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Title: AH has the Meteor?
Post by: udet on October 09, 2003, 04:27:14 PM
what's up with that commercial about Kadesh 1956??!?!?!:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
Title: Re: AH has the Meteor?
Post by: Dennis on October 09, 2003, 04:33:05 PM
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Originally posted by udet
what's up with that commercial about Kadesh 1956??!?!?!:confused:


The sort of thing we're all too familiar with in the CT because of holes in the planeset:  Substitution, substitution, substitution.

Can you say me262 v me262?

Nevertheless ... might be ok if you're into jets.  Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Splash1
Title: AH has the Meteor?
Post by: LePaul on October 10, 2003, 11:02:13 AM
Yea, I got hook, lined and such too...so I waited and clicked the ad/link...got as far as "substitute" and closed the page.

Don't feel like playing "pretend your airplane is this"...I'll wait til we have a Meteor  :)
Title: AH has the Meteor?
Post by: snocone on October 10, 2003, 11:16:26 AM
i dont feel like flying jets. this is why i fly a WWII sim. go figure.
Title: AH has the Meteor?
Post by: Grimm on October 10, 2003, 11:50:13 AM
Come on Guys,   Dont be too hard on the Scenario Corps.

This Should be alot of Fun for those that want to fly it.  

Remember,  Its all volenteers trying to add to your Aces High experience.    The are working with what they have to bring you some variety.    

I think it might be a hoot, Plus they might have custom skins in the terain to make it look better   :)
Title: AH has the Meteor?
Post by: LePaul on October 10, 2003, 11:59:22 AM
I'm not knocking it...and by all means, have a good time.  I'm sure they have worked hard, yada yada yada...I don't think anyone has said otherwise.
Title: my question
Post by: MaddDog on October 10, 2003, 12:20:48 PM
Correct me if im wrong now cuz im not sure but, Kadesh 1956? Isnt that about 11 years after ww2 combat? If this is so guess we cant say this is JUST a ww2 flight sim, anything could happen here, IMO if this is so, id rather see planes that almost made the war then battles that happend 10 years after it, but im not sure about it all, so if im wrong then looks like it might be a fun scenerio.:confused:
Title: wow, just saw this
Post by: MaddDog on October 10, 2003, 12:26:21 PM
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There will be first time in AH scenario rescue mission.Any bailed pilot will be able to get home. Rescue plane will get to him and bring home.
 

Why cant we have this now in the MA play? Thats something ive heard alota people saying they want.
Title: AH has the Meteor?
Post by: artik on October 10, 2003, 01:55:58 PM
Ok

I'm desigener of Kadesh Scenario. Yes it is Post WWII. Why not? All of you flying at MA with mixed planset of all countries 109 ocers B17 and Mustang fights Thunderbolt is it looks like WW2 - not.
This is scenario that moves us to some different era. The things you do not know.

About planset all the planes are historical Meteor, Il-28, Mustang, Mosquito, B-17, F4U-4. Yes 262 was reskinned as Meteor (they quite similar planes in their perfomances. Il-28 close to Ar234). So what Ju88 was reskinned as Japan plane in Operation Isberg. That is usual thing that all of you must be familiar. Meteor vs Meteor - yes it was all countries involved in confict had operational Meteor - Egypt, Britan and Israel - yes it looks strange but it was.

What it opens:
Title: Re: wow, just saw this
Post by: Zanth on October 10, 2003, 02:19:48 PM
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Originally posted by MaddDog
Why cant we have this now in the MA play? Thats something ive heard alota people saying they want.


Then we could kill the rescue plane and shoot the chute too?  Cool! :)
Title: Re: my question
Post by: Guppy35 on October 10, 2003, 02:32:02 PM
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Originally posted by MaddDog
Correct me if im wrong now cuz im not sure but, Kadesh 1956? Isnt that about 11 years after ww2 combat? If this is so guess we cant say this is JUST a ww2 flight sim, anything could happen here, IMO if this is so, id rather see planes that almost made the war then battles that happend 10 years after it, but im not sure about it all, so if im wrong then looks like it might be a fun scenerio.:confused:


One of the Scenarios we were working on before Airwarrior died was the Soccer War between Honduras and El Salvador in 1969 that involved their Air Forces made up of A26s, P51Ds and F4Us.  The opening bombing raid was made by a modified C47.

