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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Sandman on October 08, 2003, 12:03:27 AM
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Recall Davis?
Yes 1,479,255 55.9%
No 1,164,790 44.1%
Top candidates
Arnold Schwarzenegger 1,243,794
Cruz Bustamante 755,242
Tom McClintock 324,341
Peter Camejo 52,840
In a state with a population of approximately 36 million, a little over 2.6 million actually got off their dead bellybutton to vote.
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Not so Sandman, heard 60% voted. The count han't been completed though I did read that Davis has conceded the recall.
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Hmmm... is that 60% of the population or 60% of the registered voters?
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Hmmm... is that 60% of the population or 60% of the registered voters?
I dunno, but they compare it with %50 that voted the last election that Davis won and %70 in the Presidential election. By the way, you'll need the signatures of 12% of that 60% to call a recall vote. Better get to work now.
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I saw numbers similar to those on CNN.com sandman, but it was with only 34% of precincts reporting their results.
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72% of the illegal aliens could not find the voteing booth.
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There were 2.2 mil absentee ballots; I don't think they have even listed them yet. Looks like the tally will be 60-70% of all registered voters, which is a real good turnout.
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Originally posted by john9001
72% of the illegal aliens could not find the voteing booth.
Nope they had instructions in Spanish. Even the touch screen had a Spanish option. :rolleyes:
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There's no law that says you have to speak English to be a US citizen. That being the case, it makes sense to accomodate for citizens who speak other languages. Do you think they shouldn't have the right to vote because they speak a different language?
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Recall Davis?
Yes 1,479,255 55.9%
No 1,164,790 44.1%
Top candidates
Arnold Schwarzenegger 1,243,794
Cruz Bustamante 755,242
Tom McClintock 324,341
Peter Camejo 52,840
In a state with a population of approximately 36 million, a little over 2.6 million actually got off their dead bellybutton to vote.
WAAAAAA!! WAAAAAA! WAAAAAAA!!!
Lets call this a massive sample - the rest would hae voted along the same lines. Please note Arnold had more votes than Gray Davis had no on recall votes...
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Yes... I feel that you shouldn't be able to vote if you don't speak the language... I especially feel you shouldn't vote if you can't fill out an absentee ballot or find your way to the polls or.... tell the difference between yes or no in the lanmguage of the country you are voting in..
and I think you should be able to read "gray davis" in any language.
lazs
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Originally posted by GScholz
I guess the writer of "Demolition Man" got it right. There prolly will be an Arnold Schwarzenegger Presidential Memorial Hospital in the future. :D
Never happen. According to the US Constitution one has to be born in the USA before you can qualify to run for President.
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The movie accounted for that, there was a constitutional amendment so Arnold could run. I hope he does well here in California so maybe it does become reality.
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Watch the movie, they repeal that law in the future so that Arnold can run.
edit: Damn Grun, you beat me to it.
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Sandman:
Typically in the United States, the percentage given for voter turnout represents the percentage of all voting age people who turned out to vote. That figure even includes those who aren't registered to vote. Most other democracies figure voter turnout as the percentage of registered voters who turned out to vote.
Obviously the latter consistently generates higher turnout percentages, but it also ignores those so disenchanted by politics or disenfranchised by the system that they never even register to vote. It also means that the discrepency between voter turnout in the United States and abroad is far less than most would admit when you account for measurement differences.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by lazs2
Yes... I feel that you shouldn't be able to vote if you don't speak the language... I especially feel you shouldn't vote if you can't fill out an absentee ballot or find your way to the polls or.... tell the difference between yes or no in the lanmguage of the country you are voting in..
and I think you should be able to read "gray davis" in any language.
lazs
I agree completely
I'm a bit weary of the mainstream having to accomodate those that refuse to accept that English is the official language here.
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Originally posted by LePaul
I agree completely
I'm a bit weary of the mainstream having to accomodate those that refuse to accept that English is the official language here.
