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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: CMC Airboss on October 10, 2003, 02:09:22 PM
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At the end of the show on friday, Rush announced a 30 day drug rehabilitation treatment plan to help break a pain killer addiction.
airboss
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Can happen to anyone.
I hope he recovers and that he will learn something and maybe change his policy views in this area.
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I hope he recovers and that he will learn something and maybe change his policy views in this area.
he'll recover, I doubt he will learn anything from it though. he's not exactly known for an open mind.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Can happen to anyone.
I hope he recovers and that he will learn something and maybe change his policy views in this area.
Yep, although I loath Rush, being a former addict myself I sincerly hope he can kick his problem....it ain't easy.
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^ We'll see.
He most likely already knows what they will teach him there. Oxi cotton is a tough one to kick. It's like quitting morphine. I wish him well. I know for me 28 days in rehab saved my life and was the best/smartest thing I ever did. I hope he made the decision based on his addiction in stead of staying out of legal trouble.....
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I'm not surprised. His show is not nearly as funny as it was ten years ago.
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I do wonder if jail time would have been a more enlightening, hands-on experience in American justice and the War on Drugs for the man.
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^ you may get your wish. He said the cops are doing an investigation.
Pretty damn strong of him today to come out and say it. That took some testicular fortitude for him to admit that to his 20 million person audience. I'm proud of him. When I read it on drudge last week I had a feeling it was true. The last year or 2 I've noticed him taking a lot more days off than he used to and when the story came out, he didn't deny it, he said he couldn't talk about it yet.
Nice [cough] liberal [/cough] attitude there earl. His hard times generally make you happy don't they....
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Nice [cough] liberal [/cough] attitude there earl. His hard times generally make you happy don't they....
Well, to be fair, Udie, Rush has never been one to express sympathy for others in a difficult situation, like, say, a single mother on welfare. Why should you expect anyone to show sympathy for him?
Rush reaps what he sows.
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So when Rush was accusing Hillary Clinton of murder in the Vince Foster suicide, how gouad out was he?
In 1999 when Rush was calling United States Armed Forces natizo during the Kosovo intervention, did he say that between nods?
When he said Clinton was worse than a bank robber for lying about hummers -- was that the drugs talking?..
Everything Rush told you in the last ten years was told to you by a stone junky. Maybe he should take his own advise about drug abusers, lock em’ up and throw away the key. Oh yeah that’s only for democrat drug users or minority drug abusers.
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hehe banana I don't expect much from or of liberals :) most of the ones I know anyway. You and a few others I respect but I know too many in my personal life and they are all pretty much deginerates.
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While I hope he heals and kicks the habbit, his credibility took a salvo of torpedoes.
I, too, recall his show being a lot funnier in the past. Maybe this is the >reboot< he and his life need to bring it back that way. While I agree with Rush on many items, he aloofness left me hard pressed to listen to his entire show. Its one thing to beleive what you say and commentate on the news of the day...its another to come off as a know-it-all 24/7
Sadly, he's getting a lot of the "kettle, black, hot" glare from many...and deservedly so.
Anyways, hope he heals and recovers.
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He didn't parse words or make denials. I'll give him that.
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Why do I think that if Al Franken admitted a similar problem he would be praised as a great man for wanting to change for the better?
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I am not a big Rush fan, and I think wishing prison on a guy who got addicted to medication is pretty low.
Jeez you guys hate him so much you wish prison on him, so drug rehab is only for good lib crack heads?
I think Rush is wrong about drugs, I thing they should be decriminalised, and people should be treated instead of sent to jail, and yeah that would apply to ANYONE including all franken or Gray davis or George Bush.
Do you guys who hate this guy enough to wish harm on him work that way with everyone you do not like/agree with?
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I hope he kicks the habit, so he can be a sober idiot.
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Limbaughs dialogue is suffering because the repubs are in power and he has little to b*tch about. He is at his best and most efficent when liberals are in power and all morality is challenged.
As for pain killers, been there done that. If I had his wealth I would probably be addicted to em too as I have chronic back pain. Love that percocit. Wonderful narcotic. Had a wonderful dose of narcotics last year due to pain caused from fractured sternum sustained in a car accident. I can definately see where Percocit could easily become addictive long after the pain is gone.
erlkonig I agree, if he has broken the law he should suffer the consequences like any other.
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If this were Al Franken, you would have some people relishing his misfortune and others supporting him -- just like you see with Rush.
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Go Rush!
Rush is the victim here. No doubt the pusher was a liberal Democrat - she was minority too. There it is a conspiracy.
I can empathize with his back pain. That's a good execuse to break the law. At least it's better than being an urban proverty stricken teenager living in the ghetto with a crack using mother on wellfare, sister knocked up, father in jail, dead or missing - there's no excuse for those people.
Rush has a legit excuse - he has back pain.
What were Rush's famous words for drug users? "Lock em up and throw away the key."
Fortunately he has the wherewithall to find, aford, and get into rehabilitation.
Rush is a republican... he'll pay a fine, do some community service, and be a rehabilitated man.
Republican's practices Trickle Down Drug Economics. Pay the pusher, pusher pays the middleman supplier, supplier pays the grower (ok in this case the guy that prescribes or steals the drugs). There's a few thugs in there that kill people - no worries just a part of doing business.
I wonder how many crimes were financed with Rush's drug money?
Wonder how many other people were addicted as a result of Rush's support of his supplier.
Ah doesn't matter as long as a few jobs were created.
Wait a minute... this is about Rush,. who is the victim, who because of unbearable back pain was duped into leading a life of crime and hypocrisy.
Now I understand why I never understood Rush's rhetoric...
he was on drugs!
Ergo... Bush's rhetoric... I wonder if those coke snorting stories of young Mr. Bush are true... makes one wonder submininanabbbly.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
I am not a big Rush fan, and I think wishing prison on a guy who got addicted to medication is pretty low.
Why, he wouldn't say it about another drug addict? Shoot, he has made a living from saying it. It's funny when things come full circle.
He who lives in glass houses................
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I've always said Rush was only entertainment...so, being in the entertainment business, does this surprise anyone? Its full of drug addicts.
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Originally posted by CMC Airboss
At the end of the show on friday, Rush announced a 30 day drug rehabilitation treatment plan to help break a pain killer addiction.
airboss
Who cares?
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Rush set himself up for this. What would he be saying if the same thing happened to Al Franken and not him?
Main Entry: hyp·o·crite
Pronunciation: 'hi-p&-"krit
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English ypocrite, from Old French, from Late Latin hypocrita, from Greek hypokritEs actor, hypocrite, from hypokrinesthai
Date: 13th century
: a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
- hypocrite adjective
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Wow. OC's(oxi contin?) come in two different pills, 40's(one dose) and 80's(larger dose). 40's are 40 bucks, 80's are eighty bucks.( I could be wrong). Now I see why pharmacies are being robbed.
