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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Chairboy on October 14, 2003, 03:48:52 PM
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Howdy,
I'm not sure if everyone knows or not, but China may be within 24 hours of their first manned space flight. This is a big deal, as the only countries to launch people into space aboard their own spacecraft so far have been USA and Russia/Soviet Union.
The chinese spacecraft is designed after the solid Soyuz design from Russia, but while Russia has contributed greatly to helping, the chinese say that it's definately not just a knock-off and their craft has additional capabilities.
I wish the chinese people well, and I hope their Taikonauts return safely! The more people in space, the better.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
The more people in space, the better.
I'll leave that one alone.:D
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QUICK, INTO THE DEBRIS SHELTER!
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I hope this doesn't interfere with the U.S.'s "manned space vehicle interceptor" weapon scheduled for testing the same day.
MiniD
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Here are some images:
Artists concept of the spacecraft in orbit:
(http://www.space.com/images/shenzhou2a_010110_03.jpg)
Here's what the rocket it launches on looks like:
(http://www.legendshobbies.com/dragonair/1999%5B1%5D.jpg)
Go taikonauts!
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Originally posted by funkedup
QUICK, INTO THE DEBRIS SHELTER!
That's incredibly wrong; it's also incredibly wrong that I'm laughing. :)
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Go taikonauts!
Are they planning on bringing them back?
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I suggest everyone follow Mietla's lead and dust off all the good old soviet cosmonaut jokes. You can save a lot of time this way!
Go Taikonauts!
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Freeze dried cat and fetus anyone?
-SW
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GO TAIKONAUTS KEKEKEKKEKE ^_~
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So whats the recovery method? Parachute and terra firma landing or splash?
Whats Chinese space food like? Rice/fish packets? Or Dog paste? :D (I know, I know, thats not right...)
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Holy crap its 1961 all over again, the commies are launching men to orbit while we're down here watching them, unable to access orbit ourselves for some time to come... Yikes!
May I ask the group whose fault it is?
Group?
:lol
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Holy crap they actually did it!
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
May I ask the group whose fault it is?
[SIZE=10]CLINTON!!![/SIZE]
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I think congrats to the Chinese and achievement of what still is a very significant event.
...-Gixer
~Hells Angels
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You think they are serious about reaching Mars?
I hope so.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
[SIZE=10]CLINTON!!![/SIZE] [/B]
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/campfin/stories/satellite123198.htm
Two American aerospace companies damaged U.S. national security when they provided Chinese space engineers with technical rocketry data that could have assisted Beijing's ballistic missile program, a House committee concluded yesterday in a classified 700-page report.
The panel's report is the most comprehensive review so far of evidence that Hughes Electronics Corp. and Loral Space & Communications Ltd. shared sensitive U.S. technologies as they pursued commercial relations in China. The committee's findings appeared to include detailed criticism of the Clinton administration's policy of loosening high-tech export restrictions as a way to promote trade.
"China's leaders are banking on a successful flight being a huge boost to the country's prestige and a demonstration of **its technological prowess. "
** Clintons
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Holy crap its 1961 all over again, the commies are launching men to orbit while we're down here watching them, unable to access orbit ourselves for some time to come... Yikes!
May I ask the group whose fault it is?
Group?
:lol
The Commies?
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Crabofix why do you have a picture of John Wayne as an avatar by the way? Is there some special meaning to it?
The interesting thing about the Chinese space launch ( to me) is that they refused to say when it would happen until after the fact and refused to broadcast it live out of fear it would fail. To me it shows they are more than 40 years behind in getting a man into space, both scientifically and culturally.
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Originally posted by Animal
You think they are serious about reaching Mars?
I hope so.
As do I. But I don't want them to be first. =]
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Originally posted by NUKE
Crabofix why do you have a picture of John Wayne as an avatar by the way? Is there some special meaning to it?
Why?......good question, I need to change it.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Howdy,
I'm not sure if everyone knows or not, but China may be within 24 hours of their first manned space flight. This is a big deal, as the only countries to launch people into space aboard their own spacecraft so far have been USA and Russia/Soviet Union.
The chinese spacecraft is designed after the solid Soyuz design from Russia, but while Russia has contributed greatly to helping, the chinese say that it's definately not just a knock-off and their craft has additional capabilities.
I wish the chinese people well, and I hope their Taikonauts return safely! The more people in space, the better.
it is a great achievment for them, but I would be more impressed if they were not using modified Russsian equipment.
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Well Right now it took off, the first manned chines spaceship.
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Originally posted by Octavius
As do I. But I don't want them to be first. =]
My thoughts too.
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I just want humans to reach Mars. If the USA are the first to do so, then thats just icing on the cake.
China has two more goals they have before mars. Building a space station comparable to Mir, and building a permanent settlement in the moon.
