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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: SCDR on October 13, 2003, 03:29:37 PM
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Why do some people fly a plane into Tank Town? Is it because
they can't drive a tank or is it because they want to mess with
the people that can?
HT why don't you make a "force field" around tank town so if
a plane crosses it, they blow up and the whole arena sees a
"Shame on you for trying" message.:D Yeah that would be funny.
BTW I took a 51D there today to try and run off a 38, and the
38 got my wing. Looked like a HO, but that could just be my
prospective.
SCDR
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I have heard (from the flyers):
Kill all the vhs so the players leave tank town and start playing their way (pathetic).
Kill enemy VHs to allow their players to get into spawn camping position (pathetic).
From the tankers:
They can't get kills any other way, so they club baby seals in tank town (pathetic).
They are trying to help their teammates (less pathetic).
So, as you can see, 3 out of four pilots who up planes to tank town are pathetic.
shubie
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Awww, poor wittle tankers. Getting all bwowed up by the mean ole airpwanes.
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What you tankers need is a special place to play tanks where no one will interfere with your fun.
May I suggest the DA until that new arena is made for yas?
Enjoy!
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I got lost on the way to fighter town and ended up in tank town. Oh wait, vehicles are the only units in the game given their own area....my mistake.
When fighters get an exclusive fighter town and bombers get an exclusive bomber town maybe then vehicles can say they should have their own.
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Originally posted by TheManx
I got lost on the way to fighter town and ended up in tank town. Oh wait, vehicles are the only units in the game given their own area....my mistake.
When fighters get an exclusive fighter town and bombers get an exclusive bomber town maybe then vehicles can say they should have their own.
Actually, they're NOT given their own area, manx. Planes and stuff go there, you know. That's the whole point of the thread.
Perhaps you just missed it.
shubie
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Tell me, which part of which map has the big isolated place where the fields are surrounded by high mountains and the only choices available from the hangars are fighters?
And there'd be one of those for bombers too, right?
I must have missed them. What maps are they on and where on those maps are they?
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Originally posted by SCDR
Why do some people fly a plane into Tank Town? Is it because
they can't drive a tank or is it because they want to mess with
the people that can?
HT why don't you make a "force field" around tank town so if
a plane crosses it, they blow up and the whole arena sees a
"Shame on you for trying" message.:D Yeah that would be funny.
BTW I took a 51D there today to try and run off a 38, and the
38 got my wing. Looked like a HO, but that could just be my
prospective.
SCDR
SCDR - a couple things:
1.) That 38 was me - and yes it was a ho. I also pickled my bomb by accident because I am slow today.
2.) I had squad mates in TT who want support and a FORWARD AIR OBSERVER which I happen to be very good at.
- As it goes - he with the best SA - wins the war.
3.) Aircraft do not by themselves take down tanks - atleast in what I fly they don't. I use 1 rocket per tank and then move on. If I happen to get the kill, happy days - but my job is in support of the GV's mission - not freelancing.
4.) Would someone show me an example in history where a ground force has been successful against another equally equipped ground force where they were SUCCESSFUL and DECISIVE - key words here gents - WITHOUT airsupport.
- I am not talking about a turrent match.
When you can answer those questions - then we can talk.
Best,
The Wolf
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accutally a tank arena would be cool getting rid of all those invincable flaks
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4.) Would someone show me an example in history where a ground force has been successful against another equally equipped ground force where they were SUCCESSFUL and DECISIVE - key words here gents - WITHOUT airsupport.
There are a handful of those before 1903....
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I took a P47 to tank town twice, each sortie gained me over 20 perks. I was using only rockets and 50cals.
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Hmm - might have to make a few flights to tank town tonight......
Maybe a b17 run might be fun...or a 110.....maybe just hurricane :)
Who knows......lol
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I understand both sides of the story about tank town. I personally really enjoy flying to tank town in a plane. It is not due to the fact I can't get kills in air to air combat either.
1) Being a FAO is one of the more emersive parts of the game in my opinion. It's cooler on a base assault, but tank town with its many buildings and places to hide really make it cool to communicate back and forth with the guys on the ground that are searching out targets.
2) I like the fact that there are buildings galore to attack tanks on as well, I wish there were cities out in the MA that were as detailed as Tank Town. It makes it more realistic in my opinion.
3) During the day I head to TT when I'm working at home on work related material, cruising the web or stock trading. It gives me time to do both. I just up the plane and Alt-Tab out for 15 mins or so and work.
If people get upset about me being there when I show up, I usually just leave and let them fight the way they want to fight. I don't play this game to make anyone mad and I understand if they prefer to fight GV to GV only I try to let them be.
