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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: simshell on October 13, 2003, 05:59:56 PM
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why should the 152 be perked i no they perk planes to keep them in low numbers but how would the 152 see to much use when the nik is not perked and it is a late war plane that i dont think ever saw real combat and the 152 is not a great plane it rips its wing tips easy at high speed and its only good alt is 20k+
i think the 152 should be unperked;)
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Seconed.
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I agree here. The 152 on the level of threat is right above that of a squirl.
Best,
The Wolf
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Look kids your wasting your time ...... We have been over this time and time again... The plane under performes it's realistic stats and is perked.....
The 152 Is porked and perked..
kool combo HUH????
Hurmmph!!!!!!
GO FISH
Gatr
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It's used more than the spit 14 and has a better k/d... so maybe unperk it after the spit14.;)
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That's just because nobody likes the Spit14 ... not even the spitdweebs! ;) :D
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The Spit14 is a great plane but it doesn't have the safety margin of speed like the other higher perk point planes and so more likely to be lost. If it were 15-20 pts I'd fly it much more often.
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4~8 perks are enough for the Spit14.
Ta152 should be perked at 8, same as the Chog.
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Your not using it right. This plane is deadly in the right hands.
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Originally posted by Wolfala
I agree here. The 152 on the level of threat is right above that of a squirl.
Best,
The Wolf
An evil Squirrel? We have been lobbying for god knows how many years remember it used to be 50 perks. And to be honest it shouldn't be perked. Maybe we might see them acting as stangs with less of a getaway. Or maybe as squirrels.
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............................ Your Point is what?
Who cares if its perked or not. Its always a low Perk Number, so it dosen't matter.
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Kommandant i dont have 9999999999999999 fighter perks my Point is that there are planes like the nik la7 190d-9 that are unperked and have no price tag and by flying the ta 152 i can see that its not a super plane and is not any better then the 190d-9 at low to mid alt infact the 190d-9 is better at mid to low alt and people that think unperking the 152 well bring masses flying it people would rather fly 190d-9 or a better mid fighter because its only great up to 20k+ and by looking at its climb rate with wep off it takes along time for this plane to get high
but i dont see unperking this well turn it into a nik or la7 :rofl
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agree and downperk the fu-4 and spit14 a little too.
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The perk price is not a problem on any of them. It is the perk icons that make the three slower perk planes, particularly the Ta152 and Spit XIV, hard to use. Give them 190, F4U and SPIT icons and they'll be fine.
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Originally posted by Karnak
The perk price is not a problem on any of them. It is the perk icons that make the three slower perk planes, particularly the Ta152 and Spit XIV, hard to use. Give them 190, F4U and SPIT icons and they'll be fine.
I agree completely. If I knew I could "blend in" with the rest of the 190s, Spits and F4s, I'd fly a few. But heading into a fight and knowing i'd effectively be the fat kid playing dodgeball...noooooo!
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What karnak said.
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Originally posted by simshell
why should the 152 be perked i no they perk planes to keep them in low numbers but how would the 152 see to much use when the nik is not perked and it is a late war plane that i dont think ever saw real combat and the 152 is not a great plane it rips its wing tips easy at high speed and its only good alt is 20k+
i think the 152 should be unperked;)
Have you even flown this plane in the MA?
MiniD
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(OT: Karnac is right, but they will never do it.)
The 152 is a good plane.
(a) The 152 holds a supertanker load of fuel, much much more than any 190. Inexperienced people simply fly it way too heavy, especially at first because they just don't know any better.
(b) Shooting cannons well (especially 30mm) is much more difficult to learn. Learning to shoot 20mm AND 30mm at the same time is even more tough because the trajectories are much different. If you try to shoot like you have 50 Caliber you will be dissapointed everytime.
IMHO what you get are people flying too heavy and can't shoot trying the plane a few times and then putting it on the shelf thinking they have given it a fair try.
Perkwise, it is plenty cheap - a couple of spit/la7/niki kills in something other than the big 5 and you just earned enough to buy one.
