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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Vulcan on October 15, 2003, 07:52:27 PM
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http://discussions.playnet.com/viewtopic.php?t=6077
No flames please, just trying to show someone what impact their posts had.
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I stopped playing during beta, because it sucked and because CRS were so obviously dysfunctional that I doubted any progress would be made in a timely fashion. Once I realized they were going to release it without really fixing it, I swore it off, because I didn't think that was ethical. I thought about reinstalling it (Kieran gave me his copy), but from what I've seen of the community, I'll take a pass. And yeah, the more somebody tries to push something on me, and the more annoying they are, the more resistant I become to trying it.
Also I strongly doubt it can offer a more entertaining combined arms environment than OFP mods.
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Dont't know what your missing.
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for me it was #3 poor netcoding
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Much of it was CRS and realising the hype was shovels full of shiess.... when the release came and thier pep was proven to be the poop as was foretold by anaonymous beta testers.
A lot was due to CRS (DocDoom and Hatch especially) continually shutting down and ostricising (sp?) players who dared to bring issues and problems to the public light over the course of the last two years. Constantly stating thier modelling was impeccable and beynd reporach Look at what Kieran went through.
But even worse were the company sponsored fanbois like Headcase, Merlin, Fishu and many others. Having to endure them running from behind thier "closed" boards to bash anyone who's opinion and experience with WWIIO differed from thiers. To hear them blather about how they were right and your experience was bogus, a lie or compete falsification because of the realse (God. Get over it and pick up a new tag line fanboi's. It has ALWAYS been more (and IS) than just the release!)
And I can't forget the implicit endorsement (because CRS did NOTHING to stop it) from CRS that the fanbois could do, and did, what they wanted with other players who strayed from the "party line."
"Dont't know what your missing."
My opinion is that the air war in WWIIO is what the GV's are in AH - a side show but not the main event. Right now it can be a fun as a shoot em up on the ground but not for much longer long.
I have an account because I'm bored to tears with main arena play and four years of AH scenarios being on weekends has left me looking elsewhere for an historical fix. So I figured I'd give it whirl beyond the basic free trial and really wring it out.
But I'm finding it tough to continue with the still unfixed con bias and host net code issues. It blows and it's a game breaker for me. they could up the con limit to 128 and the problem would still be there. It's the net code or the host is severely ovetaxed to keep up. It's not the limit IMO.
It's a game I love to hate. It has pluses ... until the cons wink in and out and then the whole bevy of stupid features or details that are fugged up get on my nerves and I wonder why I bother.
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You sound like small children, little girls, in fact, but ain't no skin off my nose. Personally, I don't read the boards or know or talk with the rats-I just play the game.
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If we're like small children and your drawn to us when we talk about WWIIO does that mean you have a pedophilic streak?
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Originally posted by Gadfly
Personally, I don't read the boards or know or talk with the rats-I just play the game.
That was "D" for me. I really wanted to like this game, but with the release issues, I wanted to give it time to develope (at someone elses expense) So I waited until enough people I knew said the game was "fixed" and I grabbed a trial account. They were absolutely right, the game worked very well, even on my XP1800 with 256 RAM and a 32 Meg Gforce 2.
But man, I didn't have a good time. Even with friends who were experienced in the game leading me around, we never had much luck finding a good fight. I got a lot of "It's not usually this boring" and maybe it wasn't, but it sure was when I was there.
Flying was pretty fun, but flying the same Hurricane over and over didn't really do it for me.
Oh well, I still have friends who swear by it so there must be something to it, but I wasn't able to find it in my two weeks. I'll probably try again someday.
-Sik
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I bought the game, but never installed it after reading the horrible reviews and the system req's. Then, BF1942 found it's way to my hard drive and filled any need of a first person WWII ground battle. May not be realistic, but it's fun as hell. Plus, I've got AH for flying, & no time or inclination for more than one MMPOG flight sim at the moment.
Tardcase and Zeroass certainly didn't help the cause any, but I doubt they would have stopped me from going over and trying it if I really wanted to. I would have just avoided them in the game.
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It was so hyped long before the release that I was already sick of hearing about it. When they released it with no free demo I was totally pissed. Then when I heard what a dog it was I was convinced it was a boondoggle.
That said, I downloaded a free demo later and it was better than I expected. Not my cup of tea but many people like it, so there you are.
ra
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I bought the game based on all those beta aars that proved to be lies. I kept a paid account for 8 months from the day it went pay to play but never played more the 3 or 4 hours a month.
I was in a squad of 28, none play wwiiol now. I resubbed several times (i never bothered with the welcome back sucker promotions) because a couple of ah squaddies were interested in it.
When you pointed to the bugs and the reasons why it still sucks the fanbois themselves went all "crs" on us and lied about the bugs and problems just like crs did at the start. They want to blame us for not "getting over the release" but yet they pull the very same crap. Folks can deal with a poor release, other games have survived a poor release (granted none as terrible as wwiiol) but we can read their boards and see how much it remains the same.
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I bought it when it first came out and was disappointed by the launch; mainly performance but also the early war setup was a turnoff. I'm willing to try WW2OL again someday, but only when the planeset has matured more. Specifically, when the 1943-45 Mighty 8th vs LW planeset is in effect. P-40s and Hawk 75s won't cut it.
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I tried the game 4 times, first time for about 8 months, then three other times for a month each. It's not for me, it simply isn't fun for me. Not enough time in my day for the boring transit.
Hardcase would be the #1 reason I would never try the game again. Docdoom is #2. Damn, here they (CRS, Rafter specifically) are again sending players out to spam boards. I think Vulcan is very tame in his response to Zeroace FWIW, who seems to have that sort of "CRS Amnesia" thing going.
Gadfly, seriously, why respond if we're just being children? If you don't read boards, how the hell did you find this post so quickly? I don't care personally who spams the BBS or not, not my board, but damn, you know what really happened here, and those guys went waaaay over the line. I did too, but I am the only part of that fight that will admit it.
Chalk me up as turned off by the mega-******* spambots.
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I respond not because I want or care if you play; it is just so strange that you have so many excuses NOT to play other than: That game Sucks.
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Oh, to me the game DOES suck. I know you can't hear or understand that, though.
BTW, you're not about to go "hardcase" on me now, are ya? ;)
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I tried it twice, once for a few months when it first came out and then again about a year later. What put me off the most was the severe performance issues in the flight aspect of the game. Thought the ground war was pretty good if a bit buggy. Will I try it again? Not likely, at least anytime soon.
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And, in response to Kieren, why must you ladies always respond to these posts, and not only respond, but give your silly reasons why you don't play it? The rats scuck! Docs a Dick! They over hyped it!, Blah, blah.
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Nope, I would encourage all of you to NOT play, please.
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Uh, because it is an opinion?
Why do you feel compelled to respond in return? Do you really think you're "above it all" somehow? hehe, rich.
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Yup, you're definitely gonna go "hardcase".
Stand back boys, she's about to blow!
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Nope, I consider it a game-Sometime I play WWIIOL, sometimes I play IL-2, but mostly, I just play YOU.
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I guess we're allowed to play or not, whichever we choose. Same for posting our opinions? At least on this board anyhow.
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hehe... not the old "I-bet-you-thought-I-was-serious-but-I-was-just-trolling-YOU" routine!
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Nope, I am serious, but it WAS the royal you, not you personally.
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I have to say Zeroarse did it for me even though I had dl'd the game and played it for a bit. I wasn't that impressed. Like SOB said, BF1942 is just too much mindless fun for a ground war jones.
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So, like hardcase, you aren't really here to recruit players, you're just being a jerk.
How... above it all. How... mature.
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Nope, not to recruit players, for sure. I would consider what I do exposing fools to themselves, but since they are fools, they will not see it.
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Riiight... then you'll run back to the girls' club and talk about how AH sucks and the community "over there" is so immature. Admit it, you do it all the time. It's just no one here gives a crap what you say elsewhere.
Can you hear me now? ;)
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You know, you guys are too hard on Hardcase. He was enthusiastic about his game and wanted to share that enthusasim. I think he was a fool for doing so, but he is still a good guy in any other context.
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I don't think I do that, Kieren. Can you give me an instance? Hell, I post on this board because I like the people and the posts, no hidden agenda, same as I post on AGW.
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My opinion of hardcase is what it is, and he earned it all the way. Doesn't matter at all, I will never meet him personally, nor will we ever be neighbors.
You asked a question higher up... "why do you guys always respond to these threads"... talk about a silly question... maybe because some have a very strong opinion on the topic? You suggest people are ignorant to post their opinion, especially when asked? I honestly don't understand you CRS bots...
Vulcan is trying to prove to someone from the WWIIOL forum what negative impact zealots make here WRT WWIIOL. You've taken the banner up nicely.
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Would you two go get a hotel room already? :D
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How? I am not telling you the game is good or suggesting you play it. I think that it is silly of anyone to NOT play a game because of things that have no impact on the game. Doesn't make a crap if it is WBIII and Wildbill or IL2 and Olegs-bias, or the fact that Docdoom shot so many of you down in his 190.
If you don't like a game, don't play it. If you don't like a person, deal with it. The two are not connected, is what I am saying.
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You have more than a few times posted on AGW about how immature this community is, or how you dislike certain aspects of AH the game and can't stand it. The most I ever said in return is the communities are the same, same personalities. It's your opinion, and valid at that, and heck, if you can't post that on an opposing sim's board, where can you say it? That's the prob... you CRS bots won't allow the same courtesy.
If I say I played the game and saw "XYZ", I don't need some zealot to pop in here and tell me I didn't. I'm a stand-up guy and will admit when I am wrong, you understand, but I will also give a game a fair shake before posting. I'm not the only guy here to have that experience, BTW.
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I may have, and it is true, but I don't say that is the reason I don't play AH, is it?
No,I don't play AH because it sucks, FOR ME. I am glad you guys enjoy it.
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What is a CRS bot? Wouldn't that imply that I would at least defend CRS or the game?
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Wow.. loaded question.. What put me off ww2ol?
Well, to start with, it was 6 months of hype and gorgeous screen shots. Remember the B17s? The holes in the fuselage.. texture of seat covers.. promises of walking through the plane to the different positions.. Other screen shots too.. I recall.. but I only really remember the B17s. I remember spending literally hours one night looking over those things and visualizing what was coming.
Sure, the premise was out there.. a multi-year 'arena' covering the war from start to finish.. canvassing the different theatres, Europe, Africa, Pacific, China.. Ambitious. And we bought it.. hook, line, sinker..... I/B.. Deck, Conning tower.. bow.. even the freakin' anchor.
