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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: JBA on October 07, 2003, 08:07:32 PM
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Landslide in California.
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I get very patriotic around election time....some may say "they're stealing the election" others may say "you're dissenfranchising minority voters" and more will say "This needs to happen now"
what ever your stance or party affiliation is on this, its democracy in action and every vote counts! We americans may have our differences but the vote is somthing we ALL have in common. We are a very fortunate nation to have this RIGHT. Your canidate may not win, but at least your voice was heard.
God Bless America
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With touch screen voting I think even Grunherz could handle it. :)
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
With touch screen voting I think even Grunherz could handle it. :)
LOL..
But since you brought it up I must say I'm especially proud I resited the urge to shame myself by voting in this one. Nonetheless I wish whoever wins does a good job.
Did u vote funked?
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Fugin' TWO HOUR line.
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About 10am this morning walked right in, took about 2 minutes.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
About 10am this morning walked right in, took about 2 minutes.
Did it feel good to recall Gray Davis and elect Arnold?
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We're just one million signatures away from Recall II.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
About 10am this morning walked right in, took about 2 minutes.
My regular polling place was closed. Interest is very high here since Ah-nold has made two local appearances, including a high profile visit yesterday. Here are some highlights:
-A cute, busty lass wearing a bikini was selected to be on the stage behind Arnold. She was given a shirt and told to put it on before he started speaking.
-Suspicious persons carrying backpacks or other possible means of egg-conveyance were searched by poorly disguised plainclothes officers.
-While Arnold was talking, an actual OIL SPILL had occured in the ocean behind him. The City hastily placed a firetruck and other maintence vehicles behind Arnold to block the cameras' view of all the clean-up boats.
-A cameraman from a Japanese newscrew wearing all white slipped on a wet grassy slope and got covered in mud.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
We're just one million signatures away from Recall II.
The sad thing about your comment Sandman is, this is just the beginning... more bull***** waste of tax dollars by people that no ***** about what they are signing and to vote on.
Ahh, the democratic process, or should I say the commercialistic big business and special interest process.
:rolleyes:
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I still can't believe the people in this state elected an actor...nothing but a frickin' actor...as Governor.
:rolleyes: :mad: :(
TBolt
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I still like our way. get the ballot in the mail. take a week or 2 to fill it out, then mail it in.
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:rofl
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Originally posted by F4i
I still can't believe the people in this state elected an actor...nothing but a frickin' actor...as Governor.
:rolleyes: :mad: :(
TBolt
Well... this "people" sure as hell didn't vote for him.
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Well good luck to him but he will now find out that there is no script and no Hollywood ending. The other thing to remember is that old saying. 'All political careers end in failure'.
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Elected an actor? Yeah, been there, done that. You may remember him- his initials were RR and he won the greatest war in history w/o firing a shot.
Don't know if Arnold is up to that caliber, but DAMN he's got a good precedent to follow.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
We're just one million signatures away from Recall II.
You'll never bring it off. Please try though. I'd love to see Californians so pissed at Democrats that George W is a shoo-in.
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Originally posted by Bluefish
Elected an actor? Yeah, been there, done that. You may remember him- his initials were RR and he won the greatest war in history w/o firing a shot.
Don't know if Arnold is up to that caliber, but DAMN he's got a good precedent to follow.
RR also signed the most far reaching abortion rights legislation in the Country.... 5 years before Roe vs Wade, the lib.
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Originally posted by Bluefish
Elected an actor? Yeah, been there, done that. You may remember him- his initials were RR and he won the greatest war in history w/o firing a shot.
Don't know if Arnold is up to that caliber, but DAMN he's got a good precedent to follow.
RR was a politician prior to his presidency, correct?
What has Aaah-nold done prior to his Governorship? Just made a few movies...did a few commercials on behalf of some little proposition?
I don't see how this qualifies Aaah-nold for the seat. :lol
TBolt
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Originally posted by midnight Target
RR also signed the most far reaching abortion rights legislation in the Country.... 5 years before Roe vs Wade, the lib.
and...?
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Originally posted by F4i
RR was a politician prior to his presidency, correct?
What has Aaah-nold done prior to his Governorship? Just made a few movies...did a few commercials on behalf of some little proposition?