We thought it would be about as even as it could be since both sides had the same rides.

Point being, WW2 aircraft were flying combat long after the 39-45 timeframe :)

Dan/Slack
Title: Re: Re: wow, just saw this
Post by: artik on October 10, 2003, 02:37:15 PM
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Originally posted by Zanth
Then we could kill the rescue plane and shoot the chute too?  Cool! :)

No you will not be able shoot chutes it is forbidden by Zeneva Convention. :lol that is for all who shootes chutes!
Title: AH has the Meteor?
Post by: Hening on October 10, 2003, 04:24:34 PM
When you're a jet you're a jet all the way,
 from ME262 to the Meteor..yay!!!!

Hey LePaul..chill out.  Summer is only about a year away up there.  Them Bangor pilots get wicked grumpy in October when there's only sunlight for two or three hour :rofl

Your coffee and polka pal......
Title: AH has the Meteor?
Post by: Flossy on October 10, 2003, 04:55:25 PM
Yes, the next scenario is well after WW2;  if you don't like the idea, then there is no need to sign up for it.  However, one of the best scenarios I ever took part in was Korea51 in AW.  I was apprehensive at first, but it ended up most enjoyable, and I don't see why Kadesh can't be just as much fun as that was.  Yes there will be substitutions, but does it really matter?  :)
Title: AH has the Meteor?
Post by: mrblack on October 10, 2003, 05:08:19 PM
Looks Like fun.
Gald to see that there some people that take the time to make this game a little more fun for us all THX:D
Title: AH has the Meteor?
Post by: Guppy35 on October 10, 2003, 05:28:54 PM
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Originally posted by Flossy
Yes, the next scenario is well after WW2;  if you don't like the idea, then there is no need to sign up for it.  However, one of the best scenarios I ever took part in was Korea51 in AW.  I was apprehensive at first, but it ended up most enjoyable, and I don't see why Kadesh can't be just as much fun as that was.  Yes there will be substitutions, but does it really matter?  :)


Yep Flossy that was a fun one.  Nothing better then getting Mig15s to auger when they'd dive on our ground pounding F51Ds cruising along on the deck :)

Dan/Slack
Title: AH has the Meteor?
Post by: LePaul on October 11, 2003, 12:08:01 AM
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Originally posted by Hening
When you're a jet you're a jet all the way,
 from ME262 to the Meteor..yay!!!!

Hey LePaul..chill out.  Summer is only about a year away up there.  Them Bangor pilots get wicked grumpy in October when there's only sunlight for two or three hour :rofl

Your coffee and polka pal......


LOL....well Hello Michael

Maybe I need to drink more of that ultra cheap "Bluebeard's Grind" coffee we used to feed uptight executives.

Drop a note sometime bd5pilot at yahoo dot com  Heard from AJ recently.

Now where is that tuba solo I so enjoy...must be next to my Saturday Night Live CD...  :rofl
Title: AH has the Meteor?
Post by: Pooh21 on October 11, 2003, 08:19:06 AM
whats that funky smiley french insignia in the Kadesh banner?
Title: AH has the Meteor?
Post by: artik on October 11, 2003, 09:08:44 AM
First Read the rules:

Secondly it is not Smily is is Franch Navy Marking
4 countries involved in Kadesh War:
Title: AH has the Meteor?
Post by: straffo on October 11, 2003, 09:10:35 AM
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Originally posted by Pooh21
whats that funky smiley french insignia in the Kadesh banner?


It's for the french Navy planes.
Title: AH has the Meteor?
Post by: moot on October 11, 2003, 11:37:10 AM
it's an anchor.
Title: Time?
Post by: kamori on October 11, 2003, 11:44:09 AM
When does this happen ?
Title: AH has the Meteor?
Post by: artik on October 11, 2003, 11:51:57 AM
What do you mean - Kadesh - Suez Campaign?

It was in 1956 at Middle East over Sinai, For most of western people it is known like Suez Campaign and Operation Musketeer - the Anglo/French coalition operation.