June, 2001. Release date.. Paid $49 brought it home.. Hmm... 93 MB download patch before seeing the first online session.. Thank God I have cable modem.. Finally got it working.. entered.. WOW.. impressive. Spent first couple weeks in awe.. The sounds.. the feeling of your heart in your throat.. wandering around. Pretty imersive. For the first few weeks. Capture the flag. eh.. ok.. I wanna kill stuff.. Grab armor.. Better yet.. Grab 88!! Char? No problem.. Ping.. poof. A35s.. bring marshmallows.. they torch nicely.. Let's fly something.. Hmmm.. find an airfield.. ok.. now find where the action is in relation to one of the few airfields.. ok.. now.. where was that airfield again? Take off.. time for a beer.. where's the autopilot? eh? Hmm.. ok.. trim time.. eh.. um.. still goes in circles... albeit big wide ones now.. Hey look!! Enemy!! Hey.. wait.. Framerate!!??!! 0.3? 3 seconds/frame???? Hey! Ground! Dead!!
Meanwhile, they've fixed bugs, added vehicles, added the rank system. But I still have to hang on to the stick to fly anywhere and when I see an enemy my frame rate drops to less than 1. Obviously my Athlon 600 just doesn't have the guts. We'll put the game aside until I upgrade.
AirWarrior is executed by the twits at EA and the squadron I'm in hemmorages. Aces High has been lurking in the background and, for me, it's the only logical choice. I like B17s. I like bombing stuff. Others in the squad go the WW2OL route. We split.
I kept my ww2ol account.. just in case.. and, yes, I finally upgrade to an Athlon XP 1700.. time to try ww2ol again.. hmm.. a few things have changed.. but it's been a year now.. and the map is .. well.. pretty much the same.. um.. didn't the battle of France only last a few weeks? Well, let's try flying again... Hmm.. Hawk75 or a blenheim.. what, no B25s even? c'mon.. gimme a real bomber.. eh.. whatever.. off we go.. now.. where was the action again? hey look.. framerates are decent.. I can fly at the ground and actually pull up!! Woohoo!! Let's bomb something.. wow.. what a quaint bombsight.. so that's how you incorporate an abacus into the computing mechanism?? Lining up on target.. hey wait...plane is moving.. go to pilot.. retrim.. back to bombadier.. dang.. lost line up.. back to pilot.. aim.. retrim.. back to bombadier.. you're kidding me..right?
New upgrade.. wow.. now you have to have rank to fly the new planes.. ok.. get rank.. make it to whatever rank it was.. now I can build missions.. and fly straight to the enemy.. woohoo!!.. but.. but.. I still never make it to an airfield before all the new planes are gone. Quota used up. Um, no thanks.
I sat down and did some relative math. Given the rate of progress in the war, I can expect to see my beloved B17 in 2013... if at all. I'm not waiting..
I was deceived, betrayed and flat out lied to. Friendships and camraderie were destroyed by WW2OL and the CRS yahoos. Perhaps for the person new to multi-player online games WW2OL may be, gasp, even fun. It has potential, and there were some good times.. but, given all the bad blood and bonehead decisions, I doubt I will ever truly forgive them. Even now, I get an offer to return for 2 weeks of free time.. but only during a specific timeframe.. which corresponds to a horribly busy time at work and with family activities. Even that restriction tells me that those in power still don't have their heads screwed on straight.
I can go on for a couple more pages.. we haven't even touched on the offline mode..
I still wonder where those B17 screenshots are. Probably framed in a closed Enron office somewhere.
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I'm glad you're enjoying WWIIOL. Fair enough.
But the question above was for people here who are not currently playing WWIIOL, of which I am one. The question was whether it was the game or the zealots that put me off. For me, a better choice would have been "both", but I was forced to choose.
Now if CRS wants to act like they don't sic players on opposing games to "recruit", that's fine, but... Rafter is obviously preparing to do just that- again. In addition, I find it hard to believe hardcase was not influenced to continue here long after it was apparent he wasn't drawing players in. CRS can pretend they didn't know, but they did, and you would have thought a stand-up crew would have asked hardcase to tone it down. It never happened. Maybe they enjoyed seeing the havoc caused on Dale's service. Maybe they wanted to harm Dale's business. Regardless, hardcase's behavior was malicious, and obvious.
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Someone break em up.
FWIW guys, its become quite obvious Zeroace (and hardcase) do not represent the average WW2OL player in any way. The 'pillars' of the WW2OL community seem to busy to both with this sort of stuff. There are a lot of great guys over there just like there are here. Unfortunately the bitter taste left by the rantings of the minority has jaded the AH view of the WW2OL crowd. And thats what I'm trying to show these guys.
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Originally posted by Kieran
Vulcan is trying to prove to someone from the WWIIOL forum what negative impact zealots make here WRT WWIIOL. You've taken the banner up nicely.
KARRRANNNNNNNNNG
(Sergio Leone ricochet sound)
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Fanatics put me off of anything. WWIIOL has them and WB3 has them and I consequently have no interest in either.
I used to track the progress in each game, but getting constant (incorrect) snide comments gets old.
It probably isn't very nice for the FA guys either as everybody bashes them.
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I was very critical to this game when it first came out, but I tried it in Beta and it really sucked, big time.
But, how ever I like the idea and I remember when HT was talking about the same Idea being inplated in WB III. It was an awesome concept.
So I tried it again after like 20 patches and updates. But as any online game, there was to many "gaming the game" so I got tired of it. Reasantly, I been trying it again, its not bad, but the 64 limit is way to annoying and I finelly realized that I would need a major upgrade of my computer to enjoy all the features implanted.
I think the bigest misstake they´ve done, is to make it a PC/MAC online Game. (remembering the "old" WB time, when the MAC issue always put new updates off schedule "2 weeks" was the general word then as now).:lol
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Neither, I had a good hope until v1.9, until when rats decided to completely mess up the game with the modelling & flight modelling mess ups.
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Beta tester, spent a lot of my spare time to help out, wanted to see the game and CRS succeed.
Purchased the game for around 40 bucks, downloading the first patch took forever on dial-up. FM just sucked. Tried tanking and that was fun, then game the bug explotations. Alt-tab was the first, made you invisible.
Played when I could for 6 months, continued testing patches when I could. I believe now I stayed longer than I should have. CRS seemed to fall apart, then the fragile community followed.
I returned to AH. When CRS said it you hoped it was true, but when HTC says something you can bet your *** someones working their tail off to make it happen. Small companies always seem to be willing to go that 'extra' mile.
I was disappointed with the product, that's what put me off.
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No one likes to be lied to..
The whole thing started out as a lie... one big lie after another. they hired the bigest liar and blowhard I have ever seen on any flight sim... heck... he even calls himself doctor.
They continue to lie and continue to keep the blowhards and liars on the staff.
A pretty girl who is a liar gets to be a pain in the bellybutton eventually and you dump her no matter how pretty... WWIIol isn't even a pretty girl.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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All of the above!
I tried it 4 different times and it still did nothing for me.
Never worked right
To many Fanboys(HC, Gadfly etc etc)
Throw on the lies from CRS and you have a game that will NEVER be in my home again.
Took great pleasure in burning the box.
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"How? I am not telling you the game is good or suggesting you play it"
Thats's about the only thing you've gotten right so far. But we're girls and ladies for posting our opinions? lol You're a character Lizking. A warped one but still a character.
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And, in response to Kieren, why must you ladies always respond to these posts, and not only respond, but give your silly reasons why you don't play it? The rats scuck! Docs a Dick! They over hyped it!, Blah, blah.
Umm maybe because someone asked the question. :rolleyes:
Didn't you read the topic?
Man talk about your major Fanboys!
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What put me off ww2ol the most was the total lack of interest the game providers showed me as a customer to assist me to get the game working on my PC. Their customer tech help is like a dinosaur moving at the speed of molassis in the dead of winter.
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No, Westy, as I have said in 3 or 4 replies above, you are children for letting factors outside the game influence your desicion to play it. And not just WWIIOL, but all games.
I refuse to eat Beef because Rancher Bob is a total ass!
I will never visit California because Grey Davis lied!
That is what I am talking about.
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Fanboi's don't bother me.
Heck here in AH I've been called one.
Sokay, I'm lead of the AH trainner corp.
I NEED to be a fanboi.
However HTC did not first lie to me for 6 months like CRS did.
HTC did not release an unplayable game like CRS did. HTC has constantly upgraded & updated the game in a timely fashion.
CRS is the opposite.
In short, HTC has EARNED my loyalty.
What has CRS done to earn theirs?
Will I ever try WWIIOL again?
Not bloodly likely.
Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
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Personally, I played beta and there was no way in hell I was going to pay money for the bug-riddled mess they released. I would probably have given it another shot down the road if it wasn't for the evangelical dip****s that came here for no reason other than to pimp that product. Now, its a matter of principal. The game could be flawless and I still would not play. I'm just not going to reward their tactics.
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^ What he said!
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I play AH. I am trying WWIIOnline again for the 4th or 5th time.
Don't care what anyone from either game says. I don't listen to them anyway. Whats fun for me is for me to decide.
Past is irrelevant. What matters now is does it work...now.
IMHO of course.
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Good for you Lizking. You're not fickle, don't have much for standards and you're analogies are overboard.
In the past I wouldn't buy or use something for many reasons; they used children to make the product in a sweat shops, the company prodcued junk, something wasn't made in America, a corporation supported aparthied, the company leadership were crooks, a company employees had sukk prettythang customer support and relations...etc etc.
Why would not wanting to pay for an entertainment product be any different?
"I refuse to eat Beef because Rancher Bob is a total ass!"
What if he lied about the quality of his beef? Where he got it from or what it had for a diet? Or lied after injecting with hormone drugs or irradiating the meat withouth labelling it so?
"I will never visit California because Grey Davis lied! "
Would depend on the lie.
Bet you watch Fox for your news too ;)
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Actually, the only thing I watch on TV is NASCAR and DVDs. I get my news from three newspapers, Austin, San Antonio and Dallas, and here and AGW.
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Do you notice how WW2OL is treated so differently compared to IL2 or even WB? Why is that…
I was lucky in that there was a flood of patchware I wasted my money on right before WW2OL, so even though I was salivating to buy it day 1, I waited. Man, I was immediately glad I did. However, even though I have little respect for a company that treats its customers in that manner, I still like the concept so I figured I would wait until they got the bugs ironed out and give it a shot. That is far less likely today because:
1. The fanbois (Hardcase in particular). Reap what ye have sown. WW2OL would have to be getting rave reviews and I would have to be seriously dissatisfied with AH and other competition before going there.
