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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: brady on October 15, 2003, 08:35:59 PM
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Resche, and the Set up development groupe he heads has come up with what looks to be a nice divershion from our normal fair in the CT. In the Late 60's El-Salvador and Hondurious had a bit of a spat and they Felded most of the planes show below in a short war with one another, some planes have been added for playabality (B26 for example). This set allows us to use planes withought any restrictions being placed on them in a new and uniuque match up.
P51D,F4U-1D,A20G,B26,C47...All GV's except Tiger.
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P47D-30,F4U-4,Mossie,B26,C47...All GV's except Tiger.
No Fleats will be enabled, the Map will be Perdonia, areana seting will be listed in the MOTD.
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YUCK. Your kidding right? Both countrys put together had what 12 aircraft total?
Nothing personal Brady, but if thats an interesting diversion. Then somebody farting on your dinner plate is the newest craze sweeping the nation.:eek:
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In my honest opinion, it gets this... something different, something new that we haven't seen before. :aok
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In all truthfulness , it will be fun to fly some planes I never get a chance to Brady. Plus it'll be HAWG HEAVEN for the F4U crowd.
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Originally posted by Löwe
YUCK. Your kidding right? Both countrys put together had what 12 aircraft total?
Nothing personal Brady, but if thats an interesting diversion. Then somebody farting on your dinner plate is the newest craze sweeping the nation.:eek:
What?! So you don't like a CT setup where the players can outnumber the actual number of combatants that fought the war in real life or that will last longer than the conflict lasted in real life? Eh .... call it "Alternate Reality" (which is really what each and every setup in the Ct is anyhow). :D
An alternate reality where the OAS didn't exist to end South American wars. An alternate reality where Honduras and El Salvador managed to buy every WWII and Korean War surplus prop plane the Americans had lying around. An alternate reality where countries pissed off at each other over a soccer match (err ... and a few other things) just hopped in their Hogs and Stangs and shot the crap outa each other (well .... ok ... that part ain't so alternate ... except in the scope ... BlOoD oN tHe TrEeS .. bLoOd On ThE SoCcEr BaLL!).
Yeah .... I'd call that a diversion .... a diversion away from anal nitpicking the hell outa this or that historical setup and just having fun .... with a Latin accent. :D
GOAL! GOAL! GOAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*edit* Oh ... damn ... I see you agree. :p
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Originally posted by Löwe
In all truthfulness , it will be fun to fly some planes I never get a chance to Brady. Plus it'll be HAWG HEAVEN for the F4U crowd.
To some degree. What most here don't seem to pick up on is that I like to "roleplay" my squadron persona (hmmm ... not terribly unlike the proposed TOD, eh?). So while I think this Honduran-El Salvadorian Hawg-Pony soccer match can be some loose fun ... it won't actually feed the Jolly Rogers over the Pacific hunger in me. I can live with the N1Ks being more numerous that they were in real life .... but I just can't get into the former members of VF-17 in their mid-forties and retired from the Navy buying up some Corsairs in `69 then selling their services to the highest bidder between El Salvador and Honduras thing.
(Thinks)
Hmmmm .... wait a sec .... :D
I'll be there .. having fun .... as usual. ;)
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Allied Vs Allied?
I appreciate the effort for creativity, but this one does not sound good.
Might be a good match, good fights.
But not immersive.
eskimo
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Originally posted by eskimo2
Allied Vs Allied?
I appreciate the effort for creativity, but this one does not sound good.
Might be a good match, good fights.
But not immersive.
eskimo
Hehe ... I liked Lowe's objections better. Allied vs. Allied? You're serious? LOL
No .. it's El Salvador vs. Honduras. They weren't WWII "Allies" in 1969. If you think about it, this is probably more immersive than the upcoming "Kadesh" scenario will be.
It's the Hawg-Pony soccer match with blood on the field! It's "Death-Derby 1969" with a Latin beat! :D
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Originally posted by Arlo
Hehe ... I liked Lowe's objections better. Allied vs. Allied? You're serious? LOL
No .. it's El Salvador vs. Honduras. They weren't WWII "Allies" in 1969. If you think about it, this is probably more immersive than the upcoming "Kadesh" scenario will be.
Planes reskinned for this? Or did these two countries fly in U.S. colors/markings?
Nice effort, bradys. But I'll have to take a pass. Have fun, catch ya next week.