The breff storry you can find by pressing at Banner - Inroduction section in Scenario description
Title: AH has the Meteor?
Post by: GRUNHERZ on October 11, 2003, 11:55:41 AM
How bout we fudge history a bit and have the IAF break out some Avia 199s from museum storage for this one...  :)
Title: AH has the Meteor?
Post by: artik on October 11, 2003, 12:27:04 PM
If you want Indepandence war 1948 IAF history visit 101 Squadron site (http://www.101squadron.com/)
Title: AH has the Meteor?
Post by: GRUNHERZ on October 11, 2003, 04:14:54 PM
Thanks artik, it's a great link!

If you dont mind me asking, how do Israelis feel about a Messerschmitt Bf109 derivative playing such a vital role in your nations birth after the Holocaust?
Title: AH has the Meteor?
Post by: artik on October 11, 2003, 05:45:35 PM
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Thanks artik, it's a great link!

If you dont mind me asking, how do Israelis feel about a Messerschmitt Bf109 derivative playing such a vital role in your nations birth after the Holocaust?

Good question:

Title: AH has the Meteor?
Post by: bozon on October 11, 2003, 09:41:12 PM
cool,
do we also get to cut comunication wires with the mustang's wings and prop? :)
That's pretty much all they did as far as i know.

Didn't the egyptians have tempests as well?

Bozon
Title: AH has the Meteor?
Post by: Citabria on October 11, 2003, 11:18:18 PM
looks like fun :D
Title: AH has the Meteor?
Post by: artik on October 12, 2003, 12:19:47 AM
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Originally posted by bozon
cool,
do we also get to cut comunication wires with the mustang's wings and prop? :)
That's pretty much all they did as far as i know.

Didn't the egyptians have tempests as well?

Bozon

Good knowlege anbut Suec Campaign. I thought about cutting comunication wires but it is impossible to do this in AH.

No Egyptinas do not have Tempests - in 1956 they hadn't used prop planes. They had good Jets thet could do this work pretty well. They had Vampire, MiG-15, and Il-28 that could do this job well. Unfortunatly we do not have plane in AH that can simulate Vampire of MiG-15. By the way if IAF had more strike Jets they also wouldn't used Mustangs in Kadesh war. IAF lost a lot of Mustangs because of Anti Aircraft Artellery.....
EAF has excelent fast good loaded strike Jet Il-28 (Ar234) so it is not need to add soem non historicl planes.
Title: AH has the Meteor?
Post by: Furball on October 12, 2003, 05:54:31 AM
Lets have operation iraqi freedom setup instead!

With the following aircraft:-

F-15 (unavailable : susbstitute Me262)
F-16 (unavailable : susbstitute Me262)
F-18 (unavailable : susbstitute Me262)
Tornado (unavailable : susbstitute Me262)
Harrier (unavailable : susbstitute Me262)
Mig-29 (unavailable : susbstitute Me262)
Ultra Fast Mig-25! (unavailable : susbstitute La7)
A-10 (unavailable : susbstitute IL2)
C-5 (unavailable : susbstitute err... Goon!)

Will be great fun! wide varied planeset too!!


jk. with you, its different and sounds like it could be a blast! shame we do not have meteor modelled in AH anyway.
Title: AH has the Meteor?
Post by: artik on October 12, 2003, 06:08:50 AM
Verry funny :( Meteor is close to Me262 - speeds, ammo, manuver etc. Il-28 - close to Ar234 (by the way they used some Ardo indes in Il-28).
F-15s
F-16s ???? Sorry it is too far from................
I'd like to have F4E and MiG 21 in AH but I don't think that will be soon - maybe Jet Aces Hight - someday
Title: AH has the Meteor?
Post by: Furball on October 12, 2003, 06:12:49 AM
Artik, i was just joking.