I don't see how this qualifies Aaah-nold for the seat. :lol
TBolt
Here's just a few
1. Runs a very successfull production company
2. Has done ALOT of work with afterschool reading programs
3. Was either Ronald Reagan's or G HW Bush's head for a youth sports or somthing like that
He Won...I say give him a few months and see what he's got befor you knock him down
Arnold is a breath of fresh air after SO MANY years of Davis
OH and about this coment:
"I don't see how this qualifies Aaah-nold for the seat.
Two WOrds......HE WON
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Originally posted by F4i
RR was a politician prior to his presidency, correct?
What has Aaah-nold done prior to his Governorship? Just made a few movies...did a few commercials on behalf of some little proposition?
I don't see how this qualifies Aaah-nold for the seat. :lol
TBolt
Uh, Ronald Reagan was Governor of California before he became President. I'm sure you knew this though.
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Wow. Clinton is evil for a consentual blow job. Yet the Republicans run and admitted sexual assulter, and he wins. I guess none of the guys that voted for him have wives, girlfriends or daughters.
Enjoy.
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Wow. Clinton is evil for a consentual blow job. Yet the Republicans run and admitted sexual assulter, and he wins. I guess none of the guys that voted for him have wives, girlfriends or daughters.
Enjoy.
You do realize that Clinton was accussed of sexual assault? And that that accusation was what brought up his relationship with Lewinski, right? Either you were ignorant of this or attempting to mislead, right? Unlike Clinton's accusers that were willing to testify in court, I've yet to see any harrassment charges filed formally against Arnold.
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Gray Davis for President!!
... or was it for a fry cook??
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Originally posted by mietla
Gray Davis for President!!
... or was it for a fry cook??
rotflamo:)
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Thrawn, it can not be considered consensual in a workplace environment when the CEO is getting BJ's from interns, and it should not be OK for it to happen in public office either.
Dunno about your laws, but in the U.S., it is considered that the person holding the power has a duty and a responsability to their employees. It is commonly called sexual harrassment, and Clinton was quilty of it from the time he became Gov. of Arkansas, that we know about, possibly prior to that.
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Originally posted by F4i
I don't see how this qualifies Aaah-nold for the seat. :lol
It doesn't... the people do (did).
:D
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democraps....MAHAHAHAHA
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Wow. Clinton is evil for a consentual blow job.
Here we go again... it's not what he did, it's the "he lied about it under oath" that was the real problem.
Yet the Republicans run and admitted sexual assulter, and he wins.
And another leftie points accusations out as fact, nothing new here.
I guess none of the guys that voted for him have wives, girlfriends or daughters.
Or maybe they see dirty campaign tactics for what thier worth?
Enjoy.
Not a "Cali" but thanks, I will. [/B]
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"And now come in and have a good Apfelstrudel" LOL ;)
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Originally posted by AKIron
Uh, Ronald Reagan was Governor of California before he became President. I'm sure you knew this though.
I was leading Bluefish into admitting that RR actually WAS a politician prior to serving as President. Arnold, on the other hand, nothing really worth mentioning.
This Hollywood b.s. hype may float on water, but I doubt it will EVER sail the high seas.... :lol
I wish I could say that the only great loss we're going to see during Arnold's term is that he won't be making any new action films any time soon. But, I fear the losses will be far greater. Unless, of course, the bureaucrats cooperate with Arnie because of the public's frustrations.
TBolt <-- lives 1 hour from Hollywood...probably should move to Montana, though. :D
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Originally posted by Tumor
>>>I don't see how this qualifies Aaah-nold for the seat.
It doesn't... the people do (did).
:D
Yea, well if the people had a clue, they would've voted for the porn star, instead. :D
TBolt
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Originally posted by F4i
I still can't believe the people in this state elected an actor...nothing but a frickin' actor...as Governor.
:rolleyes: :mad: :(
TBolt
Remember Reagen?
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Originally posted by AHGOD
Remember Reagen?
;) lol...read the whole thread before responding, AHG*D. We're way beyond that. :)
TBolt
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Originally posted by F4i
I was leading Bluefish into admitting that RR actually WAS a politician prior to serving as President. Arnold, on the other hand, nothing really worth mentioning.
You do understand that in electing Reagan to the CA Governorship they did exactly the same thing as in electing Arnold...
Your brilliant argument makes no sense...
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by AHGOD
Remember Reagen?
Too drunk and well I didn't really care. Did the Dem's ask for a recount yet?
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
You do understand that in electing Reagan to the CA Governorship they did exactly the same thing as in electing Arnold...
