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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: FUNKED1 on October 13, 2003, 01:13:45 AM
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SWEAT JEASIOUS
Just about the worst wreck I've seen where somebody didn't die.
http://espn.go.com/rpm/irl/2003/1012/1636638.html#
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He's in Parkland in critical condition. That was one heck of a ride. Good thing there was nobody sitting on the backstretch.
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now was that 1 scary fuggin crash or what......
man that guy spun so much his brain reversed itself in his head....
hope he gets well...
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Originally posted by rpm371
He's in Parkland in critical condition. That was one heck of a ride. Good thing there was nobody sitting on the backstretch.
No, he is not in critical condition, and was never listed as such, he is in serious condition with multiple extremetie traumas. He is not paralyzed nor is he in a coma, but is alert and aware. He will undergo surgery to fix his broken right femur, and both ankles early this week. He was also listed as having a fractured sternum.
While RPM continues to show his penchant for distorting the facts, I am glad that no one else was hurt, and that Baxter will likely return to racing.
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Originally posted by Bodhi
No, he is not in critical condition, and was never listed as such, he is in serious condition with multiple extremetie traumas. He is not paralyzed nor is he in a coma, but is alert and aware. He will undergo surgery to fix his broken right femur, and both ankles early this week. He was also listed as having a fractured sternum.
... I am glad that no one else was hurt, and that Baxter will likely return to racing.
I was flipping channels during a commercial break in the football game and caught the race just as they were showing the replay and cleaning up the debris. Wowza! The only parts of that car that I recognized was the motor and the driver's seat. They had to shorten the race because he ripped out some of the steel barrier fence along the top of the concrete wall.
It looked like they were coming out of a turn and touched wheels, right?
If I'm not mistaken, they had to cancel an Indy car race at Texas last year because it was shown that the track could support speeds so fast that the drivers were blacking out from the g-forces. I can imagine those cars were screaming when they touched wheels.
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It's said the cars were going 216 MPH when the accident happened.
Scheckter rocketed up behind Brack on the backstretch and tried to pass on the outside. Turn 3 was coming up way too fast for him to get around Brack, so he slowed a little and tried to pull into traffic. His left front tire made contact with Brack's right rear, sending his car sliding sideways. Scheckter's car acted as a lever and Brack's car rocketed off the track and hit the fence going 200+ MPH.
Luckily, the car did what it was designed to do and disentigrated. The motor can be seen tumbling down the track afterwards, ending up on fire near the infield grass. The tub that houses the cockpit was the only thing left resembling a racecar within 2 seconds of impact. It ended up on it's side near the middle of the track. I watched this live and it was a scary sight.
I'm happy he's still alive. I thought it was going to be a fatal accident, the way the car exploded like it did. Had it been one of the old Grand Prix racers, he would have been surely dead.
Let's hope he recovers.
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i watched an indi car race about 10 years ago or so. Paul Tracy (think that was the young drive from canada) spun out in the little tri-oval that the pheonix track has. He was sideways in the middle of the lane sitting in his now stopped car. BLAMMO!!!!!!!!!! another car came and T-Boned him at 180 mph!!!!! :eek: the car came into many many pieces, the engine actually hit Tracy in the back of the helmet. When all was said and done, everybody got up and walked away...:eek:
why do people die at little 70mph wrecks? :rolleyes:
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What was the name of the driver that lost both of his legs in a racing accident when he collided with another car as he came out of the pits?
I want to say it was an Italian driver but I'm not sure. I think he's trying to return to racing, even without his legs.
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Originally posted by Udie
i watched an indi car race about 10 years ago or so. Paul Tracy (think that was the young drive from canada) spun out in the little tri-oval that the pheonix track has. He was sideways in the middle of the lane sitting in his now stopped car. BLAMMO!!!!!!!!!! another car came and T-Boned him at 180 mph!!!!! :eek: the car came into many many pieces, the engine actually hit Tracy in the back of the helmet. When all was said and done, everybody got up and walked away...:eek:
why do people die at little 70mph wrecks? :rolleyes:
I remember that. It was Hiro Matsu****a running into Jacques Villeneuve.