2. The lack of a free trial mode for people who have not purchased the game already. I believe there was a limited one at some point recently but I missed it -- ah well. Having avoided getting ripped off once, I’m not in the mood to give CRS any money now unless I know its going to work and going to offer me value first hand.
Charon
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Well, with this many posts, I doubt anyone will note what I say...but what turned me off was the fanboys posting here how great their game was and we should go there now now now. I just thought it was, and is, still bad taste. There's a fine line between discussing another game here, its another for the cheerleading squad to continue repeatedly to drum up their NEWLY fixed game...over and over again.
I could live with the startup bugs. I've been through Falcon 4's bumpy launch and eventual improvements that made it playable and fun. But any effort to read the WW2 forums was a complete waste of time.
The movies, screen shots and other neat things I've seen from the WW2 game havent materialized on my PC. The few times I've pondered going back, the WW2 Cheerleaders strike here and just turn me off to it.
I dont seem to recall anyone from here trumpting how great Aces High is there. I think our player base is better. Well, 'cept for that guy who carpets garages...he's a few thrusters short of warp drive :p
Flame away Gadfly...its cheerleaders like you that keep people like me from trying your game...and if that's your goal, bravo. One less player to battle...a bit less revenue for your rats.
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I guess it was too many posts for you to actually read them then, LePaul?
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See?
So this smug personna is supposed to make us go "Gee, I wanna be like Gadfly and fly WW2OL"
:rolleyes:
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Had you read the posts, you would realize that that is not my reason, AT ALL, for posting in this thread.
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"Had you read the posts, you would realize that that is not my reason, AT ALL, for posting in this thread"
Maybe your intent is not making it through very well or just perhaps it's coming across differently than you're intending? I'm sure you'll spin into being a problem on the readers part.
I've yet to see anyone acknowlege your point nor has anyone thought your trolling was worth a chuckle.
"Golly Andy! Look at that silly ole Gadfly. What a humorous old coot that one is! Wait'll Aunt Bee hears bout what he's gone and done now"
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Yeah, my point isn't too clear, let me try again:
It is stupid to take a decision on playing a game, based upon the people who made the game, instead of the actual game itself.
Now if you just don't like the game, I have no beef. Just say it sucks and move on.
And, this is for any game, not just WWIIOL.
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I think the point that some of us are making as well Gadfly is we see fanboi's posting on here how great the game is, we go check it out and find it blows horse dung. Combine the two offenses and you see why we have a strong negative reaction. But, hey, if you like the game more power to you.
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Once you try it and it blows, no argument from me.
(again, this is any game, not WWIIOL)
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Kieran, I send nobody out to spam boards, just so you know, if I have something to say I have no problem saying it myself.
I usually tell people in discussions to stay away from these boards actually.
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Problem is they don't listen!
My problems with CRS didn't stop me from trying the game 4-5 times but the Fanboys coming over here made sure I'll never go back.
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Tell me CRS Killer is an employee or even a principal of CRS, the maker of WWIIOL.
Is that true??
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Yup, Killer is "da head rat".
Now, let me start off by saying, I got off to a bit of a bad start here. I guess I was a little emotional when I started that other thread, and I put things a little more brash than I meant to. My appologies, that's just the way I am, I say the first thing that comes to my head, straight forward, honest, and for the most part, without remorse.
That being said, All I really want to know is why all the hate??
I see people who are members of the WWIIOL community in the WWIIOL forums promoting AH2, and then come over here and see anyone who even hints at being from the WWIIOL community get gang banged.
And all I really want to know is why.
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Poll: Which put you off WW2OL more - launch or fanboy posts?
Nothing of that should put me off :)
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Originally posted by Pesticide
I see people who are members of the WWIIOL community in the WWIIOL forums promoting AH2, and then come over here and see anyone who even hints at being from the WWIIOL community get gang banged.
And all I really want to know is why.
IMHO anyone here promoting the AH2 beta on the WW2OL boards needs to be shot. It'll do more damage in its current state, as many might misinterprete how far into development it is.
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"anyone who even hints at being from the WWIIOL community get gang banged."
It's not the message. It's all about the delivery.
If the attitude and demeanor are like Headcase or NoAce then the messenger tends to get shot. Otherwise if you have some modicrum of respect for where you're posting (a free, open board on a businesses web site meant for thier product and customers) then being a messenger isn't a bad thing.
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Originally posted by Pesticide
Yup, Killer is "da head rat".
Now, let me start off by saying, I got off to a bit of a bad start here. I guess I was a little emotional when I started that other thread, and I put things a little more brash than I meant to. My appologies, that's just the way I am, I say the first thing that comes to my head, straight forward, honest, and for the most part, without remorse.
That being said, All I really want to know is why all the hate??
I see people who are members of the WWIIOL community in the WWIIOL forums promoting AH2, and then come over here and see anyone who even hints at being from the WWIIOL community get gang banged.
And all I really want to know is why.
Check your first thread in the AH BBS. That should give you a clue in your search.
BTW. I play both games.
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Well, I can tell you I was interested in trying WWIIOL. I asked many friends for an honest opinion and they all said 'Wait" so I did.
Then I was playing around in the O'club awhile back and I read a thread started by a fan of WWIIOL. No harm. I thought it was in poor taste to come to a competitors sponsored BBS to promote a competeing product, and let's face it...HTC and CRS are direct competitors. Then I realized this guy was not a friendly member of the AH community saying "Hi. check this out." He was asked to come over here because of a CRS recruiting drive. Now I see it's being done again. I just read a thread on your board asking for AH players to e-mail some guy to start another recruiting drive on AH BBS.
That is low. I consider HTC to be almost like a friend. The crew over there is the best in terms of caring for their customer.
People from CRS coming over here to try to take away subscribers from AH is something I take as a personal insult. It's crass and shows poor manners.
Now the TOP CRS guy, killer, is over here commenting. The mere presence of a CRS employee saying ANYTHING on a competitors BBS is in poor taste in my opinion.
Backlash is the word I would use to describe CRS' Marketing efforts.
Best to keep silent, and let the game spread word of mouth. Due to the actions of some CRS personnell, both employed and not, I will not be subscribing to WWIIOL anytime in the forseeable future.
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hey look, I posted in here to try to understand why there is so much animosity. I arleady appologized for the first thread.
I'm asking the same questions in both forums, and as of yet I have yet to get a straight answer other than because of some posts Zeroace (who few people pay attention to in WWIIOL anyways) and Hardcase made in here I don't know when.
Vulkan has explained it to me a little bit over there, but I fail to see how that prompts threads like this one which apears to be nothing more than a "why do you hate wwiiol" thread.
I'm not over here to put down AH in any way, Ive barely even played it. I'm just trying to figure out why there's so much mud slinging going on on both sides.
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Muckmaw,
please read what Killer had to say in THIS (http://discussions.playnet.com/viewtopic.php?t=6077&start=25) thread. The feelings in the respective communities are not shared by the developers. You may also want to read some of my [Pesty] replies in that thread.
As for CRS trying to steal players, I see nothing of the sort hapening. From my perspective, it apears that they are doing nothing more than suggesting that they may offer a discount or trial for members of other communities. They are in no way suggesting "stealing" players from another game. They also did not target AH specifically, they apear to be extending this offer to all flight-sim communities.
Many people in the WWIIOL community have promoted other games, AH included, in the WWIIOL forums. I have yet to see CRS, any of the forum moderators, or any community members complain about it. CRS is not a DIRECT competitor with AH, yes, it has a flight sim aspect to it, but it has more of a ground aspect than AH, and I would put money down that says that most of the WWIIOL players play ground most of the time.
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I hope my post cleared up at least my feelings about it.
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And all I really want to know is why.
One particular poster made it his daily job to come in here and harrass players who posted anything negative about the game. See, it isn't about anyone blowing steam... no... that just couldn't be allowed. It turned into a "you're just not mature enough", or "you're too dumb to set up your computer right", that sort of thing. This particular player would periodically post his threads in the General Forum, full-well knowing what would happen. When the crap hit the fan he'd stand back and play the "whut'd I do?" juvenile B.S. he is so good at.
Killer, you DO share some of the blame for it, because you guys could have stopped it. Hardcase worships the ground you guys walk on- just read his posts. All you had to do was ask him to back off. Heck, I'd think it would have been in your best interests to do so, given how his proselytizing backfired. Now you can claim you didn't know, or were too busy, that's cool... I just don't believe it. Look how fast you found this thread when I pointed a finger back at you guys specifically. THAT is the way it has always been with you guys.
I don't dwell on this, really... last night I was up and had some energy and time to kill. Gadfly wanted to take the part of "you guys are immature idiots" because we didn't express our thoughts and opinions in a manner pleasing to him... tough. Doesn't really matter what my opinion of the game and the company is, it's my opinion. Someone asked for it and got it.
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I know a couple of the guys at CRS...Hatch has always been good to me. CRS just want's to cashflow ww20nline...nothing wrong with that.
As to fanboy's from ww2 on our board....I don't really pay any attention to them...we have some tards here as well. I'm afraid I've gotten used to them:eek:
I play AH becuase it more closely delivers what I enjoy the most in gameplay...air to air combat. I've tried ww2 several times and they have made improvements...just most folks like drivin or runnin around on the ground over there...that's not my bag.
I wish everyone the best in their endeavors...I'll go where my dollar buys the most fun.
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Yup, Killer is "da head rat".
Now, let me start off by saying, I got off to a bit of a bad start here. I guess I was a little emotional when I started that other thread, and I put things a little more brash than I meant to. My appologies, that's just the way I am, I say the first thing that comes to my head, straight forward, honest, and for the most part, without remorse.
That being said, All I really want to know is why all the hate??
I see people who are members of the WWIIOL community in the WWIIOL forums promoting AH2, and then come over here and see anyone who even hints at being from the WWIIOL community get gang banged.
And all I really want to know is why.
That’s what all wwiiol cross posters say. "Well I am sorry I got off to a bad start" etc.
Don’t mention to us about folks talking about ah2 on the wwiiol boards. The only folks who can post over there are wwiiol subscribers. Threads get locked or deleted over there just as quick as your troll here did. As a matter of fact the board over at wwiiol had to excluded non-subscribers because of how terrible it got.