Your brilliant argument makes no sense...
:rolleyes:
Then, teach me...what did RR do prior to becoming Governor that prepared him to hold the seat, GRUNHERZ?
TBolt
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Originally posted by F4i
Then, teach me...what did RR do prior to becoming Governor that prepared him to hold the seat, GRUNHERZ?
TBolt
http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/rr40.html
"As president of the Screen Actors Guild, Reagan became embroiled in disputes over the issue of Communism in the film industry; his political views shifted from liberal to conservative. He toured the country as a television host, becoming a spokesman for conservatism. In 1966 he was elected Governor of California by a margin of a million votes; he was re-elected in 1970."
So hush up... :D
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The thing I question is more people voted for the recall than voted in the original election. If they were too lazy to vote before, they should have been excluded from the recall. Like the saying goes, "If ya don't vote ya can't biatch!"
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/rr40.html
"As president of the Screen Actors Guild, Reagan became embroiled in disputes over the issue of Communism in the film industry; his political views shifted from liberal to conservative. He toured the country as a television host, becoming a spokesman for conservatism. In 1966 he was elected Governor of California by a margin of a million votes; he was re-elected in 1970."
So hush up... :D
Sounds like Reagan was a bit more involved in politics prior to becoming Governor. But, anway...thanks.
TBolt
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Yeah, Reagan was President of the SAG. He turned his back on Union's after he became Prez...but that's another story.
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Sounds like Reagan was a bit more involved in politics prior to becoming Governor. But, anway...thanks.
You're welcome. :)
Though Arnold has been politically active since the early 1990s.
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Originally posted by rpm371
Yeah, Reagan was President of the SAG. He turned his back on Union's after he became Prez...but that's another story.
You have to be a SAG member to have a speaking role in a film - he had no choice.
I loved how he fired all those communist* striking traffic controler guys..
*:D
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Yea, I remember...a presidential appointment in something to do with physical fitness 'n such. How effective was he?
It's alright. I don't mean to rip Arnie. I just think this election/recall is a joke.
G'nite all.
TBolt
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
You have to be a SAG member to have a speaking role in a film - he had no choice.
I loved how he fired all those communist* striking traffic controler guys..
*:D
Yeah, he was "forced" to be President of the Union...sorry try again.:rofl
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I donno how effective it was. Plus we can add that Arnold has been a natipnally recognized leader both politically and as private venture in the field of afterschool athletics and other programs for disadvantaged children across. He also heavily supported special olympics competion.
I recognize that you arent fully comfortable with the recall process but I respect your statement on not wishing to rip apart our new governor because of it.
Thanks. :)
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Originally posted by rpm371
Yeah, he was "forced" to be President of the Union...sorry try again.:rofl
I know - it just sounds better the way I said it. In fact it speaks well of him that he made an honest attempt to lead those hardline communist operatives towards the truth, alas even a great man like him could not overcome such a challenge.. ;)
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BTW, Grun...You don't have to be a SAG member to get a speaking role, but you do get your card AFTER you appear in a scene. You can also get membership to AFTRA. Being in a union just opens doors for you.
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Ahh thanks for the detail about how it works rpm.. Do you work in or around the movies? :)
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Neg Grun...I worked in Radio after my discharge...we had to learn some of the union stuff for production work (commercials). Residuals ROCK! :D
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Originally posted by rpm371
...Being in a union just opens doors for you.
Opens doors for you, and in other words, provides you with an edge over another applicant who may be more so qulaified to do the job vs. some one who is just the member of a union.
Let's seem it also guarantees a union member will get rediculously high wages or they will piss and moan and go on strike. This alone is one of the main reasons NAFTA was put into effect, and the main reason are economy has been struggling.
Unions had a place years ago, now they are just corrupt houses of whiners that expect all employers have the obligation to pay an employee millions for doing absolutely nothing or close to it.
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Gee whiz, I find myself at odds with Thrawn at about every turn... I dunno how different two people could be...
Thrawn, Clinton never admitted a damn thing in his life until he was caught with DNA evidence against him. Even then he didn't exactly admit anything. Clinton insulted our collective intelligence over and over. He should have just come clean and admitted his failings instead of lying about them and allowing people to fall on grenades for him.
Arnold has stepped right up and admitted being a dog in the past. While not an admirable trait, it is honest, and gives us a place to start. If he drops into the deny, deny, deny path I'd be the first to condemn; so far he has not done that.