Splash1
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So you're saying if Reschke and Brady had hammered out a Honduran terrain and some Honduran and El Salvadorian skins it would have made all the difference to you and you'd be ready to eat this up with a spoon? Somehow I don't believe you. :)
Wusses all yas. I fly "other people's sandboxes" all the damned time. This one is no different other than ... well hell ... it's different. Sure ... I'd rather see Corsairs in the Pacific flying against enemy planes sporting meatballs ... but hey ... how often do I get that (without all sorts of limits, restrictions and crud for "balance")? I fly all the sets. I see how ya'll are. :D
*ShruG*
But hey ... to each their own.
Bring it on! :p
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Heh! (Arlo throws hands up in disgust and indifference at all the close-minded selfishness exhibited)
Fine ... fine ... be that way.
If there's only a dozen of us flying ... that'll be more immersive. And if Brady pulls the plug on it at the 100 hour mark ... that'll be more immersive too. :D
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I am beginning to think the CTer's are getting a litttttttttle too picky on the setups. I guess late ETO forever is the only thing what will make most peeps happy. This griping on every CT set is getting really old peeps.
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Originally posted by Arlo
Hehe ... I liked Lowe's objections better. Allied vs. Allied? You're serious? LOL
No .. it's El Salvador vs. Honduras. They weren't WWII "Allies" in 1969. If you think about it, this is probably more immersive than the upcoming "Kadesh" scenario will be.
It's the Hawg-Pony soccer match with blood on the field! It's "Death-Derby 1969" with a Latin beat! :D
I don't know this battle.
I'll be in a well known WWII US fighter, fighting against other well known WWII US fighters.
I think our plane set could be stretched to Korea... But I see them as WWII US fighters (and a Mossie).
It just has a bit too much MA flavoring for me.
eskimo
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MA flavoring? Just because some skins and the precise S. American terrain hasn't been whipped up yet?
No ... wait .... never mind. I done threw up my hands. And nobody should be forced to fly what they don't like. I hear ya. Catch ya on the flip-flop.
(but If I waited for just the ones that appealed to me .... ) ;)
ok ...ok ... I'm done ... no really. :D
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Originally posted by Arlo
To some degree. What most here don't seem to pick up on is that I like to "roleplay" my squadron persona (hmmm ... not terribly unlike the proposed TOD, eh?). So while I think this Honduran-El Salvadorian Hawg-Pony soccer match can be some loose fun ... it won't actually feed the Jolly Rogers over the Pacific hunger in me. I can live with the N1Ks being more numerous that they were in real life .... but I just can't get into the former members of VF-17 in their mid-forties and retired from the Navy buying up some Corsairs in `69 then selling their services to the highest bidder between El Salvador and Honduras thing.
( ;)
So what your saying is...................... You like the role play aspect of your squadron in the correct theater of war, against the correct enemy. However if somebody else wants it, it's anal nitpicking?:confused:
By the way Arlo, your not the only one that plays in other peoples sand boxes. JG-3 has always strapped on the the meatball planes for every slap the jap week. Theres also a lot of us in JG-3 that have held up the bring the F4U banner in PTO's.
Not to mention VF-27 and 880 FAA , both of these squadrons have dropped what they were doing on their squad nights when their aircraft were available to help out the other side when the numbers were way out of whack.
Sheesh come up for air, you havent been playing with a sick skunk, or bat ,or something have you?:p
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Originally posted by Löwe
So what your saying is...................... You like the role play aspect of your squadron in the correct theater of war, against the correct enemy. However if somebody else wants it, it's anal nitpicking?:confused:
Noooooooo .... what I clearly stated is that I, too, have my preference. An admittedly exacting preference, at that. But when some setup doesn't match up with my preference (and, to date, not one really has) then I'll play what's there for the mere sake of supporting the CT. It's akin to "I scratch your back ... you stab mine." (Not aimed at you or JG3 ... just life in the CT in general) ;)
But hey ... I done threw up my hands ... if you wanna protest this setup still, have at it. :D
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Originally posted by Arlo
It's akin to "I scratch your back ... you stab mine." (Not aimed at you or JG3 ... just life in the CT in general) ;)
Well your going to have to wait a minute, my knife is still in Bradys back.;)
I have never enjoyed one of these post WWII setups, so yeah my first reaction was just YUCK. Then I thought wait a minute........... You love P-51s, you love P-47s, you love F4U's.......... Damn Lowe this will be great you get to fly em this setup not just fight against em. Theres no Axis side to beef up, just go fly for whatever side ya want. I'm actually looking forward to it.:aok
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Amen, Lowe! That's exactly what caught my attention! It truly IS a diversion. None of the all too common "you axis this" or "you allied that" bickering ... (yeah ... who's the bad guy in this set? - lol).