I agree though that having air cover and spotters makes the game more emersive. Also since it takes quite some time to get to TT in an aircraft it does limit planes galore and if you up a flak or M-16 and take the plane out, its unlikely they will be back for some time. That's what those units are in the game for anyhow.
Just my 2 cents. If you see me in a Mossie in Tank Town and don't want me bothering you, just give me a holar and I'll leave you alone. Otherwise park and stay still so I can shoot you easier.
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The idea behind surrounding Tank Town with high mountains was to LIMIT air access...not totally do away with it.
I always enjoyed the tank battles on the middle island in NDISLES. I wanted to see what it was like to have a big tank battle without some banana trying to drop a bomb on my head every 2 or 3 minutes.
BTW, blowing up the buildings in TT is not supposed to accomplish anything (accept wasting sometime). I guess I need to check and insure that no one is getting points for 'em :).
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Approximate time to climb to alt to get to Tank Town (20,000feet/2,500 feet per minute)
=8 minutes
Approximate time to cover 10 miles to get to the center of tank town in 500mph dive= 1.2 minutes
Time required to shoot 10 tanks on their engine decks
=10 minutes
Total time:19.2 minutes
20 perks/19.2 minutes=1.04 perks per minute
Tank town is a gold mine.
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I've ranted about this stuff so much in Tank Town, it's about time I add my 2 cents here.
You can't win at Tank Town, it's not a war, it's a shooting gallery. It's a handy escape from the war raging beyond those mountains, where a person can take a break. Some don't like tank Town, but then they don't have to go there. To many, it's a great departure that adds value to AH. Just plain fun.
Planes don't belong there. If the tankers were interested in fighting off planes, they would be happy with the many spawn points at enemy bases. But the planes have a right... so they can visit the place if they are willing to fly over those mountains... a simple choice, though a bit lame IMHO.
Why is it that some can't stand the concept that others are having fun? They have to ruin it. When they have an entire arena with hundreds of bases that they can pork and capture, why do they have to capture Tank Town bases? I can only think of one thing. To understand, you must think back to the playground of your childhood. There was always the kid who steals the ball and runs away with it just to spoil your game. Many people don't entirely grow up. They may be stock brokers, truck drivers, or librarians, but they are still the same snot nosed brats they were on the playground.
Then there are the mighty campers that set themselves up in a place where they can kill the enemy at will when they try to spawn. Often they will capture one of the enemy's bases leaving him only one spawn point. Then there will be a half dozen or more camped at that spawn point waiting for some poor guy who just wants to have fun.
Folks, if there's any dignity and sense of fair play left in this world, these types of things should be condemned and those who do it chastized publically. It's the only way the community has of controling these things. Certainly it can't be stopped, but a few might think twice before doing it.
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V-bases allow Ostwinds and M16s correct? Use them :)
I love flying into tank town just for the whines (and the 10+ kills it yields) :D
Animal and I made several sorties a few months ago... man channel 1 lit up like a christmas tree. It was golden :D
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Originally posted by Grizzly
Why is it that some can't stand the concept that others are having fun? They have to ruin it.
Hope you're not lumping me in with that bunch.
I don't ever fly to tank town; it's not the fight I'm looking for. For that matter, I don't even do GV's.
My only emotion regarding tank town is jealousy. :)
I want somebody to put a Fightertown on some map. No GV's, no buffs available unless they make a long, long journey to get there. Or don't let 'em in at all.
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Originally posted by SCDR
Why do some people fly a plane into Tank Town?
Because they can... ;)
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Easy kills.
Revenge on the poor sap that just killed their Tiger.
Because they can.
Because its there.
Everyone else is doing it.
Because they enjoy clubbing seals.
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Actually, they're NOT given their own area, manx. Planes and stuff go there, you know. That's the whole point of the thread.
Perhaps you just missed it.
Heh, think you missed it Shubie. I was being sarcastic.
As for grizz thinking planes wreck gv's fun, you obviously haven't been vulched by a bunch of flak's on a runway when you're trying to take off. I've seen airbase after airbase being picked clean by gv's, and I don't think the guys doing that sort of thing deserve their own personal area for R&R. The games already easy enough for gv's. They get to spawn seconds away from the fight, and have some of the meanest lazers in the game (tied with the B17 formations). There isn't anywhere in the game that limits gv's, why should there be an area that limits fighters?
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Only Reason I ever upped a Plane was because I was doing High Alt Recon for the Knights. I was usin an A20 with no ordinance do recon so I could direct them and their fire onto Enemy GVs, thats the only reason. I don't understand those that kill the VH's
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Good point, reminds me to take a fighter into tank town sometime. As Jabos looking for easy GV kills make easy pickings.