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If the US put a national effort into going to Mars even a fraction of what we did to reach the moon, we would be there soon if not already. As it stands I doubt the US will ever put a fraction of the drive behind getting humans on Mars than which the Chinese seem to be willing to exert.
That being said...China is about 40-60 years behind the US in getting a man only into orbit........considering they used US and Soviet know-how just to be able to do that much.
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Uhh, isn't the space shuttle like, 1970's technology? Another thing, the Chinese won't have to relearn alot of the stuff the US and Russia already spent time and money learning.
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so now china will send peoples in space for less money then russia and US? ;-)
soon they will own whole world:)
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Uhh, isn't the space shuttle like, 1970's technology? Another thing, the Chinese won't have to relearn alot of the stuff the US and Russia already spent time and money learning.
The Shuttle is 1970's US technology, unmatched even today by any nation.
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Originally posted by NUKE
The Shuttle is 1970's US technology, unmatched even today by any nation.
Because no one has tried to match or surpass it. The Russian shuttle was somewhat better but it went down the ****ter.
A better, safer, cheaper to operate alternative to the shuttle is more than viable with todays technology.
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Originally posted by NUKE
The Shuttle is 1970's US technology, unmatched even today by any nation.
Your just full of it, 70 s "US" technology, unmatched?
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I doubt the Russian version ( copy) was better, since it was never completed and was only capable of a couple of un-manned orbits due to lack of life support and computer limits. And this was YEARS after the American shuttle was in regular service.
And the Russion version was only a copy that didnt even fly one person into orbit.
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Originally posted by crabofix
Your just full of it, 70 s "US" technology, unmatched?
Tell me what nation matched the US space shuttle?
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Originally posted by NUKE
Tell me what nation matched the US space shuttle?
Not talking about the shuttle, but the technology, US was probebly researching everything by themself and took no help from anyone else? WoOooOW, A complete new "old 70´s" technology, that no one knows about?
And no one will be able to match it the year 2003 If they found it worth to waste money on it?
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Let me clear it up for you: The US developed the space shutttle in the late 60's through mid seventies, completeing the project in the late 70's and launching it into space in the early 1980's and no other nation has duplicated it since.
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Originally posted by NUKE
Let me clear it up for you: The US developed the space shutttle in the late 60's through mid seventies, completeing the project in the late 70's and launching it into space in the early 1980's and no other nation has duplicated it since.
Ok, so you think, that if there was anything to "earn" with this, no one would make an effort? It is an enourmouse cost to develop a spacecraft. But dont say that others dont have the technology to do it.
Cause the chinese took of in a "shuttle"
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Competition is good! Race to Mars is ON! ;)
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Here's a more fitting one to play with :
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_19_1066203671.jpg)
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I have to see the footage of them trying to eat in zero gravity with chopsticks:rofl
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Yeaaaaah...Jackie Chan in space, I think I'll wait for the video.
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I'm no chinese apologist, but technically, their Shenzhou spacecraft is the most modern spacecraft design in service. The Soyuz is still full of analog equipment, as is the US space shuttle. The Shenzhou is apparently a ground-up re-design of the Soyuz. If the Soyuz design threatens you, then keep in mind that there has been discussion about the Soviet Union 'appropriating' a GE spacecraft design remarkably like Soyuz in the 60s.
http://www.astronautix.com/articles/wastolen.htm
If it makes anyone feel better.... :D
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Oh, and the Buran was a technologically superior design. It should have been, it was developed about 10 years after the US shuttle and was able to take advantage of 10 years of technology.
It could do feats the US shuttle couldn't, including automatic landing (the first flight of the soviet shuttle was unmanned because it COULD be unmanned, the US shuttle first flight was manned because they had no other option) and aborts through all phases of launch.
The soviet shuttle was scrapped because of a tiny roadbump in its development schedule, namely that the entire Soviet Union collapsed shortly after its first flight. It wasn't because the design was unsound. Finally, when Russia had enough money to start spending on space again after a couple years, they looked at the shuttle design and realized what most people realized in the US about the shuttle, that it is an extraordinarilly expensive way to go to space. The US spends $500 million per launch of the 'advanced re-usable shuttle'. The russians spend 1/10th that for their disposable spacecraft. Who's the sucker?
If you'd like to read more about the development of the US shuttle and why it is so expensive, check out Jensen's definitive guide on the subject:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0963397451/qid=1066207682/sr=8-3/ref=sr_8_3/104-7461083-4888700?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
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If the history repeats itself, they'll be having at least one russian cosmonaut in the craft, helping it's crew to get it in the space.. and probably back ;)
Originally posted by NUKE
Let me clear it up for you: The US developed the space shutttle in the late 60's through mid seventies, completeing the project in the late 70's and launching it into space in the early 1980's and no other nation has duplicated it since.
