Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: lazs2 on October 12, 2003, 09:58:18 AM
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Please fix all the other large maps... even with your example and the player response the makers are convinced that they know what we want or that it is impossible to move the fields closer together..
Please do this minor thing for us...in your spare time of course.
Thanks in advance.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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NoBaddy, AK's, ASW.. please don't give Fester permission to edit your maps.
Thanks in advance.
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Originally posted by Rutilant
NoBaddy, AK's, ASW.. please don't give Fester permission to edit your maps.
Thanks in advance.
They have no choice ... HTC owns those maps now. Only HTC can give Fester those maps ... if they so choose.
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Well... I guess so long as 3 or four guys like em then there is no point in fixing em..
lazs
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FesterMA is hands down the best map we have. It's just too hard (boring) trying to fly other maps after Fester's.
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Variety is the spice of life.. I don't feel like flying on 3 festerma clones
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Originally posted by Rutilant
Variety is the spice of life.. I don't feel like flying on 3 festerma clones
I agree...
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Originally posted by Heinkel
FesterMA is hands down the best map we have. It's just too hard (boring) trying to fly other maps after Fester's.
Yep, you gotta fly 3½ minutes longer to find the "action"...
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I smell arse lickers.
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I've been bored with AH for the past four or five months, FesterMA made the MA fun again. We need smaller gaps between fields. It's much more interesting having as many as four or five fields involved in a fight than it is just having two. (And a longer flight time)
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More like 20 minutes more because of the high alt. people fly at and the 1-1.5 sector seperation of bases.
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Originally posted by Heinkel
FesterMA is hands down the best map we have. It's just too hard (boring) trying to fly other maps after Fester's.
Agreed.
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
I smell arse lickers.
No, I think that's your own. Perhaps you should try pulling your head out of it?
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Originally posted by lazs2
Please fix all the other large maps... even with your example and the player response the makers are convinced that they know what we want or that it is impossible to move the fields closer together..
its not my place to "fix" anyone elses map. before I built my own i would say sure I want to make every map the way I want it. but after seeing how much work it is and how each mapmaker takes so much effort to create their own arena... I would not work on anyone elses arena unless they personally asked me to.
no one wants complaints or people to not have fun when they make a terrain. everyone follows their own design. I ignored quite a few helpful suggestions when I made my map because I made it the way I wanted it I'm sure others did the same.
but heres the thing that is indesputable. I would not have made my map the way I did if the other terrain makers didnt make their maps the way they did.
I stood on their shoulders and learned what I wanted from all the previous maps that have ever been in AH. I knew what I wanted and what I didnt want. you will see a lot of pieces of my map are from things I liked in older maps and things I didnt like in 512 maps have been left out completely and I made a map that most people enjoy and find very entertaining (except beetle and a few others)
again I must make it clear that building these main arenas is a learning process. this is the first one ive ever made and the next one will be built upon what I have learned making this one.
I know other terrain makers will be influenced one way or the other by this map just as I was influenced by theirs.
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Well said Cit. Glad to see a new map (any new map) getting such a positive response.
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what if we beat the map makers severly about the head and shoulders til they signed a bloodstained release?
lazs
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Perhaps instead of fixing the old maps, someone should step up and build another map with similar features of Fester's.
Hmmmm...
Someone who knows how far the fields should be...
Someone who appreciates a good furball...
Boy, this is a tough one....
Someone who lives on the west coast and owns alotta handguns..:D
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Someone who is not completely technically incompetent on computers...
Someone who is not mean-spirited and lazy...
I think lazs just got vetoed.
Hooligan
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hey nobaddy! :)
Agreed Im thrilled that the fester map has gotten a positive response from most. I have to laugh at the armchair critics now though after I see how much latitude HTC give us (the players) in the way we design and make terrains. its almost like they dont comprehend that if they want a map exactly how they want it they have to build it because every 512 terrain built so far has been built by a player with the terrain editor.
I know they will never bother to actually use the terrain editor and build their own terrain but it is so much fun throwing the fact that they have the power to make the MA the way they want it in their face when they sweety about "direction" the MA is going haha.
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Cit...