...-Gixer
~Hells Angels~
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me flying 110s in tiger town..dam fun....giving reports on nme movement to my gv brothers fun....
shooting down nme planes from osty or m16 in tiger town..dam fun...
your whine is crappy...
whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaa
Love BiGB
xoxo
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Getting a plane to TT would be a long and tedious ride. A P38 could carry enough ord to kill two VH, or maybe four GVs depending on type. The planes I've seen have all been very low, and if I see one I'll get an Ostwind ready. But normally the worst a plane can do is to cause me to respawn. Same goes for the other three GVs he kills, and then his fun's over.
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and if both those VHs belong to one country, no more tank town for them.
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I'm taking a lanc formation there now.:D
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Chit I crashed...flew into a dead end canyon.
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If you can't get it of the ground, you roll a tank in tank town.
If you manage to get it off the ground even with bombs you go to tank town, too.
:p
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I've enjoyed tank town, as a GV and flying. I've had GVs vox asking where they are coming in from and used rockets to point em out. Hey, its all fun.
Can't recall flying home from a sortie to tank town...the pintle gun on those tiger's is pretty effective at reducing my plane's part count :p
Seems to me the planes have as much right to be there as the GVs. Knowing it winds you up so much...oh yea, I know where I'm flying tonight! :lol
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Originally posted by SCDR
Why do some people fly a plane into Tank Town? Is it because
they can't drive a tank or is it because they want to mess with
the people that can?....
Oh god, I missed this first time through. Are we now defining the skilled in AH as those who can drive tanks?
Holy ****, that's just too much funny.
Ya know why the are called GV's? Because they are Girl's Vehicles.
Heheh, that was kinda funny.
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Force field? :) Cool. But, don't stop there. Also have alien attacks from outer space, with AI flying saucers. And, have huge blobs (not referring to FDBs here) that roam around on the ground consuming tanks and other GVs. Have live, AI-controlled giant squids that can pull CVs/ships under, unless killed first. And, create special targets, that when killed give the killer "Populous" type powers (the ability to create swamps with tank-swallowing quicksand, earthquakes, etc.).
Okay, so I've had too much coffee...
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Yay! Populous! Do i get to wear the mask? a Volcano spel in the middle of tank town would be grand :D
The AOD would be soooooo perfect here :)
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Killing VH's in Tank Town I don't think is especially sporting and I don't do that. However I don't see anything wrong with flying there to kill some airplanes that are. Flying aircover cap for GV's can be a fun sort of mission, and if you are going to fly all that way you would be silly not to bring some ord along should the opportunity present itself to "get some".
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Now I want a goon that dispenses tank mines.
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hmm a static low cloud layer at 1,000 AGL or some such (like the old storm fronts except they don't go anywhere)?
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I really don't think too many people are upset about planes flying around in tank town but, they do get upset when those planes go around puttin the vehicle hangers down. Why do it? why take bases in tank town? Like many have said tank town is suppose to be the OK Corral, a pure Hogan's Alley so let it be. Maybe the VH's in tank town should be invincible and that would solve a few problems.
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Use yer smoke shells
Like I said, so far, the GVs are swatting me down rather effectively...for the few I get, I'm helping their perks as well :cool:
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This whole thread makes me want to up a P47 and head to tank town....
Remind me when they change the name of the game to "TREADS LOW"!!!
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by SCDR
Why do some people fly a plane into Tank Town? Is it because
they can't drive a tank or is it because they want to mess with
the people that can?
HT why don't you make a "force field" around tank town so if
a plane crosses it, they blow up and the whole arena sees a
"Shame on you for trying" message.:D Yeah that would be funny.
BTW I took a 51D there today to try and run off a 38, and the
38 got my wing. Looked like a HO, but that could just be my
prospective.
SCDR
Because AH is a flight simulation game?
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Hmmm.....When the knights need Air Support, then i'll get them air support and that's my job to save knights butt. ;)
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I really don't think too many people are upset about planes flying around in tank town
Sure they are. Fly in some bombs, hit a few gv's and watch the sparks fly on ch1. That's the beauty of it really.
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If the powers that be really wanted TT to be isolated from the airwar the first thing they should do is eleminate the spawns into and especially out of the crater.
Only time I go over the rim is when Tank Town VHs are attacking airfields outside the crater.
Then I will go over to kill the VH and troops. If they attack out of the crater again we kill it and take it.
I believe if the spawns into and out of TT crater were gone a good majority of planes into the crater would stop.
