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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: F1Bomber on October 10, 2003, 12:35:35 AM
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For example this picture
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/images/ah2ss/6.jpg)
Now Look close at the tail of the spitfire, what do you see? Yes its bumpmaping on the aircraft. The new aircraft in aces high 2 will have bumpmapping, increasing the quality and also look of the new aircraft. Just Imagin, having bullets holes with bump maping.
Do you think with the new Half Life 2 review of ATI and nvidia, cards with directX9 that hitech is having the same problem. Seeing that Half Life 2, engine uses directX9 and the best nvidia fx card only got around about 26fps in half life 2 benchmark, when the ati 9600 got about 42 fps and is half the price of nvidia best card. Just wondering if this is the same problem that hitech is facing in his development of aces high 2. That current fx nvidia cards cannot keep up with directx9 and as such, customers will have to upgrade there cards to ati 9600 or hitech has to use only directx8 for nvidia customers?
Even the requirements for aces high 2 have shifted from a 5200 nvidia card to a 9600 ati card from Hitech. This is what i read about when reading the forms on what card to get for aces high 2.
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Dont worry about HT, he can handle with that:)
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looks more like higher texture resolution than bump mapping; the panel lines near the shadows should show the additional shade from the b.m.'s bevel effect, but I don't think I see any.
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After one year of development, it would be nice to take a look at more and better screenshots with some FSAA and AF on as well ... :rolleyes:
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Ermm, last I heard hitech said AH2 would only need a a geforce 2.
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Ben, hitech's specs were listed as a geforce2 or similar and a p3 900 or similar.
F1Bomber, I don't see the bump-mapping, but rather high-res texturing. Given the above benchmarking system, HTC cannot possibly be relying on dx9 functionality as the cards do not support it. Further, as development on AH2 began prior to the release/testing/acceptance of dx9, I can't imagine that the developers decided in the middle of the engine development to scrap what they had and start from scratch again to utilize dx9.
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IIRC, the GeF2 series should be able to run AH2 at medium/low graphic settings. GF3, GF4, FX and Radeons should be able to show much better effects (shadows, smoke, explosions, clouds, sun ...).
At least I hope so .... really.
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I think they would only use bumpmapping for the new damage effects, which i havnt seen anything of yet, But I have heard about so much.
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Originally posted by BenDover
Ermm, last I heard hitech said AH2 would only need a a geforce 2.
as minimum ?
GF2 32 MB is allmost not enought to fly 1024x768 with good framerate
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I got a geforce 2 and i get about 100 fps.
System.
AMD XP 1900
RAM 256 2700 .
Operating system: Windows LongHorn
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really? 32 MB? did you try atack large bomber formations? or drop bombs flying buffs?;)
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Why do i think he's lying? I get 20fps on average with
geforce FX 5200 128mb, 224 megs SD ram, and a P3 500..
Too big a difference IMO.
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Originally posted by F1Bomber
I got a geforce 2 and i get about 100 fps.
System.
AMD XP 1900
RAM 256 2700 .
Operating system: Windows LongHorn
:rofl
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http://www.bushtech.com.au/Chads/proof/Proof.html
Can i say more!
yes. :rofl
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Well ****!:eek:
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Originally posted by Rutilant
Why do i think he's lying? I get 20fps on average with
geforce FX 5200 128mb, 224 megs SD ram, and a P3 500..
Too big a difference IMO.
Because longhorn is still in the planning stage?
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Yup :)
nice os LongHorn.
But thats all i will say.
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Originally posted by moot
looks more like higher texture resolution than bump mapping; the panel lines near the shadows should show the additional shade from the b.m.'s bevel effect, but I don't think I see any.
AH II does use bump mapping ... it will be a settable option from what HT showed us at the con. Don't know enough about it to tell whether he has it switched on or off for this screen shot .
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Just in reply to the bump maping that i have started this crazy thread on.
I have found that viewing the screen shots with different monitors give different kinds of effects. For this reason i must say .
That Until aces high 2 comes out, we cannot really judge the screen shots. Because of degraded of quality from the compression utilitys like jpeg as such.
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Originally posted by F1Bomber
http://www.bushtech.com.au/Chads/proof/Proof.html
Can i say more!
yes. :rofl
How come AH thinks your geforce 2 (64 megs, right?) is a 128 meg card?
(http://www.bushtech.com.au/Chads/proof/ahss12.jpg)
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i have a gforce 2 mx 440 (64mb) on one of my computer...runs the game at 80fps at 1024*768...drops down to 20-40 when near big things...geforce 2 is more than enough
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Originally posted by F1Bomber
http://www.bushtech.com.au/Chads/proof/Proof.html
Can i say more!
yes. :rofl
Yeah but show us some pictures in an Main Arena setting with several hundred people on and you flying and not sitting in a tower. Maybe then I would lean towards believing your "proof".
