can be had but no idea where...
-
Hey Lepaul, move up here to Canada, I've got 250 25 rounders and 100 50 rounders on my shelf right now.
If it wasn't "gasp" against the International Treaty for Arms Reduction, (yes stop laughing), I'd send you some down from up here, they'ld be cheap as hell with your exchange rate.
As for the topic, IMO it's just plain WRONG to not have a Ruger MkII .22 pistol as your first handgun. In fact, I hear some states have a rule in effect which covers this. :lol
Miko's advice is swell too, grab yourself a decent 9mm pistol with the .22 conversion kit if you can afford to do so.
Also, the other advice regarding training = probably the best thing said here. No matter your level of shooting, there is a thousand guys out there that'll teach you something.
-
Just do not try shooting .22 in you room/basement. I shot couple of rounds into a still trap and examined the effects. The trap, works perfectly but the led is literally pulverised into the finest dust. You will get led poisning in no time.
I saw .22 conversion kits sold for 1911.
miko
-
Remember, a gun is a tool.
You can use it to :Open beers/cokes, turn off the television, stop birds from singing, stop cats from mating, to open a window, and to turn off your computer.
-
LOL Taurus better run fast.. the barrel fell off mine after it ejected a round I stood there looking at the gun in my hand with the barrel sitting on the floor about 4 feet infront of me. The guy in the next stall leaned over to check if I was okay because there was no loud bang. I was just standing there laughing.
You must have had a lemon. Mine's been trouble free and the company generally has a good reputation for quality.
Charon
-
The bigger the better.
-
A while back I had to take a "class" to get my CCW permit.
The instructor had this format for choosing a gun.
1) quality
2) comfort
3) calibur (bigger is better)
4) ease of concealment
As several people have mentioned though, if you're just starting out a .22 will be the least expensive way to learn. I'd also recommend finding a shooting class where you can try out several different types before buying. A decent handgun is an investment and doesn't come cheap.
A good class will also cover all your safety issues (can't be stressed enough), and should cover more mundane things like care and cleaning. If you don't know of a class offhand, check with local gunsmith shops or maybe even a college.
-
I have a ruger .22 pistol. A .38 super colt GI model. A 1911 .45 Colt. I love them all. Think the next one i get will be a thompson conttender. :)
-
Thank you guys, very much appreciated. Some gun considerations I haven't even thought of.
Currently on my lists, is a S&W .40, which felt very comfortable in my hand, another S&W 9mm which is being sold at a "sale" price, because S&W is trying to knock Taurus out of the market, It's almost like a Glock, with maybe 1 extra piece, and the trigger spring is exposed Priced at $289.
And today the thing that suprised me the most was the .22's ammo 300 rounds for $10, but yes yes, Ammo shoots differently. The dealer I went to, showed me the .17 rifles saying that they're extreamly accurate, If i just wanted to plink some off.
Oh and WOW! I got to hold the 30 freakin pound m82 50 cal rifle. JEBUS! Ultimate in home defense haha let the robber get ohhhh 2 miles away, haha then knock one off " KA - BLAM!" haha ....
Anyways thanks again for the info.
-
The S&W are good weapons. They're price is down because they are also trying to get customers back. A few years ago, whent they were owned by a European country, they joined Clinton/Reno in some gun-control type of legislation. As a result, they were boycotted and their sales fell so hard it was sold to a company based here in Phoenix. The Phoenix owners have not followed the agreement (which was never really followed in the first place) and are trying to regain their market share.
I would wait on the .17's. It's a brand new factory offering that may or may not take. Much like the WSSM's and SAUM's, it remains to be seen if the consumers will buy enough of them to make factory ammo widely availible. If that doesn't happen, you'll end up with an expensive shooter. If you want a plinking rifle, buy a .22.
-
Yer all brass case wienes......
I have a custom made .68 Black powder Revolver and use Pyrodex powder and Home cast Minne Balls it has a spare cylinder for quick reloads too, 50 to 75 grains of powder does just fine for target plinking too
Gunns
-
Desert Eagle 50ae. Nice gun for newbie.. :lol
http://www.zvis.com/dep/depimgtmpl.shtml?/images/guns/depactn1.jpg
-
Ok... here is an alternative. My son gave me a tanfoglio "witness". This is a copy of the CZ75 pistol and it is a decent firearm... not as well finished as my Kimber or my revolvers but decent... people win matches with em...
Now... this gun disassmbles into the two main groups... frame and slide in seconds... Mine is a compensated .45 for instance.. easy to clean but... best of all... you can buy a slide/barrel goup magazine in .22 and in seconds the .45 is a very accurate and cheap to shoot .22 that weighs about the same as the .45 and feels the same and has it's own sights.
1911 style guns have conversion kits too but they are expensive and hard to install/uninstall.... Glock is also a good choice if conversion is needed or desired.
Otherwise... get a good smith revolver in .22 and another in .357
lazs
-
Ruger Mk II (or newer) .22 pistol... preferably with a 6" bull barrel. There aren't many better guns for teaching you the neuances of the handgun trigger pull. Later... move up to a "double action" of some kind. A revolver or an auto... oppinions are definately mixed as far as which is better at what. But, a .22 is one of the best rounds for learning the basics of firing weapons for accuracy.
MiniD
-
yep deja... but the step up to a full sized revolver or auto after a ruger 22 is sometimes daunting. I would rather go with a 22 that felt like the big bore I was shooting.
This from someone who put about 1,000,000 rounds through a High Standard Sport King from the ages of 9 till present. That High Standard shoots sweet but it doesn't have the feel of any full size gun.