It might have something to do with the disinterest in space on a global scale, since theres nothing of interest except for the money blackhole.
Only real business up there is the satellites and there seems to be enough competition already.. the russians and americans.
So all in all, it would cost alot more to get into the space than theres profit.
....which is quite much the reason why US hasn't been developing new space shuttles with a hurry.
Hurried space development and competition pretty much died when soviet union collapsed... actually already before that.
People can always achieve something outstanding and have nobody else do it, if they pour helluva lot money into it :D
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Great stuff stolen tech or not, it takes a brave man to sit on top of all that explosive stuff when launching.
Moon is nest for them i read somewhere and that is within the next 3 years.
Guess they need some space there is about 1 billion of them :D
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Originally posted by GScholz
Fishu, actually it's the French who owns most of the satellite launching marked.
Not only the French :
(http://www.arianespace.com/site/images/imgshare.gif)
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Originally posted by GScholz
Fishu, actually it's the French who owns most of the satellite launching marked.
Well everyone has gotta be good at something, even them.. :D
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Originally posted by GScholz
Fishu, actually it's the French who owns most of the satellite launching marked.
Thats surprising.. should keep closer look at those.
What have they done to get to that.. I'm sure those arent' just Canal+ satellites :>
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Originally posted by Fishu
Thats surprising.. should keep closer look at those.
What have they done to get to that.. I'm sure those arent' just Canal+ satellites :>
Ariane.
http://www.arianespace.com
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"herro Reijing, I ran ree you rum reer"
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Must be cool to have a billion people, so you dont have to start your manned space flights with dogs or monkeys.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Ariane.
http://www.arianespace.com
Ariane is multi national space program, so it leaves a question what is frenchies position in this, as they've been putting up alot of satellites down to their records?
Should probably look at the specializations of each country in the program, that could probably explain it... in the case other countries takes the money for building the satellites and frenchies takes the credits of delivery.
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repost :
(http://www.arianespace.com/site/images/imgshare.gif)
It comes from arianespace web site.
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Originally posted by straffo
repost :
It comes from arianespace web site.
I were first looking it was the amount of satellites delivered versus other countries in EU
Haven't had enough time to check out the site :)
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Oooops ... right I didn't undertood Gsholtz post right.
It's the share repartition of ariannespace I guess it make it more Yuropean than French :)
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Ariane isdominated by France and its launched from a french colony (?) in South America....
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Ariane isdominated by France and its launched from a french colony (?) in South America....
It's a "Département" a DOM (Département d'Outre-Mer) not a TOM (Territoire d'Outre-Mer) a sort of county.
They have a status quite similar to France (métropolitaine) Départements with a few minor local adaptation.
A contrario the TOM are more autonomous.
it's a extremly simplified version.
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Originally posted by NUKE
Let me clear it up for you: The US developed the space shutttle in the late 60's through mid seventies, completeing the project in the late 70's and launching it into space in the early 1980's and no other nation has duplicated it since.
That's mostly because the shuttle is rather uneconomical as far as $/lb of payload goes compared to rockets. Here's a complicated study on the shuttle (http://www.wws.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/byteserv.prl/~ota/disk3/1982/8226/822611.PDF) and here's a nice comparative one (http://www.futron.com/pdf/FutronLaunchCostWP.pdf). The comparative one shows that out of all the heavy launchers, the shuttle is the most expensive for Low Earth Orbit ($567/lb or 14% more than the next most expensive) and Geosynchronous Transfer Orbit ($12,056/lb or 110% more than the next most expensive). However, these figures are somewhat speculative, given the fact that the shuttle is not a commercial vehicle, and that the figure is worked out from the maximum capacity rather than the actual payload sent up. However it serves as a "rule of thumb" comparision.
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the Moon and especially Mars stories are overimflated news and pure propaganda
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Originally posted by Pooh21
Must be cool to have a billion people, so you dont have to start your manned space flights with dogs or monkeys.
that's a good one!!!!
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Originally posted by Pooh21
Must be cool to have a billion people, so you dont have to start your manned space flights with dogs or monkeys.
that's a good one!!!!:aok :aok
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Well....I have three words for you guys....POLAR ORBITING SATELLITE.
It ain't about the weather boys....this type of satellite is needed to guide ICBM's accurately.
Sit back and watch how we respond to this one...will be interesting.
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Well....I have three words for you guys....POLAR ORBITING SATELLITE.
It ain't about the weather boys....this type of satellite is needed to guide ICBM's accurately.
Sit back and watch how we respond to this one...will be interesting.
While at the same time reinforcing the fact that they can boost a Intercontinental MIRV bus to some day take advantage of that capability.
Good read on the Chinese missile program: http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/WEBONLY/publicfeature/may01/china.html
Charon
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Originally posted by -ammo-
"herro Reijing, I ran ree you rum reer"
LMAO!