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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: boxboy28 on October 15, 2003, 10:01:24 AM
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The U.S. Supreme Court agreed Tuesday to revisit the thorny question of how to protect children from online smut without resorting to unconstitutional censorship. "The case asks whether, in the name of children, Congress wants to restrict too much material that adults have the right to see or buy. On a more practical level, the court will decide whether the government can require some form of an adults-only screening system to ensure children cannot see material deemed harmful to them."
Read the entire story here.
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This will only hurt us.
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It would be easy enough to offer parents the tools to help protect their children by requiring all sites with porn to identify themselves via header. Browsers could then be configured via password to block those sites. This would infringe on no one's constitutional rights.
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Wow I agree with Iron, will wonders never stop.
It would be an easy solution to implemenet and still keep the user the option to turn it on or off
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Exactly what Iron said. Would it really be that hard to require a new HTML tag to be placed on all sites with adult content, and be supported by any browsers out there? Seems like a pretty easy fix, and making it easy for smut providers to do something positive to help is a good idea, considering the fact that any law enacted by the US congress is only going to be good in the US.
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great idea, and how you going to enforce it on the sites located outside of US ?
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Obviously it can't be enforced outside of the US but what Nation wouldn't want to expend such little effort to protect it's children?
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well iron, even our own US companies aren't coorperating on spam issues because there is too much money involved.
Same will apply to foregin contries where proper palms were greased.
Btw, i agree that something should be done, but don't think the current idea is workable. you are basing it on good will of those living off the smut, think about it.
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I don't think those under 18 contribute much to the financial profitability of porn sites, could be wrong. Not suggesting the disclosure be voluntary, make it law, worldwide. Stiff penalties to violaters and rewards to those reporting them.
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yes
leave porn but be sure to remove "God" from the Pledge :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Eagler
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leave porn but be sure to remove "God" from the Pledge :rolleyes:
ROTFLOL!:D ;)
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Your tax dollars at work. :rolleyes:
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There goes my sex life - Sheesh!
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Originally posted by AKIron
I don't think those under 18 contribute much to the financial profitability of porn sites, could be wrong. Not suggesting the disclosure be voluntary, make it law, worldwide. Stiff penalties to violaters and rewards to those reporting them.
You're on the right track - minors don't have credit cards. Profitable solution would be no more free porn, but I don't see that happening anytime soon. More logical solution would be to require credit cards prior to giving out free trial samples, but then there's the "trust" that the porn provider won't charge anyway.
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Originally posted by DmdNexus
There goes my sex life - Sheesh!
You'll always have the AH sheep. ;)
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Originally posted by Eagler
yes
leave porn but be sure to remove "God" from the Pledge :rolleyes:
Ahhh...the wisdom of mankind
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that wont stop the outside sites or the backdoor entrances to the sites.
Its up to the parents to monitor and install programs/setting to prevent the children from viewing.
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Originally posted by gofaster
You're on the right track - minors don't have credit cards. Profitable solution would be no more free porn, but I don't see that happening anytime soon. More logical solution would be to require credit cards prior to giving out free trial samples, but then there's the "trust" that the porn provider won't charge anyway.
Hard enough to regulate here in the US, impossible worldwide. It's neither restrictive nor costly to require by International law the disclosure of adult content. There will be some cost in enforcement, how much is dependant on how profitiable it is to circumvent the law. Like I mentioned, how much would these site's lose by losing the patronage of those whose parent's object?
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This is a real issue for public net access sies as well.
Case in point. The wife works at the local university library. The library is a public institution that HAS to allow access by all including non students. This includes the elementary and junior high students whose parents "use" the library as an after school "daycare" for their kids. Some of the local "colorful"people (ie. street bums) like to come in and set as many monitors as they can to the raunchiest porn sites they can find then walk away. In all fairness some of the students do this as well.
The library has determined that under "free speech" guidelines that they set, they cannot hinder the access to all of the net from anyone. That would be discriminatory. (this is the same library admin. who does not want military folks in uniform in the library and will not hire exmilitary to work as they are "too military". Same for police officers.)
The library was told that they could use software to password the computers or limit a few to the xxx sites but that was unsatisfactory to them. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
Its up to the parents to monitor and install programs/setting to prevent the children from viewing.
Yep.
Unfortunately in the last 70 years or so, politicians have learned that they can get re-elected by taxing us and using the revenue to do things for us which were are perfectly capable of and should be required to do for ourselves.
It's all about the least common denominator now. Welcome to the Nanny State.
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
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We have a rating system for movies and television. Why should the Internet be any different?
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Its up to the parents to monitor and install programs/setting to prevent the children from viewing.
I agree completely but Irons idea would make it much much easier without stomping on anyones rights. puting a tag in your url won't hurt the porn sites (it'll probably make it easier for their customers to find them).
as far as other contries, there is nothing we can do about it. but we should really worry more about taking care of what we can, and hoping it catches on in other countries.