I'd fly it if the set had 190s, Yaks and Zekes (if that's what the Hondurans and El Salvadorians had at their disposal).
It's certainly historical. Just not on a grand scale. Like I said, we'll easily fly more planes (and kill more) than happened in real life in the Soccer War. And yes ... it'd be nice if the terrain was South America and the skins were authentic (not an impossible task, I suppose ... from the pov of a player who has still to make his TE proggie behave).
I like it ... it's a break from the norm. I'll be hopping back and forth like a kangaroo with two wives to keep numbers even in this one.
A whole week (maybe) of being just a mercenary in South America. ;) :aok
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Seems like an interesting way to get the Hog boys some action.
For those who are skeptical:
http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_156.shtml
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LOL! Karnie! You prize! I'd been looking things up but this site gives me an even better in-site!
Reading the very first paragraph made for some sincere amusement.
"At the beginning of 1968, the „Fuerza Aerea Salvadoreña“ had only 34 qualified pilots, but seven of them were assigned to the TACA airline, two others to crop dusting duties (for which the FAS collected) and a further two, assigned to regular flights with the DC-4M-1 (FAS 300, acquired in 1967), flights in which lobster loads were flown to the city of Miami."
I can see the squad channel jokes now.
"Screw this mission up and it's back to ferrying lobsters for you!"
:D
Just makes me wanna play this even more for some reason.
I think this could be a pretty fun movie with the right creative scripting.
:aok
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Hey, this ought to be fun, and maybe even refreshing. I just do not know which soccer uniform to wear though! Which ones have the Iron Cross on them!
Hey Karnak, How are things on Sir Francis Drake Blvd.
Lived in San Rafael as a kid and went to James B. Davidson Jr High, as well as old Laurel Dell. Dang, that was back when dinosaurs ruled the earth, lol.
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Add the C-Hog.
also didn't the hondurans also field some F8F-1's ?
I thought the Bearcat only saw combat with the French? Brady?
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Sweet! B26s on both sides. :D
I can be happy with whichever side has the low numbers.
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Congratulations, this is easily the most ridiculous setup I've seen in the CT to date. :rolleyes:
TOD can't get here soon enough.
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Originally posted by Arlo
So you're saying if Reschke and Brady had hammered out a Honduran terrain and some Honduran and El Salvadorian skins it would have made all the difference to you and you'd be ready to eat this up with a spoon? Somehow I don't believe you.
Negative. I didn't say that at all.
To eskimo's "Allied vs. allied?" compaint, you responded, "You're serious? LOL No .. it's El Salvador vs. Honduras. They weren't WWII "Allies" in 1969. If you think about it, this is probably more immersive than the upcoming "Kadesh" scenario will be."
Unless the planes are reskined, then the scenerio is allied vs allied, for all practical purposes. Of course I know they will not be reskinned for this map. I've been around the CT long enough to know how maps work. I am too ill-informed on the "SoccerWar" to know if the countries re-painted their planes or flew with the U.S. markings intact. I suspect it was the former, not the latter ... but frankly, I don't give a fig about that particular moment in history.
It's a close call whether this is any more 'immersive' than Kadesh. Although most planes are a sub for something else in that setup, I believe at least the planes are reskinned.
And yes, I do get close enough to see the markings.
Have fun.
Talk amongst yourselves.
I'm outa town hunting Yankees for a few. (Not the pinstriped variety).
;)
Splash1
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Awesome setup. In the future we need skins though - like a green camo corsair.. :)
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should bring in plenty of MA tards :rolleyes: :confused:
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Cool site there Karnak
Looks like a good set up,would love the planes to be skinned correctly,and use the Mandaino map just not the west country,as I recall it is pretty mountianous down there.
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Originally posted by Eagler
should bring in plenty of MA tards :rolleyes: :confused:
Eagler predicts great success of "Soccer Wars" setup. News at 11.