FWIW, I knew Clinton would be awful when he uttered the line "I smoked, but did not inhale." What idiot would believe a line like that? Several million Democrats, apparently.
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Interesting that the only method for Republicans in CA to get a viable general election candidate is to skip the primary, but unfortunately I don't think either party will pay any heed.
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What exactly constitutes being called a "Republican"? I mean, Arnies Pro-choice and Anti-gun...(shrugs) Or is that some sick definition of a "Kalifornia Republican"?
I would have not voted for him because of his stance on one of these two issues.
McClintock seemed to be the best candidate.
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I could not have provided a clearer example of the problem that will continue to handicap the Republican party until it can break free of the right wing extreme. Unfortunately, even when they do long enough to gain nationally, the newfound policical power intoxicates them right back into tablianesque conservatism.
If you want to start winning more elections, you need to start looking not at who is the 'best republican', but who is the republican democrats are most likely to vote for. Of course since democrats have the exact same problem so it doesn't hurt as bad as it could, but if either party were smart enough to think more than two weeks ahead they would take the country in a landslide.
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Originally posted by Fatty
I could not have provided a clearer example of the problem that will continue to handicap the Republican party until it can break free of the right wing extreme. Unfortunately, even when they do long enough to gain nationally, the newfound policical power intoxicates them right back into tablianesque conservatism.
If you want to start winning more elections, you need to start looking not at who is the 'best republican', but who is the republican democrats are most likely to vote for. Of course since democrats have the exact same problem so it doesn't hurt as bad as it could, but if either party were smart enough to think more than two weeks ahead they would take the country in a landslide.
I've said for years that I wished the Abortion issue wasn't part of politics, you'd have alot more Dems voting Republican.
My biggest issue is the anti-gun issue, but then again, maybe Kalifornia *needs* tougher laws. :eek:
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I don't think that Arnie is pro gun control so much as he is not against some form of gun control... This may mean that he thinks Ca allready has too much gun control.. I hope so...
Either way... California is a beautiful state. real estate will continue to go up and the state will continue to go downhill as whites leave. I will leave when I can't stand it anymore and my property is worth all I can mil out of it.
Hopefully... Arnie will buy me a few more years here.
lazs
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Originally posted by Bodhi
Opens doors for you, and in other words, provides you with an edge over another applicant who may be more so qulaified to do the job vs. some one who is just the member of a union.
Let's seem it also guarantees a union member will get rediculously high wages or they will piss and moan and go on strike. This alone is one of the main reasons NAFTA was put into effect, and the main reason are economy has been struggling.
Unions had a place years ago, now they are just corrupt houses of whiners that expect all employers have the obligation to pay an employee millions for doing absolutely nothing or close to it.
You sound like an overpayed non-union boss. Yeah, let's all work for minimum wage.
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and you sound like someone from boston... minus the braying fortunately.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
and you sound like someone from boston... minus the braying fortunately.
lazs
And you sound like his bum buddy. And we have a Repub in office.
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Originally posted by rpm371
The thing I question is more people voted for the recall than voted in the original election. If they were too lazy to vote before, they should have been excluded from the recall. Like the saying goes, "If ya don't vote ya can't biatch!"
I like George Carlin's take on it;
"If I don't vote, I've got more right to complain, as I had no hand in creating the mess."
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Originally posted by milnko
I like George Carlin's take on it;
"If I don't vote, I've got more right to complain, as I had no hand in creating the mess."
Agreed! :lol
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I don't know.... not voting is sorta like pouting... you think you are making a point but all you are doing is dragging things down and making people ignore you.
lazs
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Originally posted by milnko
I like George Carlin's take on it;
"If I don't vote, I've got more right to complain, as I had no hand in creating the mess."
But had he "voted", he might have prevented it...think about this for awhile. ;)
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I wont vote till we come across a time, candidate or issue that really strikes me - or when we reach some period of less partisanship and constant political crap as we have seen in the past two administrations. And no I will not accept that behavior as normal and I sure wont invest my vote in such an atmosphere. Thats what it will take to jolt me out of my current disguist with the state of politics..
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Grun, you know my stance on the vote issue since we discussed it over dinner, and that being that if you don't vote, you let someone else control your environment. And, you know I held my nose at the 2000 election, but why did I vote? I vote for the lessor of the two evils because I feel all politics are evil, some to a lesser degree, and my vote prevents the more evil from taking power.