Yeah. I've always found it funny that folks will invest hours in pissin' and moanin' here about maps...yet they refuse to put in any time trying to make their own map. It ain't rocket science (hell, I'm livin' proof of that :D). What you really need to do is beat some of these folks about the head and shoulders region with the editor (a CD copy, of course :)). Maybe you could motivate them to put their virtual money where there fingertips are :D.
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I'm just hoping my map pisses beetle and bluemako off so bad that they get motivated to build their own map. only time will tell :D
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Originally posted by Citabria
I'm just hoping my map pisses beetle and bluemako off so bad that they get motivated to build their own map. only time will tell :D
Whoa Fester !!! Watch what you wish for ... it might come true. Think about it.
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hehe slapshot I think if they took the time to actually design somthign that woul offer a different strategy to arena design and gameply it would be much more beneficial to us all than the worthless and unfocussed whining that they have so much fun doing.
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Fester proved it hands down move the bases closer better furballin and the BS fuel porkers can still have their fun. Fix the other maps!!!!! Make MA fun for everyone again.
Thanks Fester!!!
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Originally posted by mars01
Fester proved it hands down move the bases closer better furballin and the BS fuel porkers can still have their fun. Fix the other maps!!!!! Make MA fun for everyone again.
Fuel porking is a good tactic, as a matter of fact me and a couple squaddies took heavy 51's and porked a base that was launching multiple high number attacks against a pretty poor defended rook base. I see nothing wrong with this..
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Originally posted by Citabria
I'm just hoping my map pisses beetle and bluemako off so bad that they get motivated to build their own map. only time will tell :D
Suddenly the CT don't look so bad... ;)
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Wild, what planes were they using to attack the base?
I'm wagering that it wasn't the early war stuff.
That's why close bases is great; you can still pork fuel and have some effect on base attacks.
Guys that fly the short range furball type planes can still get in a reasonable amount of fly/fight time nonetheless.
Close bases are win/win.
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Originally posted by Toad
Wild, what planes were they using to attack the base?
I'm wagering that it wasn't the early war stuff.
That's why close bases is great; you can still pork fuel and have some effect on base attacks.
Well i believe the same planes you would usually see in the MA .. Mixed in with a couple early war planes..
The "some effect" on bases is pretty minimal with fuel porkage, people could still fly the late war monsters but with just shorter distance of flight.
Fuel porking for me that night was a strategy.. We kept rolling and rolling but would get pushed back more and more each flight, so fuel shortage for the opposing team was the best solution.
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Wild, fuel pork is a great tactic. Thats why its BS, its too easy to do and has too much affect on the furballing. In Festers map fuel pork is still a good tactic but it is less leathal and it does not totally end furballing bu tstill having an effect as a tactic. It takes a more consorted effort and therfore one or two suicide dweebs can not spoil the fun.
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I honestly have not seen an increase in early war plane usage when the FMA map was up.
Anyone notice a change?
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Well i flew the hurri I quite a bit when playing on FMA, it was great fun. Tried flying it on trinity, i had to fly 1.5 sectors to a base only for the fight to totally die because both bases had had their fuel porked. i shotdown the only con then augered. It took me 10-15mins to fly there, i didn't fancy doing another flying back. logged in several times times since but everytime i've upped it's turned into either- we gang u or a u gang us as 1 field lose it's fuel. Now it's usually log in, see all the long red/green bars and log out.
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FesterMA is fine I guess but low frame rates spoils it for me. I get double the the frame rate in Trinity.
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well... gee... does that mean I should or shouldn't make a map? I fit both mucks and hooli's description.... it's all so confusing.
nobaddy... yes... I believe that it is rocket science to make a map.. it must be the hardest thing in the world to do. Of all the competent computer geeks we have here only fester has figured out how to do it.
lazs
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Yeah, I noticed a change. Even when it's 25% on Fester I can still fight in Early War planes so I don't think I ever had to up a Big 5 P-51 to furball. Loved it.
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Lazs-
If you're happy with FesterMA, why bother making a map?
Then again, if we get 4 or 5 more FesterMA style maps, maybe HTC will pull the maps you don't like.
I am really tempted to put a map together, but I simply do not understand the mechanics of the map as well as Fester does.