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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: FUNKED1 on October 15, 2003, 07:32:14 PM
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They just moved a few notches up the **** list. (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&ncid=578&e=4&u=/nm/20031015/ts_nm/mideast_dc)
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:mad: :mad: :mad:
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Iran and/or Syria probably had more to do with this than any Palestinians did.
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Release the Hounds!
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Them people are all Idiots anyway.
I dont know why the world even bothers with them!
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u.s. security man ? from what agency of the u.s.?
we have troops in isreal ? news to me.
or israeli who holds american passport ( 30% of the country last i heard does but not americans in my book as mostly their first loyalty lies elsewhere).
big difference to me at least.
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Originally posted by mrblack
Them people are all Idiots anyway.
Heh, that's Nobel-winning material right there.
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
u.s. security man ? from what agency of the u.s.?
The "agency" is Dyncorp (http://www.dyncorp.com/), I believe. I think that they're technically a defense contractor with heavy involvement in the drug war in South America (read: mercenary).
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
u.s. security man ? from what agency of the u.s.?
we have troops in isreal ? news to me.
Yep My guess is the pres forgot to call you to tell you that he was sending people over there:rolleyes:
Maybe next time he will seek your advice:aok
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Originally posted by Raubvogel
Heh, that's Nobel-winning material right there.
Do you really think i give a rats arse about them people?
Hell they want us all dead!
They make no secret about hating Americans and they chant in the streets after 9-11 calling death to all ammerikans!!!
Screw em all.
lets take care of America first and then all of our friends out there not these idiots.
;)
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
The "agency" is Dyncorp (http://www.dyncorp.com/), I believe. I think that they're technically a defense contractor with heavy involvement in the drug war in South America (read: mercenary).
theres more companys than dyncorp and calling them mercenaries is a insult. mercenaries fight anyone for money. dyncorp employee fill contracts for american government. and i guess is they were dss. they were escorting american diplomats. and america has military in israel all the time training with idf etc.
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Originally posted by anonymous
theres more companys than dyncorp and calling them mercenaries is a insult. mercenaries fight anyone for money. dyncorp employee fill contracts for american government. and i guess is they were dss. they were escorting american diplomats. and america has military in israel all the time training with idf etc.
http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20030825-021923-2441r.htm
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20030825-021923-2441r.htm
whats yer point? they arent mercenaries. dyncorp and the others couldnt and wouldnt accept a contract to fight america or allies of america.
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L-O-V-E is the answer
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Several employees of DynCorp working in the Balkans are alleged to have been involved in running a child prostitution ring. The company fired the whistleblower that brought attention to the problem and took the men back to the United States and out of the hands of local law enforcement authorities. They were never prosecuted.
Sounds like a real group of patriots
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Originally posted by anonymous
whats yer point? they arent mercenaries. dyncorp and the others couldnt and wouldnt accept a contract to fight america or allies of america.
Of course they are. The fact that they won't take a contract against the U.S. or its allies is beside the point.
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Child Prostitution from Eastern Europe? Have you guys ever travelled outside of the First World? Let's see, extreme poverty, the fall of communism leading to organized crime rule, and lots of poor white people? read: black market in Kidneys and emaciated prostitutes.
Oh yeah, "US Contractor Security?". Yeah, read a private corporation composed of ex-US special ops guys, paid a whole helluva lot more to have a helluva lot less scruples.
So, the question is: were they paid by someone in the region, or were they taking a job formerly held by the marines? Either way, private citizens travelling armed in a war zone need to accept the risks. Someone killing them ain't attacking the US.
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The "Palestinians" and the PLO are the main problem IMO, just as they were in Jordon when they tried to overthrow the government and take the country by force. Arafat and the PLO have been causing problems wherever they have been in the middle east.
Kind of forgotton by most that the Palestinians as a "People" never occupied the land they now claim as their "homeland" If anything, Jordon should be laying claim to the land that the Palestinians are trying to claim.
