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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: mason22 on May 16, 2001, 02:24:00 PM
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you HAVE to check out this trailer!
http://tms2.wo.cz/film/video/trailer.mpg (http://tms2.wo.cz/film/video/trailer.mpg)
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Cool trailer... I couldn't understand much of it, but what I did catch sounds really interesting...
Any ideas on the date it's coming out? Or if it will be released in the USA with subtitles?
-SW
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not sure wolf, i got the link from dogfighter.com
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See this link for more info/discussion: http://agw.dogfighter.com/agw//Forum3/HTML/020701.html (http://agw.dogfighter.com/agw//Forum3/HTML/020701.html)
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I went to the homepage, unfortunately it's all in czech... wonder if there's an AH player that can translate for us and give us some info.
Looks like a real cool movie.
-SW
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Ummmm....translation please. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeet! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Holy crap this looks good!
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WOW. I MUST see this film.
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(http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/cwm/cwm/eek2.gif) wow, preview has nudity, must be a good movie.
-AKHog
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Check the AGW link Rip gave, there's plenty information about the movie.
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WOW.... and what Hogfrmr said (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Saw
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OT or not.. that footage is fricking amazing. Kuba (over at agw) commented on the movie and translated:
The movie is in Czech and it's about Czechoslovak pilots in the RAF.
The squadron list posted is right, short of the 314 squadron which was never established. "A" flight of the 68 Squadron (night fighters) was fully Czechoslovak though. There were lots of Czechoslovak pilots spread out throughout "British" RAF squadrons, too.
Whatever it will be, it won't be a "Hollywood" style movie - the guys who made it are too good for that, heh
It will be playing abroad next year, and will be published on DVD as well, also next year. But if any of you visit Prague sometime in the future, there will be a copy with English subtitles running here - just let me know and I'll find out what theatre it's showing in (and buy you a beer).
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As for the trailer, here's a translation of the spoken comentar told by author of the script (and, incidentally, father of the director) Zdenek Sverak (basically this is the stuff you guys didn't understand):
"I'm looking at old black and white photographs of young, thick-haired men in uniforms of Czechoslovak fighter pilots in the RAF, and I'm thinking of what movie I should write about them, to capture what they did as a matter of course.
I'm sure about one thing: writing about world war 2 is not a an end in itself voyage to action, because the war was a fight of good against evil. It was a fateful fight to save humanity, which could also be lost and which afterall is not finished yet.
I also know that the 20-year old young men from the photographs were different from the other soldiers of that great war: they were all volunteers. They were elite in the best sense of the word. They could have stayed home in the Protectorate, get married and peacefully work for Hitler's empire as most of their countrymen. But something called "sense of duty" or "consciousness", "patriotism" or "unwillingness to be ashamed" did not let them.
Our story should weigh this courage of theirs, to record friendship of men in danger, their joys and loves in those breaks in the bloody war, their fear of death and obsession with flying. It should blame the unbelievable ungratefulness laid in front of them by history after their return home. And at the same time it should be beautiful.
Well, we shall see..."
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You guys have good eyes, they got hold of some unused footage from BoB, digitally remastered it and beefed it up with computer tricks, simply because (quote) "you cannot get that many Heinkels and Messerschmidts in the air at the same time anymore".
I've seen the "film about film" and some of the low-level flight footage shown there is simply amazing.
Here are also some tidbits I originally posted on our squad list:
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I just watched a document about the filming of the new Jan Sverak's (Oscar
holder for "Kolya") movie "Tmavomodry svet" ("Dark-blue World"), which will
open on May the 17th here.
This movie will be about the Czech RAF pilots, and, frankly, I'm looking
forward to it more than I'm looking forward to ww2ol.
From what I've seen so far it's gonna be fantastic. Don't worry, it will be
showing abroad sometime next year, but Freaky might get to see it if he
really visits us again :-)
The flight scenes they showed in the document literally made me shout "holy
shit!" (of course in Czech), unbelievable - low-level twist and turning
between trees, strafing a train and everything.
Considering how long it is since the last aviation movie was made it looks
like the advances in special effects and computer animation provide for a
very cool movie.
By the way just few quotes from the director:
"I was in a horrible position, because for this movie I wasn't only the
director but also producer. Spitfires are wonderful aircraft, but their one
flight hour costs 300 000 Crowns (about 6 000 pounds); when one of them was
coming in for landing the little boy part of me was loving the aircraft and
everything about it, while the producer part was screaming "what if he has
to go around once more and it costs me 500 pounds!" - but in the end I had
him circle once more, just couldn't help it."
There's a scene I already mentioned where the two main heroes strafe a fuel
train in France; he said: "This is not an essential scene, it just serves
as a sort of diversion before what happens next, it distracts the public.
It was the most expensive scene in the movie, costing 30 million crowns
(about 600000 quid), we blew up a real train twice - it costs the same as
making the replicas pretty much. We could've used something else, like
having the main heros go for a walk and talk, but my father (Zdenek Sverak,
the scriptwriter, also a director and acter and a person I respect
immensely) really wanted the scene in the movie. So after we finished it I
called him and said "Your train scene is done. It cost the same as "Kolya".
(Kolya is their previous movie for which Jan Sverak got an Academy Award).
He also talked about the sound of Merlin: "You know, the Spitfires have a
Rolls-Royce Merlin engine in them, with twelve pistons. It just has this
magical sound - like it is tuned to some musical tone - the first time they
flew low over our heads was just amazing.."
They used four (I think) of the Duxford Spitfires for the movie, and other
planes from all over the world. Also some unused scenes from Battle of
Brittain were used, digitally enahnced and incorporated into the scene,
simply because you can't get that many 109s and Heinkels up at the same time
anymore.