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I just want them to move all the porn to ".sex" so I can find it.
And as an added benefit parents can block all content from ".sex"
Medical information can be moved to ".med"
Beside a legit Porn site doesn't want children - they don't own credit cards, they want the male (or female) customer who has money to subscribe. Rather than trick people through pop ups and switching adverts, and search words... just set aside an area of the internet where everyone knows where they.
Seems simple enough... hardly a restriction of speach... more of a classification... like a library would classify a book so it's easier to find.
And if people don't want to see it... they don't go there.
Ok so if that can't happen...
Parental control.
It takes an adult to have a credit card, it takes an adult to sign up for an ISP account using that credit card, it takes an adult (usually) to buy a 1,000 computer. It takes an adult to decide where in the house to put this computer, it takes an adult to allow a child to get on the computer....
So why is it now the US Governement's responsibility to watch the kid surf the internet, and to prevent that kid from seeing a material that the ADULT doesn't want the child to see?
So if I give my child a gun, with bullets, and tell him to go play on the freeway, and he shoots at passing drivers...
Perhaps the government should pass a law to make all cars bullet proof and with spongy rubber bumbers so no one gets hurt.
The anti-porn people are absurd.
I dont' like it popping up in my face, everytime it try to find something on Breast Cancer - that's annoying - but that's about it.
Should very young children be exposed to it.. I don't think so, though I'm more anti violence than I'm anti-sex.
I'd rather wave a flag against gratuitous violence on TV, in cartoons, and every where else in our society.
I think seeing consentual erotic acts of sex between two people (or 18 people) is less immoral than seeing and glorifying killing someone with a 12 inch drill bit shoved through their eye socket or the hero shooting everyone with a gun at the conclusion of practically EVERY freaking story told in our society.
Exposure to violence is more harmful than exposure to sex.
Our country is twisted.
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Originally posted by fd ski
great idea, and how you going to enforce it on the sites located outside of US ?
Well, you can't, which if you read my post it clearly stated that is why making something that was easy to integrate into a web page would be a good idea. The browser would still have to put in support for it, which would also be easy, and probably pretty enforceable...Nutscrape and IE are both made by US companies and are used worldwide. What about Opera?
Normally I'm of the mind that parents should be parents, but this could be so retardedly simple to impliment, why not try it?
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Originally posted by Eagler
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leave porn but be sure to remove "God" from the Pledge :rolleyes:
Good ole predictable Eagler. We can always count on you to bring some irrelivant morality into the argument. Last I checked none of the schools in my area recited a pledge to Ron Jeremy. Maybe it's different in Florida?
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SOB
you get testy when u fear your online Saturday Nite "mates" maybe pulled from ur puter :)
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They can't take what I've already downloaded! Muhahahahahahaha!!!
Wait, can they?! :(
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Originally posted by AKIron
We have a rating system for movies and television. Why should the Internet be any different?
Sounds easy enough, now you have me wondering why that haven't adopted this method!
Sure would be easier than having more than one internet.
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AKIron's idea is unconstitutional in the US. It abridges the right to free speach.
"You can say what what you want, as long as you do the following."
Darn leftists. Parents should be responsible for raising their kids, not the state. The parents should upgrade from Windows 3.1 and put administrative controls on the computers browser. Cripes, or may actually supervise their children. :eek:
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adults cant always watch us...
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Originally posted by Thrawn
AKIron's idea is unconstitutional in the US. It abridges the right to free speach.
"You can say what what you want, as long as you do the following."
Darn leftists. Parents should be responsible for raising their kids, not the state. The parents should upgrade from Windows 3.1 and put administrative controls on the computers browser. Cripes, or may actually supervise their children. :eek:
Please elaborate how you think adding an adult tag to a web site is an abridgement to free speech. And btw, it's not really my idea, seems I read this proposal some time ago.
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.sex is the way it should be, and any site that backdoors or shows porn or explict material that is NOT on a .sex site should be prosecuted. Free Speech does not mean anything, anywhere, anytime.
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There are programs available to filter and parents can use whatever they like.
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so we should move all the backroom material in the video store to the front display counter as well thrawn...free speech is only free within the law...ex. your allowed to talk about how the gov. is doing a ****ty assed job and you can talk about how you'r gonna get them outta there legally...but you cant talk about how your gonna sniper his bellybutton (thats treason and murder)
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My youngest son is taking his first college level class in government. He is truly perplexed about liberals and conservatives. His text indicates that liberals are for more government interactivity and freedom while conservatives are for less government and order. He cannot understand how you can have more government involvement and increase freedom.
He wasn't satisfied with my answer that all liberals suck so I told him to ask his teacher. ;)
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Originally posted by AKIron
He cannot understand how you can have more government involvement and increase freedom.
That makes two of us.
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>>but you cant talk about how your gonna sniper his bellybutton (thats treason and murder)
Because there's a caveat to American free speech - and it has always been a part of the Bill of Rights and the principles of the Constitution.
America has "responsible" free speech.