As i said - your setup sounds like fun.  Will be a nice change from the usual combat we get here.
Title: AH has the Meteor?
Post by: artik on October 12, 2003, 06:17:02 AM
By the way Iraq freedom not first Idea but setup little bit different
USAF:
F16, F16, F18, A-10 etc ..- Me262
US Army - Tiger, Panzer
Iraq:
M3

:lol
Title: AH has the Meteor?
Post by: Flossy on October 12, 2003, 06:46:19 AM
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Yep Flossy that was a fun one.  Nothing better then getting Mig15s to auger when they'd dive on our ground pounding F51Ds cruising along on the deck :)
Yeah, Slack.... I'll never forget accidentally announcing on channel 1 the fact I was taking off in a B17 and giving the field location..... :o  Sure enough, within minutes of rolling an F86 came in to attack me.  With no self-gunning or gunners on board, my only option was to stay low and keep turning.... after a couple of passes I felt a great deal of satisfaction seeing the F86 auger into the ground.  I landed and took off from another field.  :)
Title: AH has the Meteor?
Post by: Furball on October 12, 2003, 06:49:28 AM
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Originally posted by artik
By the way Iraq freedom not first Idea but setup little bit different
USAF:
F16, F16, F18, A-10 etc ..- Me262
US Army - Tiger, Panzer
Iraq:
M3

:lol


lol! :lol
Title: AH has the Meteor?
Post by: Rutilant on October 12, 2003, 06:53:32 AM
Furby, you just sit here clicking refresh every 5 seconds? (like me)
Title: AH has the Meteor?
Post by: Furball on October 12, 2003, 07:09:15 AM
no, i was sitting here waiting for England rugby to start (just started now)
Title: AH has the Meteor?
Post by: Rino on October 12, 2003, 07:47:25 AM
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Originally posted by Furball
Lets have operation iraqi freedom setup instead!

With the following aircraft:-

F-15 (unavailable : susbstitute Me262)
F-16 (unavailable : susbstitute Me262)
F-18 (unavailable : susbstitute Me262)
Tornado (unavailable : susbstitute Me262)
Harrier (unavailable : susbstitute Me262)
Mig-29 (unavailable : susbstitute Me262)
Ultra Fast Mig-25! (unavailable : susbstitute La7)
A-10 (unavailable : susbstitute IL2)
C-5 (unavailable : susbstitute err... Goon!)

Will be great fun! wide varied planeset too!!


jk. with you, its different and sounds like it could be a blast! shame we do not have meteor modelled in AH anyway.


     I'm for any scenario where we get to bury LA-7s in the desert:D

     Rino
Title: AH has the Meteor?
Post by: Hening on October 13, 2003, 09:34:58 AM
Star Wars Snap-Shot

Map - A Galaxy Far, Far Away

Empire - 50%
TIE Interceptor - Substitute ME262 15%
TIE Escort Carrier - Substitute JU88 10%
Death Star - Substitute B17 "Cluster" 75%

(Restrictions - B17s must stay in wing to wing formation and travel > 150MPH )

Rebels - 50%
X- Wing Fighter - Substitute ME 163 75%
B- Wing Fighter - Substitute YAK 9T 15%
MC-80m Star Cruiser - Substitue B26 "Cluster" 10%

(Restrictions - B26s must stay wing to wing and travel >170MPH)

Victory conditions -
Destroy the Death Star (35% or more B-17s) 100 points
Destroy the MC-80m Start Cruiser - 40 points
All fighters, cruiser, carriers 10 points

All bails are considered vacummed
Anyone making Chewbacca sounds over radio are disqulaified
Empire C/O must wear trash bucket over their head and breath heavy when speaking on radio
All vacummed player must stay in-tower and sing Star Wars themes over radio during remainder of play

May the warp be with you.........
Title: AH has the Meteor?
Post by: Flossy on October 13, 2003, 09:43:06 AM
ROFL Hening!  :rofl
Title: AH has the Meteor?
Post by: artik on October 13, 2003, 10:38:28 AM
Star Wars :( Very Funny
Title: AH has the Meteor?
Post by: LePaul on October 13, 2003, 01:14:03 PM
Perk Ewoks
:p
Title: AH has the Meteor?
Post by: gofaster on October 13, 2003, 01:48:02 PM
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Originally posted by artik
Ok

I'm desigener of Kadesh Scenario. ... This is scenario that moves us to some different era. The things you do not know.