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1 im used to bad trajectorie the plane i enjoy the most is the 109g-6 with only the 30mm
2 we have planes like the 190d-9 and the nik that are not perked
and the ta 152 is only better then the 190d-9 above 25k
3 almost every plane is deadly if used right even the 202:rofl
i just dont think this plane is so GREAT!!! that it needs a perk price
one last thing take look at the aces high stats the ta 152 is no were near the spit14
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Have you flown the 152 in the MA or are you just here posting a "look at me" thread in hopes of making friends by dragging in a horse that's been beaten to death already?
MiniD
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Originally posted by simshell
1one last thing take look at the aces high stats the ta 152 is no were near the spit14
http://www.innomi.com/ahkillstats/totalstats.php?sortby=kdratio_sort
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Originally posted by simshell
one last thing take look at the aces high stats the ta 152 is no were near the spit14
http://www.hitechcreations.com/cgi-bin/scores/statsresults.pl
The Ta 152H has 2 kills and has been killed 0 times against the Spitfire Mk XIV.
This was interesting:
The Ta 152H has 23 kills and has been killed 6 times against the N1K2.
and evidently here is what can happen with a guy that knows how to fly it:
Muut has 100 kills and has been killed 7 times in the Ta 152H.
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People have been making posts like this about the 152 as long as I've been here. I suggest making rants about the innacuracies in the model, then work on getting it un-perked. In any case, AH2 is upon us. I wouldn't get too worked up about it.
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Even if Ta152 would be unperked, you wouldnt see much of them.
Because its a winged POS.
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i find ta152 very similar to 190d9... never turn it... BUT if hunting buffs, its a total killer. Just few minutes ago cleared 3xb17 in a single pass with 152 riding near 500mph. I dove high and directly from their left so i was able to land hits to all of 'em. 190d9 could never accomplish the same.. Also dogfighting with 2 190A5 (or A8) at < 5k took place in second sortie. Shot down one but lack of skill with that 30mm caused ammo depletion and rtb before second was finished.
What i'm saying is that if flown properly its really seems to be like D9 with mg->20mm and 20mm->30mm.
And not forgetting the performance of LW cannons... 190d9 is not perked...
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why bother unperking it if your not gonna fly it anyway???
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one last thing take look at the aces high stats the ta 152 is no were near the spit14
Evidently you haven't.
As i said before the 152 is used more and has a better k/d than the spit14. Yet the spit14 costs 45 perks more.
Maybe the solution isn't unperking the 152 but perking the d9.;) :D
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i was not talking about its kill stats:rolleyes:
i was talking about its chart when you look at the 190d-9 and the ta 152 190d-9 is better at low to mid and low high alt the ta 152 only becomes better above 25k
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i say unperk the ta-152 or perk it as low as the f4u-1c..the ta-152 aint that fast and cant turn well under 20k..so really whats the point of perking it...if ur gonna perk it..perk just as low as the f4u-1c
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The Ta 152H has 441 kills and has been killed 176 times for a K/D ratio of 2.51 to 1.
The Ta152H has a base cost of 20 perk points.
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/ahhelp/models/charts/ta152hspeed.gif)(http://www.hitechcreations.com/ahhelp/models/charts/ta152hclimb.gif)
The Spitfire Mk XIV has 194 kills and has been killed 137 times for a K/D ratio of 1.42 to 1.
The Spitfire Mk XIV has a base cost of 60 perk points.
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/ahhelp/models/charts/spit14speed.gif)(http://www.hitechcreations.com/ahhelp/models/charts/spit14climb.gif)
Obviously something is off.
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simshell no offense bud but it shouldnt matter to you anyway. You have no business in that plane at this time.
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This is me slamming my head on my desk!!!!!
STOP the maddness
this horse is dead
AH2 is rite around the corner...
maybe they will fix it??
Gatr
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Originally posted by AHGOD
An evil Squirrel? We have been lobbying for god knows how many years remember it used to be 50 perks. And to be honest it shouldn't be perked. Maybe we might see them acting as stangs with less of a getaway. Or maybe as squirrels.
unlike the average FWeenie-type, a squirrel has nuts.
:rofl
i do agree tho' both the ta152 and spit14 are over-priced... both should be in the 10-15 range.