I'm told one of these pills is equal to 16 percocet(16!)
Scary.
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lockem up and throw away the key!
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There are lots of people sitting in jail for simple possession of oxycontin. It is a problem and all the states can offer is jail for them (at least in my state). Rehab is not available. There is some drug counseling in the prisons but presently there is a 2YEAR WAIT because resources are so limited. The guys doing a few months for possession in the jail get nothing for treatment. Despite the fact that treatment dollars are 7 times more effective than money spent on jail.
That being said, the law is the law and it is that way because of people like Rush Limbaugh.
So it turns out he is just another hypocrite. Big suprise. Is everyone ready to coddle him because he is an "addict?" He is a CRIMINAL too you know. He broke the law, every day for years. I personally do not agree with those laws, but the Right Wing that Rush is so eager and willing to be the spokesperson for have directly hindered any decriminalization or treatment before incarceration. The federal laws are even stricter than most states.
He doesnt get full points for his confession because he is claiming he is still in pain. If he was still in pain he would have a prescription for it. God knows he could afford health care. No, he is backing and filling already. Not suprising though, most criminals do that don't they?
I feel for people in his situation but I have little compassion for him personally. He cold gain respect for himself by spearheading a legalization or decriminalization campaign. Somehow I doubt it.
strk
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I wonder how many crimes were financed with Rush's drug money?
not to mention the terrorism
strk
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Originally posted by Udie
^ you may get your wish. He said the cops are doing an investigation.
Pretty damn strong of him today to come out and say it. That took some testicular fortitude for him to admit that to his 20 million person audience. I'm proud of him. When I read it on drudge last week I had a feeling it was true. The last year or 2 I've noticed him taking a lot more days off than he used to and when the story came out, he didn't deny it, he said he couldn't talk about it yet.
Nice [cough] liberal [/cough] attitude there earl. His hard times generally make you happy don't they....
I like Rush and am a big time Rep. but I have to wonder if he would have admitted this and went into rehab if he was never cought.
Kind late to slam the barn door shut after the horse is gone and died of old age.
just a question. I am really pissed at Rush for waiting untill he was cought, I don't think he would have ever admited or changed if he was not found out.
JMHO
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Originally posted by strk
[B. He cold gain respect for himself by spearheading a legalization or decriminalization campaign. Somehow I doubt it.
strk [/B]
LOL, yeah, decriminalizing all drugs would solve America's problems. LOL! Thats sig material.
The day the US decriminalizes drugs is the day I go back to college and get a PHD in rehab.
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I agree with you all that it is a crime, and he is a hypocryte now....but its funny how sooooo many librals who seek rehabilitation for drug abusers are now seeking jail time for rush....that to me is also a hypocracy...one thing is for sure...the investigaion will tell
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decriminalizing all drugs would solve America's problems
well the present system isnt working that great, and I dont hear any ideas coming from you.
I never said it would solve anything. Dont put words in my mouth. There is just no sense treating junkies like criminals when rehab works better than jail. Cheaper too. I guess you'd rather just build more jails.
And I believe that your Libertarian cousins are for it, some strains even believe that it is a persons responsibility what they put into their bodies, and not the state to tell them otherwise.
I think what we have today is a fear that the economy and the jobs will increase during Bushs tenure, I do believe that people actually want it (the economic conditions and employment) to fail out of being purely self-centered because of politics. Sad isn't it? - Ripsnort
now THAT is Sig line material
strk
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and he is a hypocryte now
no. He always was. He has been doing drugs for years and has been preaching to jail drug abusers for years. He doens become a hipocrite when he gets caught, he gets EXPOSED for the hipocrite he already is.
strk
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So everyone is clear about the accuser that claims the OxyContin was obtained illegally, her story was so bullet proof that the article broke in the National Enquirer. Saying the word "black" put enough scrutiny on him to raise a two-bit rag story to national proportions.
In addition to the long rehabilitation and subsequent investigations, Rush is going to have to face a gauntlet of accusers who want nothing more than to absolutely destroy him for his political opinions. It is going to be a tough road ahead and I, for one, wish him the best of luck.
airboss
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I think its highly illuminating that no one has illustrated the fact that there is a huge difference between someone fully wanting to put a needle in one's arm and another, who do to some health problem, is prescribed a highly-addictive narcotic. Rush didn't choose to take this medication from a ground zero stand point, he had mitigating factors that preceded and initiated his taking the medicine.
None of us here are perfect, most of us have had severe pain stemming from some sort of physical trauma. I scoffed at vicodin addicts for YEARS until I broke my hand this summer. Vicodin was the most addictive drug I have ever taken, I can completely see why someone would want to stay on them. But to compare a heroin addict who CHOOSES to be one and someone who has become addicted do to circumstances (and, no, poverty is not a good excuse for dope heads) out of his or her control is myopic.
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well said diablo
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Rush is a tool and a hypocritical liar..... that being said, I refuse to use this against him. Good luck to you Rush.
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Regardless of political background, I always wish anyone going thru breaking an addiction good luck. Well said MIG (and diablo)
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Rush didn't choose to take this medication from a ground zero stand point, he had mitigating factors that preceded and initiated his taking the medicine.
And thus the spin begins.
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Originally posted by rpm371
And thus the spin begins.
So, you've never taken anything for pain? Had a perfect back? Body?
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hehe banana I don't expect much from or of liberals most of the ones I know anyway. You and a few others I respect but I know too many in my personal life and they are all pretty much deginerates.
most people are pretty much degenerates, most conservatives just spend more effort hiding it.
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Rip, I have taken pain meds. I had some WONDERFUL little triangular pills after a car wreck...can't remember the name but they started with an "X' I think...Point being, and anyone who's ever been to a "Drug Rehab" meeting will tell you, the second he stopped taking them as the Doctor prescribed they ceased being a "medication". He took them by conscious decision and must now face the concequences society mandates. He could have told the Doctor the meds weren't working, if that was the case, and an alternative pain therapy would have been prescribed. He CHOSE not to do that. The whole "victim of circumstance" arguement is null. He has not made the decision to attend Rehab by his own free will. He was caught and is now trying to lessen the concequences. Until he makes the decision to stop, without anyone forcing his hand, he will continue to be an addict and do whatever it takes to get his drug of CHOICE.
I sat thru a year of those meetings after a DWI and have heard the whole lecture, seen the films and know the results and have the T-Shirt. I never claimed to be a perfect human, because as we know there is no such thing. Mr Limbaugh now needs to learn the same, altho he has set himself atop a much larger pedestal.