Wwiiol isn’t new to us. Many have played and still play. What hardcase and zeroace do in making their "friendly information posts" is spew a bunch of lies about how great wwiiol is. But when folks call umm on issues they get defensive and lie by saying those issues don’t exist or say, "you are the only one".
So after 50 posts that run 500 replies long whenever these types open their mouths folks are going to call them on it. For them to go away playing victim is ridiculous. You yourself come over here insulting folks that play this game and then run back over their and cry "see how they treated me". You do so on a forum that’s locked out to those of us who no longer subscribe to wwiiol.
Even in the thread Vulcan linked above theres numerous lies.
I don’t play wwiiol anymore because it’s not fun. I could give a long list of issues that add to my opinion of it. If you enjoy wwiiol, get back to playing it. If something new and exciting happens over at wwiiol there are enough Ah'rs playing wwiiol that folks over here trust to keep us informed.
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"I just read a thread on your board asking for AH players to e-mail some guy to start another recruiting drive on AH BBS."
No you did not. Niether this BBS, nor a "recruiting drive" is mentioned or intended. We have no intention of, and never have, to send anyone to this bbs.
It would be silly simply on the face of it. Less than 10% of a community even read a games BBS in the first place, and they are usually a vocal minority unrepresentative of the games community. It's just as silly to judge a game based on forum posters. It is of use but very limited use.
As for companies, I consider myself a friend of HT's as do several people at CRS. It's a shame our customer's have to manufacture religious jihads aganst each other. I hope AH2 does well and wish HT the best of luck.
I remain civil as always, I'm not advertising anything, and if HT doesn't want me here I assume he'll call me, send an e-mail, or post here asking me not to post.
Posting here is not in bad tase unless the contents of the post is in bad taste.
What you read Rafter asking for is people who play wwiiol and other sims to contact him so he can try to figure out ways to reach simulation players with promotions.
That's what a marketing person does, he investigates means to market a product, learning how to effectively get your message to the proper demographic is SOP. It's called market research.
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as Animal and Gadfly tried to explain to me..
don't judge the game on the posts of a couple of idiots.
I don't take anything that comes out of Zeroace seriously on the WWIIOL forums, given, you guys didn't know them over here. But we see people with "free trials" do the same thing in WWIIOL all the time. Mind you, they don't mention other communities, they just come in saying "this sucks, that sucks, whatever sucks, everything sucks" bla bla bla. I can understand why you would treat the individual with hostility, but try not to hold it against the whole community. I don't anymore.
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^^^ Yup.
The fact of the matter is that only a tiny percentage of a mmpog's population actually bother to post on their community's forum... and even then, only a rediculously small population of THOSE act like complete jerk-offs..
Unfortunately, these jerks (present in ALL communities, and they're JUST as prevalent here as they are in WWIIOL) can leave an awfully sour taste in the mouths of the more mild mannered majority.
Now, as far as WWIIOL goes, I think it's a great game. Granted, for the 1st YEAR it sucked balls. But so what? It's held MY attention for 2 years, and it's really paying off now. Today I love the game like no other. So, I guess that makes me a 'fanbois' that everyone seems to hate. :(
(and before anyone asks, I like AH too)
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Originally posted by Pesticide
as Animal and Gadfly tried to explain to me..
don't judge the game on the posts of a couple of idiots.
I don't take anything that comes out of Zeroace seriously on the WWIIOL forums, given, you guys didn't know them over here. But we see people with "free trials" do the same thing in WWIIOL all the time. Mind you, they don't mention other communities, they just come in saying "this sucks, that sucks, whatever sucks, everything sucks" bla bla bla. I can understand why you would treat the individual with hostility, but try not to hold it against the whole community. I don't anymore.
Trying to get this one locked up too? WTG you tardlet.
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Guys, honestly, please don't bash the game for what it was 2 years ago. The game has come further in the past 2 years than most games have in 5. CRS had done a great job on the game, and if you played it now, you would not even recognize it. Bashing a game cause it got bad reviews when released (especially a MMOG) is kinda silly considering there is very few MMOGs that launch without any mistakes. WW2OL is fun, I like to play it, and I like Aces High. But please cut the flaming on CRS, there a great Dev team, and they spend more time informing the community on what is going on more than any Dev team I have ever seen. Come on guys, your more mature than this
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Well this vocal minority has been put off by *your* boards vocal minority...and ya don't see me there trumping up the propoganda machine about how great Aces High is
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Dsty, your rambling fanboi comments about WW2OL are no different than Zeroace's were a couple of months ago. Is the game changed that much since then? I really doubt it. And if it were all that and a bag of chips some senior members of this BBS (more than just Gadfly) would have stated so on this board. All the evidence this community needs about an online game is the community itself, those of us that have been here for a while, post on a daily basis, and know each other to certain degrees. No amount of whining by you or Pesticide (perfect name BTW) will change that fact.
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They continue to lie and continue to keep the blowhards and liars on the staff
I'm sorry, but that is such a BS statement, explain to me where they have lied? I bet NONE of you have played the game in the past 6 months.
Wwiiol isn’t new to us. Many have played and still play. What hardcase and zeroace do in making their "friendly information posts" is spew a bunch of lies about how great wwiiol is. But when folks call umm on issues they get defensive and lie by saying those issues don’t exist or say, "you are the only one".
So, just because you don't like WW2OL means it must be a lie if somebody says it is great? Everybody is entitled to there own opinion, but come on now, your being a hypocrite when you say that.
CRS just want's to cashflow ww20nline...nothing wrong with that.
Come on, you can't honestly be serious? If all they cared about was the money, then they don't have much money to care about. The community is small, just like AH community.
And about complaining threads getting locked, yes they do, if they get to the point where there is alot of flaming (And that happens alot :|) but otherwise, CRS listens to our opinions and they know what needs to be fixed.
I don't hate you guys for making these horrible remarks about WW2OL & CRS, but I am dissapointed that such a mature group as yourselfs would bash a game you probably haven't played in a long time, and to make it worse, bash the community, which is full of nice, fun people. You guys really dissapoint me :(
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Originally posted by Dsty2001
I'm sorry, but that is such a BS statement, explain to me where they have lied? I bet NONE of you have played the game in the past 6 months.
Wrong. Tried it 3 months ago. Came to the same conclusion I did 18 months ago:it's a POS. Try again.
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
Trying to get this one locked up too? WTG you tardlet.
Man, I just complimented two members of the AH community, how is that trying to get the thread locked??
On top of that Dsty said he liked AH too, and you just jumped all over him.
we are not Zeroace and hardcase, neither of us has said one bad word about AH as a game. Yes, I made some comments about the community in a previous thread, to which I have appologized for previously.
Diablo, the kind of attitude you just exibited is the reason I made that original post in the first place.
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Is the game changed that much since then? I really doubt it.
How do you know the game has not changed much since you have not played it? You sir, are an *******, I didn't say ANYTHING bad about your community or try to promote WW2OL, I'm just trying to say that to bash a game for its launch is silly. WW2OL is a great game, AH is a great game, EVERYBODY HAS THERE OWN OPINIONS, and just because you disagree with them, does not mean they lied or they are jerks. WW2OL has changed ALOT since release, and when I mean ALOT, I mean ALOT. I can assure you, that if you played the game now, there would be very few stuff you would recognize. There is now over 360+ Towns in game, the graphics have changed, the Gameplay has changed, alot of new weapons have been added, the game is stable for most people, there is very few bugs in the game now, and the ones that are in game are very minor.
And if it were all that and a bag of chips some senior members of this BBS (more than just Gadfly) would have stated so on this board.
Oh yeah, I'm 100% sure your community would tell about EVERY single update there is to ww2ol.
NOT
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"on't bash the game for what it was 2 years ago."
Dusty. Do you or any of the others who run over here to pipe in bother to read posts by people such as I who have stated many, many times it's NOT all about the initial release? That quite a few of the people who have differing opinions than yours, Hardcases or Zeroaces on how great a game or sim WWIIO is have tried it repetatively for the past couple of years. That we see the same bugs and issues even if the gameplay has changed. And not all of the gameplay changes have been IMO. That even last night the game breaker issue (for me) where icons wink in and out, still exists. LONG after Killer said it would be fixed? (IMO that problem is ... (huh! I can say it here. Can't there as the topic get locked faster than an intern goes down)... mostly the server is incaopable of being able to update clients quick enough and/or there's some major problems with the netcode) Or do you just gloss over these parts because it's easier and quicker to try negate a differing opinion with an irrelevant "that was two years ago!" For some people they felt robbed. I feel they have that right too. Yet for even more people it's the long term unfixed bugs, gameplay issues, missing features and more.
"..ya don't see me there trumping up the propoganda machine about how great Aces High is"
That's because you can't. Not unless you pay for the pain of dong so. ;)
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I'm out of here, I would like to discuss this with you guys, but you obviously have no intentions to settle this whole deal. I'll just let it be, but I do hope some of you get out of your flaming attitudes and realise that CRS is a great community, and the WW2OL Community (For the most part, there is some A-Holes there, just like ALL MMOGs or Online Communities) is a great community. I personally don't know what this thread is about or how it got started, but what caught my eye is how everybody was flaming the community and CRS. Personally, I'm going to go try the AH Beta now, goodbye
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One last post- Hardcase and Zeroaces opinions or posts do NOT reflect the majority of the WW2OL playerbase, It may be YOUR opinion the game sucks, and I'm ok with that, I don't like the 64limit either but it will change. I've been with the game since launch, and it DID have a sucky launch, but if you have been with it for as long as I have, you would be amazed (As am I) how much it has changed. If not, oh well, you have your own opinion. But please do not flame CRS or the community, or openly bash the game like you are. Because when that happens, of course there is going to be people to come over here and defend it. I would to but I learned a long time ago you can not change somebodies opinion if they feel strongly for it. Later
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Dsty2001 would you buy the screwdriver that the salesman just pulled off your bellybutton if he apologised and kissed you afterwards?
CRS lost their credibility, reliability and face with the launch. Enough false advertising to make up a court case combined with promises that were not fulfilled.
I personally waited WW2OL open beta eagerly. I was extremely disappointed when it was cancelled at the last meters.
Later, after reading WW2OL boards and seeing the total mess it was, I was happy not to waste time with the product let alone pay a dime doing so. I was tempted to buy the box, but reading the ubb convinced me to save my money. Later I joined the free trial. It felt like playing a beta version of an Amiga500 game.