The mainstream has accomodated for a good long time.
Spanish was the official language in New Mexico back in the '30s. Probably was in all Southwestern states. So it's really nothing new or unusual. At least most high school classes were taught in Spanish at that time in Albequerque, NM. And you had to learn Spanish to understand what was going on in class.
The United States has two official languages, English and Spanish. Like it or not, it would behoove US citizens to learn both languages.
Les
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yo
we have three ...
ya forget ebonics
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There's no law that says you have to speak English to be a US citizen. That being the case, it makes sense to accomodate for citizens who speak other languages. Do you think they shouldn't have the right to vote because they speak a different language?
yes, they should have the right to vote. no we shouldn't be the ones to make acomodations for them. I wouldn't live in (or even visit) a country whos main language was other than english without making provisions to comunicate with others and handle my bussiness. I would think it would be much simpler for those who don't speak english to provide their own interpriter (as they know what language they need to have interprited) instead of us providing one for every language that may walk through the door.
like in this case (http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/West/05/10/offbeat.klingon.interpreter/index.html)
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Originally posted by Eagler
yo
we have three ...
ya forget ebonics
A B... c d goldfish!!
L m n o goldfish
O s m r 2 goldfish.
Les:)
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The only way the Dumycrats will every win another election is if they don't run, i mean comon it's American atleast Arnie knows how to play the game.
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Originally posted by Leslie
A B... c d goldfish!!
L m n o goldfish
O s m r 2 goldfish.
Les:)
:D
Texas version:
MR Ducks
AR Not
OSAR CM Wangs
LIB MR Ducks
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
WAAAAAA!! WAAAAAA! WAAAAAAA!!!
Lets call this a massive sample - the rest would hae voted along the same lines. Please note Arnold had more votes than Gray Davis had no on recall votes...
Did I make any partisan statement? FWIW, I voted for McLintock.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Sandman:
Typically in the United States, the percentage given for voter turnout represents the percentage of all voting age people who turned out to vote. That figure even includes those who aren't registered to vote. Most other democracies figure voter turnout as the percentage of registered voters who turned out to vote.
Obviously the latter consistently generates higher turnout percentages, but it also ignores those so disenchanted by politics or disenfranchised by the system that they never even register to vote. It also means that the discrepency between voter turnout in the United States and abroad is far less than most would admit when you account for measurement differences.
-- Todd/Leviathn
Thanks DMF... I understand.
The initial post wasn't about parties or candidates. It simply irks me that many do not take advantage of a system that allows them to have a voice (however small). There are citizens in other countries that are quite wiling to fight and die for the privilege that so many in this country simply ignore.
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Originally posted by Eagler
yo
we have three ...
ya forget ebonics
WORD!
....peace out
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the official laguage of texas is english. any mexican can tell you that and why. all mexicans speak english they just play with you yankees.
was a great fight in a place called san jacinto that changed it all. p.s. pronunciation not HACINTO. since the fight at lease.
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
the official laguage of texas is english. any mexican can tell you that and why. all mexicans speak english they just play with you yankees.
was a great fight in a place called san jacinto that changed it all. p.s. pronunciation not HACINTO. since the fight at lease.
Does anyone else wonder if the medication amount has been increased lately when they read a LDV post?
The last sentence was the real winner in the "Makes no sense at all" contest.
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"...It simply irks me that many do not take advantage of a system that allows them to have a voice (however small). There are citizens in other countries that are quite wiling to fight and die for the privilege that so many in this country simply ignore....".
Why would someone vote if they do not feel any of the candidates are worthy or they feel disenfrancised by the system? Don't think everyone that does not vote is just too lazy to get off their duff.
yowser
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Liberals are never happy
They have complained about low voter turn out and blamed it on Reagan and Bush, saying if it weren’t for poor choices there would be a greater number of voters.