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prm i think the point he was trying to make is somone who uses heroin even for the first time does it by choice. I've never heard of medicinal heroin lol. Prescriptions on the other hand can be just as addictive. Point being he took them for an approved reason got adicted to them and couldnt get off of them. I definatly see a difference. In fact, I saw a 20/20 show on people who's lives have been destroyed by oxy-whatever.
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Medicinal heroin = morphine, demerol, etc.
It's not unheard of for heroin addicts to get their first "taste" during hospitalization.
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I just watched Scarborough and Coulter praising Rush's courage and honor. It's amazing the forgiveness shown by the right when one of their own comes forward to confess after they're outed! In Rush's case it was the National Enquirer that reported his little problem. Gotta suck to be sniffed out by that rag! And good old Arnie with his sincere apologies for his groping ways only after several came forward to report him. :rofl
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Ooh that poor victim. Them damned pain killers were probably throwing themselves into his mouth, nasty buggers! I think this one deserves a Barbara Walters special. Rush can get a nice cry out and we can all feel sorry for and empathise with this poor victim of circumstance. Yeah, right...He made a choice and he is no better or worse than a common drug user on the streets who can't afford oxy-escapefromreality. Well, no worse except that he's also a hypocrite.
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Can't wait to see the spoof on the Daily Show.
The junkie Repud hypo.
:p
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Originally posted by Udie
Nice [cough] liberal [/cough] attitude there earl. His hard times generally make you happy don't they....
I'm not gloating over the man's misfortunes. His own words condemn himself. I think the best result of his situation would be for him to realize how destructive the criminalization of addiction and drug abuse is, and how his own preaching on the subject legitamized and encouraged that system.
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Originally posted by Lance
If this were Al Franken, you would have some people relishing his misfortune and others supporting him -- just like you see with Rush.
I dunno... Im not a huge Rush supporter, but Im definaltely opposed to Franken... yet I wouldnt wish harm on him simply because of his views.
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This has been a bad week for the conservative media. First the Rush story, then O'Reilly's whiny, embarassing, crybaby performance on NPR with well-known harball interviewer Terry Gross.
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Saw this on another messgage board I frequent, thought it would add to the conversation:
http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/10/10/limbaugh.statement/index.html
"I am no victim and do not portray myself as such. I take full responsibility for my problem. "
Make what you will of it.
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Apparently I missed the O'Reilly incident....references?
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"I am no victim and do not portray myself as such. I take full responsibility for my problem. "
Make what you will of it.
well, that cancels out the "poor victim of circumstance" angle, he's a drug addict by choice acording to that statement. maybe we should ask the Rush from last month what the punishment should be. what do you bet his answer changed after he got caught.
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He could have told the Doctor the meds weren't working, if that was the case, and an alternative pain therapy would have been prescribed. He CHOSE not to do that. The whole "victim of circumstance" arguement is null. [/B]
Well, I take it for a fact that you know he didn't contact his doctor and can prove that he chose not to.
Look, I am not defending what Rush did, far from it. I am trying to give a little perspective to some who may not see the way others do. To call it a "spin" as you did is knee-jerk.
I am sorry you had to go to the meetings for a year rpm, I truly am. If it made you a better man so much the better. But to write off someone else's plight due to the fact that, apparently by your earlier posts in this thread and in others, you do not like nor care for conservatives, much less Rush.
I am a Rush fan. I think he gives perspectives that aren't, or I should say weren't, available to me 10 years ago when I was a dyed in the wool liberal. I just think that his situation is just a little bit more than just a "victim of circumstance" as you put it. What I do agree with is that if he obtained his drugs illegally, and that is for a court to decide, then they should put his rear in jail.
Yes he was caught, yes he admitted to it. I can name a few "libs" who after being caught STILL denied the accusations. No conservative that I know of has ever considered themselves perfect and free of human faults. I am no practicing Christian but there is the saying, "We all fall short of the glory of God..." Even I know what that means.
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Originally posted by MrLars
Yep, although I loath Rush, being a former addict myself I sincerly hope he can kick his problem....it ain't easy.
Out of curiosity is a 28 day programme realy enough for an addict to change?
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Will he avoid prosecution by going to rehab?
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Originally posted by Jack55
Will he avoid prosecution by going to rehab?
Why not. It was good enough for Robert Downey, Jr. half a dozen times. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
Why not. It was good enough for Robert Downey, Jr. half a dozen times. :rolleyes:
Robert Downey Jr was sentenced to a year's live-in drug rehabilitation and three years' probation after pleading no contest to drug charges.
Superior Court Judge Randall White warned Downey Jr that he could go to prison for up to four years if he violated the terms of his probation.
In August 1999 Downey Jr was sentenced to three years in prison for violating his probation by skipping scheduled drug tests, but was released a year later on bail.
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http://mfile.akamai.com/2493/wmv/pr...ement_video.asx
Here is the video of Rush making the announcement on his show.
Wonderful example of what seperates Liberals from Conservatives: Accountability.
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Originally posted by Jack55
Will he avoid prosecution by going to rehab?
Depends if any of any federal laws were violated to obtain the illegal drugs. If so, then the federal mandatory minimum sentencing could come into effect. However, Prosecutors, not judges, have the discretion to decide whether to reduce a charge, whether to accept or deny a plea bargain, whether to reward or deny a defendant's "substantial assistance" or cooperation in the prosecution of someone else, and ultimately, to determine what the final sentence will be.
Note: That’s my understanding of Federal mandatory minimum sentencing. I made only 3 arrests that were kicked up to Federal prosecutors. The vast majority of arrests are dealt with at the state or municipal courts level.
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imo rush killed conserviatives this past month.
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Wonderful example of what seperates Liberals from Conservatives: Accountability.
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Originally posted by Ozark
Robert Downey Jr was sentenced to a year's live-in drug rehabilitation and three years' probation after pleading no contest to drug charges.
Superior Court Judge Randall White warned Downey Jr that he could go to prison for up to four years if he violated the terms of his probation.
In August 1999 Downey Jr was sentenced to three years in prison for violating his probation by skipping scheduled drug tests, but was released a year later on bail.
From this link:http://www.canoe.ca/JamMoviesArtistsD/downey.html
"Others who've bent over backward to accommodate Downey, who was first arrested for cocaine possession during a routine traffic stop in 1996, include Ally McBeal creator David E. Kelley. It took two arrests before Downey lost his job as Ally's love interest. The axe finally fell after Downey was busted in a Culver City alley in April 2001 on suspicion of being under the influence of a controlled substance -- charges weren't filed.
Downey was also sprung from rehab for a day at Elton John's request to star in the Rocket Man's I Want Love music video in Aug. 2001."
Took 2 arrests BEFORE he lost his job at Ally. I doubt that any conservative would ever get a leniant treatment like that in CA.