Funny how the Palestinians are not asking any Arab countries to give them land for a homeland ( And no Arab nation is offering ).......in fact they tried to forcefully take Jordon and were expelled from the kingdom. Where was the outrage against Jordon then as they "mercilessly" expelled them from Jordon?
The whole issue is, it seems to me, a sick joke played on the worlds idiots, whom are to stupid to research the origins of the whole PLO issue IMO.
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Originally posted by Dinger
Either way, private citizens travelling armed in a war zone need to accept the risks. Someone killing them ain't attacking the US.
If there Killing Americans there attacking the USA!!
We stick together buddy thats why we are the greatest country on earth:aok
Let the flames fly:D
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Child Prostitution from Eastern Europe? Have you guys ever travelled outside of the First World? Let's see, extreme poverty, the fall of communism leading to organized crime rule, and lots of poor white people? read: black market in Kidneys and emaciated prostitutes.
Are you replying to me? No **** third world nations are poor and are and are exploited by criminals. Same with some of the ex eastern bloc. No one said other wise.
My reply was to this guy
whats yer point? they arent mercenaries. dyncorp and the others couldnt and wouldnt accept a contract to fight america or allies of america.
Who thinks that these types of corps are some sort of private sector patriots when its clear its all about the money ie mercenaries as Sandman suggests and is proven by reading their website. The snip I quoted from the washington post article was to show that DynCorp is just a typical corporation just like any other out serving its own interest to make a buc.
People die everyday over there. I agree with you that making this incident out as an attack on America is a bit over board. While death is always tragic these deaths were a result of the risks taken voluntarily for a pay check. There are many more hazardous jobs here in America with higher death rates that go unnoticed for the most part.
No need to beat the war drums.
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It smells MOSSAD. Just think about it.
I must add that I support the state of Israel by heart, so there will be no use in attacking me concerning this. Save your breath.
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Mr. Black. Every day, Americans are attacked and imprisoned all over the world for doing stupid stuff.
I won't stick up for them.
Now, and American who works privately as a "Security Agent" is basically selling his taxpayer-funded military expertise to the highest bidder. People would pay a lot for that in certain situations. I refuse to believe that, over and above what we've already paid, we should foot the cost of massive retaliation on those grounds.
If they're US soldiers, or US diplomats, or random people who are targeted because they're US citizens, that's one thing. If they're random US citizens caught in a crossfire, that's another thing. If they're attacked because they're security personnel (who happen to be US citizens), that's an entirely different kettle of fish. Sorry. Mercenaries get paid for a reason.
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I don't believe for a second that any Palistinian would be this stupid, if there ever was one thing that sets back their struggle...
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Dinger I typed a nasty reply, but thought better of it.
I'll let you read up on who these people were and what they were doing and I will await your retraction.
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Most likely it was Israelis desperate move to gain US to their side in order to launch a 'final solution' to the Palestinian problem.
That's what things are adding up down there.
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the convoy were mediator John Wulf's men, and few US embassy guys guarded by Dyncorp.
Bozon
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
"Most likely"
How did you arrive at that assesment?
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nuke, the problem is that the palestinians have a homeland and its called palestine and as far as their concerned there is a lot of jews squating on there land right now. where you stoned during that history class? if you dont believe me then find a 50 year old map and look for yourself. just because you classify palesinians as just plain ole ragheads and they could move anywhere in "ragheadland" makes no sense. you should sue your school for not doing there job and gradjeating you to be just another handsomehunk in this world.
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Originally posted by bigsky
you should sue your school for not doing there job and gradjeating you to be just another handsomehunk in this world.
I think you should do the same. Or atleast your English teacher.
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umm... where is the smilie with the hand swooshish over its head? it was done on purpose like the bush word stategery.:D
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Originally posted by Yeager
L-O-V-E is the answer
Yeah love in increments of 2000lbs
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Originally posted by bozon
the convoy were mediator John Wulf's men, and few US embassy guys guarded by Dyncorp.