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I know Rip. But I'm young and headstrong.. :)
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This is a landmark case IMO.
Not that Arnold won, which I'm glad to see but isn't the point.
But it set a PRECEDENT for removing bad inempt or unliked politicians.
How long before CA recalls a congressman or senator?
This is a GOOD thing for the people IMO.
Politicians should be quaking in their shoes.
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Originally posted by Ghosth
This is a landmark case IMO.
Not that Arnold won, which I'm glad to see but isn't the point.
But it set a PRECEDENT for removing bad inempt or unliked politicians.
How long before CA recalls a congressman or senator?
This is a GOOD thing for the people IMO.
Politicians should be quaking in their shoes.
Exactly! Great point, Herr Slacker! :D
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Originally posted by F4i
I still can't believe the people in this state elected an actor...nothing but a frickin' actor...as Governor.
:rolleyes: :mad: :(
TBolt
What politician isn't?
I didn't vote.. I don't agree with Davis and our economy but I couldn't get myself to vote. It's funny how his movie popularity won over the hoard so easy yet the census showed 60% thinking Arnnie doesn't understand the issues or what his "advisors" are telling.
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Originally posted by SunKing
What politician isn't?
There's a quote somewhere that states that the only difference between Hollywood and DC is that the people in Hollywood are prettier.
Can't remember who said it...
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Originally posted by SunKing
It's funny how his movie popularity won over the hoard so easy yet the census showed 60% thinking Arnnie doesn't understand the issues or what his "advisors" are telling.
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT IS DRIVING ME NUTS! I don't give a damn how popular Arnie is because of his damn movies; he's not prepared to RUN OUR FRICKIN' STATE!
The majority of Californians voted Arnie into office for the wrong reasons (ie: movie star popularity; this blind need "for something different" even though the new guy doesn't know jack about running a government).
TBolt
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Not true. Sometimes you have to get someone out of office before he can do anymore damage.
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Originally posted by Kieran
Not true. Sometimes you have to get someone out of office before he can do anymore damage.
Exactly, we just could not afford to keep Davis anymore. He was way to destructive. All those bill he has signed recently have to be undone (if possible)
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Well, I've read (on BBC news) that the tripled car tax is set in stone, already. Arnie has been selling himself on being able to repeal that tax. To save face, he would have to pull money from someone else in order to come through on his promise.
:(
As for the other bills...beats me how that will be resolved.
TBolt
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Oh come on!
What do you need to be an expert at in order to lead?
I know! Leadership!
Duh!
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Oh come on!
What do you need to be an expert at in order to lead?
I know! Leadership!
Duh!
Define leadership. Acting like a leader is only half the job, right?
What about negotiating ability? Public speaking? Being able to evaluate extremely complex humanitarian, political & economic issues? Knowing when to compromise and when not to?
How long have you followed someone's lead after you've realized that he doesn't know what the hell he's doing? :lol
Good luck, Arnie, wherever you may be right now.
TBolt
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"What about negotiating ability? Public speaking? Being able to evaluate extremely complex humanitarian, political & economic issues? Knowing when to compromise and when not to?"
You need to be intelligent and you need to be able to listen. I know you are prejudiced to disagree on account of this being Arnold but those qualities are a huge part of effective leadership. For example we allready know Cruz Bustamante does not have them - if you saw his "concession" speech it is obvious he learned nothing from this experience, his approach and manner was exactly as before. He admitted making no mistakes, blamed his defeat on outside factors, went right back to the tactics that lost him the race. Yet Cruz Bustamante is clearly the experienced politician you seem to yearn for. But he is not a leader.
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:lol I would've voted for the porn star before I voted for Cruz.
TBolt
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Originally posted by F4i
:lol I would've voted for the porn star before I voted for Cruz.
TBolt
Well they are both "experienced." :)
But you if see all those years of Cruz's political experience and supposed knowledge mean nothing to you, then why place such an emphasis on Arnolds relative inxeperience?
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Experience does mean something to me. However, in this election, Cruz was not my choice for Governor. I voted for Gary Coleman. ;) :lol
Inexperience...no matter what face is behind it...is dangerous, though. :)
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There's a show on Discovery Wings, right now, about Attack a/c. Watchy, watchy. :eek:
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TBolt
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Well good to see you took this process seriously.. :D