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Originally posted by gofaster
What was the name of the driver that lost both of his legs in a racing accident when he collided with another car as he came out of the pits?
I want to say it was an Italian driver but I'm not sure. I think he's trying to return to racing, even without his legs.
Alessandro Zanardi
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This is why thay make the BIG money.
I hope he makes a full recovery.
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I think TMS is cursed.
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Originally posted by Bodhi
No, he is not in critical condition, and was never listed as such, he is in serious condition with multiple extremetie traumas.
While RPM continues to show his penchant for distorting the facts, I am glad that no one else was hurt, and that Baxter will likely return to racing.
KXAS-TV 5 Dallas,reported on their Sunday 10pm newscast he was in critical condition. Please forgive me for not calling the hospital myself as I had no desire or motive to "distort" any facts.
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
I remember that. It was Hiro Matsu****a running into Jacques Villeneuve.
YEAH, that sounds like paul tracy :D Hmmm maybe they were right about pot smoking and memory.....what were we talking about?
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What a scary crash, looked similar to the Jeff Krosnoff fatal crash in CART back in 1996.
Looks like Kenny is going to be ok, though. Whew!
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Greg Moore's was pretty horrific as well.
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Yeah those were a couple of bad ones.
Krosnoff... There were 3 cars going into the corner... then dust and smoke... and where's the 3rd car? Nothing left.
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Yeah, seeing that made me think of Krosnoff's crash. At least it wasn't a solid wall.
I'm impressive Brack survived that one, but crashes like that leave their mark for life.
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Originally posted by gofaster
IIf I'm not mistaken, they had to cancel an Indy car race at Texas last year because it was shown that the track could support speeds so fast that the drivers were blacking out from the g-forces. I can imagine those cars were screaming when they touched wheels.
This happened a couple of years ago and it wasnt IRL....it was CART. The cars were running 235 mph in qualifying and drivers would get out after their run and would be too dizzy to stand up.
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Yep they were peaking at 6 g due to the banking.
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So does that make Texas the fastest track(closed circuit) in the world?
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Originally posted by Udie
YEAH, that sounds like paul tracy :D Hmmm maybe they were right about pot smoking and memory.....what were we talking about?
They are both Canadians and they were both fairly new back then.
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Originally posted by Gadfly
So does that make Texas the fastest track(closed circuit) in the world?
I'm not sure but imagine the speeds they would get at Daytona or Talladega...........
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Originally posted by Gadfly
So does that make Texas the fastest track(closed circuit) in the world?
The California track is the fastest I know of. They were running race laps at average speed over 240 mph before they changed the rules to slow the cars. Pole was 242 something. Michigan is almost identical. Andre Ribeiro recorded 258 mph through the speed trap there in 1995 with a Honda-Reynard. I think the CART cars of that era would have gone even faster at Talladega though.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
The California track is the fastest I know of. They were running race laps at average speed over 240 mph before they changed the rules to slow the cars. Pole was 242 something. Michigan is almost identical. Andre Ribeiro recorded 258 mph through the speed trap there in 1995 with a Honda-Reynard. I think the CART cars of that era would have gone even faster at Talladega though.
Now that is friggin' scary....*shudders
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Yeah, I didn't even think of Talli-they should go run a car just to set a new closed course record.
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Originally posted by Dinger
Yeah, seeing that made me think of Krosnoff's crash. At least it wasn't a solid wall.