Bozon
and the former was probably the target not the car of security men - the last car in the convoy
pictures ragheads mashing the button repeated screaming "go boom, go boom!"
at least the pal police are making an attempt to arrest somebodies and make a show of it ...
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
Most likely it was Israelis desperate move to gain US to their side in order to launch a 'final solution' to the Palestinian problem.
That's what things are adding up down there.
yeah I guess you're right. And all the pal's dancing in the streets on 9/11 and those throwing the rocks at the bombing investigators were all isreali agents trying to fool the evil amereeeekans.
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Amazing how those who blame the Israelis fail to recognize that the costs to them of attacking the United States and being found out significantly outweigh any advantages. The United States is already on their side doing things such as blocking United Nations resolutions denouncing the building of the security fence. Why in the world would they risk alienating their biggest ally and staunchest supporter?
Think before you post, people.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Amazing how those who blame the Israelis fail to recognize that the costs to them of attacking the United States and being found out significantly outweigh any advantages. The United States is already on their side doing things such as blocking United Nations resolutions denouncing the building of the security fence. Why in the world would they risk alienating their biggest ally and staunchest supporter?
Think before you post, people.
-- Todd/Leviathn
Because the UFO Masons and The secret Jewish org that runs the world tells them to. Siaf can intercept their transmissions on his tinfoil hat and he knows all.
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One point Three Billion Muslims.
Remember folks, L-O-V-E...its all about love.
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USS Liberty comes to mind
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Originally posted by bigsky
nuke, the problem is that the palestinians have a homeland and its called palestine and as far as their concerned there is a lot of jews squating on there land right now. where you stoned during that history class? if you dont believe me then find a 50 year old map and look for yourself. just because you classify palesinians as just plain ole ragheads and they could move anywhere in "ragheadland" makes no sense. you should sue your school for not doing there job and gradjeating you to be just another handsomehunk in this world.
You really don't know what you are talking about. No people had ever had a national homeland in "Palestine" since the Jews 2000 years ago.
You need to research how the " 50 year old map" and the name "Palestine" on that map came about after the break up of the Ottoman empire following WWI. Then read up on the people that lived in the British controlled and area THEY ( British) named "Palestine". Read on about Trans- Jordon and on how the areas on that 50 year old map were divided. 25% of the British "Palestine" on the map was to be a Jewish Palestinian homeland . Do you even comprehend what Jewsish Palestinian means? It means that there is no RACE known as Palestinian.
There is no such thing as a "Palestinian" people as a race, other than maybe the Jews that lived there 2000 years ago. Think I don't know what Im talking about or that I sound crazy for saying that? Well all I can say is crack open a few books.
The whole issue of the "Palestinians" just trying to get their "homeland" back is a big farce. The PLO are just a bunch of murderous thugs who nearly succeeded in over throwing Jordon, and were explelled from that state.
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There is nothing like a jew race, using the same reasoning you should evacuate USA no ?
Godwin's Law will aply soon I guess.
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Why is this bombing any worse than any other? It is not the first time the Palis have killed Americans in Israel, and it won't be the last.
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I would have to agree that the Palistenians are not acting in their best interest by continuing their bombing campaign.
It seemed like progress was being made at some kind of peace.
At the same time I wonder why these people are so desparate and why they are taking on extreme and desparate means to fight the Israelis.
What does it take to drive people commit acts of atrosity and suicide.
Have they lived with oppression, poverty, and death for so long that to each and every sole, it is a fight for mere existence?
Are they evil?
Do they do this just just kill people - like Americans do when they take AK-47s into school yards?
Why are Palistenians exhiled from the lands they lived on for over 2000 years?
Replaced by European Jews, because the UN in 1948 established a Jewish homeland. Did they have any vote in this?
I wonder if the American Indians can relate to their plight?