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Hey DiabloTX
I thought we were discussing Jack55’s post.
Downey is a low life in my opinion and I'm not defending him. He was arrested and charged in 1996. He went through the court system and did not avoid prosecution. I thought you were using Downey as a justification as why Rush Limbaugh shouldn’t face any criminal charges.
As far as “Took 2 arrests BEFORE he lost his job at Ally. I doubt that any conservative would ever get a lenient treatment like that in CA.”
That’s not a legal issue. It’s a contractual issue.
On a side note: I enjoyed Rush’s show for many years, I even bought two of his books. However the facts remain. Buying pharmaceutical drugs without a prescription is a crime.
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Im not talking about the confession smart guy. Think harder. Accountability.
whatever
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=97499&perpage=50&highlight=mcnabb&pagenumber=3
there ya go. got anything to say about that Mr accountability?
strk
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Originally posted by strk
whatever
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=97499&perpage=50&highlight=mcnabb&pagenumber=3
there ya go. got anything to say about that Mr accountability?
strk
What do I have to say about that? Ill just repeat what I said:
Being a Philadelphian, I saw alot of coverage about the Rush/McNabb issue. McNabb wasnt offended - he didnt come off angry at all.
For you to call me a 'lair' because you disagree with me and are able to cite news articles that write of the incident in a different light from those I read and watched on television is ridiculous.
Now are you going to keep throwing around accusations and calling people 'liars' all day like a typical Lib or are you going to contribute to the conversation young one?
Oh, and I stand by my other coments about wishing you good luck with your medication too - god knows you need it.
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Opioids and Benzodiazepines drugs produce -by far- the worst withdrawal symptoms. Much worse than either Cocaine or Heroin. Yes worse than Heroin. His chances of breaking away from his Opioid addiction are very slim. He's going to have to endure 30 days of the most wicked withdrawal effects...his life will be a living hell.
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^ it won't last 30 days. The people I saw go through oxicotin withdrawal lasted about a week. My xanax withdrawal lasted abot a week for the primary withdrawal then about 2 or 3 days for the secondary withdrawal about a week after the first. Symptoms vary from person to person though. Every square inch of your body hurts.
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Originally posted by LePaul
Apparently I missed the O'Reilly incident....references?
http://freshair.npr.org/
Of course being NPR, he was just an unfortunate victim of the liberal mainstream media.
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Originally posted by Ozark
However the facts remain. Buying pharmaceutical drugs without a prescription is a crime.
Agreed Ozark, this is the only "issue" I see in all of this.
The Downey thing was the fact that he has been arrested multiple times and been given leniency on most of them is something that I wanted to point out. He should have been fired from Ally after his first arrest, but, hey, he's an "artist" in an artist's community.
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success rates for 28 day rehab runs between 2 and 10%.
Did Rush get caught with illegal drugs on him? Pretty hard to jail someone who simply admits an addiction and then seeks treatment on their own. This is far different from say, downey's case.
lazs
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Good point Laz. I think your right.
Limbaugh won't be prosecuted, attorneys wager (http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/auto/epaper/editions/saturday/news_f3e7e3c206b150960079.html)
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Its not the illegality of the drugs in question, its the illegal way he obtained prescription drugs without a prescription i.e. it isn't the drugs themselves that are at issue but how Rush obtained them.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Wonderful example of what seperates Liberals from Conservatives: Accountability.
Such an admirable junkie Rush is!
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Udie,
How many mg's of Xanax we're you taking? I've seen people come down from 8mg. No it doesn't last 30 days but it feels like you are going to die..and you wish you will. Did you taper?? You had to taper- death is possible if you don't.
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With the new sentencing guide lines Ashcroft has given all federal judges, Rush can look forward to receiving equal treatment under the law, regardless of his particular mitigating circumstances.
In other words, the law does not care why he broke the law, or that he owned up to it after he was outed. It's black and white, he broke the law, and punishment is due.
"Go to jail, and throw away the key" - I like the way that sounds.
If Rush goes to jail - I'll become a conservative, bible thumping racists, just like the rest of them.
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That is a pretty sweeping generalisation there, isn't it?
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Originally posted by Gadfly
That is a pretty sweeping generalisation there, isn't it?
Gadfly, you didn't know we are all racists? We are, we just don't stereotype...:rolleyes:
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My god, what a bunch of idiots.
strk, you are their leader.
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Well every good leader needs a sig, so here ya go:
I am their leader, which way did they go?
Use it in good health :D
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If a person admits to being hooked on drugs and seeks treatment I don't believe the authorities even consider arresting him if he has no drugs on him at the time. So far as the person selling.... Wouldn't they be more interested in arresting that person or that dealers source? How were the illegal perscription drugs gotten would be the real question for the cops.. burglary? Crooked dr.?
Without evidence, Or a possesion charge they woud not go after a user I wouldn't think.
Has anyone ever heard of a user being arrested because a drug dealer said he sold small ammounts of drugs to the user?
lazs
lazs
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Wonderful example of what seperates Liberals from Conservatives: Accountability.
Accountability would have been seeking help for the several years he has been addicted. We are all accountable when we get caught, it's the law.
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The biggest problem I see with decriminalizing drugs is that the goverment (local, state and federal) then sees a big cash cow and soon has a vested interest in making sure people buy the stuff, kinda like cigarettes. The time we as a society become financially dependent on other peoples' misery will be a sad time, indeed.....or am I wrong?
Slim03
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>>the goverment (local, state and federal) then sees a big cash cow
Sort of like state lotteries? Which is what... "Gambling".. right?
And which demographical group is most subseptable to Gambling... the poor and elderly.
30 years ago... it would have been suicide for a politician to suggest legalizing any sort of gambling.
BINGO survived all those years only because of the petulant Catholic Lobbists on Capitol Hill bribing Congressmen with Papal Absolutions... Big Business there with all the sinning going on there.
Yes, let's legalize drugs and prostitution - it's happening... it wont' stop, The moralists are not winning this war.
At least put some controls on it. That's the humane thing to do. Those who want it, those who are addicted to these vices, at least can do so with some safety.... and besides... the right wing can take their pictures, gather their names and addresses... and then secretly send the CIA and Delta force to assassinate them in the middle of the night and send them all to hell where the can burn in the fires of damnation for eternity.
Duh! Get with the right wing agenda!! Down with the drug using sodomizers and fornicaters.
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Originally posted by DmdNexus
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Sort of like state lotteries? Which is what... "Gambling".. right?
And which demographical group is most subseptable to Gambling... the poor and elderly.
30 years ago... it would have been suicide for a politician to suggest legalizing any sort of gambling.
I never was in favor of the lottery, either, for that reason. It's just government officials pandering to the lowest common denominator of society.
