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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: GtoRA2 on October 07, 2003, 07:04:44 PM
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Ok Davis the soon I hope to be X governer of California claims to be a Vietnam vet.
He said this recently "I have had real bullets fired at me, nothing in this recall scares me" Or something close.
I tried doing a google search to find out if he was in Vietnam, and if he was what he did? Anyone know a place to find out if he really was shot at?
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Maybe it was Kent State? :)
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Davis served in Vietnam from 1968 to 1969, returning home as a captain with a Bronze Star for meritorious service.
"I was in the combat arms, the Signal Corps," Davis said in the Larry King interview. "But my primary job was to make sure the tactical radios, we called them SGRs, worked."
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Signal Corps is NOT combat arms. Not now and not then. :rolleyes:
Signal Corps is combat support. They do get shot at occasionally (ex. laying wire in a still contested area) but contact with the enemy is not their function like the real Combat Arms.
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Originally posted by Maverick
Signal Corps is NOT combat arms. Not now and not then. :rolleyes:
My brother is still dead!!!!!!
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Isn't the Bronze star one that can be awarded for good service and not combat? Is that what "meritorious service"?
LoL is that like spending a whole year in another nation and not getting the clap?
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Isn't the Bronze star one that can be awarded for good service and not combat? Is that what "meritorious service"?
LoL is that like spending a whole year in another nation and not getting the clap?
If it's awarded for actions performed in combat it usually comes with a 'combat V for Valor'. However, just because his was for meritorious achievement (as opposed to "carrying a 'V'") does not mean he was never shot at.
Signals guys got shot at in SE Asia all the time. Not as much as a guy in an infantry unit, but they still got shot at. Think about it - they are the commo link guys for conventional units fighting an enemy using unconventional/'guerilla'/'ambush-first' tactics.
And never forget that it's guranteed that for every medal awarded there's a guy that should have been awarded 2 but no one saw what he did or whoever did see him managed to get killed before filing the paperwork.
A guy can be a brave and competent soldier and still be an prettythanghole as a person and/or a less-than-capable politician. Look at John Glenn - a great astronaut who did some pretty lame things as a politician.
Mike/wulfie
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Not to discredit ANY Vietnam Veterans, but according to (Ret) Col. David Hackworth, REMFS were passing out medals like crazy in Vietnam. Col. Hackworth says that someone even awarded him a medal while he was on leave in the U.S. from Vietnam.
Ironically, David Hackworth is the most decorated (living) U.S. soldier.
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My brother only got a flag draped coffin and a Purple Heart.
Word came on Feb. 13, 1968. It’s a day that changed our family forever.
I feel it disrespectful to make fun of anyone who earned any recognition in service of our country. Playing politics with those who serviced in the military is sleazy!
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Amen to that Ozark.
I may hate Gumby's (local radio guys call him that cause of his hair) politics but I salute his service.
and to your brother too.
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Originally posted by Ozark
My brother only got a flag draped coffin and a Purple Heart.
Word came on Feb. 13, 1968. It’s a day that changed our family forever.
I feel it disrespectful to make fun of anyone who earned any recognition in service of our country. Playing politics with those who serviced in the military is sleazy!
RGR that.
Lost people over there myself.
Sorry for your lose.
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Originally posted by Ozark
My brother only got a flag draped coffin and a Purple Heart.
Word came on Feb. 13, 1968. It’s a day that changed our family forever.
I feel it disrespectful to make fun of anyone who earned any recognition in service of our country. Playing politics with those who serviced in the military is sleazy!
He is not forgotten!!! And I can't agree with you more. I looked up to my friend Harry Cash who served with the Jolly Greens in Vietnam he was and still is my hero and a true friend to this day.
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The October 10th 2002 LA Times has a pretty detailed account of his service in Vietnam, and the effect it had on his life.
I never cared for Grey Davis, and when given the opportunity I never voted for him. But I really don't see how anyone could make an issue out of this.
-Sik
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Why is it that some of the self proclaimed patriots get all up in arms with anything negative said about military yet feel compelled to belittle the military service of those with wrong party association ? Especially our local "patriots" who never served themselves ?
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OK there people.
I am not trying to take anything away from his service to his country. I am simply curious what he did in that war.... Jeez some of you need to chill the hell out. Asking what he did is not attacking him, there is more then enough ammo out there to not like him from his Political life.
Gray is the one who brought it up in a speech I just wanted to know if it was more of his political BS.
I thing Gray is a tool, but I can respect that he served. It does not make him any more or less of a tool to me.
Ozark, I am sorry about your brother.
Sikboy
Do you have a link tot he LA times story?
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Sikboy
Do you have a link tot he LA times story?
No, I found it with a little library research, but it's on an internal database.
You compared his service with spending a year in another nation and not getting the clap (by which account the Navy owes me three of those bronze stars). It certainly seemed that you were belittling his military service.
I too think he's a piece of ****.
-Sik
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Originally posted by Ozark
My brother only got a flag draped coffin and a Purple Heart.
Word came on Feb. 13, 1968. It’s a day that changed our family forever.
I feel it disrespectful to make fun of anyone who earned any recognition in service of our country. Playing politics with those who serviced in the military is sleazy!