As it is now, WW2OL could be the next best thing and sugar on top, I will never surrender my C/C info to untrustworthy people (CRS.)
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The way I see it, every game has it's own problems.
WWIIOL's are the 64 limit, stuka bug, possibly slightly overmodeled rudder (which honestly doesn't bother me much) just to name a few. I'm sure AH has it's own.
Was it wrong for Zero and hardcase to come here and do nothing but harp on the problems of AH, if it was done in a derogitory or infamitory way, absolutely. (assuming that's what they did from what I heard, I haven't seen it). By the same right, I think it's wrong for people using "free trials" of WWIIOL to do nothing but harp about the bugs in the forums over there.
the point is, everyone is entitled to their own oppinions, and don't judge the views of an entire community on the actions of a few dinks.
People like diferent games for diferent reasons. I know many people who play WWIIOL for the 24/7 action and the "big picture" aspect. I know people who play IL-2 for the quick dogfight aspect. I'm sure there are many reasons people like AH or WB better than both of these games. I got no problem with it, and I got no problem with someone comming into the WWIIOL forums and saying "hey, there's a new version of AH out, yall should try it", or "check out this WB3 video" or " there's a new patch for IL-2 out".
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I leached this quote from Killer over at the WW2OL boards.
What I find funny is that me and HT get along just fine, much better than our players do. We would both get a good laugh out of the taliban fundamentalists in both camps.
I've often wondered this and thought the whole "issue" was funny.
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CRS lost their credibility, reliability and face with the launch. Enough false advertising to make up a court case combined with promises that were not fulfilled.
Most of there promises are fullfilled, and once more, your judging the game and you've probably not played it in a long time? And how have they "False Advertised"? Sure they did it on the original release, but Strategy First should be blamed for that, not CRS. Besides, I can't name a single MMOG that has been launched with everything that has been promised. Just because you hate CRS, doesn't mean you should single them out. Cause they are DEFINATELY not the only company that has done this. And most of them companies had no other choice
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Of course, you've probably not played many MMOGs. MMOG's are hard to do for MANY reasons, and the day a Company releases a MMOG with "ALL" the features, "ALL" the promises with very little bugs, is the day the gaming community will cry out in happiness. Cause it has NOT been done yet, and if you think otherwise, your thinking WRONG.
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See here we go. We get a good flow of want to be "wwiiol martyrs" coming here talking crap. Then they run home when they get called on it and claim how intolerant we are. They then hide been the fact that only subscribers can post on their forums.
Pesticide - He run here insults every one runs home tells everyone how bad we are then comes back "well I didn't mean to be mean I just want to know why you don’t like us.
See your first post on the forum
Durin - Amen brotha' Pesticide everyone who has a problem with wwiiol'rs coming here insultin' folk are jerk offs. They should justa kept dey mouf shut and thanked ya'. Why I's bet ya'lls hates me too...
Dsty2001 - Folks aren’t saying they hate wwiiol because of the players. 1st the game sucks. The folks who catch hell over here were folks that come over here with their insults. Like hardcase, zeroace, Pesticide and yourself.
We don’t need you to tell us about wwiiol. Being an ex player I get emails from them when something new comes up and there are plenty of ah'rs who play wwiiol that give their feedback to us in numerous ways.
One last post- Hardcase and Zeroaces opinions or posts do NOT reflect the majority of the WW2OL playerbase, It may be YOUR opinion the game sucks, and I'm ok with that, I don't like the 64limit either but it will change. I've been with the game since launch, and it DID have a sucky launch, but if you have been with it for as long as I have, you would be amazed (As am I) how much it has changed. If not, oh well, you have your own opinion. But please do not flame CRS or the community, or openly bash the game like you are. Because when that happens, of course there is going to be people to come over here and defend it. I would to but I learned a long time ago you can not change somebodies opinion if they feel strongly for it. Later
You are doing the same as hardcase and zeroace, wearing out your welcome. If you love wwiiol so much why are wasting your time here go play it. Take your name-calling and fanbio'ism back to wwiiol and get your "medal" for taking on the chin "defending your game.
Remember you all came here.
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Dsty,
personally, I think everything before like 1.2 should have been beta. Ive said that before on the wwiiol boards and if I ever run into any of the rats at Benniganns I'd make no bones about saying it to them. I think they know as well as anyone that for about the first year, there were some serious "issues".
IF people want to still hold that against them, then that's their right. I'm not saying it's right, but I have a former roomate that still holds it against a friend that he pulled out of moving into the house the day after my fmr. roomate closed on the loan. That was about 3 years ago.
Personally, I'm pretty good about letting things go and giving people a second, or sometimes even a third chance. I actually unsubscribed twice from the game because I wasn't happy with it.
If they don't like the game because of the game itself or because they feel that CRS has wronged them in some way, that's fine. I just don't think they should base that dislike on the oppinions of a couple of jerk-off's.
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Dsty2001 - Folks aren’t saying they hate wwiiol because of the players. 1st the game sucks. The folks who catch hell over here were folks that come over here with their insults. Like hardcase, zeroace, Pesticide and yourself.
Exactly where did I throw an insult that wasn't in defence? I didn't say anything bad about this community until people started flaming me, as are you.
Besides, I have seen very few bad posts about any of you. NOTHING compared to what I have read in this thread, in fact, somebody posted a link the AH2 Open Beta to show it off to us. I play multiple games, and have opinions on all of them.
You are doing the same as hardcase and zeroace, wearing out your welcome. If you love wwiiol so much why are wasting your time here go play it. Take your name-calling and fanbio'ism back to wwiiol and get your "medal" for taking on the chin "defending your game.
How am I wearing out my welcome? Just because I say good things about WW2OL does not mean I'm evil. Why am I not playing Ww2OL right now? Hmm, thats a toughy, oh wait, I DONT HAVE TO PLAY IT ALL THE TIME, in fact, I'm going to play it after I make this post. Get what medal? I don't brag about what I say over here, heck, I've only made one or two posts about this entire ordeal. I'm not defending WW2OL, I'm defending CRS and the Community. Nuff said, lata
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If they don't like the game because of the game itself or because they feel that CRS has wronged them in some way, that's fine. I just don't think they should base that dislike on the oppinions of a couple of jerk-off's.
Heh, I could care less what they think of the game, but basing the community and CRS off of a few people, and the release ticks me off. No MMOG has been released perfectly, and to single out CRS ticks me off also :( It's just a shame IMO 2 good communitys have to bash each other like this. I'm gone for good this time, later
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re-read my anicdote(sp?) about the friend and the roomate.
Some people don't understand the concept of forgive and forget, or second chances. And that's their right, we don't have to agree with it, but we do have to accept it. There is no getting through to some people, and while that doesn't mean give up trying on everyone, there are some who you shouldn't waste your time on.
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Wise decision. <- For Dsty.
Anyway you're doing more bad than good for wwiiol when posting in here; just like some others did before you.
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Originally posted by Dsty2001
How do you know the game has not changed much since you have not played it? You sir, are an *******
Jeez...people don't reada **** nowadays. I said I played it 3 months ago. It sucked then, it sucks now. You sir are a tardlet like your little fanboi Pesticide.
Congrats Pest, you complimented 2 AH players. We get jumped on regularly here in the O'Club, its a part of posting here. Just because you think you get jumped on you assume we all want to dismiss you. What we dismiss are the way you guys are presenting WW2OL in this forum. Realise that a mojority of AH players play other online sims as well, IL2 WB3 etc...but in no way do we all like AH only. Plenty of us, of not most, play other online games that aren't flightsims. This discussion was played out 3 months ago by Zeroace, and now with Dsty and Pest (even better name BTW). Do us a favor, just disappear...
In before lock... :D
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First line of your 3rd post Dsty2001
How do you know the game has not changed much since you have not played it? You sir, are an *******,
That was your reply to this
Wrong. Tried it 3 months ago. Came to the same conclusion I did 18 months ago:it's a POS. Try again.
They guy said wwiiol was a pos and you called him an *******.
No one insulted you and you werent defending yourself. You were waving the CRS flag.
Your first post in this thread was fanboi'ism at its finest. As I said before no one here needs a fanboi to lie to them about how great wwiiol. Most of us have 1st hand experience with the game. So like like it, some dont. Folks dont get mocked because they like it, they get mocked for being lying fanboi spammers. If you like wwwiol great for you. Not everyone likes it and they dont deserve someone like you calling them an "*******" over it.
Now tell me again how you werent offensive. I bet one could consider you denial a "lie" but we will just assume you forgot.
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FYI I have read every post in this topic.
Hi guys, I appologize if people have have made you sour about playing WW2ol, but here is the deal. While many of you may have trouble accepting this, the game has changed, a lot. I mean, even I was skeptical of playing it at first and waited a year. However, when I think about how far this game has gotten, and is still getting, it truely amazes me. Though, granted, I have never played AH, and I am sure it is a great game, WW2ol just does it for me.
I read your forum post, I was given the link to it in the hangar. I can understand if some of you are not interested in playing the game, that's fine. I am not especially interested in playing your game. However, I would not post on these forums, or our own, telling people that your game sucks. That is just bad class. Perhaps some people would be interested in playing WW2ol that are on your forums? Why make THEM sour as well? We would not do that to your players.
I am an active member in the WW2ol community, but I am by no means a fanboy. Perhaps I enjoy informing people about the game, and trying to recruit people, I do not push it on them. I understand that you might percieve this as bad class, and so would I. However, you must understand that these people are only trying to help. Maybe YOU are not interested in WW2ol, but Jack of there might be. The only problem is that he see's the posts that you make about it, and assume it is still the same bug filled game that it once was.
I will continue monitoring your post after I make mine, and if I feel it is nessicary for me to respond once more, I will. I am glad you guys are enjoying your game, that's great. But don't poison peoples opinions about ours, let them form their own. Anyways, I am just asking you to stop bashing our community. We do not bash yours, so please, do not do that to us.
Thank's guys, take care and have fun!
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:rofl
this thread is funneh.
I don't even know when I started playing AH anymore... it was like, a version before the Navy was introduced...
During my trial I flew gooneys a lot... cuz C-47 just plain kick ass
after my trial ended I was never able to resume live server play, cuz of the $$$ but I stuck to H2H like glue, and hade ages of good times there between dogfights, air-ground games, territory capturing and air races
AH died out w/ me after a while. I kept up with versions to see what new came around ... and it took years for another free trial to open up... so eventually I stopped installing AH all together...