The witness is pretty cool in 22 conversion form.. it has the same feel (it's the same gun after all), it functions the same with double action and expossed hammer. It is very accurate as the 22 converion is straight blowback with no link.
I used to have a smith K22 masterpiece and a model 19 357.. that was a neat duo too.
lazs
-
Originally posted by lazs2
... This is a copy of the CZ75 pistol and it is a decent firearm... not as well finished as my Kimber or my revolvers but decent... people win matches with em...
I've only fired handguns in the military (.45 and .38), and never fired a CZ, but I've heard good things about CZ pistols. What is the your, and the forum's opinion of CZ?
-
Not nearly 1 million rounds in a High Standard, but at least 10,000. We used to hop back and forth between the High Standard and Colt .45 match on a regular basis. Nobody really bothered with the Barettas much.
I do like the Ruger Bull barrels much better than the high standard. Much better feel overall. And... once again... it's all about trigger pull. Both guns (Ruger and Browning) are one of the better ways to learn it.
Don't know much of the revolvers .22s since I haven't fired them. But going from the ruger mk 2 to a .44 or .45 was never a problem. The basics are the same... the only real issue is learning not to fear the kick. But... one lesson at a time.
MiniD
-
Originally posted by Jack55
I've only fired handguns in the military (.45 and .38), and never fired a CZ, but I've heard good things about CZ pistols. What is the your, and the forum's opinion of CZ?
I carry a CZ75 BD at work, nice weapon and easy to shoot.
No safety a very good defense weapon.
They also have a .22 conversion for the 75.
Cheap too.
-
If your looking for pre-ban clips (which are quite legal to own and purchase btw) here is a good website that I've bought from before. They also have good deals on ammo and military surplus stuff.
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com
-
Last weekend I was at Kimber's National sales office in Montana, they let it be known that they have a single stack 9mm pistol coming out in the 1911 frame gun. Something like that with the .22 conversion kit would be a pretty dope first gun as well.
-
Originally posted by Jack55
I've only fired handguns in the military (.45 and .38), and never fired a CZ, but I've heard good things about CZ pistols. What is the your, and the forum's opinion of CZ?
Of all the 9mm's I've shot (and that's a quite a few), the CZ 75 is my favorite.
-
Take a safety course and practice alot!
And remember accidents dont happend!
Someone is always to blame.
And you can never call that bullett back never.
And this last piece of advice may sound odd but here goes.
If at any time you are in a bad way and are depressed Please take the gun to a friends house and tell them not to let you have it back untill your life is back on track.
I have lost to many people to suicide that gave NO warning signes.
Hate to be a downer but gun ownership Is a HUGE responsabilty.
Treat it as such
:)
-
Black Magic just a personal opinion but the Browning Buckmark is an excellent small caliber pistol (22 cal.). It has excellent feel no matter what size hand you have and outstanding accuracy. If you are getting started in handgunning a small cal. weapon is better for you trying to get used to shooting. i.e. less recoil, cheaper ammo and not quite as tiring as having to really hold onto a large bore weapon. The smaller round will not intimidate you like a large bore will, and your accuracy will improve greatly. In other words you will not flinch before firing the round anticipating the recoil.
Just .02 worth hope it helps you out.
Robert
-
I like the cz75/witness ok but it isn't even close to the fit and finish of my Kimber or.. the accuracy. It can't be really.. there is no barrel bushing. This makes it simple but crude. When it wears the accuracy drops off and that's all. I shoot it mostly with the 22 conversion now.
My hands are large but if your hands aren't you should not consider double stack magazine guns. Revolvers are no problem as any number of grips are available.
lazs
-
MrBlack, unfortunately I've had a dear friend do just that, it is one of the thoughts that comes to haunt me before purchasing a gun. He seemed a very sane fella, always down to earth, one day he just did himself in with his dads gun, no warnings whats so ever. I really don't know what would make someone do that, but for one thing it must've been something not many can handle. I plan to have it locked up, with the ammo in a seperate location. Just so no one may have access to it easily.
SmokinSS, thanks for the advice, I did notice with the .45 I was shooting low for 50% of my shots because I was "anticipating" the kick, I noticed when it didn't fire I lunged almost enough to take a step foward. The last 100 shots or so I was shooting much better almost letting it suprise me.
It seems I'm leaning to a .22 , now to decide a pistol or revolver. Was a pain in the arse to load a mag once I got to the last 1-2 rounds. Revolver would seem a bit quicker.
______________________
Thank you everyone for the advice its really appreciated.
-BM
-
I've had a S&W 9mm (6906) for about 12 years or so. never a problem, never fails to load a round. I've fired many different brands and types of projectiles(mostly hand loads that where somewhat hot) and it's always worked great. if I had to guess I 'd say I've probably ran 7-9000 rds through it.
the glocks are fine if you are just starting out and are learning on them. most people I know who have done a lot of shooting, find them weird feeling in your hand. I think they probably have a more ergonomic (sp?) design, but if it isn't what you've trained on it feels off.
I would strongly recomend you forget any calibers between .22 and 9mm. mostly your .25's and .380's. while you can get some well built ones (if you stick to the name brands) those are the most common calibers for crappy autos. also most would consider them marginal at best as far as power, and the rounds cost as much as a 9mm. .22's will have about double the volocity of the .380 and .25, and you can buy 5 rds of .22 for the price of 1rd for the other 2. you'll pay more for a .22 than for the others but after you shoot 3-400 rds you'll be back to even on the price and saving money after that.
-
Take a class of course first. I like my Bulgarian Makarov, made by Arsenal. Gonna get a Russian one and an East German one when I get back to the states.