Palistenians have been given the worse land, the worse aquifers, the worse of everything in that region.
Their homes are bulldozed with out due process.
Their people are put into Israeli jails with out formal charges, with out due process, their jobs and lives are destroyed by the Israelis.
What lands the Palistenians do have, the Israelis have illegally take with their west bank settlements. What's with that?
Land, money, greed.
Why hasn't the UN stepped in between the two, like it has in many other places in the world. [Because the US and Israel don't want them too... then Israel would have to stop their opression and stop their illegal activities of stealing land from an impoversed people]
Don't get me wrong both sides are quilty of atrocious crimes. There's no justification for either one them. There will only be peace with both sides deside to stop the violence. Israel has done this several times - and so have the Palitenians... and they have both, broken the peace.
However, I think Israel is more in the wrong than the Palitenians, because they have the might, and they have the ability, to stop their own provocations (the west settlements!), but they don't because they know this provokes the Palitenians to set off bombs... and thus makes the Palitenians look like terrorists.
What I find interesting is that Sharon was brought up on war crimes in the Hague last year for his role in authorizing the masacre of 800 women and children whild Israel invaded Lebanon back in 1983. The charges were quietly dismissed.
The UN really should go in their and build a brick wall between the two, kick the Israels out of the west bank, and hunt down the Hamas and all the other radical terrorist groups, and hold Israel accountable for bull dozing houses and jailing people with out due process.
That's my road map to peace.
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Nuke you do understand that Palestine has been continously inhabited by arabs and other semites of all sorts for thosands of years and that it has been governed by those people and others by their own and Islamic overnments for hundreds of years. They did not just show up in 1948 to disrupt the creation of Israel.
This idea somehow that those people are foreigners in their own birthland is one of the most bizzare and ignorant fantasies that the more rabid Israel supporters have.
Just get over it, they have to get a state it is the only way to resolve this in the long run. Wheter they are ready to have that state now is disputable but the fact that they do need one is not.
Its like saying that the USA was never a homeland to anyone except the native indians... Its beyond ridiculos..
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Its like saying that the USA was never a homeland to anyone except the native indians... Its beyond ridiculos..
I'm not ridicolus ;) I'm insane ... nothing new please proceed to next post ...
computer is you friend and nevar maque errorr
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Originally posted by Martlet
Release the Hounds!
Release the Isreali's
this whole mess would be over in a weekend.
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You really don't know what you are talking about. No people had ever had a national homeland in "Palestine" since the Jews 2000 years ago.
And certainly not the Jews, either. That doesn't changed the fact that for those 2,000 years, 90 percent of the population living in Palestine were not Jews. That did not begin to change until the rise of modern Zionism, which was driven by Jews living in Europe looking to establish a homeland. The movement was founded by Theodor Herzl and is said to begun with the publication of Der Judenstaat (The Jewish State) in 1896.
Initially, while the Biblical homeland would be the most desirable (for religious/historic reasons) location for the foreign Jews to resettle, a fact finding mission to the region noted at the time: "The bride is beautiful, but she is married to another man..." Argentina was considered as an alternative, but sentimentality won out in the end so the European Jewish community began looking for a way to break up the marriage. Which led to...
You need to research how the " 50 year old map" and the name "Palestine" on that map came about after the break up of the Ottoman Empire following WWI. Then read up on the people that lived in the British controlled and area THEY ( British) named "Palestine". Read on about Trans- Jordon and on how the areas on that 50 year old map were divided. 25% of the British "Palestine" on the map was to be a Jewish Palestinian homeland . Do you even comprehend what Jewsish Palestinian means? It means that there is no RACE known as Palestinian.