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It's just government officials pandering to the lowest common denominator of society.
G.Gordon Lidy called it a tax for the mathematically impaired. Not sure if thats his own material or not, he has been known to steal things
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Accountability would have been seeking help for the several years he has been addicted. We are all accountable when we get caught, it's the law.
No, that would have been responsible.
Taking a full minute of his 4 minute stint to tell people that it was HIS choice to continue to take pain medication instead of op for another surgery... telling people that he is NOT a victim, will not portray himself as a victim, and will not allow others to protray him as a victim is accountability.
He made no excuses for his behavior. 'The man' didnt make him do it, he wasnt from a poor family, his father didnt abuse him, he didnt get pushed into to many lockers in high school, etc, etc.
He alone is responsible for his own actions. Partisanship aside, when was the last time you heard a celebrity/politician say that?
strk - Any more inflamitory posts out of you towards me, accusations toward me without the slightest whiff of motivation or further displays of blatent stupidity and/or aggression will give you the distinguished honor of being the only person about whom I will have ever formally filed a complaint with HTC.
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Apparently Rush was a hypocrite. Certainly not the first public figure to be labled such. Do they put people in jail for that? If he continues with talk radio maybe his shows will be tempered with a bit more compassion?
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Originally posted by MC_Honky
Udie,
How many mg's of Xanax we're you taking? I've seen people come down from 8mg. No it doesn't last 30 days but it feels like you are going to die..and you wish you will. Did you taper?? You had to taper- death is possible if you don't.
My prescription was at first for a .25 mg tablet, 3 times daily or as symptoms require (that was the kicker) Well my 'symptoms' kept getting worse, I'm sure now that was the physical addiction taking over. So after the first month he moved me up to .5 mg tables 3 times a day or as symptoms require (again the kicker) I was scheduled to move up to 1 mg zanbars on my next doctors visit. When I realized I was addicted I was eating 4mg to 6mg at one time at least twice a day. So I quit, cold turkey, like I have with any substance I knew I had a problem with. Well the doctor hadn't told me about the tappering off thing so it did almost kill me :(
My last prescription was for 90 .5 mg tablets. I ate it in a week..... That stuff is bad bad bad bad bad.....
[edit] I still may sue the guy too....
[edit2] My withdrawals didn't last anywhere near 30 days. The first set lasted about 7 days. The 2nd set lasted only a couple of days and weren't as severe as the primary withdrawal. That was something I learned there too, benzodiazapines have 2 distinct withdrawals. And yeah during the worst of it death was a good option. I still feel the effects of the siezure I had. I lost a lot of memory around the time of the event....
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You should have checked your'self into a hospital. Never never go cold Turkey with a Benzo drug- your very lucky to be alive. You had a full seizure? That is usually the first step before things spiral out of control. Tapering for about six weeks -min- would have eased your suffering. Cross medicating with a longer acting Benzo like Valium would be even better. You need a good Doctor for this ..one who specializes in Benzo detox. Again- your lucky to be alive. Did you detox at home?
BTW- 8 mg a day is a pretty damn high dose. I've heard of 11-14mg habits but I've never seen them.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Medicinal heroin = morphine, demerol, etc.
It's not unheard of for heroin addicts to get their first "taste" during hospitalization.
Not quite. Morphine, Heroin and Demerol are all IV narcotics but their chemical structures are different. Other IV narcs include drugs like Fentanyl (one of the most addictive drugs regularly used-100X more powerful than morphine), Sufentanyl (even more powerful), Remifentanyl and Alfentanyl. There are basically two classes of the narcotics based upon the chemical structure. Morphine and Heroin fall into one class, Demerol, Fentanyl, etc fall into another class.
Believe it or not Demerol (trade name meperidine) was created by the Germans in the 1930's as a synthetic atropine. It was found later that it did have some atropine like effects (increased heartrate, dry mouth) but made people high and had pain relief qualities like Morphine. It later was refined and is still used to this day, although not as much as it used to.
Percocet and Oxcycontin have the same basic medication for pain relief-oxycodone. It is similar in structure to codeine which is similar to morphine. It is a very powerful pain medication and is very addictive, like all opiate narcotics.
BTW, Heroin is used medicinally in some countries, I believe Great Britain and a lot of European countries use it. It isn't used in the US mostly because of the social stigma. I can imagine going in to a room and telling a patient, "Time for your Heroin shot".
As for Rush... I am a conservative and a Rush listener for probably seven or eight years. His addiction is sad, it is always sad, but he really never tried to stop it either. If he had gone out and admitted it, got cleaned up years ago, or even recently, without having his hand forced I would probably forgive him, even support him. He didn't and defending him for comitting a felony, one he knowingly did, is pretty hard to do IMHO.
I am still a conservative BTW, and I wish him luck. I might listen to him again sometime but he has to earn my trust back now.
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Originally posted by MC_Honky
You should have checked your'self into a hospital. Never never go cold Turkey with a Benzo drug- your very lucky to be alive. You had a full seizure? That is usually the first step before things spiral out of control. Tapering for about six weeks -min- would have eased your suffering. Cross medicating with a longer acting Benzo like Valium would be even better. You need a good Doctor for this ..one who specializes in Benzo detox. Again- your lucky to be alive. Did you detox at home?
BTW- 8 mg a day is a pretty damn high dose. I've heard of 11-14mg habits but I've never seen them.
Hehe i was 8 to 12 mg's a day there for the last week or 2. Believe me had I known about the detox thing I never would have started taking them. When he prescribed them to me I told him "I have an addictive personality, I don't need anything physicaly addictive" He told me "don't worry" and that was it, this is why I still may take him to court over it.
I had no clue I was chemicly/physicaly addicted to the stuff. I thought it was all in my head so I just quit. Took 3 days before my brain siezed up (3 days of hell in which I thought I had lost my sanity for good, remember I had no idea I was in withdrawal :) ) I had the siezure at work. It was a grand mal. My co-workers said I stood up and said "I have 2 house plans to draw" (I did that for a living for 10 years) and then I fell over into the siezure. They said I turned grey and foamed at the mouth. I was out for 10 or 15 minutes. The paramedics woke me up with a valium IV. Talk about wierd! When I told the emergency room doc about the xanax and how much he knew right away what it was, this was after the $1800 CAT scan :rolleyes:
I went home for 3 days and realized I couldn't beat this by myslef so I checked into rehab and saved my life. Scarey part is that I have had urges for that buzz again......