I was with WWIIOL since before release and have had an active account since... WWIIOL is in no fuggin way perfect, but its not bad enough to be publicly subjected to the kind of BS that this forum seems to indulge in.
WWIIOL, I had to take breaks from it at times for many reasons... sometimes out of pure frustration, but I don't go running to my old (or new) communities kicking and screaming about how much it sucks and why we should hate everyone affiliated with it... why? because im not ten years old, and I have better things to do with my life then make it a personal goal to hate a software company.
Every thread like this seems to shave little shreds of respect that I once had for this community off, especially for the moderators and staff which shouldnt condone negative discussion of other games (although im sure they love the negative publicity).
Inane threads like these would be better suited to be a naturalistc psychology experiment portraying "Self-Serving Bias."
But i know why you do it... you take gaggle of people and you group them together and give them a name, they'll stick together and defend their name, and drag the name of their opponents in the dirt... So You "Aces High People" will always be at odds with the "WWIIOnline people."
whats the solution?
don't even start threads about WWIIOL in any way shape or form here. No matter what the purpose, people can't resist the temptation to come on in and start tearing the hell out of it. Is it because their stupid? maybe, but more likely its because they want to conform with the group and be "accepted" in a way...
I don't monitor all of the WWIIOL forums 24/7, but the only Aces High related threads I can ever recall seeing are ones alerting the WWIIOL community about threads that knock WWIIOL that the "AH People" started. there may be others, but I havent seen them in the 2 years I've been there.
So I ask you people, whom I used to have a lot of respect for, to think before you post... you know damn well a topic with "WWIIOL" in the name is going to start something, so why start it?
If it so just that gratifying for you to drag other names through the dirt, then you seriously need a life. Common courtesy is a rare commodity online, because everyone who hides behind their computer feels bigger and ballsier when they dont have to talk to peoples faces. I mean, half the things I read on this thread about WWIIOL isnt even true... two years and I've never seena single picture of a B-17 with pretty bullet holes and seat covers... sounds like someone got confused with B-17II: The Mighty Eighth.
proving that some people are just ripping on WWIIOL for the sake of doing so without any real knowledge of what their talking about. Is that fair? no... and dont use the negative AH posts made by a few of WWIIOLs community members in the past as a way to justify your hatred. if you judge a whole community by the actions of a few, then you probably don't get along with many people in real life.
I know after I leave i'll probably be just either brushed off or be called a fanboi or something, likely because such posters lack either the intellect or vocabulary to provide an intelligent rebut. I know because I try to make stupid people STFU all the time on WWIIOL boards using tact and logic and it doesnt work on people who have already made up their minds that they're right and everyone else is wrong. But it's worth it as long as a few people listen.
I can't sit still and let WWIIOL get bashed by biased opinion and false statements without trying to make some people understand, but I'm sure that those who are capable of understanding didn't post here to begin with.
Go ahead and post your replies. I may be back to reply to any intelligent ones.
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Another couple of gems from the wwiiol martyr bridgade.
If you read every thread then you know vulcan was asking why some ah'rs are put off by wwiiol. Nothing Vulcan asked about needed any comment from the wwiiol crowd.
If you read the posts its the wwiiol guys who came over here insulting folks. No ah'r went to your forum (well only those who have an active account over there) and insulted you.
Its you all who keep framing the "arguement" into an us vrs them. Folks here here are saying specifically 2 spammers are/were the problem. You "heros of wwiiol honor" come over here and but into discussions that have nothinbg to do you. Not only do you do that but you come over and throw insults. Then run back to your board and point fingers at those bad ah'rs.
I dunno why you waste your time here. Go play your game.
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They guy said wwiiol was a pos and you called him an *******.
No, I did not call him an ******* for that, I called him an ******* for this
Dsty, your rambling fanboi comments about WW2OL are no different than Zeroace's were a couple of months ago.
Its you all who keep framing the "arguement" into an us vrs them. Folks here here are saying specifically 2 spammers are/were the problem. You "heros of wwiiol honor" come over here and but into discussions that have nothinbg to do you. Not only do you do that but you come over and throw insults. Then run back to your board and point fingers at those bad ah'rs.
Your assuming we are, I've not seen anybody here except for maybe one or two people post anything bad about "Those bad Ah'rs" and I am not a Hero of WWIIOL Honor, I am just trying to tell you guys that CRS & The WW2OL Community is not a bunch of assh0les or liars. Also, I did NOT throw insults at anybody that didn't deserve it. Your hatred is clogging your logical thinking, please calm down and read all my posts before making un-true comments about me.
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If you read the posts its the wwiiol guys who came over here insulting folks. No ah'r went to your forum (well only those who have an active account over there) and insulted you.
I didn't come over here insulting folks, I came over here to explain that Zeroace and Hardcase wasn't the majority of the WW2OL community. Besides, your telling me if we said something bad about your community or game that you wouldn't come to our forums and do the same thing I am? Of course you would if it was possible!
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Oh yeah, I remember when this community insulted WW2OL before, and that is what caused alot of people to come over here and do what they did. But two wrongs don't make a right, so bashing WW2OL, CRS, and its community just because some jerks came over here doesn't mean you have to bash us. I've said NOTHING bad about your game OR your community, I like to play AH when I want to play with a variety of planes and loadouts, and fly bombers. Although I don't have a suscription, I do fly in the H2H arenas and offline alot, so please don't tell me I came over here insulting your community or game, cause I DIDNT
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Batz you seem to be a very Aces High biased person.
"If you read every thread then you know vulcan was asking why some ah'rs are put off by wwiiol. Nothing Vulcan asked about needed any comment from the wwiiol crowd. "
The question didn't need to be asked to begin with. It was starting something that you know would attract attention from the WWIIOL community... if you DIDN'T know that then you're either new to the AH boards, or don't frequent them.
If you tell me that doesnt make sense to you, revert your attention to the top line... I assumed ahead of time that it didn't sicne you posted that line in the first place, so I started my post off with said top line.
"If you read the posts its the wwiiol guys who came over here insulting folks. No ah'r went to your forum (well only those who have an active account over there) and insulted you. "
I'm not one of those people... deal with those people directly.
"Its you all who keep framing the "arguement" into an us vrs them. Folks here here are saying specifically 2 spammers are/were the problem. You "heros of wwiiol honor" come over here and but into discussions that have nothinbg to do you. Not only do you do that but you come over and throw insults. Then run back to your board and point fingers at those bad ah'rs."
it is Us Vs. Them. take all these people and throw them in a room together and they'd probably get along fine as long as they didn't know the other guy was playing in the other game... arguments would start as soon as they figured it out. group Vs group conflicts are studied all the time, and this is a good example of it.
as for the people here saying two spammers were the problem; well, im literate and have read more than that, so dont overgeneralize things to the point where you discredit my post. I posted for the benifet of both "sides" because, quite frankly, they look like children going back and forth, not just in this post but in the others I've seen resulting in these flame fests.
take off your AH jacket for awhile and view things from a 3rd person view... we human beings play these games to have fun, not start at each others throats.
I replied with that initial top line because you're standing by the Vulcan like his post was some perfectly just and meaningful post, when it really has no effect than "why we should hate WWIIOL" and you know it. I come here and try and simply try and make all this crap that ALWAYS happens end, and I try to be nice about it, and im just thrown into the group of "WWIIOLers" and immediately told to go away.
Too bad...
have a good one
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DiabloTX made a reply to you after you made 2 posts already.
DiabloTX said this to you
Wrong. Tried it 3 months ago. Came to the same conclusion I did 18 months ago:it's a POS. Try again.
Then you called him an *******, not before and you had already replied to his previous post. You dont need to lie to me.
Like I said folks can say they dont like ah or dont like wwiiol. They dont need to explain to you me or anyone else. If you cant tolerate someone not liking your game thats on you. I dont like it eirther dont bother telling me how great it is I know 1st hand.
you all have your own "bash ah" thread going on right now
http://discussions.playnet.com/viewtopic.php?t=6732
But you see there lotsa stuff posted their thats lies and untrue. But we cant correct it.
Heres an untruth you can correct
Posted by killer in that thread
ltdata, I see that head view system as turn off. It lets you stick your head out through the glass, or up through the controls/gunsight/windshield.
Like this which seems to be the "over the shoulder" view if I'm reading this right and not mistaken... the viewpoint is in an impossible position, with head at least a foot forward and spun 180 degress and inserted halfway through the side canopy glass....
Tell killer the pic he linked isnt a shot from the cockpit but an offline shot in external view zoomed in. Tell him to learn to read as well because right at the top it says "VM EXTERNAL".
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I dont even play any more so dont tell me about biased. Theres lotsa stuff that sucks about ah. I have said so often.
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oh and the deal with you crap, I dont have dealt with you read your previous post my reply covered it.
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"you all have your own "bash ah" thread going on right now "
you do realize that the hostilities in that thread all came from one of our community members finding THIS thread right?
Cause and effect
all it takes is a stike on the match from either side, and it results in a flame fest somewhere... noone cares about which game is better anymore, just about draggin the other one in the dirt.
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"oh and the deal with you crap, I dont have dealt with you read your previous post my reply covered it."
please fix that I cant understand the message you're trying to convey
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Alright :(
I thought I could come here and maybe straighten out your opinions. I guess I was wrong. Sorry for trying guys, eventually you will understand, but until then it is pointless.
Uribien, stop. Dsty, no more. This thread is going no where, lets leave it be and let them think what they want. At least one or 2 people will read my post and understand it, instead of misinterperting my words.
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Since you OBVIOUSLY cannot read Batz, I will go over this one more time.
Dsty, your rambling fanboi comments about WW2OL are no different than Zeroace's were a couple of months ago. Is the game changed that much since then?
My reply
quote:Is the game changed that much since then? I really doubt it
How do you know the game has not changed much since you have not played it? You sir, are an *******, I didn't say ANYTHING bad about your community or try to promote WW2OL
There, if you can not put 2 and 2 together, you need to go to school. It's called typing a reply while somebody else has already replied, it happens ALL the time on forums. Nice try at trying to prove me of lying, but it blew up in your face jerk.
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you do realize that the hostilities in that thread all came from one of our community members finding THIS thread right?
and I am sure YOU realize that to a good many folks in ah that their attitude came from "other" posts by wwiiol types spamming this board right?
You see its a 2 way street. But your own biased doesnt allow you to grasp that. As I said the negative comments toward anything wwiiol over here is a result of previous wwiiol types posting here.