About planset all the planes are historical Meteor, Il-28, Mustang, Mosquito, B-17, F4U-4. Yes 262 was reskinned as Meteor (they quite similar planes in their perfomances. Il-28 close to Ar234). ... Meteor vs Meteor - yes it was all countries involved in confict had operational Meteor - Egypt, Britan and Israel - yes it looks strange but it was.

What it opens:
  • First Jet vs Jet expirience - have you ever fight 262 vs 262 - it is really imazing!
  • Rescue mission - that thing had never done before
  • Trying to represent something different from well known WWII.
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I like it!  Its times like this that I wish AH had what AW had - the MiG 17 and F86 Sabre.
Title: AH has the Meteor?
Post by: artik on October 13, 2003, 01:59:54 PM
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I like it! Its times like this that I wish AH had what AW had - the MiG 17 and F86 Sabre.


Of course the event would be better if there were also  Vampire, MiG-15,  Dassalt Myster IV, Dassalt Uragan , but......... it is still AH

If there were Jet Aces High it would be nice.
Title: AH has the Meteor?
Post by: muckmaw on October 13, 2003, 02:17:27 PM
Event sounds like fun.

What time is it in EASTERN STANDARD? Was that 8pm on Saturdays?

Rescue sounds great, but:

-No chute shooting - any bailed pilot can get safely to the ground will not be attacked while waiting for rescue.  (Kinda weak, but I can understand a concession here, as the pilot has no way of hiding)
D3A1 (Rescue) can open fire, if fired upon.
Fighter aircraft can open fire on D3A1 if fired upon by D3A1.(So we can't shoot down a rescue plane unless it opens fire first???)

PS...REALLY GREAT IDEA TO HAVE RESCUES! This is the sole reason I want to play, but I need to know what time.
Title: AH has the Meteor?
Post by: artik on October 13, 2003, 02:27:59 PM
Ok exectly time I still don't know - ask on Kadesh Forum
No chute shooting, Rescue plane has Red Cross on its wing - all this - Convention of Zeneva, But rescue it might be killed by field ACS. So it is not so easy
Title: AH has the Meteor?
Post by: Nefarious on October 13, 2003, 08:27:05 PM
1500 EST is 3PM Eastern.
Title: AH has the Meteor?
Post by: FUNKED1 on October 14, 2003, 12:36:15 PM
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Originally posted by Hening
Star Wars Snap-Shot

Map - A Galaxy Far, Far Away

Empire - 50%
TIE Interceptor - Substitute ME262 15%
TIE Escort Carrier - Substitute JU88 10%
Death Star - Substitute B17 "Cluster" 75%

(Restrictions - B17s must stay in wing to wing formation and travel > 150MPH )

Rebels - 50%
X- Wing Fighter - Substitute ME 163 75%
B- Wing Fighter - Substitute YAK 9T 15%
MC-80m Star Cruiser - Substitue B26 "Cluster" 10%

(Restrictions - B26s must stay wing to wing and travel >170MPH)

Victory conditions -
Destroy the Death Star (35% or more B-17s) 100 points
Destroy the MC-80m Start Cruiser - 40 points
All fighters, cruiser, carriers 10 points

All bails are considered vacummed
Anyone making Chewbacca sounds over radio are disqulaified
Empire C/O must wear trash bucket over their head and breath heavy when speaking on radio
All vacummed player must stay in-tower and sing Star Wars themes over radio during remainder of play

May the warp be with you.........


I would re-subscribe for this.  :D
Title: AH has the Meteor?
Post by: Arlo on October 14, 2003, 12:42:30 PM
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Originally posted by artik


If there were Jet Aces High it would be nice.


I've got a better chance selling "AHII:Spain" than you do selling "AHII:Jets." :D
Title: AH has the Meteor?
Post by: udet on October 14, 2003, 02:46:36 PM
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Originally posted by Arlo
I've got a better chance selling "AHII:Spain" than you do selling "AHII:Jets." :D



umm...Fiat CR42=?
          I15=?
          I16=?
          He51=?
          Ju52 as bomber=?
Title: AH has the Meteor?
Post by: Arlo on October 14, 2003, 06:43:13 PM
Not "subbing", silly twit .. "selling!" As in HiTech ... model me an F-16! ... vs ... HiTech ... model me an I-16! ;)