Nuke, how do you reconcile the fact that when Chaim Weizman lobbied the British for the promise of a Jewish state (in Europe, btw, as part of his process of his "synthetic Zionism" philosophy laid out at the Eighth Zionist Congress), he clearly stated that nothing would be done to prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine (which were 600,000 Arabs compared to 56,000 Jews). Clearly a case of telling the British what they wanted to hear, given his writings. And being involved in WW1 at the time against the Turks, Britain was working to maintain stability in the region by offering all sides something -- probably with no real intention of seeing any of it through once the crisis abated. However, for the European Zionists the Balfour Declaration of 1917 unlocked the real possibility of a Jewish state from the European power that controlled the region.
Of course, what political, ethical and social authority did a European Zionists and a European power like Great Britain have to negotiate an arrangement (to both the British and Zionists) that ignored the participation of 90 percent of the population actually living on the ground in the region, as they had for 2,000 years?
There is no such thing as a "Palestinian" people as a race, other than maybe the Jews that lived there 2000 years ago. Think I don't know what Im talking about or that I sound crazy for saying that? Well all I can say is crack open a few books.
Maybe you should follow your own advice.
Charon
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DmdNexus:
Why are Palistenians exhiled from the lands they lived on for over 2000 years?
Replaced by European Jews, because the UN in 1948 established a Jewish homeland. Did they have any vote in this?
They were not exiled, they are still there. Those who found themselves in the newly found Israel became citizens. The palestinians in the occupied territories were on Jordanian/Egyptian soil till 1967.
Their homes are bulldozed with out due process.
Their people are put into Israeli jails with out formal charges, with out due process, their jobs and lives are destroyed by the Israelis.
it's WAR and they are the weaker side.
Why hasn't the UN stepped in between the two, like it has in many other places in the world. [Because the US and Israel don't want them too... then Israel would have to stop their opression and stop their illegal activities of stealing land from an impoversed people]
The UN doesn't get itself into wars. NATO does.
making a distinction between 1948 lines and 1967 lines is funny. what is the difference between land captured in one war to a land captured in another? 1948 lines were not international borders.
What I find interesting is that Sharon was brought up on war crimes in the Hague last year for his role in authorizing the masacre of 800 women and children whild Israel invaded Lebanon back in 1983. The charges were quietly dismissed.
I'd like Sharon on trial for a lot of things. This isn't one of them. Though he is guilty of not forseeing and preventing that masacre, it was preformed by Lebanonies cristian militia as revenge for the crap the palestinians brought upon them. Not one Israeli rifle was fired there.
In the end, a palestinian state will be founded. Not because they are right and the Israelies wrong or vice versa, but because this is the only smart solution. being right and being smart are unrelated things and the middle east need more of the other kind.
oh yes,
don't expect anything from the UN - they are completly worthless when it comes to real action. They proved it beyond any doubt in their actions in Lebanon when Israel withdrew from there.
Bozon
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25% of the British "Palestine" on the map was to be a Jewish Palestinian homeland .
Britain committed itself to creating a Jewish homeland in Palestine, not converting Palestine into the Jewish homeland. There is a big difference.
Regardless of the history, how does it justify keeping 3 million people under military occupation, and with no citizenship, in the only land they have?
Jordan is a different issue. 3 million Palestinians live in the West Bank and Gaza. Israel needs to either stop occupying them, or annex the territory and make them citizens. It won't do either.
Fantasies of ethnic cleansing 3 million Palestinians into Jordan won't help solve the problem.
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Originally posted by Dinger
Mr. Black. Every day, Americans are attacked and imprisoned all over the world for doing stupid stuff.
I won't stick up for them.
Now, and American who works privately as a "Security Agent" is basically selling his taxpayer-funded military expertise to the highest bidder. People would pay a lot for that in certain situations. I refuse to believe that, over and above what we've already paid, we should foot the cost of massive retaliation on those grounds.
If they're US soldiers, or US diplomats, or random people who are targeted because they're US citizens, that's one thing. If they're random US citizens caught in a crossfire, that's another thing. If they're attacked because they're security personnel (who happen to be US citizens), that's an entirely different kettle of fish. Sorry. Mercenaries get paid for a reason.