California has the largest number of voter turn out for a Gov. election in the history of the state 70%. And they are crying about how the people are stupid for voting in such high numbers.
Wha Wha Wha.
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I think y'all are wrong, and here's why:
The day when everyone in a democracy agrees on everything is the day that democracy becomes a farce. It's argument that makes our country strong, not agreement. If all the car makers were buddy buddy from the beginning, we'd all be driving Model T lookalikes. Conflict drives progress.
I think all my fellow californians should be happy there's so much shouting and conflict, that means we're doing something.
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Originally posted by LePaul
I agree completely
I'm a bit weary of the mainstream having to accomodate those that refuse to accept that English is the official language here.
Define "here". It wouldn't be the US, since we don't have an official language. Perhaps you mean CA, where they voted for an official language, but as of yet their inept state government has done nothing to make that happen. I would support a law that made our official language English, but until there is one in place (and implimented) I think it makes sense to accomodate for a very large portion of a particular society.
BTW...That's funny in a sad way, Apathy, but it's for a mental health clinic.
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Originally posted by yowser
Why would someone vote if they do not feel any of the candidates are worthy or they feel disenfrancised by the system?
That is a cop out, IMHO.
The system is what it is. You cannot affect change from the outside looking in.
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Originally posted by SOB
Define "here". It wouldn't be the US, since we don't have an official language. Perhaps you mean CA, where they voted for an official language, but as of yet their inept state government has done nothing to make that happen. I would support a law that made our official language English, but until there is one in place (and implimented) I think it makes sense to accomodate for a very large portion of a particular society.
BTW...That's funny in a sad way, Apathy, but it's for a mental health clinic.
LOL
Oh sure, let's make it a law. Let's also make all sorts of common sesnse things law too while were at it :rofl
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Originally posted by SOB
There's no law that says you have to speak English to be a US citizen. That being the case, it makes sense to accomodate for citizens who speak other languages. Do you think they shouldn't have the right to vote because they speak a different language?
Just plain stupid. Why? It costs money you know....
There is always money to be pissed away on stupidity like that, but we are always short funding infrastructure, Police and Fire Dept.
Interesting
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Why would it be common sense to speak English when a Spanish-speaking American can currently get all of the services he/she needs in their native tongue, and when that's what they speak in their home and with their neighbors? The system to accomodate them is already in place. If you don't like it, make it a law that English is our official language and take steps to slowly wean them off of these services and possibly provide for some help in learning English.
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Originally posted by mietla
Just plain stupid. Why? It costs money you know....
There is always money to be pissed away on stupidity like that, but we are always short funding infrastructure, Police and Fire Dept.
Interesting
You're right. It is stupid that this wasn't dealt with a long time ago. I think it makes sense to have one official language and to encourage that among all immigrants. However, that's not what has happened. Instead, services have been provided in their native tongue. That being the case, it would be stupid to provide translation in those other services and then cut them off when it comes to excersizing their right to vote.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
The last sentence was the real winner in the "Makes no sense at all" contest.
All "Makes no sense at all" sentences are equally non-sensical by definition. If you can't understand them, how would you decide which one is more stupid that another.
Unless you consider the author and his "credentials" of course....
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LOL... that was sooooo stinky sandman, and yet... successful!
~36million PEOPLE in CA. About 10% are under 18...
about 22% of the rest are foreign born. Still trying to determin the total number of registered voters... but we had a good turnout, really.
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Originally posted by SOB
You're right. It is stupid that this wasn't dealt with a long time ago. I think it makes sense to have one official language and to encourage that among all immigrants. However, that's not what has happened. Instead, services have been provided in their native tongue. That being the case, it would be stupid to provide translation in those other services and then cut them off when it comes to excersizing their right to vote.
I don't care about what service we are talking about. The issue has nothing to do with the right to vote. I just object to idiotic, couter productive and costly efforts to force us to accommodate those who choose not to learn English.