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In before lock! :aok
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Originally posted by LtReiben
I replied with that initial top line because you're standing by the Vulcan like his post was some perfectly just and meaningful post, when it really has no effect than "why we should hate WWIIOL" and you know it. I come here and try and simply try and make all this crap that ALWAYS happens end, and I try to be nice about it, and im just thrown into the group of "WWIIOLers" and immediately told to go away.
Umm, my thread was simple supposed to be a poll, because Zeroace didn't consider any of his posts from earlier this year to be damaging to the WW2OL community. He kept insisting fanboy posts on the AH BBS had nothing to do with the 'hatred', I just wanted to say not true.
Don't forget I'm a paying playing active member of WW2OL (for oh about 9 months now), I was on for 5 hours last night even! I'm a member of 3rd Panzer. If you think I 'hate' WW2OL you couldn't be more wrong.
I'm off to change my handle to JerrySpringer.
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See your the typical wwiiol type, a insulting lying fanboi
Heres the order of your posts
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Guys, honestly, please don't bash the game for what it was 2 years ago. The game has come further in the past 2 years than most games have in 5. CRS had done a great job on the game, and if you played it now, you would not even recognize it. Bashing a game cause it got bad reviews when released (especially a MMOG) is kinda silly considering there is very few MMOGs that launch without any mistakes. WW2OL is fun, I like to play it, and I like Aces High. But please cut the flaming on CRS, there a great Dev team, and they spend more time informing the community on what is going on more than any Dev team I have ever seen. Come on guys, your more mature than this
Then diablo
Dsty, your rambling fanboi comments about WW2OL are no different than Zeroace's were a couple of months ago. Is the game changed that much since then? I really doubt it. And if it were all that and a bag of chips some senior members of this BBS (more than just Gadfly) would have stated so on this board. All the evidence this community needs about an online game is the community itself, those of us that have been here for a while, post on a daily basis, and know each other to certain degrees. No amount of whining by you or Pesticide (perfect name BTW) will change that fact.
then you
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They continue to lie and continue to keep the blowhards and liars on the staff
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I'm sorry, but that is such a BS statement, explain to me where they have lied? I bet NONE of you have played the game in the past 6 months.
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Wwiiol isn’t new to us. Many have played and still play. What hardcase and zeroace do in making their "friendly information posts" is spew a bunch of lies about how great wwiiol is. But when folks call umm on issues they get defensive and lie by saying those issues don’t exist or say, "you are the only one".
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So, just because you don't like WW2OL means it must be a lie if somebody says it is great? Everybody is entitled to there own opinion, but come on now, your being a hypocrite when you say that.
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CRS just want's to cashflow ww20nline...nothing wrong with that.
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Come on, you can't honestly be serious? If all they cared about was the money, then they don't have much money to care about. The community is small, just like AH community.
And about complaining threads getting locked, yes they do, if they get to the point where there is alot of flaming (And that happens alot :|) but otherwise, CRS listens to our opinions and they know what needs to be fixed.
I don't hate you guys for making these horrible remarks about WW2OL & CRS, but I am dissapointed that such a mature group as yourselfs would bash a game you probably haven't played in a long time, and to make it worse, bash the community, which is full of nice, fun people. You guys really dissapoint me
You see you already replied to him
Then he says
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Originally posted by Dsty2001
I'm sorry, but that is such a BS statement, explain to me where they have lied? I bet NONE of you have played the game in the past 6 months.
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Wrong. Tried it 3 months ago. Came to the same conclusion I did 18 months ago:it's a POS. Try again.
Then you call him an *******.
So lie all ya want. Your a heck of a wwiiol ambassador. Not as good as hardcase or zeroace but keep trying you'll get there.
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thats why I mention killers reading ability as it says "VM EXTERNAL" clearly in neon green at the top of the image.
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Back to the original question:
What put me off WW2OL?
Well, it basically boils down to what interests me. I like WW2 airplanes. I prefer the PTO (Wildcats, Hellcats, Zekes, Hogs, TBMs, SBDs, Vals, Franks, Oscars, etc). While all of those planes may not be in AH, the bulk of them are. I have yet to see them in WW2OL. In addition, I prefer to fly instead of tank and play infantry dude.
Is WW2OL crap? Hell if I know. It was when I tried it way back when. I think the concept is great. If I could jump in what plane I want and fly around and ignore the guys playing soldier on the ground, I might consider playing it. It boils down to playing what you enjoy. I have more fun killing **** in my F6F than I do driving tanks and running around with a rifle (well, maybe that isn't entirely correct, I do like Rainbow 6 and its derivatives).
Basically, what Rude said also applies to me. AH offers what I enjoy more than WW2OL does.
Concerning the communites, I have no ill will towards the WW2OL community. I do think the bozos that came over here in the past are assclowns, but then I think the same about some of the people in AH.
Remember, everyone is an prettythanghole, it just depends on whether they are your kind of prettythanghole or not.
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The thing that put me off was the flying, the fanboy butt love expressed by Zerocase (I'm convinced Zero and hard are one and the same) was just enough to make me enjoy talking trash about that aborted half-compiled mess of code known as WWIIOl.
This is my reaction to WWIIOl: Oh wow, a battlefield with humans controlling everything. Oh wow, the flying sucks. Oh wow, I deleted it. Oh wow, I'll never touch it again until they figure out the flying aspect.
Its funny though, someone posts something about WWIIOl here - people come rushing over here to "change our opinions" (whats that about? Are you all retired Nazis and Communists looking for something to do in your spare time?) while they stay over in their private gated community talking all the smack in the world they want about other games with only WWIIOl subscribers able to say anything positive about each respective game.
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Tards.
-SW
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ok i clicked on the link to the wwiiol thread. Where is this sticky thread about bashing ww2ol on the AH ubb? that many are ranting about.
oh and killers screenshot of the canopy says internal. But it's odd how he got the pilots face, cause you only see the pilots face in external mode...something very fishy there.
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Hey guys, remember me?
Maybe not, I don't recognize the names.
Anyways back when Hardcase and Zeroace were doing their mayhem I guess, actually I think it was around that time. Anyway, someone had posted about a new free 7 day trial over here and got flamed right off the bat.
He posted about how he got flamed and linked the thread. I had heard about AH so I thought I would stop by to see what the hooplah was all about.
I will admit that hewas right. I believe it was Ring who posted the promo. He was getting flamed mercilessly on the very first reply and every reply there after. The because of the linked thread othe WWIIOLers came in and it became a slugfest with both sides just as guilty.
I stepped in and tried to be a voice of calm and reason. Some responded as gentlemen, others did not. Nothing against your community as I would expect the same in the WWIIOL boards. Both communities have tardlets in them.
Both communities are also fairly loyal to their game, community and development team. Nothing wrong with that at all. It is a problem when we act like cavemen fighting over a fresh kill though.
As for me, if you remember I was building a new computer. Well it is finished now. It is:
Koolance water-cooled case (black)
Antec True Blue 480w Power Supply
Asus A7N8X-DX MoBo
AMD Athlon XP3000+ Barton Core
Corsair TwinX1024 PC3200 RAM (2 x 512MB matched pair)
Seagate Barracudas (2 x 120GB SATA) in RAID 0
Plextor Plexwriter Premium CD-RW
ATI All-In-Wonder 9800 Pro
I said that I would try AH when I got it done. I still intend to. However I will wait till the Beta matures some before I waste my time.
I will say this though, if I had much in common with any of those posting here from AH, I probably wouldn't try AH. I was treated very rudely first time around and I don't feel I deserved any of it. I was simply unfortunate enough to walk into the middle of a pack of rabid dogs. I however only play games for one reason, to have fun. If I am having fun I will play the game. Period.
I for one agree 100% with Killer on this one, most people in a community don't spend much if any time in the forums. Too little time to spend on the computer and they don't feel like wasting it on the forums is my guess.
However the ones that do frequent the forums are sometimes a bit wacked in the head. Often they seem to base too much of their identity on the game itself. This is why gamers in genreal are looked upon as no life geeks in general by those who don't play games. That vocal minority gives us a bad rap in places other than online forums.
Another issue I would like to point out is I have enjoyed WWIIOL and hope I enjoy AH2 as much. As for you guys who have played and din't like it, I respect your opinion. WWIIOL isn't for everyone. I can also say that I enjoy WWIIOL alot more with my new computer. If you don't have a great computer I wouldn't recommend WWIIOL nor alot of other games.
My old slotA Athlon barely ran WWIIOL with all the graphics and options dumbed down. The new rig runs it fast with everything turned up to the max. Like a new game for me.
If you found it buggy and unplayable, I believe you. You have a valid complaint but I will also say that it isn't always the developers fault.
I found massive spyware on my computer and it took three anti-spyware programs to debug it. I also found that my BIOS was out of date. Lots of other stuff. When I cleaned it the game ran OK, not great. I also crashed to desktop alot or the game locked up sometimes. New rig, no probs.
I think alot of you here should check yourselves though because you act no different than those you accuse. The key is you are very abrasive in a way that you wouldn't be in person. Some people feel it is ok to be rude when they are online. Most of those guys are bunch of dweebs that would get their lights punched out if they acted that way in real life.
I guess my point is that I will try AH as I said I would inspite of the tards here, just as I stay with WWIIOl despite the tards there.
As for you, do whatever makes you happy and good luck, I don't wish ill-will on anyone.
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It's nothing personal vulcan (Jerry), but to me it seems like you cant include "WWIIOL" or any form of it in the topic of any post here or else all hell breaks loose.
and as for AKS\/\/ulfe...
I don't know about others, but as for your opinions, I couldn't care less. I do care about the basis for your opinions, like the two year old statements that arent true anymore or the plain BS that sprouts up.
Why?
because you scare off people in a WWII simming community who could've been perspective customers. People who could've enjoyed the experience if they tried. You think those of us that enjoy WWIIOL are all plain stupid or something? thats why we like it? No. WWIIOL 's never been w/o complaints... but believe it or not, some people like it, and some people may never know that they may like it too if they get scared off by threads which outline both true and false faults with the game, and try hard to discredit all the good parts of it.
this is someones livelihood here... CRS is comprised of human beings with families and bills to pay, and of all the obstacles they already have, they don't need other "rival" community members scaring off perspective buyers.
my posts have evidently gone WAY over peoples heads, so I'll sum in up in 12 words.
Don't even talk about WWIIOL anymore and there'll be no more problems.
