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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ripsnort on October 15, 2003, 03:16:23 PM
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777-300 Extended Range
The Boeing 777-300ER completed the longest engine-out demonstration flight ever in support of Extended Operations certification, when it flew more than five hours with one of its two engines shut down. The airplane began its extended-range twin-engine operations flight-test program Tuesday.
(http://home.comcast.net/~ripsnort60/777.jpg)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
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777-300 Extended Range
(http://home.comcast.net/~ripsnort60/777.jpg)
C'mon Rip....Airbus is far superior to Boeing:)
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And Yugo's are less expensive than Porsches. :) But hey, they do the same thing...point A to point B.
(Incidently, Airbus uses the same engines for their aircraft as Boeing, though I'm not sure this particular engine is in an Airbus fleet just yet.)
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What's so special about that, even a Tupolev can do that.:D A nice plane anyways. I doubt there will be an Airbus with those engines, they are HUGE.
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Originally posted by mora
What's so special about that, even a Tupolev can do that.:D A nice plane anyways. I doubt there will be an Airbus with those engines, they are HUGE.
Maybe that new double decker? I'm not sure whats going to power that.
Huge is right, a 737 fuselage can fit inside the cowling of that engine.
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The A380 wont't have so large engines. It's going to get 4x70,000 pounds of thrust engines. Those Beasts have 115,000 pounds of thrust.
Nice site about the A380:
http://www.aerospace-technology.com/projects/a380/
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Originally posted by mora
The A380 wont't have so large engines. It's going to get 4x70,000 pounds of thrust engines. Those Beasts have 115,000 pounds of thrust.
Nice site about the A380:
http://www.aerospace-technology.com/projects/a380/
Ah, thks for that info.
Yeah, the initial 777 engines were 92,000 lbs. of thrust, and it appears they've boosted them up to 115,000 now! Whoa!
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did it land with just the one engine too?
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Those two airplanes, WD501 and WD502 777-300s are without doubt two of the most amazing aircraft I have ever worked on and in. The sheer size of the beasts and the magnitude of technology built into them is mind numbing. At the time I said to myself, I said: Self, if there is an eighth and ninth wonder of the world, these planes are the genuine deal.
Although my time with Boeing is coming to a close I can truly say that in spite of Phil Conduit, the people that have built Boeing into what it is today have done amazing things as individuals and as team members, each working for a thing larger than themselves. A legend. The people that Built history making military airplanes such as the B17, B29, B47, B52. Commercial airplanes including the first successfull commercial jet, The 707. Followed by the 727, 737, 747, 757, 767 and 777.
Unfortunately, Boeing is gambling away its highly skilled and paid workforce like so much garbage in favour of cheap foreign engineers and techs from the likes of Russia and India.
I wish them luck. They will need it.
Until then, keep an eye on Airbus. For better or worse Boeing (aka McDonnel Dougles) has handed over the reigns of premier commercial airplane manufacturer to the euros.
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If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going.
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Precious little, if any, of the 7E7 will be constructed in Seattle. Major sub-assemblies built overseas will be flown in on 3 specially modifed 747s and "snapped together", most likely at the Everett plant but who knows, corporate is even jerking that one around for maximum political gain. An estimated 800 US workers will do the "snapping", or final assembly, and about half that many will do the flight test and customer handoff. Meanwhile almost 25,000 workers in the Puget Sound region have been put out to pasture with little to no chance of recall in the current economic downturn and the poorly executed plan for introducing new technology airplanes into the Boeing Stable to compete with Airbus. IMO Boeing should have had a plan to develope an entirely new family of next generation airplanes twenty years ago. All we have done is build one "all new" airplane model since the 757/767 family designed back in the early eighties, twenty years ago. We knew about airbus then and what they were doing and were capable of. Our corporate executives failed the company.
Now Boeing is taking advantage of the horrid business climate to completely reshape their manufacturing philosophy. Soon all Boeing will be doing is the final assembly, check out and finally stamping the name "Boeing" on the ID placard. "Built in the U.S.A" will no longer be honestly applicable.
"Built by Global Partners" is the future of Boeing. Even then our global partners, including China, will no doubt be taking notes
and developing their own processes for the inevitable counter to the Western manufacturing giants, Airbus and to a more and more lessor extent Boeing.
So, the old adage "If it aint Boeing, I aint Going" will soon no longer be an endoresment of the skill and resourcefullness of the american worker. That phrase which has stood and served the working class for so long is losing its credibility rapidly. Instead, it will be a sad and inevitable ode to globalization.