Why would they after all?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
LOL... that was sooooo stinky sandman, and yet... successful!
those are the best
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Look at the topic, it has everything to do with voting, and that's what I was commenting on. In the current system where we provide these accomidations (you're right, idiotic), cutting off this accomidation at the voters booth would effectively deny them the right to vote.
But whatever, we agree on the topic of the accomodations as a whole...they're a bad idea.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
The last sentence was the real winner in the "Makes no sense at all" contest.
That's because you're not from Texas :D He was refering to the 20 minute paisting that Texas gave Santa Anna while his army was on siesta. It is pronounced San Jacinto (ie.. the G sound not the H sound) We also don't do siesta's here since the fight ;)
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The Mexicans don't bother speaking English here either. Most construction companies have to hire bi-lingual formans.....
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Sandman,
I understood your initial post and pretty much agree with you. I'm all for making election Tuesdays national holidays. That or move voting to Saturdays.
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Originally posted by SOB
But whatever, we agree on the topic of the accomodations as a whole...they're a bad idea.
So, does it mean that you are not going to beat me up at the MiniCon?
Or just a poke in the eye?
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Can't get a line supervisor job in my company without being bi-lingual.
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Originally posted by mietla
So, does it mean that you are not going to beat me up at the MiniCon?
Or just a poke in the eye?
Oh no, I'm still going to beat you up. You and Lasz. And Funked. I'll probably beat up Mini on the way down there too! It can't be a con without veiled threats of violence before hand! :D
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violence before hand!
SOB's motto?
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LOL :D
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Originally posted by SOB
There's no law that says you have to speak English to be a US citizen. That being the case, it makes sense to accomodate for citizens who speak other languages. Do you think they shouldn't have the right to vote because they speak a different language?
I think they should learn our language in order to survive in this country...to educate them in our schools in spanish, then turn them out in the streets is silly.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
LOL... that was sooooo stinky sandman, and yet... successful!
~36million PEOPLE in CA. About 10% are under 18...
about 22% of the rest are foreign born. Still trying to determin the total number of registered voters... but we had a good turnout, really.
Sadly, my best trolls are unintended... :)
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Originally posted by midnight Target
SOB's motto?
No, SOB's motto it "I am intolerant of bigots"
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Actually, I prefer "I'm bigoted against bigots" or "I like cheese". On occasion it's "I want porn", but that motto often fades away quickly only to be realized again later.
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Originally posted by SOB
Actually, I prefer "I'm bigoted against bigots"
I like that one better too, but I've decided to quote the original.
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If English is to be the "Official" language...should we make mis-spelling and mis-pronunciation a crime?:rolleyes:
You have to admit, as a whole Americans are an arrogant lot. Most (not all, but most) of the people outside the U.S. speak more than 1 language and speak them fluently. I leared very early growing up in Texas that learning to speak at least remedial Spanish is not only a good idea, but essential.
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Originally posted by rpm371
If English is to be the "Official" language...should we make mis-spelling and mis-pronunciation a crime?:rolleyes:
You have to admit, as a whole Americans are an arrogant lot. Most (not all, but most) of the people outside the U.S. speak more than 1 language and speak them fluently. I leared very early growing up in Texas that learning to speak at least remedial Spanish is not only a good idea, but essential.
Yes, I think it should be a crime.
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^:rofl
hablo un poco espanol. Pero no intiendo enough to be able to speak with these visitors to MY country....
There was a song about this in the 80's. Storm Troopers of Death was the name of the band, if I remember correctly. "Speak English or DIE".
People in EU want to speak 20 diferent languages, more power to them. It's MUCH more efficient if everybody spoke the same language though. Remember we got all these diferent languages as punishment from God for man's arrogance. Don't ya think it would be a WHOLE lot easier to live together if we could say.... communicate?
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Originally posted by Udie
Don't ya think it would be a WHOLE lot easier to live together if we could say.... communicate?