[edit] about the detox, I was stupid. I didn't take any benzo meds to taper off, even at rehab. They told me too, but after the siezure I wanted NONE of that poison in my body. My 3rd day there they freaked out when they checked my blood pressure in the morning it was like 140 over 120 or something. They all started scrambling around me, which caused it to go up even more when I freaked over the sudden activity. They gave me 2 diferent types of benzo's (can't remember which) and a dose of phenalbarbitol. LOL I was buzzed out and couldn't walk for the rest of the day. That was the last drugs I put into my body, cept for a couple doob's I've smoked since....
I know I never want to go through that again........
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Originally posted by Udie
^ it won't last 30 days. The people I saw go through oxicotin withdrawal lasted about a week. My xanax withdrawal lasted abot a week for the primary withdrawal then about 2 or 3 days for the secondary withdrawal about a week after the first. Symptoms vary from person to person though. Every square inch of your body hurts.
Different class of Med Udie.
Someone alluded to the seizure risk of Xanax. It is similar (as I am sure you know) to Ativan, Valium, Librium, Versed...
Basically benzos work to slow down nerve stimulation in the head. Without getting into acronyms like GABA things like ligand gated chloride channels they basically work by attatching to a port on a nerve and make it harder for the nerve to fire.
Opiate attach to a receptors in the spinal cord and brain (there are some in the body too but lets not go there) and basically work to deactivate nerve cells conducting pain messages. I being very simplistic with this, it is very complicated and a lot of it I don't remember anymore. In the brain it causes the release of (I think) seratonin which gives the high. People get used to this release and crave it after a while.
It takes a long time for that to wear off.
In your case these receptors tend to get used to having the Benzo around and the cells get real excited when they are cut off. Excitable brain cells tend to fire off causing seizures. That is why valium is one of the drugs of choice for actively seizing people, it shuts down the excitability of nerve cells.
I am sure I made that a lot more complicated. Basically, the recovery time for one class of drug can be a lot longer than for others. That is why a lot of times Heroin is really hard to kick, even though it doesn't cause the awful symptoms that a Benzo withdrawal can.
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Originally posted by wklink
Different class of Med Udie.
Someone alluded to the seizure risk of Xanax. It is similar (as I am sure you know) to Ativan, Valium, Librium, Versed...
Basically benzos work to slow down nerve stimulation in the head. Without getting into acronyms like GABA things like ligand gated chloride channels they basically work by attatching to a port on a nerve and make it harder for the nerve to fire.
Opiate attach to a receptors in the spinal cord and brain (there are some in the body too but lets not go there) and basically work to deactivate nerve cells conducting pain messages. I being very simplistic with this, it is very complicated and a lot of it I don't remember anymore. In the brain it causes the release of (I think) seratonin which gives the high. People get used to this release and crave it after a while.
It takes a long time for that to wear off.
In your case these receptors tend to get used to having the Benzo around and the cells get real excited when they are cut off. Excitable brain cells tend to fire off causing seizures. That is why valium is one of the drugs of choice for actively seizing people, it shuts down the excitability of nerve cells.
I am sure I made that a lot more complicated. Basically, the recovery time for one class of drug can be a lot longer than for others. That is why a lot of times Heroin is really hard to kick, even though it doesn't cause the awful symptoms that a Benzo withdrawal can.
Didn't complicate things for me :D One of the patients at the rehab was/is a tenured professor at Texas aTm, his field of study? Drug addiction :eek: he was there for alcoholism. We spent many hours discussing this very topic :) He was under the impression that I had totally closed my GABA receptors, causing the siezure. He also told me that long term abuse of alcohol does the same thing as benzo's. He had also had a grand mal siezure, due to his alcoholism though.
The time comment I made was based upon what I saw at rehab. There was a guy there who had shot heroine for 20 years and had been on methadone for the past 5 years or so. His withdrawals lasted about 1.5 weeks, and let me tell you he was in hell 24/7 during that time. I learned a lot about this crap real quick, just wish I had studied it in August instead of the night I had the siezure.
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Out of curiosity is a 28 day programme realy enough for an addict to change?
28 days is just detox. After that he needs a recovery program, 12 steps, etc.
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He can recover with the other drug users in federal prison.
It's a simple program - a Job with UNICORP for the next 20 years. They'll even teach him how to earn an honest buck using his "LABOR" not his "BLABBER" - a trade skill like stamping out state license plates, sewing American flags, making tents for the U.S Army...
What a patriotic experience that will before him - to serve the America he once dodged serving.
What's that smell? A whiff of Poetic Justice, I beleive.
And he get's 3 square courses of HUMBLE pie every day.
Perhaps he'll learn a little compasion from his fellow man... and then again perhaps if he doesn't keep his fat mouth shut it just might get beat into him.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
I've always said Rush was only entertainment...so, being in the entertainment business, does this surprise anyone? Its full of drug addicts.
Maybe so Rip but thats stereotyping and a load of crap---I know several "jobs" that have rampant drug abuse and ALL jobs that have some.....
Well hell just ask your former president --Mr I didnt inhale---lol
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I am certain that at some point somewhere in the world the supply of peanuts has run short.
How does this apply to me laughing at you though?
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
No, that would have been responsible.
When you get caught you are held accountable. If he had not been caught, would he have tried to get help, or just keep on deceiving everyone? He has been lying and deceiving for seven years, I do not see anything honorable about that.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
When you get caught you are held accountable. If he had not been caught, would he have tried to get help, or just keep on deceiving everyone? He has been lying and deceiving for seven years, I do not see anything honorable about that.
Ya know when it is most people fess up? It's when they get caught. Why else would the confess? Honor is just about the only reason. When it comes to an addict and his addiction, honor has no roll in that what so ever. A man's character can be judged by what he does when he is busted. Some will lie, even though everybody knows they're lying and even though they know everybody knows, cough cough cough Bill Clinton. Others when busted will accept their fate and fess up to it, which is the first LARGE step to beating addiction. I surely hope you never get addicted to anything and have to go through the hell that is withdrawal/recovery. Notice how he didn't ask for forgiveness and instead asked for prayers. I think that's because he knows what he's about to go through.
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Udie,
Well said- I went through Ativan withdrawal 2 yrs ago. It was worse than anything I could have imagined. I was barfing and dry heaving for 1 week. I had electric shock sensations all over my body. No sleep for first 3 days then only like 2 hrs a night after that. Night sweets-bizzare dreams. My hair turned grey. I had anxiety so bad I wasn't able to leave my bed. I was taking half your dose Udie and I had a Doctor taper me. I can't imagine what you went through. You have my respect Bro. I thought I was a though dude but withdrawal brought me to my knees the first night!! It's like your brain chemistry just explodes and you got no control over yourself. Feel sorry for Rush...