Ozark,
If you are interested in seeing it you can pull up your Brother's casualty report at http://www.no-quarter.org.
Normally I would not mention this but I've had people say they spent 2 hours on the computer looking up Friends that were KIA in SE Asia.
Mike/wulfie
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Well the clap thing was not aimed at davis, just a colorfull way to ask if it could be given for non combat stuff.
I can see how that could have been taken wrong.
If it was sorry.
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Who made fun of your dead brother?
I read the whole thread and couldnt find anyone making fun of your dead brother?
Please clarify......
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So, all this questioning of Mr. Davis' service record made me remember a fact that our new Governor went AWOL from the Austrian Army so he could parade around on a stage wearing his grape smugglers...
http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/special_packages/recall/6809870.htm
but then, the Austrian's accept this kind of behavior from their armed forces...shrug
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Originally posted by Ozark
My brother is still dead!!!!!!
Ozark,
No disrespect to your brother or his memory. Try to read the post again, this time for comprehension. I was not posting anything bad about a person who served honorably. I was indicating a fact. Signal Corps is NOT combat arms in the Army. Example, Infantry, Cav, Armor, artillery are Combat Arms. Their main job is to deal with the enemy. That is not the main mission of signal corps.
I am surprised that an Army vet would try to blur that distinction. In the right circumstance even clerks get shot at but they are still not Combat Arms.
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Originally posted by MrLars
So, all this questioning of Mr. Davis' service record made me remember a fact that our new Governor went AWOL from the Austrian Army so he could parade around on a stage wearing his grape smugglers...
http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/special_packages/recall/6809870.htm
but then, the Austrian's accept this kind of behavior from their armed forces...shrug
"Schwarzenegger's whole life is about Schwarzenegger," Mulholland said. "It should not surprise anybody that he was a deserter in the Austrian army."
Uh, going AWOL for a body building competition and then returning to face the music is not desertion in anyone's Army during peace time. I find Mulholland's statement to be that of a bitter and spiteful loser. I mean come on, the guy was only 18. How low will some of these guys go??? :rolleyes:
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talk about making a mountain over a mole hill. He came back and served his time in a cell.
Bob Mulholland is a scumbag.
Everytime I hear his name it is when something scummy has been done or is being done, anyone know more about him?
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
talk about making a mountain over a mole hill. He came back and served his time in a cell.
I really wasn't making anything of it, just wanted to make sure the facts are known....going AWOL in peace time to me is nothing more than a breech of contract and speaks of the offenders caracter and commitment, just as his return to face the music did...but when I was in the Army people went AWOL for much 'better' reasons than, as I said with tongue firmly planted in cheek, parading onstage in grape smugglers.
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Bob Mulholland is a scumbag.
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I googled for the facts, the authors opinion is just that, an opinion. Distasteful and false it may be, but like the anti-american tag some here have put on the current wars protesters, it's only an opinion.
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Originally posted by Maverick
Ozark,
No disrespect to your brother or his memory. Try to read the post again, this time for comprehension.
Signal Corps is NOT combat arms?
My brother was in Signal Corps in Vietnam for 3 weeks (he was 18 years old). I was 9 years old at the time of his death. The day after my brother was kill by a grenade fragment to the head, my Dad, who was 39 years old, had a massive heart attack.
I’m sorry that I lashed out like I did. It’s not my style. It just really hit me wrong.
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Originally posted by wulfie
Ozark,
If you are interested in seeing it you can pull up your Brother's casualty report at http://www.no-quarter.org.
Mike/wulfie
Thank you for that info.
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Posted for Easymo :
original post here : http://agw.warbirdsiii.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25399
Originally posted by easymo
Just for old time sake I swung by the AH O'club. I paid for my crime by getting a little pissed. There is a fellow in the Davis Vietnam thread that lost his brother in the war. The guy was in the Signal corp. Which Was put down a little. And he took offense. Please post what follows over there for this guy. I want him to know what kind of a man his brother was.
I was in the first Signal bn. In Qui Nhon.
During the summer offensive of 1968 our signal site on top of Vung Chua mountain was over run by VC. Everyone there was killed. I was a machine gunner on the reactionary force. They sent us up the next morning to guard the body police detail. And to guard the place while a new crew was set up. The night before, the fighting had gotten hand to hand. One of the guys died with an entrenching tool in his hands. And two dead gooks in the foxhole with him. There where other signs of one hell of a fight. No POW's where taken. They died to the man. They stacked the bodies up in the Chinook like cord wood.
I know they will never make movies about guys like these. Hell, the American infantryman is my hero also. But these men where also soldiers. They served in the finest tradition of the United States Army.
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Well thats the problem right there, the signalmen were using shovels instead of M16s...
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davidpt40, I casually browse the AH boards, never heard of you.
But that is one f**cked up troll. Time and place for jokes, this thread isn't one of them.
Kekule
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Browse them long enough and you will see more of the same from pt40.
He has really worked hard to make a very poor reputuation for himself.
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Originally posted by davidpt40
Well thats the problem right there, the signalmen were using shovels instead of M16s...
You can't be freakin serious!!
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Originally posted by davidpt40
Well thats the problem right there, the signalmen were using shovels instead of M16s...
And with good reason, the entrenching tool had the distinction of actually working, as long as one was able to swing it.