So when the JABOs show up more than likely someone from TT has exited thier sancuary and stirred the hornets nest.
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If it wasnt for the spawns into, if some dweeb decides to pork and take all those fields, there's no way you're gettin one back, unless you climb a goon to 25k.. doubt it'll happen.
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Originally posted by SCDR
Why do some people fly a plane into Tank Town?
SCDR
It's so we can get a laugh from all the whines.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by beet1e
Getting a plane to TT would be a long and tedious ride. A P38 could carry enough ord to kill two VH, or maybe four GVs depending on type. The planes I've seen have all been very low, and if I see one I'll get an Ostwind ready. But normally the worst a plane can do is to cause me to respawn. Same goes for the other three GVs he kills, and then his fun's over.
A fully loaded P-38 can take out at least 5 V bases hangers. All you need are two 1,000 pound bombs and 10 rockets and a full gun load. Drop a bomb each on a V base hanger and use the rockets on a third hanger. Provided you don't get jumped by a fighter or decided to strafe the other targets at a V base, you should have enough ammo to strafe two V base hangers to destruction. It's one of the reasons why the P-38 is one of the better planes to take to Dweeb City. You can wipe out most of the enemy V bases in one pass and then sit back and enjoy the whines.
ack-ack
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my record ..landed in Tiger Town...
System: BiGB landed 10 kills in his 110 O DETH CANNON KIllER
110g w/ boms and 4-20's 2-30's load out...
mostlty panzer kills with few m8's.
i usaully shoot there tracks or engine...just diable an dgo on..i would usally get the kill when they eithere bailed or som other gv cap'd um off:)
all the tiem directing my frienldy gvs.....
dam ..tht s one of the funnest things in this game....
Love
BiGB
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There seems to be a section of dedicated spawncampers which I feel ruins the fun for those that just wanna drive around a gv and have a bit of a shooting match. Since many noobs use GVs just to get a feel for the game before they get more adventurous then is it fair that some guy whos been in AH long enough to know better, sits at the spawn point a repeatedly kills him and then happliy accepts the laurels when he lands his 20 kills in a panzer? Perhaps players should be able to choose where to spawn so that the campers dont have a fixed spawnpoint to sit at?
I never go to tanktown, no interest whatsoever, but to those that tell others not to fly planes there, I say, when u pay their 15 bucks then u can tell em where they can and cant fly. Yeah Toad, when they give is a gv, buff free fighter zone, then ill support their gv only zone too:)
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i flew into tank town before with B17s... simply to flatten the town near one of the spawn points making it easyer for my side to see nme tanks spawning, didnt work mindyou....
then i went low to scout, and got shot down by a P38 i wasnt looking for :lol
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Well as promised, I flew out there last night. But it wasn't to pop tanks for perkies and steal the fun from the GV guys. Actually I had a great time....upped a P-51B with 100% gas, plus rockets & 500 pound bombs and worked *with* my GV teammates to call locations or be on standby to assist. I was asked to intercept an M3 trying to resupply a Tiger twice and did so. Also played spotter for one or two panzers that were buried between buildings.
Maybe the original post was about planes that steal the action...or just show up, I'm not sure. I was real careful not to steal kills and such, and simply acted as a nifty little forward air controller. When I was low on fuel and rtb'd, I was thanked for my efforts...so I think the balance I tried to maintain worked out good.
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I don't mind em, what i do mind is some dweeb that does in there killing VHs..
The "I don't like tanks so i don't want you driving them either" types
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Originally posted by Rutilant
I don't mind em, what i do mind is some dweeb that does in there killing VHs..
The "I don't like tanks so i don't want you driving them either" types
the whole point of tank town is the same as the rest of the area... capturing bases. Killing a VH is how you do this. ;)
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Originally posted by Gremlin
There seems to be a section of dedicated spawncampers which I feel ruins the fun for those that just wanna drive around a gv and have a bit of a shooting match. Since many noobs use GVs just to get a feel for the game before they get more adventurous then is it fair that some guy whos been in AH long enough to know better, sits at the spawn point a repeatedly kills him and then happliy accepts the laurels when he lands his 20 kills in a panzer? Perhaps players should be able to choose where to spawn so that the campers dont have a fixed spawnpoint to sit at?
I never go to tanktown, no interest whatsoever, but to those that tell others not to fly planes there, I say, when u pay their 15 bucks then u can tell em where they can and cant fly. Yeah Toad, when they give is a gv, buff free fighter zone, then ill support their gv only zone too:)
Grizzly reads first paragraph, then reads the second, scratches head and groans.