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Originally posted by 327thBS
i say unperk the ta-152 or perk it as low as the f4u-1c..the ta-152 aint that fast and cant turn well under 20k..so really whats the point of perking it...if ur gonna perk it..perk just as low as the f4u-1c
Ain't that fast? It is very fast. You must be leaving the landing gear down or something :)
The Ta 152H has 39 kills and has been killed 11 times against the P-51D so far this tour.
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The AH 152 may or may not be undermodelled. There are however five issues with the AH 152 that makes the perk cost unreasonable.
1. It doesn't have the speed it needs at low alt to escape, and when you need to escape you're usually low with a horde on your six looking to score perks. The Spit14 has the same problem.
2. The plane is fragile and difficult to fly and fight in because of its nasty departure characteristics, just like the 190's.
3. It's maneuvering edge over the 190D9 is tempered with added danger. The AH 152 has a nasty tendency to enter an unrecoverable nose-high spin if stalled at low speeds.
4. The AH 152 is out-accelerated by almost all the late-war monsters.
5. The perktag makes it horde bait.
Solution: Model a better version of the 152, these machines were Tempest killers. Or lose/reduce the perk cost and remove the horde-beacon (goes for the Spit14 and perk F4U's as well).
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Originally posted by GScholz
The AH 152 may or may not be undermodelled. There are however five issues with the AH 152 that makes the perk cost unreasonable.
1. It doesn't have the speed it needs at low alt to escape, and when you need to escape you're usually low with a horde on your six looking to score perks. The Spit14 has the same problem.
2. The plane is fragile and difficult to fly and fight in because of its nasty departure characteristics, just like the 190's.
3. It's maneuvering edge over the 190D9 is tempered with added danger. The AH 152 has a nasty tendency to enter an unrecoverable nose-high spin if stalled at low speeds.
4. The AH 152 is out-accelerated by almost all the late-war monsters.
5. The perktag makes it horde bait.
Solution: Model a better version of the 152, these machines were Tempest killers. Or lose/reduce the perk cost and remove the horde-beacon (goes for the Spit14 and perk F4U's as well).
Actually the D9 was the Tempest killer. Because of Reschke's comments about his engagement with Temps has given it this psuedo Godlike status over temps. Now the C model would be sweet C-3 to be specific. I find it hard to believe the acceleration times of the 152 and of its real life counterpart were that crappy. I have seen pregnant pigs move faster then that. And just to clarify the swine kind.
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The 152 is very much a late war plane, anyone can fly the early ones easily, but the late ones choose their own pilots.
0. E retention exploitation is many times more profitable than most other planes.
1. It has much better E retention than the D9, better than the 51D, even just in very shallow dives. The spit14 also has improved E retention over the '9, which sounds like late war-level optimisation of the design, because the 152's is obviously not a very great engine if not just power/weight-wise.
2. The plane is fragile and difficult to fly and fight in because of its nasty departure characteristics, just like the 190's, but not really that bad if you just know where and how thin the departure limit is. It's true you may be easily mislead to think it will just behave like the 190D in borderline stall situations, it does not. Different animal almost altogether.
3. Its maneuvering edge over the 190D9 is tempered with added danger. The AH 152 has a nasty tendency to enter an unrecoverable nose-high spin if stalled at low speeds, but only if you are rather (very) careless. It's just about guaranteed to win a 1:1 vs the D9 unless the fight victory depends on fast flicking, which the 152 handles thickly like the F4Us, the P40s and others; the tail will lock up easily.
4. The AH 152 is out-accelerated by almost all the other late-war monsters. And certainly takes eons to accelerate even at its "best" altitude. Pyro answered one of the times there were many questions everywhere about the 152's seemingly sub-par performance, and in his explanation, mentionned MW50 but never GM1. Kind of odd.
5. The perktag makes it horde bait.
Solution: Model a better version of the 152, the C would be nice, at least because we're not likely to see a D11/D12 anytime soon.
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considering the E retention advantage the plane holds, if you are patient, you can solve the acceleration problem by climbing 5-10k higher than your target altitude, and use the near infinite E retention to dive down, reach and keep a high speed from then on.