All in all, it's gonna be a blast!
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If this film is like I think it will be like, Hollywood better take notes on how to do a REAL movie, not the goofy mass-pleasing CRAP theyve been making lately.
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Originally posted by hogfarmr:
(http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/cwm/cwm/eek2.gif) wow, preview has nudity, must be a good movie.
-AKHog
Hog,
sorry about the other day, I had two system lock-ups in a row after that last kill you got and by the time I relogged you were already gone I gues..
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Otter
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LOL, np Otter. Was hoping i didnt just piss you off with all that smoke i was shooting at ya (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif).
-AKHog
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I need to visit to the Prague/Czech some weekend with my bike. Its only 360kms to north from here.
Xjazz
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Hi guys,
yesterday evening I was in cinema to see this movie.
I must say that the flying scenes are amazing but not very long. Most of massive air combat scenes comes from unused Battle of Britain movie. The old film was cleaned, retouched, recolored and special effects like smokes, tracers and hit debris were added. Also some brand new flight scenes were composed with computer created airplanes and models combined together. Further two real Spitfires Mk.I were used for flying scenes. Some of air combat scenes are the best I have ever seen (and I dare to say I have seen almost every air combat movie). Excellent shots through gunsights from airplanes attacking bombers and other fighters, with smoke tracers, hit debris and other effects. It looks amazing! Just like if you watch genuine WWII footage! I especially enjoyed the scene when two Spitfires attack fuel train in France (real train was blown up twice because of filming this scene). Through gunsight you see as first Spitfire opens fire on train, smoke tracers hit the ground, hit "sprites" are advancing into train cistern, explosion and camera flies through flame and debris. Amazing. Another similar shot from the second Spitfire attacking the locomotive. There are more similar realisticaly filmed dogfights. Very nice show! The sounds are great as well.
As I said the combat flying scenes are not very long but worth to see it. The movie is mainly about the story of two fellow pilots who escapes from occupied Czechoslovakia in 1939, life in Czech squadron RAF, love story they experienced in England and the very, very sad destiny which waited for our war pilots after communistic plot in 1948 in our own country.
Maybe you know or not but our pilots who returned home from England (and other countries they served in) after WWII were arrested in jail by communists. Why? Communists hated anybody who had any experience from western democratic countries. They even arrested some soldiers and officers who served in Russian Red Army as well! Damned bastards! I say you, I have insuperable impulse to kick someone`s communist bellybutton every time I remember this! Sorry for this politics, but I cannot help myself. That bastards did a lot, lot, lot of evil in this country. And this sad destiny is also an important part of movie. I am not sure if the story is interesting enough for Americans and other nations (except Britishers, there performs several British actors and actress in movie and longer part of film is set in England) but it is must for us. Very emotional.
Some details about movie:
Cost - 220 000 000 Czech Crowns = cca 5 500 000 $ Most expensive movie in Czech history.
The movie was prepared and filmed 5 years.
The two main characters were wearing original flying leathernecks, gloves, badges and some other details used by real Czech fighter aces in England.
3D computer models were made with Softimage/3D and Alias Power Animator software and NURBS were used instead of polygon modelling.
Computer scenes were rendered on Mental Ray software.
Photoshop was used for textures.
Old Battle of Britain film shots were altered on Inferno software.
Smokes, tracers, hit debris and some other pyrotechnic effects were partially crated by particle system of Softimage and combined with real effects shot against blue screen.
Spent shels are real ones filmed against blue screen and motion blur effect was added.
I am sure Kuba "Czech-" will write you better and more detailed review when he gets chance to go back to AGW again.
Regards,
Czpetr
249 Squadron RAF =CHQ= Tangmere Wing
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I just watched it for the 5 th time (still drooling), and I seriously HOPE this gets into the European theatres...
Saw
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Most likely it will. I remember seeing the trailer here in Spain.
Cheers,
Pepe
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Thanks Kirin!
Very intresting post!
Xjazz
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WOW
I allways knew the czechs can make movies.
I hope it comes over to the US soon,I`m sick of the Hollywood cheez.
Hey Xjazz
En is magyar vagyok,csak most californiaban lakok.Mi a neved az AH -ban, xjazz?
Jo tudni hogy magyarok is vannak itt..
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[This message has been edited by ~Caligula~ (edited 05-18-2001).]
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'nurbs were used not polygons for modeling'
Umm.. 'nurbs' generate polygons when you render an image.. I can load a 'nurb' model into Rhino (or build it there) .. and get a poly count for rendering the scene, with nothing but 'nurbs' in it.. into the thousands for a very simple shape.
Tis just a display buzzword .. smoke and mirrors.
3dMax also does nurbs modeling .. same results.
I can't wait for the day when a 'nurbs' model that generates 100k or more polys can be imported into a game environment, and work well. -probably in the next few years by the way, as fast as video processing is getting :)
The reason is it makes very smooth transitions ..for high res displays. The wingroot fairing .. leading edges of wings, etc.
-GE (who is a 'professional' .. don't try this at home, folks!)
(KIDDING .. go ahead.. try it :) . . no really!)
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OH MY GOD... can i buy a video and a how to speak Czec while you sleep tape...
xBAT
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bump for a friend to find.
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Hmm... The film is not bad (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Here in Czech republic it is actually quite popular too... Well for comercial reasons they postponed the Pearl Harbour so Im affraid that Pearl Harbour will hit our cinemas during fall... But Dark Blue World is worth seeing... The truth is that the intense air fight scenes do not make the biggest part of the movie but they are VERY WELL done and I can recomend everyone to see it! You shouldn't be dissapointed...
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