So as long as I pay my taxes nobody better tell me what I can or can't do. This sounds like the anthem of the Anarchist Party. Hell... why even pay taxes or HTC dues... just cheat and steal the service.
Many talk of games like AH as being at some level above others, like Quake. Certainly the average age level of AH players must be much higher. And I would assume the average standard of living of AH players is a bit higher also. Many of you are professionals and businessmen and entrepreneurs. Thus I expect a bit more common sense and judgement from the AH community.
Sure, taunting is fun, and knowing you are pissing other players off is fun too. But there *should* be limits and standards of some type imposed by the community. This isn't HiTech or Skuzzy's responsibility, it's ours.
Some things go beyond fun. Some things can ruin the game for others. Some players enjoy doing this... a few have indicated so in this thread. It's our responsibility to speak up and put these griefers in their place.
Yes, they pay their $15, but their conduct can deprive others from getting what they pay for. Their conduct can turn away new players before they have had a chance to learn what AH is really about.
Recently a specialist doctor pretty much saved my life with an operation. In talking to him later, he discovered my hobby, indicated an interest and said he'd look into AH. It would be great to get more people like this involved, but I doubt he would stay online more than a minute after running into some of the yahoos we see there.
I don't really mind the planes at TT, it's fun killing them with a pindle gun. But destroying the enemy VHs and camping on the single spawn point they have left is a pretty damned crappy thing to do. Every community needs some basic standards. We can never stop people from doing things that hurt the game, but we can let it be known what we think of them. Humiliation is our only weapon.
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"Some things go beyond fun. Some things can ruin the game for others. Some players enjoy doing this... a few have indicated so in this thread. It's our responsibility to speak up and put these griefers in their place.
Yes, they pay their $15, but their conduct can deprive others from getting what they pay for. Their conduct can turn away new players before they have had a chance to learn what AH is really about. "
Unless it's Shane of course? ;)
"Recently a specialist doctor pretty much saved my life with an operation"
*Really* good to hear that Grizzly. I wasn't aware of anything amiss. And no need to go "home" early if your enjoying things down here! Al toast to your good health ! :)
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GV's
After reading all the threads about people whining about aircraft in tank down. You guys whine about bombs falling on your head, but us pilots are supposed to accept it when you GV's sit at the end of a runway and take out planes as they spawn. Or use your "spawn 20 miles away from your VH" advantage and pop up near a field and kill aircraft as they are landing or taking off. I think if we pilots can put up with that then you guys can handle the occaisional aircraft flying into tank town and dropping a bomb or two. You guys will see me in there for sure now that I know it upsets you. I think I will make it a point to be there. Thank you for your time
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Capt. Robert D. Weeks
"CoolRydr"
339thFG Commo/Intel
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Originally posted by Coolridr
You guys will see me in there for sure now that I know it upsets you. I think I will make it a point to be there. Thank you for your time
LOL I love it
At least I'll have company!
Well said!
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Originally posted by Westy
"Some things go beyond fun. Some things can ruin the game for others. Some players enjoy doing this... a few have indicated so in this thread. It's our responsibility to speak up and put these griefers in their place.
Yes, they pay their $15, but their conduct can deprive others from getting what they pay for. Their conduct can turn away new players before they have had a chance to learn what AH is really about. "
Unless it's Shane of course? ;)
Who? Oh, you mean that guy HiTech told to shutup or else? Kinda proves my point it does =o)
Originally posted by Westy
"Recently a specialist doctor pretty much saved my life with an operation"
*Really* good to hear that Grizzly. I wasn't aware of anything amiss. And no need to go "home" early if your enjoying things down here! Al toast to your good health ! :)
Thanks Westy... I felt pretty good about it too =o)
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"You guys will see me in there for sure now that I know it upsets you. I think I will make it a point to be there. Thank you for your time"
What a jerk ... :rolleyes:
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Coolridr, why would you want to do that? Reminds me of what one of those Navy piss-in-their-pants,wasn't-breastfed-enough seaman would say. Your not one of those are ya?:aok
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HOLY COW!!! :eek: I never expected to see this kind of reaction.
I was blowing off some steam because right after I upped at a VH,
guess who comes in and takes it down? Wolfala in his 38. BTW
Wolf, I salute you for admitting you HOed me.
:aok
Furious, I'm still laughing about your reply.
Pei, you have a good point, so why include GVs IF it's only
supposed to be a Flight Sim?
I like to try all aspects of any game I play (yeah yeah I'm doing
ALOT of tanking these last 2 tours) and I am sure others do the
same. Just glad this game has the people playing it that we do.
SCDR