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Originally posted by Skyfoxx
Congratulations, this is easily the most ridiculous setup I've seen in the CT to date. :rolleyes:
TOD can't get here soon enough.
I'm sure all of your setup ideas make this one pale in comparison but I've managed to miss them. What new setups have you researched and suggested?
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Thanks for the comments both positive and negative in this thread. For the future I am planning on building a map and skins that are representative of both countries when the Terrain Editor for AH2 gets released. I brought this one up to the PACDEVGRU (Pacific Development Group -Combat Theater) strictly for some change and because the aircraft we have available fit it nicely for both sides. It was discussed and all thought it would at the least be a very interesting side bar to normal WW2 based setups. Especially since it is the last known combat between WW2 aircraft.
As for the aircraft represented on both sides. The biggest difference I noticed was one country flew the P-51D as their main aircraft while the other flew the F4U-4 as their main aircraft. Yes there were cannon armed aircraft on both sides but they were not a large portion of either countries air power from what I could gather in my searching.
Neither side had a large airforce and for that reason alone with the smaller numbers in the CT it should be a realtively easy setup.
Again thanks for the comments both positive and negative.
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Originally posted by storch
good idea !! no spittards.
Right! I'm ready for any setup that lacks post-1940 spits. I'll even fly a corsairpig if necessary. Bring them on!
- oldman
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Originally posted by Arlo
I'm sure all of your setup ideas make this one pale in comparison but I've managed to miss them. What new setups have you researched and suggested?
Researched? Plenty but that's besides the point. What's wrong with the numerous 1939-1945 setups we have.
Nobody is forcing you to agree with me anyway. Just my opinion, that it's a lame setup especially considering AH is marketed as a WWII sim. You are entitled to your opinion.
Hey how about Vietnam next?:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Skyfoxx
Researched? Plenty but that's besides the point. What's wrong with the numerous 1939-1945 setups we have.
Nobody is forcing you to agree with me anyway. Just my opinion, that it's a lame setup especially considering AH is marketed as a WWII sim. You are entitled to your opinion.
Hey how about Vietnam next?:rolleyes:
1: The "All the setups we have now are fine so why develop others?" stance. Surely you jest. There will be others researched and developed. You claim to be researching yourself. Why? :rolleyes:
2: The "Nobody's forcing you to agree." stance. Well, derrrrrrr. And I don't. Commenting on how this untried setup "is the most ridiculous setup ever" simply because it doesn't appeal to you and you sure as hell won't try it ..... nor, apparently, offer something else different, in lieu, pretty much invites a smackdown. :rolleyes:
3: The "Aces High is a WWII sim so anyone developing a setup that doesn't fall within 1939-1945 is pushing something that won't appeal to the majority of the customer base" stance. Gee .... the CT not appealing to the majority of the customer base. What's new? And now this won't appeal to you, either. You're just gonna take your ball and play somewhere else. Well hell ... sure you have the right to do that. And making a pissy comment over your shoulder is your right, too I guess. And responding in kind is my right too, I guess. Or maybe it's a combination punch. :D
4: The "How about Vietnam next?" stance. How about the Spanish Civil War? I'd love to see that. But, alas ... the planeset won't allow for it. But look! Wow! Who knew that WWII planes were still dogfighting in South America .... during the Vietnam era?! Hey, wouldya look at that! We got most of the planes modeled already! Go figure. Heh ... kudos to Reschke for researching and pitching this one. :aok
I'm looking forward to you doing the same with your research that's unneccesary since we already have more than enough WWII setups in CT to satisfy all tastes and to offer something unique and refreshing on a regular basis. And when it isn't brought to the attention of the CT staff and it isn't posted here and it isn't flown ... I'll still be here to give it an actual try before I bother pissing or moaning about it. Unless I'm on vacation .... then I'm sure other's will gladly give it a shot. Of course ... I'm sure there'll be a few that'll complain about it out of hand that won't fly in it ... but hey ... we both know what their opinion's worth, don't we? :D
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Originally posted by Skyfoxx
Researched? Plenty but that's besides the point. What's wrong with the numerous 1939-1945 setups we have.
Nobody is forcing you to agree with me anyway. Just my opinion, that it's a lame setup especially considering AH is marketed as a WWII sim. You are entitled to your opinion.
