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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Ike 2K# on October 08, 2003, 12:14:45 PM
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Would HTC add "hydraulic leaks" as a damage model for AH2? Hydraulic leaks occur when hydraulic lines inside the wing is hit by a cannon, flak, or Machine gun. Hydraulic leaks create a mushy effect on rudders, ailerons, and elevators. When the hydraulic liquid is "maxed out", you'll have no control of the plane.
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LOL
Imagine the amount of whines.. "frekken 1 ping hydros hit in me 262!!"
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rust on the throttle sliders, moss on the pedals (some people sweat by the feet excessively), sweat crumbs falsing the stick axes and contacts, micro-deformation of the control surfaces from too many hands-on pre-flight checks..
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I think moot is trying to bring up the point of "where do we draw the line." Rusted throttle sliders wouldn't ever make it into my plane, I give them all a good pre-flight check before I up. I can't catch bullets, however, so I think we can safely state that anything that could have happened due to battle damage should be included.
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To avoid whines about dying quickly after the death a window should list the parts that got hit...
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Good suggestion.. it'd be cool to see gears popping out loose, losing controls of flaps or prop pitch.. etc.
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WWII aircraft didn't use hydralics to control ailerons, rudders and elevators.
Hydralics were used for things like landing gear and turret controls.
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I wouldn't mind my hydrolics being shot out, most planes in ww2 with hydrolic gear had manual ways of lowering them i believe.
BUT FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, don't have control cables like il-2!!!
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I love control cable losses in IL-2/FB :D
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Cables should be damageable, but IL2:FB makes them too fragile or without redundancies. Something seems off in Il-2 given how frequently and fatally they get hit.
A story picking up halfway through a mission in a Mosquito B.Mk IV:
'Suddenly, there were flashes and black puffs of flak. I remember thinking "this is not what you get in a Mosquito - you're too fast for this sort of thing" - and then just before I dropped my bombs there was a violent bumb. I thought it outrageous that one could be downed at night in a Mosquito. It was just not done. It was unsporting and not in good form at all.
'Anyway, we turned round and weaved our way back across northern Germany and over the Dutch coast in the direction of home - we were bathed in brilliant moonlight throughout the operation. We had one loss - Wg Cdr Peter Shand, OC No 139 Sqn (and his navigator, Plt Off C D Handley DFM), who we subsequently heard had been downed (by Oberluetnant Lothar Linke of IV.NJG 1) on the way home.
'Once back on the ground, we were debriefed and went to bed. When I went up to the flights the next morning I was asked if I realized that I had been hit the night before? I said, "No. I had a bump and realized that there had been a burst fairly close. I didn't know I had been hit. I suppose there are a few tiny holes in the wing or something?" They said, "Oh no. You've virtually had it". A piece of shrapnel had gone right through the tail of the Mosquito where the elevator wires all link up with the tailplane and rudder. All but one of these wires had been totally severed, the sole intact strand on a single control line allowing me to fly the Mosquito as if nothing had happened. I was unaware that anything was wrong at all as the aircraft had handled perfectly.
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Originally posted by Karnak
WWII aircraft didn't use hydralics to control ailerons, rudders and elevators.
Hydralics were used for things like landing gear and turret controls.
Better check again, some were (boosted) in the later part of the war. The P-38 comes to mind at once, I believe the B-29 as well.
As speed increased it became hard to deflect the controls without hydro-boost.
I don't know if any AC were only hydro powered without cables in the system or not.
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Originally posted by Scootter
Better check again, some were (boosted) in the later part of the war. The P-38 comes to mind at once, I believe the B-29 as well.
I am well aware of that. A couple of special cases do not change the big picture.
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Never let the facts get in your way...
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Yeah, I'm not too sure about that logic. So since the "big picture" for fighter aircraft have only one engine, if my p38's left engine gets pinged, I should just go down?
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Why have a hydralic or cable problem when most of the time you are missing that part of the plane after a hit anyway :)
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I considered mentioning the P-38's hydrolic boosted ailerons in my first post. I didn't because what I was correcting Ike 2k#'s misconception that all WWII aircraft used hydrolics to control all of their control surfaces.
I was not "not letting facts get in the way" as you so snidely put it.
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I have found out the B-29 has no Hydaulic control surfaces.
http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182150-1.html
I have corrected myself