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Originally posted by MC_Honky
Udie,
Well said- I went through Ativan withdrawal 2 yrs ago. It was worse than anything I could have imagined. I was barfing and dry heaving for 1 week. I had electric shock sensations all over my body. No sleep for first 3 days then only like 2 hrs a night after that. Night sweets-bizzare dreams. My hair turned grey. I had anxiety so bad I wasn't able to leave my bed. I was taking half your dose Udie and I had a Doctor taper me. I can't imagine what you went through. You have my respect Bro. I thought I was a though dude but withdrawal brought me to my knees the first night!! It's like your brain chemistry just explodes and you got no control over yourself. Feel sorry for Rush...
Dude I was a freakin basket case. I was certifiably insane, no question about it. Before the siezure it was mainly just anxiety, very very bad anxiety. The night before my siezure I couldn't watch that Harry Potter movie, it was too intense :D After the siezure the physical part hit. EVERY fiber in my body hurt. I'm sure the siezure caused some of it but it stayed in my muscles for about 2 weeks. I didn't sleep from the friday after thanks giving until that sunday night at about 3 am. Then I didn't sleep monday night either. My damn brain was going 10000 miles an hour and I just knew that I had poisoned myself from the ammount that I was taking.
My rational for rehab was quite simple. I knew I was crazy and I knew I had done it to myself. I just didn't know if it was going to stay or go away. So I decided that the only thing I could do would be to take medical leave from work (good timing since they saw the siezure) and go into rehab for a month. I figured if I was still crazy when I got out that I would have committed myself to the nuthouse for good.
Thankfully for me I found serinity there :D which in turn saved my life, I'm sure. The only thing to get in the way of that serinity have been traffic and the O'club, go figure :D
Also, please don't admire me. What I did was completely and utterly stupid and I'm lucky that I didn't win the Darwin award. One for taking as much xanax as I did and two for quitting the way I did, by refusing to taper even though I knew I litterally could die if I didn't. I took the xanax to stop worrying about everything, and I worried about EVERYTHING. Now the only thing I really worry about is how many years that siezure took off my life. It aged me I know that. I can still feel the affects almost a year later.
It is cool talking with somebody who's gone through benzo withdrawal though. You know what I'm talking about I'm sure brotha :D
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.... if people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be accused and they ought to be convicted and they ought to be sent up.
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Originally posted by Ozark
.... if people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be accused and they ought to be convicted and they ought to be sent up.
*smacks the record player.
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LOL!!
Please don't spit my bait out. :p
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Originally posted by Ozark
LOL!!
Please don't spit my bait out. :p
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goodness but the liberals sure can be vindictive eh? sorta like.... women.
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The guy went through life demonizing people with addictions. They should be locked up and the key thrown away he said. I don't see how people who have actually gone through addiction can defend him. He threw you under the bus!
It isn't his addiction, it's the way he has been treating people with addictions. A big to the both of you for beating your addiction. But if Rush had his way, your treatment would have been the big house.
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>>goodness but the liberals sure can be vindictive eh? sorta like.... women.
Wanting the enforcement of existing drug laws now makes one a liberal?
Interesting flip flop.
I want Rush to receive the same punishment for drug abuse as everyone else. Do the Crime - do the Time.
Rush is a criminal... it's no difference than if he mugged someone and stole their money - it's a felony to use a controlled substance with out a prescription.
If he were a responsible person, he would have sought treatment from his doctor. He's not responsible, he choose to commit a crime - no one put a gun to his head.
He's a smart man and he knew better and he still choose to commit the crime. he's so rich he every opportunity to seek alternative legal medical solutions to his problem.
He simple has no excuse for his actions.
He should save the American public money by confessing the truth about all that he did, and let his fate be given to the mercy of the court.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
It isn't his addiction, it's the way he has been treating people with addictions. A big to the both of you for beating your addiction. But if Rush had his way, your treatment would have been the big house.
I never broke the law with my addiction. Can you show me where it's been proven beyond a resonable doubt that Rush broke the law to feed his addiction?
I didn't think so.....
Yeah, you libs love the constitution :rolleyes:
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>>Can you show me where it's been proven beyond a resonable doubt that Rush broke the law to feed his addiction?
Oh... let's see.. he confessed that he was addicted to pain medicines and going into rehab.
I'm sure there will be doubt by all the "right wing believers" that his holiness Saint Rush ever did anything illegal.
He wouldn't have to go into rehab if he were addicted to Tylonal or Aspirin.
My guess is that the stories about Oxycotin are true, and he went into rehab because.. he got caught... and this will mitigate his punishment when he is prosecuted for committing a felony.
Until then the "believers" and live in their world of delusion that's it's the liberals that are ruining the morality of America.
In my opinion it's the hipocrisy of the conservatives.
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Originally posted by DmdNexus
>>Can you show me where it's been proven beyond a resonable doubt that Rush broke the law to feed his addiction?
Oh... let's see.. he confessed that he was addicted to pain medicines and going into rehab.
I'm sure there will be doubt by all the "right wing believers" that his holiness Saint Rush ever did anything illegal.
He wouldn't have to go into rehab if he were addicted to Tylonal or Aspirin.
My guess is that the stories about Oxycotin are true, and he went into rehab because.. he got caught... and this will mitigate his punishment when he is prosecuted for committing a felony.
Until then the "believers" and live in their world of delusion that's it's the liberals that are ruining the morality of America.
In my opinion it's the hipocrisy of the conservatives.
Since when is it illegal to get addicted to pain drugs? I got addicted to my xanax and I followed the prescription to the letter. I didn't break any laws. I haven't said Rush didn't either. Other than a National Inquirer report I've heard nobody else accuse him of breaking the law. Except you stupid libs.
Just to set you straight, all you libs are the ones holding the hypocritical stance on this 'issue'. I can't speak for any of the conservatives here, but my position on this has been consistant for many years :) and it's been consistant for people from both sides of the political isle. You dudes hate republicans so much that you'd be willing to throw out the constitution to get rid of somebody how exposes the lies and hypocracy of YOUR elected officials and heros.
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Originally posted by Udie
I never broke the law with my addiction. Can you show me where it's been proven beyond a resonable doubt that Rush broke the law to feed his addiction?
I didn't think so.....
Yeah, you libs love the constitution :rolleyes:
Where was he getting his OC's?
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>>Since when is it illegal to get addicted to pain drugs?
I don't think any one said getting addicted is illegal.
Nice try at symantics.
Using a controlled substance with out a prescription is illegal.
Buying Oxycottin with out a prescription is illegal.
Buying a controlled substance from an unlicensed distributor is illegal (like a house maid who sells it to you).
If Rush got addicted to Oxycottin because his doctor wasn't watching his medications or over dosing him... well Rush will have an excuse...
but Rush didn't say that.
Rush admits his addiction is his own fault....
From the horse's own prettythang he admits his addiction and the fault is his.