You are one retarded fool!!
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Dinger, your an Idiot! There was a US diplomat in that convoy, he was the target. This was an attack on the USA and there should be an appropiate response.
BTW did you guys see the PIC's? That was one large bomb! How do you place a bomb that must have weighed around 200lbs next to a main road and not get noticed.
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The thing that pisses me off the most is that they were there to freakin help. There were there for that program that brings kids to America to go to school, I can't remember what it's called. And then the pal's try and kill them.
There has never been a group of people who deserved a homeland less than the palestinians.
They danced in the streets on 9/11, they supported saddam (i lost my 2 palestinian friends in houston over this), this new attack on US personel....
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Udie, we needed to have a replacement for Iraq on the Axis of Evil, I think we just found it. Kill 'em All!!
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Isnt it funny how the pals never are able to get their hands on the Hamas terrorists, or the Hezbollah terrorists, or the Al Acqusa martyrs brigades terrorists... But suddenly when the target is not Israeli women and children, the guilty ones are found within 24 hours.
Disgusting ****ers
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Heh. I wrote that carefully so I wouldn't have to retract it.
I stated that if they were people targeted because they're US citizens, then, yeah, that's an entirely different kettle of fish.
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Only one guaranteed winner in this conflict.... the weapons industry
And the looser is??? Everyone else.
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Why would being classified as 'mercenary' be an insult?
It is the oldest profession after all (well, that and prostitution, same same really, just a differant service for sale)
I would think that most 'mercenaries' would take a certain pride in the title, and I garuntee that ALL of them know that by selling their knowledge/abilities/services to anyone other than their own country's government, they forfiet their 'serviceman' status where their govt is accountable for their actions, and usually will do all in it's power to ensure correct treatment.
Thats why they are worth big money to hire, they are taking big risks. Their parent company would be about the highest authority they could count on I would think.( and in a lot of cases, you wouldnt want to count too high)
When such a company is registered as a US company, and contracted by the US govt though, I can see that there is a bit of a grey area.
You would have to wonder why they were there and not 'regular' soldiers though, surely they cost a lot more.
Surely the US Govt understands the risk involved and the likelyhood of these operators being injured/killed? Maybe that is precisely why they use 'mercenaries' not regular army?
If it had been regular troops/ federal agents, there would be no option but to retaliate, with 'mercs', there are other options available? Like doing nothing.
I may be way off track, but thats my take on it.
I have to agree with Medicboy too......just how the hell DO you plant an explosive device of that sort of power without anyone noticing? That vehicle looks like a Ford Bronco (???), according to the article it was armoured too....and it is blown in half nearly, that wasnt half a pound of C4 that did that.
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You can plant it in broad daylight, if you have a community that supports the murder of Israelis. That's the second post registering confusion at how the explosive was placed. This isn't rural America, where individuals digging up a road would be reported in a heartbeat.
Anyway, it's not as though the Palestinian police would've stopped them. Hell, it's more likely one of them was an off-duty cop.
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Time once again for the "Jordainian solution" to the Palistinian problem?
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Nuke you do understand that Palestine has been continously inhabited by arabs and other semites of all sorts for thosands of years and that it has been governed by those people and others by their own and Islamic overnments for hundreds of years. They did not just show up in 1948 to disrupt the creation of Israel.
This idea somehow that those people are foreigners in their own birthland is one of the most bizzare and ignorant fantasies that the more rabid Israel supporters have.
Just get over it, they have to get a state it is the only way to resolve this in the long run. Wheter they are ready to have that state now is disputable but the fact that they do need one is not.
Its like saying that the USA was never a homeland to anyone except the native indians... Its beyond ridiculos..
This is more or less what I was going to say (Hey I agreed with Grun, do I get a prize?).
Having said that until the Palestinians make a real effort to prevent militantt groups commiting attrocities then there can be no progress towards peace and a Palestinian State.