(http://www.benchapman.com/project/image55.jpg)
The accident occurred on the 92nd lap out of 98, at the Toronto Molson-Indy in Canada just after the start-finish line, at the fastest section of the track. The track was an 11 turn temporary street circuit. Coming down the straight at over 180mph (~290kph), Krosnoff made wheel to wheel contact with Stephan Johansson, flipping his car into the air. The car went airborne into the fence, a steel catch fence similar to the catch fences on the Calder Park Thunderdome. The car spun along the fence, disintegrating as it went.... The impact deflected the fence back far enough for the car to hit a tree behind the fence. The car continued along the fence, impacting a concrete light pole on the outside of the catch fence, although protected by a concrete barrier at track level. Krosnoff was killed instantly upon impact with the light pole, the front of the car shearing off and exposing his legs as the car disintegrated. The engine and transmission continued on past the incident and landed on another competitor, Emerson Fittipaldi, who escaped injury. Several spectators were hit with flying debris and a track corner worker, Gary Avrin, was killed. While a little unclear, the photo above, figure 42, shows Krosnoff's car at the moment of impact with the light pole. It also shows the length of straight over which the cars were able to reach such high speeds. The concrete barrier protecting the light pole and the corner workers can be seen in front of the catch fence. The race was halted due to the accident being so severe and close to the designated race end.
The CART safety team was on site quickly but could do little to revive Krosnoff who had suffered massive head, chest and skeletal injuries in the impact. He was pronounced dead on arrival to hospital.
I'd never heard of this accident, probably because I don't really follow CART races that much. I figured I'd pass along the info I found about it. This quote is part of an interesting case study posted up at http://www.benchapman.com/project/krosnoff.html.
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Here's another bad one: Stan Fox (http://www.indymotorspeedway.com/pic-1995.htm).
He survived this without a scratch, but he had an "acceleration injury" to the brain which he never fully recovered from. He insisted on driving road cars, and nearly crashed my friend's trailers. Eventually he died in an auto wreck in New Zealand. RIP.
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
Greg Moore's was pretty horrific as well.
I found a site showing clips of it in a looped segment. Its pretty horrific. The car skids and flips then lands top-first into the concrete wall and disintegrates.
Here's a menu of some of the worst crashes on film.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~idema/welkom.htm
The 1955 LeMans crash is still regarded as the worst motorsports accident ever recorded in terms of loss of life and injury, and was so severe that Mercedes ceased racing for many years afterwards. There is also a link there showing the Mercedes SLK crash a few years ago, also at LeMans.
The Krosnoff crash is listed as "CART Streetrace" in the Crashes section.
Have a look at the "Indycar crash" segment. That must've been one scared cameraman!
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Nice webiste GoFaster, thanks bud!
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Just a word of warning: don't click on the Tom Pryce crash in South Africa unless you have a strong constitution.
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It's like watching one of those 'Faces of Death' videos. :(
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Yeah I saw the Pryce accident on TV once, BAD TIMES.
On the other hand, I think all corner workers should be required to see that once.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
I remember that. It was Hiro Matsu****a running into Jacques Villeneuve.
:rofl Sometimes the word filter is too funny - especially when it involves a person's name.
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I was watching Gregs crash live. It was so horrific that ESPN wouldn't show a replay. Eurosport however did...
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Watching David Purley trying to save Roger Williamson at Zandvoort in '73 is probably the greatest piece on there. Its a good example of heroism at its best, and the other drivers at their worst as they just kept driving by without stopping to help.
I remember a CART accident at Australia last year or year before, in the rain, when 5 cars were involved in a pile-up and one of them was flipped upside down, trapping the driver. Jimmy Vasser and another driver got out of their damaged vehicles and quickly went to the aid of the driver pinned under his car. They were the first on the scene, and it took several seconds before the track emergency teams were on the scene.
I remember this season, Dale Jarrett refusing to accept a ride from an ambulance, out of protest for the poor actions on the part of the rescue teams when he crashed the #88 Ford Taurus. He wasn't hurt, but it took an eternity before any track officials arrived.
I also remember Michael Waltrip getting pinned against the wall on the driver's side when he spun. He wasn't hurt but the car was undrivable. Since the car was wedged against the wall on the driver's side, he was trapped, unable to escape. Fortunately, his car didn't burst into flames. This year his car has an escape hatch in the roof. Why didn't they think of that sooner?