If he gets indicted for a felony, and if the allegations of his illegal activity are true, he should do the right thing, and not drag his case through litigation and cost the tax payers money to prosecute him.
If he is found guilty, by judge or jury... lock him up and throw away the key for the same amount of time as all the other drug users - fair and equal treatment under the law
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Where was he getting his OC's?
I have no idea. Either legally through a prescription or illegally someway. I wasn't there so I don't know. I'm not part of the police investigatoin of the other 3 people, so I don't know. I'm just not ready to convict the guy based on an article from the national freakin inquirer, or maybe gay vampires really do exist.
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Originally posted by DmdNexus
>>Since when is it illegal to get addicted to pain drugs?
I don't think any one said getting addicted is illegal.
Nice try at symantics.
I asked this... "Can you show me where it's been proven beyond a resonable doubt that Rush broke the law to feed his addiction? "
and you answered with this....
Oh... let's see.. he confessed that he was addicted to pain medicines and going into rehab
It's becoming painfuly clear that you don't know what the hell you're talking about. You're hate is got you so blinded that you're willing to forget about what we like to call due process. LOL yeah that's real liberal of ya there hypocrite. You people crack me up.
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Originally posted by Udie
I have no idea. Either legally through a prescription or illegally someway. I wasn't there so I don't know. I'm not part of the police investigatoin of the other 3 people, so I don't know. I'm just not ready to convict the guy based on an article from the national freakin inquirer, or maybe gay vampires really do exist.
well, this is from a Fox news article
"The investigation apparently began as a probe into the illegal sale of prescription painkillers in South Florida that targeted dealers. But later investigators came across Limbaugh through clues gathered in a bust a Palm Beach County (search) in May, revealing him as a buyer."
So if he admitted taking them, he had to buy them, no?
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Originally posted by Sixpence
well, this is from a Fox news article
"The investigation apparently began as a probe into the illegal sale of prescription painkillers in South Florida that targeted dealers. But later investigators came across Limbaugh through clues gathered in a bust a Palm Beach County (search) in May, revealing him as a buyer."
Ok let me rephrase that, I'm not willing to convict the guy based on any story from any media outlet :) If it turns out he broke the law, by all means hold him accountable. You'll get no argument from me. I also think he should be afforded any and every loophole that's available to anybody else. You see a lot of times on the first offence the judge will let rehab be the 'punishment' or count towards it or hand out a lesser sentence because of it. So am I to gather that because you disagree with him you'd be willing to forget about all that stuff just to see him rot in jail? For all we know he's turned in his dealer to cop a plea bargin. For all we know he always had prescriptions and got his drugs legally.
He said he got himself addicted, that doesn't mean he has to get them illegally. He said he chose to treat the pain with meds instead of going through surgery again. Nexus took that to mean that he automaticly broke the law, that's bull****. Like I said, I never broke any law getting myself addicted to xanax. Should I go to jail?
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Originally posted by Udie
1.) So am I to gather that because you disagree with him you'd be willing to forget about all that stuff just to see him rot in jail?
2.)He said he chose to treat the pain with meds instead of going through surgery again.
1.)No, but I do think his punishment should be what he thinks it should be for someone else in his shoes.
2.) I hear that excuse from liberals all the time.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
1.)No, but I do think his punishment should be what he thinks it should be for someone else in his shoes.
2.) I hear that excuse from liberals all the time.
1. Well that doesn't matter when it comes to the law :)
2. I think it's more of a choice than an excuse. We'll see how he is when he gets out. 12 step programs stress honesty.....
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>>I never broke any law getting myself addicted to xanax. Should I go to jail?
If you buy your drugs illegally in order to support your addiction. It's a felony, if convicted - go to jail and throw away the key.
You conservative meat heads can't even get your labels right.
That's a conservative attitude - not liberal.
Let me simplify it for you so you know which side to be on:
Liberals = soft on crime, send them to rehab
Conservatives = tough on crime, send them to jail and throw away the key.
When it comes to crime and punishment... I'm espousing a conservative agenda.
I don't care what kind of childhood he had, why he chose to break the law. That doesn't matter. It's irrelavent - especially for someone of his moral and intellectual capabilities.
He broke the law, he goes to jail - for him the maximum sentence because he of all people OUGTH to know better.
Rush will get his day in court, he'll get his due process, and if he is convicted, then according to Ashcroft's new guide lines for federal judges, his prettythang is going to jail, and then in 20 years he can write about how he became the cell block b*tch.
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Originally posted by DmdNexus
>>I never broke any law getting myself addicted to xanax. Should I go to jail?
If you buy your drugs illegally in order to support your addiction. It's a felony, if convicted - go to jail and throw away the key.
You conservative meat heads can't even get your labels right.
That's a conservative attitude - not liberal.
Let me simplify it for you so you know which side to be on:
Liberals = soft on crime, send them to rehab
Conservatives = tough on crime, send them to jail and throw away the key.
When it comes to crime and punishment... I'm espousing a conservative agenda.
I don't care what kind of childhood he had, why he chose to break the law. That doesn't matter. It's irrelavent - especially for someone of his moral and intellectual capabilities.
He broke the law, he goes to jail - for him the maximum sentence because he of all people OUGTH to know better.
Rush will get his day in court, he'll get his due process, and if he is convicted, then according to Ashcroft's new guide lines for federal judges, his prettythang is going to jail, and then in 20 years he can write about how he became the cell block b*tch.
You are one thick headed individual. Again, I didn't break any laws getting my xanax. Again, prove to me where Rush has broken any laws. Oh that's right, you can't....
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>>prove to me where Rush has broken any laws.
Prove to me that Rush isn't a pompous prettythang - oh wait you can't, because he is one.
The Florida DA says Rush's name came up as a Buyer for Oxycotin during their investigation of an illegal drug "ring" - I'm paraphrasing what I read in the news. The content is right, not the exact words - I'm sure you conversatives will twist this as a liberal lie.
If the DA finds enough evidence to indicte Rush, and if after due process he is found guilty... then I wish and hope that he gets the maximum sentence allowable by federal and state law.
Why? Because I like him and as he has been a long time advocate of tough on drug crime sentencing and so am I... it's his turn to be a stand up guy and show the rest of you liberals what a conservative does when he gets caught comitting a felony.
Is that simple enough for you? Or do you need it dumbed down some more?
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what a hate filled little fellow. typical liberal :D
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Originally posted by DmdNexus
>>prove to me where Rush has broken any laws.
Prove to me that Rush isn't a pompous prettythang - oh wait you can't, because he is one.
Yeager, I think you pegged it....
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most peoples ideals are somewhat flexible depending on who's ox is being gored but...
seeing the vitriol of liberals and women has never failed to amaze me. They allways seem to be the most descriotive when it comes to meting out torture and such.
lazs