Douglas Adams had a thing or two to say about this idea.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Always bring a towel.
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Sticking a fish in my ear seems a small price to pay for universal communication.
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Well, Udie has a point in a way... I mean, if you're going to go Euro for money to make life easier, seems one language would be the logical next step...
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Originally posted by Udie
^:rofl
People in EU want to speak 20 diferent languages, more power to them. It's MUCH more efficient if everybody spoke the same language though. Remember we got all these diferent languages as punishment from God for man's arrogance. Don't ya think it would be a WHOLE lot easier to live together if we could say.... communicate?
Did God say the punishment was over yet?
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Originally posted by mietla
I don't care about what service we are talking about. The issue has nothing to do with the right to vote. I just object to idiotic, couter[sic] productive and costly efforts to force us to accommodate those who choose not to learn English.
Why would they after all? [/B]
Looks like we will be sharing a cell! :rofl :rofl :rofl
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:)
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Originally posted by mjolnir
Sticking a fish in my ear seems a small price to pay for universal communication.
I was more referring to Adams' commentary on the consequences of universal communication. To quote:
"The Babel fish, by effectively removing all barriers to communication between different races and cultures, has caused more and bloodier wars than anything else in the history of creation."
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Ich bin verärgert, daß dieses Anzeigenbrett zu meiner Sprachänderung sie nicht jetzt sein mein Recht begleitet! wie mein Recht zu wählen
¡Estoy enojado que este tablero del mensaje ahora no lo acompaña a mi cambio de la lengua la su mi derecha! como la mi derecha de votar
Je suis fâché que ce panneau de message ne l'accompagne pas à mon changement de langue maintenant sa ma droite! comme ma droite de voter
Sono arrabbiato che questa cartolina del messaggio ora non lo accompagna al mio cambiamento di lingua la relativa mia destra! come la mia destra votare
Eu estou irritado que esta placa da mensagem não a acompanha a minha mudança da língua agora sua minha direita! como minha direita votar
Я сердит, что эта доска для сообщений не сопровождает к моему изменению Языка это теперь его мое право! как мое право голосовать
Είμαι 0 ότι αυτός ο πίνακας μηνυμάτων δεν το συνοδεύει στη γλωσσική αλλαγή μου τώρα το δικαίωμά μου του! όπως το δικαίωμά μου ψηφοφορίας
Ik ben boos dat deze bericht bord te mijn Taal niet begeleidt het verandert nu zijn mijn recht! zoals mijn recht te kiezen
Jeg er sint at denne budskaptavle ikke akkompagnerer til mitt Språk forandrer det nå dets min rett! som min rett stemme
:) :) :) Now Isint America a better place? :) :) :)
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Originally posted by Rude
I think they should learn our language in order to survive in this country...to educate them in our schools in spanish, then turn them out in the streets is silly.
Why your language? As has been pointed out, the US doesn't have an offical language. Why not both predominent languages?
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Why your language? As has been pointed out, the US doesn't have an offical language. Why not both predominent languages?
No official language in the United States? This is a waste of my time.
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Originally posted by Rude
No official language in the United States?
That's right, you don't have something like this...
From the Canadian Constition Act.
"Official Languages of Canada
16. (1) English and French are the official languages of Canada and have equality of status and equal rights and privileges as to their use in all institutions of the Parliament and government of Canada "
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/const/annex_e.html#languages
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"our language"
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... it's the language of some strange people who live on a shrewed island and drink hot water with some kind of weed in it all the time.
BTW, don't get to excited about english being the predominant language (for international communication) at the moment - it was French (doesn't that hurt your ears) a couple of hundred years ago and Latin even before that. Hey - I see a pattern - we Euros ruled the planet since day one.
OTH, I am happy Switzerland never got into conquering - swissgerman would be just too *hard* to learn (or bear for that matter)! Oh yeah, and my small country has 4 (FOUR) official languages... :D