Also why is your OS showing as:
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System Information
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Time of this report: 10/12/2003, 18:26:44
Machine name: SUNMICRO
Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) (2600.xpclient.010817-1148)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: n/a
System Model: n/a
BIOS: Award Modular BIOS v6.0
Processor: AMD Athlon(TM) XP 1900+, MMX, 3DNow, ~1.6GHz
Memory: 256MB RAM
Page File: 193MB used, 341MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0b (4.09.0000.0902)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
DxDiag Version: 5.03.0001.0902 32bit Unicode
Thanks
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sigh.
I run one machine with dual boot, windows xp and windows long horn installed. so I decided to use the Xp Pro for the benchmark because its more real to life what most people would have. I mainly do some work in longhorn, and i put it down as the OS because i use it now and then. Also to say its a nice os.
Anyway, i can change my chip memory size by going into the bios, its just put onto that setting and i havent changed it because i am lazy.
Finaly for people who say i should dive into 100 cons and stuff. Well firstly, the original post said
Why do i think he's lying? I get 20fps on average with
i wasnt lying. Anyway, data has been given.
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http://www.bushtech.com.au/Chads/proof/Proof.html
Check it out again, for those people who want me around some guys when taking the screen shot here it is.
I see no real point continue this debat about what fps i get really! Does it really matter?
Going onto more important stuff. Basicaly if your computer system cannot get the bandwidth required to your graphics card. You will never use 100% of your graphics card. It will mainly be waiting for your system to send it information or data to it. Now more advanaced cards, actualy take away the work load from the cpu. For example, this is the reason why when upgrading from a geforce 2 to a geforce 3, that you will notice a slight increase in fps. Mainly 2 reasons why. Much better programing in the hardware that allows it to comunicate better with your system as a whole. Also the fact that most new cards will do more processing on the card itself than let the cpu handel it.
I havent started programing Video card with my computer course at Univercity. That is all done down to the assembly level, no higher languages required.
Well its been fun, got to get some sleep.
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how are you using a windows OS that hasent even entered the alpha test stage???
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I had a GeForce2 GTS 32MB card that routinely got me no less than 50-60fps in AH up until I swapped it out for the GF4 Ti440 I have now. That was on an Athlon 700Mhz and my old AMD T-bird 1.4GHz as well.
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Originally posted by Arlo
How come AH thinks your geforce 2 (64 megs, right?) is a 128 meg card?
It doesn't think it's a 128meg. What looks like is happening is that AH is reserving 64megs of your system RAM and adding it to 'resource' pool of available video RAM.
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Well that's amazing. I should just upgrade my ram then and forget about upgrading my video card. :D
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Fortunately AH2 isn't going to be as system intensive, at least that's the word on the grapevine (yes, terrible pun intended). So instead of a complete system upgrade, upgrading your video card might be all that's needed.
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Arlo i would recommend holding off from buying anythink until aces high 2 comes out.
When aces high 2 does come out. Take your local computer down to a computer store, and say that your intrested in buying hardware off them. But you need hardware to actualy make the game play good. Show them the game, and the frame rates. Then ask them what equipment may or maynot help in the frame rate department. Normaly i found that computer stores are more than happy to swap ram and video cards in and out of your system, finding the best configuration. It saves you money and also it makes them a profit.
The solution above is the best choice i think. Firstly they will have more understanding of your system than you do and can simply point out what needs to be replaced. If the computer store doesnt want to help you out, take your businesses elsewere. Also, its good to show them the cash that you are expecting to puchase the hardware for. This will also add a bonus to your side, because they wont think your a con man!
Well i used this proccess, but i also knew the people at the computer store, so that was also a bonus.
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I wouldn't trust my "local store" to know squat about upgrading my pc, actually. Besides ... no swapping involved here ... just adding. :D
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My old geforce2mx 32 meg card gave me solid 40-50fps in decent sized fights.
The only time it dropped down below 30 was over a smoking base with alot of cons around.
I just ordered a 9600 to replace it, hopefully it'll handle ah2.
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i wouldent trust my local computer store to drop a 56k modem into the machine...
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I wouldn't trust my local computer store to know what a computer is.
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Originally posted by Arlo
I wouldn't trust my "local store" to know squat about upgrading my pc, actually. Besides ... no swapping involved here ... just adding. :D
Besides, there's always those exiles on that other board that can always bail you out when you eventually connect it wrong and blow the fuse to your house. Just as good as the local store and we get a good laugh as a bonus.
ack-ack
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Geez .. are we ALL A+ certified? :D
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Not yet;)
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GL. A+ ain't too bad but those other certs can be a mother.
:)