Simple... it'll probably keep happening though, people enjoy these conflicts.
you know, we really do not say anything about Aces High in the WWIIOL Hangar forums unless something is started here... prove that wrong if you want to, because I could be wrong, but I got there quite frequently and wouldn't have said it for no reason.
you want me to simplify that last paragraph too? it basically says: "this crap always starts here"
and for further overall simplification... im not here to turn heads about WWIIOL... im here to make you guys just STFU about it because all you're doing is venting your anger and it hurts noone but WWIIOLs image.
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Deleted due to content...by myself.
Hows that?
Does that work for ya? Go away and stfu.
Workin on a lock and IN before it happens!
Ok, that was a bit over the top, but hey...I was immature then.
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I think I will join Killer and HT in the box seats and watch the different Taliban clans have their little war.
Like Killer said, it came up at a convention for sim developers how many in their communities were becomng retards who couldn't see beyonnd their own identity they had cereated in a game. On one hand they appreciated the money they paid but they also cringed at the idiocy and the 100% sure fire effect they ahd on chasing new clients away.
Well atleast I am comforted by the fact that WWIIOL and Delta Force Series communities (two I belong to) aren't teh only ones with a bevy of idiots.
See ya when I feel the beta is worth playing.
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Funny how the WW2OL guys are suddenly appearing here...as if calling for reinforcements....sigh
We dont play the game, this board has a big ole Aces High logo in the top left...why y'all keep beating a dead horse insisting we're playing the wrong game?
:rolleyes:
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Take off your blinders LePaul.
I don't want you to play WWIIOL, we have enough boneheads there, I am saying that I am going to try AH2 when it matures a little, despite those in the forums here like you.
I don't let the idiots in any forum keep me away from a game I may enjoy.
Like has been said before, when I get into the game I will discover the other 90% who aren't like you.
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I stopped reading around post 157..
SKUZZY!!!!!!!!!!!
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Excuse me Mr. Perfect, I forgot to put EVERY FREAKING THREAD IN ORDER SO YOU COULD FIGURE OUT 2+2
I do not respond to threads in order I see them, I respond to them in what catches my eye. I did not call him an ******* because he said WW2OL sucked, I called him an ******* cause he said I was a Fanboy just like Zeroace and Hardcase, when he does not even know me. Just like you
Nice try again, but your hatred is clogging your logical thinking. Maybe when you have a mental capacity of that higher than a 7 year old you will realise things better.
Sure I know you, you are a fanboi that can’t come to grips with the fact that everyone may not like your preferred "game".
Don’t try to lie to me about who said what because there’s a record of it in this thread. I agree with Diablo that you are exactly like hardcase and zeroace and if folks cant see it your first few posts then they can certainly see it in your last few replies.
I don’t hate any of you, I just don’t care about your stupid game and when you throw out a pile **** about how great it is you will get called on it. When you come here with this fake hypocritical need to point out the problems with the guys on this board and then do so by calling them names, cursing and generally acting like a fool, I will rub your nose it.
If you don’t like it don’t come back, but don’t cry about how emotional and misunderstood you are. Grow the hell up. It’s just a game.
It’s clear you are cut from the same cloth, as hardcase and zeroace just like the rest of wwiiol types in this thread.
Now run back to your wwiiol cave (forum) and tell umm how bad you were treated. Maybe one of them will hold your hand and help you get through it.
Imsneaky I dont think anyone remembers you or cares one way or another. Play AH and have fun or dont. If you just wanted to get in the thread before it was locked there was no need for the wall text. Simply typing "in" would have done it.
AH2 has a ways to go yet . It will thrive or fail on its own merits just like wwiiol will. Theres no need for the fanbois to sell either one.
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I didn't bother to read what you said LtReiben, but it sure looked nice. All broken up into mini-paragraphs and what appear to be sentences, but could possibly be drivel with punctuation.
In the end, the only thing that is true is that no one hurts "WWIIOl's image" but WWIIOl. The term "It sucks donkey balls" applies quite nicely to WWIIOl, but that only scratches the surface.
-SW
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Wow.
The WWIIOL armies have arrived. Undoubtedly to fill time while they wait around for something fun to happen in-game.
Seriously though... don't you guys understand? THIS is a competitor's BBS. It isn't filled with CRS hero-worshippers. Bad things about CRS will be said from time-to-time. You won't change the mind of most people here one way or another, and the more you try, the worse it gets. Let it go.
I swear, it's like Hercules cut off the head of the Hardcase Hydra and seven more sprouted up in its place...
Don't worry, Killer knows you guys are loyal. But FWIW, I just heard there was a guy on the Suzuki BBS badmouthing CRS's. Better hustle over there and tell them how they lost a potential customer. That'll set 'im straight.
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OK GUYS LISTEN UP...
THIS THREAD IS FINISHED.
PEACE HAS BEEN DECLARED.
I have unleashed the ultimate weapon....
http://discussions.playnet.com/viewtopic.php?t=6077&start=50
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I hate you Vulcan! I will reply when more blood in head.
-SW
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Hehehe Vulcan, nice pics :aok !
I got metioned in a thread! I'm a star, a bright shining star!
(http://w1.1396.telia.com/~u139602049/markymk4i1.jpg)
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thank god no one every thinks to replace the file name with boobies.
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Vulcan wins! Vulcan WINS! VULCAN WINS!!!!
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Originally posted by Vulcan
thank god no one every thinks to replace the file name with boobies.
:aok
thanks bro!
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LePaul,
Might have something to do with how the "AH people" acts, which doesn't seem to be any better acting, in fact alot of these "AH People" acts worse than the ones you say are coming over to this thread from WWIIOL.
Think of it a bit.
the "AH People" are saying WWIIOL sucks, nobody should play it, its pile of crap.. yaddayaddayadda etc. insults towards WWIIOL community.
Those who you say are coming to this thread from WWIIOL, aren't even telling you to play the game or restrict yourself from playing AH.
Whos actually worse side now?
..and don't even bother telling me anything, I haven't played WWIIOL since april.
This is an observation in common sense.
I simply cannot understand the hostile nature of some people... it's just a matter of games behind the hostility, is that smart acting, really?!
AKSWulfe,
Zeroace and Hardcase are not the same person as far as I know.
Zeroace is a whole different person and hes nothing but an annoyance in general - at least if it's the same person who was around before WWIIOL, at least sounds pretty much like the same and one zeroace.
Kieran,
Funny how I don't see exagerated bashing of another competitors games which gets mentioned here.
Besides I don't understand why the COMMUNITY should be competiting with each other?
This goes in general, among all the games, not just AH vs. WWIIOL.
I don't understand why there should be hostility between the communities of different games, especially when some of the people can be playing in the other communities as well.
It simply does not go through me why all this hostility.
You cannot say it's all due to so called WWIIOL 'fanbois', when the bashing began long before these.
It doesn't make it any easier when there are other games mentioned here as well, which doesn't get bashing..
What are you trying to prove with the hostility towards other?
and yet again, I'm not talking for the behalf or benefit of WWIIOL, but wondering in general why all this TOTALLY UNNEEDED BULLS***.
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Originally posted by Vulcan
thank god no one every thinks to replace the file name with boobies.
:eek:
:aok
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My sincere thanks to the WW2OL posters in the memorial thread to SD of Shillelagh on their board.
Sorry to put this in Vulcan's troll thread, but I figured this is cross-posted over there.
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Tried it twice so far. Reminds me of the photo slideshow little cam I had when I was a kid.
I will ry it again when the promissed Uboots will be there.
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WWIIOnline is a waste of time and money. The players and developers are abusive and rude, not to mention they can't even properly identify an Fw-190G after a two page long thread, not even the self proclaimed master of the Fw-190, docdoom himself. They don't know what they are doing. They never did. They simply ban you or lash out with abusive behaviour towards anyone who questions them. PS, you WWIIOnline jerk-off's can shove your ignorant rhetoric, no one cares but you. I will be having fun, REAL FUN, while you get to buzz around for an hour looking for one fight to get into. LOL :cool:
Have a nice day, WWIIOnline suckers:)
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Vulkan, Gadfly, Animal and some select others, S! to you!!!
you guys truely seem to understand that the flight-sim community as a whole should stick together and not judge other games by the inane ramblings of some few select idiots.
If you guys are ever in the DFW area (namely between CRS headquarters in Bedford and HTC headquarters in Grapevine [all of about 5 miles apart]) give me a holler and we'll get together for a drink.
Thoes of you who would perpetuate the rivalry between the WWIIOL community and the AH community can KMA. No drinks for you.
Oh, and BTW, the "go out for drinks" thing extends to any sim-ers/wwii nuts living in the Mid-Cities area, as long as they aren't closed minded dinks.
[edit] btw, I couldn't manage to get half way through this thread as it has seemed to degressed into nothing more than personal attacks and flames.
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Originally posted by docdoofus
WWIIOnline is a waste of time and money. The players and developers are abusive and rude, not to mention they can't even properly identify an Fw-190G after a two page long thread, not even the self proclaimed master of the Fw-190, docdoom himself. They don't know what they are doing. They never did. They simply ban you or lash out with abusive behaviour towards anyone who questions them. PS, you WWIIOnline jerk-off's can shove your ignorant rhetoric, no one cares but you. I will be having fun, REAL FUN, while you get to buzz around for an hour looking for one fight to get into. LOL :cool:
Have a nice day, WWIIOnline suckers:)
Was pretty amazed by the 190G thread :rofl
Tried to post but remembered I'm no more a subscriber ...
In case you wonder why :
- no typhoon ,A8 ,D9
- ground warfare is not my kind of game
- the thing didn't evolved fast enought for my taste
- the thing didn't evolved fast enought for my taste
- the thing didn't evolved fast enought for my taste
- the thing didn't evolved fast enought for my taste
Waiting 2 years for the D520 and still no Ms406 is plain wrong ... and I don't speak of the french bomber (or the lack of thereof ...)
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The Hype.
They really could have told the non beta "player base" (or forum base if you want) what was shipping in the first release...
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Admit it, you WWIIOLers don't give a rat's bellybutton about why people here don't like you or your game. You are just here to get some geekish trolling thrills.
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Fishu
Seriously though... don't you guys understand? THIS is a competitor's BBS. It isn't filled with CRS hero-worshippers. Bad things about CRS will be said from time-to-time. You won't change the mind of most people here one way or another, and the more you try, the worse it gets. Let it go.
There are only so many words in english.
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Heads up. Personal attacks are intolerable. We do not care what the topic is about. There are so many things wrong in this thread it is rediculious.
Too many people do not know the difference between a discussion and a flame war.