Boeing is sacrificing the american worker in the name of corporate greed and share holder value. Of course under the guise of "we must do this to survive". BS is what it is. They are endangering the security of the american economic system and skipping out on the american worker, their benifits and retirement, robbing the federal treasury of collected income taxes and basically hard screwing those that have brought the legendary company unbridled success through sacrifice for 80+ years. Its a LOSE-LOSE proposition imo. Of course Phil Conduit and Harry Stoneciphor and a cadre of elite corporate officers are accumulating great wealth at the expense of everyone else.
Sad to this employees eyes. In this view I almost prefer Airbus. But hey, unless Im at the Yoke I prefer not to fly at all.
Just my opinion.
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Couldn't agree more with your assessment, Yeager. Previous CO's at Boeing used to take high risks by moving forward with new aircraft types, nowadays, due to the "Boomer" generation of CO's, those high risks to better the future and foundation of Boeing could care less about the company and care more about their portfolios and retirement packages.
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What happens when the other engine quits?
:p
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going.
Traveling with that attitude can be quite hard now and even more so in the future.
Was that Sonic Cruiser just a publicity stunt or was there any plans to actually build that bird?
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Originally posted by mora
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Was that Sonic Cruiser just a publicity stunt or was there any plans to actually build that bird?
Boeing was ready to move forward with the Sonic Cruiser. Wind tunnel tests were almost complete and the go-ahead would have been ordered had their been an interest from the airlines (no launch customer ever hinted of wanting to be "the first", combined with the timing of 9/11, this futuristic jet just had bad luck hitting the market when it did)
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Originally posted by Toad
What happens when the other engine quits?
:p
You tell US Mr. Commercial Pilot! :)
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Quote:"But hey, unless Im at the Yoke I prefer not to fly at all."
Last I heard, most Airbus planes have no yokes. Only a non-force feedback j/s.
I have only flown in one Airbus plane, a A-319 and I was not impressed at all. It did not seem to want to fly at all, using in my opinion, a lot of runway to get into the air. I was sitting in the rear of the cabin, and during the entire flight, the plane seemed to porpose slightly.
I realize that one flight is not a fair assesment, but then I am biased toward Boing having worked there for 26 years.
Seeing the changes over that time, I'm sure that my kids won't be working here.
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There really is no difference to the passenger in the small jets. 737, A320 and MD series are very much identical in performance, the only thing that matters is the interior configuration.
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Good article in the Times editorial page:
Column: How much more must we grovel?
Seattle Times 10/16/03
author: Nicole Brodeur
(Copyright 2003)
So now they want a fleet of cargo planes?
And even if we bankrupt ourselves to meet this, the latest demand from Boeing, the most we can hope for from the 7E7 contract is the honor of making the tail fin?
I'll tell you what you can do with your tail fin, Mr. CEO Phil Condit.
And as for you, Boeing Commercial Airplanes Chief Alan Mulally, well ... To paraphrase your recent, high-minded remarks to the Rotary Club of Seattle about our state's business competitiveness and transportation network: You suck, too.
I guess being a corporate giant in a troubled economy means you can treat entire states with the same self-important disregard that Arnold Schwarzenegger has shown women foolish enough to have rear-ends.
State officials have already offered Boeing a textbook example of corporate welfare, serving up more tax breaks and incentives than the state's middle- and low-income residents will ever know in their lives.
In return, we're being offered the sorry south end of the 7E7. Literally.
It's a taunting taste of what some other place will get for being able to touch its nose to its toes, and get Boeing parts from here to there without having to stop for gas, lunch and dinner.
Granted, our lawmakers should be throttled for sitting on their hands while hundreds of thousands of cars choked Washington's roads over the past decade or so, making business transportation something akin to the Pony Express.
(And don't get me started on Sound Transit or the Monorail; the yoga and deep breathing are just starting to take).
But the place known as Jet City should get a little more consideration from the company that made its name here. We've already been dumped; do we have to model swimsuits beside Kansas, Texas, Japan and — the indignity — Italy to get a second look?
If that's the kind of dealmakers Boeing's honchos are, then they don't need cargo planes.
What they need is to be pushed into the back of a battered Buick Skylark as they step out of their Windy City headquarters, and driven to a dark alley on the South side of Chicago for a little talk about what it means to be fair, decent businessmen. Then they should be left to find their own way home.
We lost a large part of our identity when Boeing moved its headquarters to Chicago.
Now, with the 7E7 contract being dangled in front of us like a check from the Publisher's Clearinghouse, we're losing some of our pride, as well.
Take the wings of the 7E7. It looks like they will be made in Japan.
We used to be known for our wings. Boeing loved our wings. Boeing bragged about them as its key engineering marvel, our wings.
It's like your kid suddenly choosing canned soup over the homemade you've slaved over, and he's raved over, for years.
You can't help but feel hurt, angry and confused.
Have we changed that much? Or has Boeing?
I'm not even sure they're in the airplane business anymore.
This feels more like being railroaded.