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Title: html help?
Post by: rabbidrabbit on October 07, 2003, 12:39:11 PM

I have well... beginner lvl html experience.. I can plod along but am a bit lacking.  Anyone have some pointers to decent web sites or otherwise that would be informative?

thanks!

Title: html help?
Post by: Raubvogel on October 07, 2003, 12:52:36 PM

http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/

Title: html help?
Post by: Westy on October 07, 2003, 12:54:13 PM

Plagerize.

Find a website that you like and one which would be akin to what you would create, if you had the "know how."  Save the websites pages to your HDD and using your html software edit the originals to suit your purpose and "look".

Title: html help?
Post by: nuchpatrick on October 07, 2003, 01:07:47 PM

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Plagerize.

Thats the lamest and uncreative way of doing things. Ontop of it just plane illegal.  Go to the book store and pick up a book called Eazy Guid to HTML I think that maybe the name of it.  

I have like a 1000 page book for Front Page 2000. Talk about reading a bore :D

Title: html help?
Post by: Mickey1992 on October 07, 2003, 02:14:37 PM

http://www.w3schools.com/

I refer to it frequently.

Title: html help?
Post by: drone on October 07, 2003, 02:20:53 PM

better yet---HTML for dummys--it also includes a CD with several different types of  HTML writing programs, from drag and drop to basic and advanced scripting.........

Title: html help?
Post by: Westy on October 07, 2003, 02:37:04 PM

"Thats the lamest and uncreative way "


 Pardonnez moi!!

 Allow me to rephrase that.....


 Juyst borrow a web page layout that you like but add a nice, personal note like, "Special thanks to for the inspiration!!" at the bottom of the homepage.  In font size 1 so it doesn't give them a big head or anything.

Title: html help?
Post by: Sandman on October 07, 2003, 02:49:51 PM

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Originally posted by nuchpatrick
Thats the lamest and uncreative way of doing things. Ontop of it just plane illegal.  Go to the book store and pick up a book called Eazy Guid to HTML I think that maybe the name of it.  

I have like a 1000 page book for Front Page 2000. Talk about reading a bore :D

Illegal? I don't believe so. Web design isn't something that's been subject to copyright. Web content is, but if you want to make a site that has the same layout, look, and feel as another, I doubt that you'll hear any grief at all.

Perfect example is Amazon. You'll find many retail sites that look almost exactly the same. They differ in content only.

You can gain a lot by looking at the source code for other sites. Creativity can come later.

http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/
http://www.eskimo.com/~bloo/indexdot/html/index.html
http://www.webreference.com/html/index.html

These are good books to cut your teeth on:
http://beta.peachpit.com/vqs/69696/welcome.html
http://www.webbedenvironments.com/dhtml/

Title: html help?
Post by: Mickey1992 on October 07, 2003, 03:45:52 PM

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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Illegal? I don't believe so. Web design isn't something that's been subject to copyright.

You're kidding right?  Web designs (the graphical art, the layout,  and the HTML) are very much subject to copyright laws, just like computer programs (which are considered compilations).

Do a Google search on "web design copyright infringement".

Title: html help?
Post by: Sandman on October 07, 2003, 04:21:40 PM

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Originally posted by Mickey1992
You're kidding right?  Web designs (the graphical art, the layout,  and the HTML) are very much subject to copyright laws, just like computer programs (which are considered compilations).

Do a Google search on "web design copyright infringement".

Certainly, you can't simply cut and paste the html or script information and it goes without saying that it's not okay to grab images from other sites.

What I mean by "design" is simply the layout and the way that data and or the GUI is presented. No one really owns a copyright on this sort of thing. For example, a company can't claim copyright for menus along the left edge using gray buttons that change color.

If you think you're stepping on someone's toes, ask.

Title: Re: html help?
Post by: eskimo2 on October 07, 2003, 05:30:39 PM

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Originally posted by rabbidrabbit
I have well... beginner lvl html experience.. I can plod along but am a bit lacking.  Anyone have some pointers to decent web sites or otherwise that would be informative?

thanks!

What are you trying to do?

And why do you want to do it in html?

eskimo

Title: html help?
Post by: B17Skull12 on October 07, 2003, 05:38:26 PM

im intermdiate lvl html guy. stuff isn't that hard until you get to advance java (headace)

Title: html help?
Post by: Mickey1992 on October 07, 2003, 06:24:55 PM

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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
What I mean by "design" is simply the layout and the way that data and or the GUI is presented. No one really owns a copyright on this sort of thing. For example, a company can't claim copyright for menus along the left edge using gray buttons that change color.

I get what you are saying now.  Of course, Amazon.com did prove us wrong with their patent. :mad:

Title: html help?
Post by: Sandman on October 07, 2003, 08:13:41 PM

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Originally posted by Mickey1992
I get what you are saying now.  Of course, Amazon.com did prove us wrong with their patent. :mad:

Oh yeah... that One-Click shopping crap...

Title: Re: Re: html help?
Post by: rabbidrabbit on October 08, 2003, 06:01:24 PM

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Originally posted by eskimo2
What are you trying to do?

And why do you want to do it in html?

eskimo

Bought my domain name  and wanted to do something decent for a web site.   I'm not an idiot and would like to get my skill level up with html.  So, looking for educational stuff to become more proficient.

Thanks, some good links already..>