Hey how about Vietnam next?:rolleyes:
There wasn't anything wrong with the "numerous 1939-1945 setups" other than we don't have a completely fleshed out aircraft list to handle them all without making substitutions that everyone will fuss about. That is why this setup was brought to the front in my mind. It was limited historically in scope and length as well as types of aircraft but we have each aircraft involved modeled here. The Mosquito wasn't a part of the actual war (to my knowledge from researching the Soccer War) but Brady and I thought it would be nice to have a different twin engine in the mix.
I spent a good deal of time over the last few weeks not flying so I could come up with a couple of different setup ideas. Then I pitched it out to a group that Sakai and I started putting together a few weeks ago called the Pacific Development Group - Combat Theater (PACDEVGRU for short). I spoke one on one with a few other AH players to see what their interest might be in something that wasn't a 1939-1945 setup and it was a fairly well received idea considering we don't have a terrain or set of skins.
The idea for this one was one of 2-3 that I sent out for comment on by the PACDEVGRU (that includes some CT staffers). Again the comments were received from several people and most of the guys thought it would be a interesting diversion. Then Brady took the idea for the setup with my input to the CT staff and it was launched from there.
One of my favorite time frames in the war has always been the time from early 1940 - late 1941 but it just wasn't really doable with the current aircraft set. So that brought the idea off the table for me.
As for a Viet Nam setup...well I checked that out as well and there just wasn't enough of the planeset in it to get it ready in time. Maybe when we have a some single engine jet aircraft I will be able to whip up a terrain and skin set to make it happen. I mean they did fly the P-51 once in the theater on photo reconnaisance I believe as well as post WW2 A-1 SkyRaiders. Those were prop planes as well so we might be able to skin the 190A-8 to make it work. :rolleyes:
As for now I am just helping when I can on a project called Target: Hanoi using the Targetware engine. Maybe we will have a skin set finished soon so we can join in the open beta time.
At any rate thanks for your comments Skyfoxx. I appreciate them and will enjoy flying something different in the CT for now.
:aok
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Originally posted by Skyfoxx
Hey how about Vietnam next?:rolleyes:
yah!!
the pd7d30 can represent the a1-h skyraider, the niki can represent numerous helicopters. osti's can be sams. 190g10's or me163's can be mig's, the c-hog can be the f4's, mossie can be a6 intruders. me262 can be the f16's or whatever.
lvt's as m13's (??) the zippos.
put back the cluttersheep as water buffalos.
it'd doable!!
:aok
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i didn't bother to read all of the replies to the original post because i scrolled down several and didn't see any "hooked" type replies...which makes me ask (regarding the original post) YOU'VE GOT TO BE squealing JOKING?! RIGHT?! :mad:
if this is the kinda stuff the ct is going to resort to, why not have a squealing hatfield vs. mccoy setup as suggested a few months ago when this whole "let's try something different" crap happened last time.
i don't fly the ma. i strictly fly the ct. it's a wwII sim. if i wanted something different, i'd go somewhere else....if this is real, and this kinda crap keeps happening, i'll take my 15 beans a month elsewhere.
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Originally posted by Arlo
1: The "All the setups we have now are fine so why develop others?" stance. Surely you jest. There will be others researched and developed. You claim to be researching yourself. Why?
Where did I say this? :confused:
Of course more setups are better, where we disagree at is the era. As far as the research goes Arlo, yes I do research for snapshots and for my own satisfaction. I hope that is ok with you.
Originally posted by Arlo
2: The "Nobody's forcing you to agree." stance. Well, derrrrrrr. And I don't. Commenting on how this untried setup "is the most ridiculous setup ever" simply because it doesn't appeal to you and you sure as hell won't try it ..... nor, apparently, offer something else different, in lieu, pretty much invites a smackdown.
Again, where did I say I wouldn't try it? :confused:
But you are I probably right, so what, it won't be the first time.
And don't go getting all high and mighty. You've done your share of complaining here,(much of it warranted I might add), so don't think you have the market cornered.
Originally posted by Arlo
3: The "Aces High is a WWII sim so anyone developing a setup that doesn't fall within 1939-1945 is pushing something that won't appeal to the majority of the customer base" stance.
Yes I'm sure that you are right, I guess that's why it's taking so long to get the roster filled for the current post ww2 scenario thats about to start.
Originally posted by Arlo
You're just gonna take your ball and play somewhere else. Well hell ... sure you have the right to do that. And making a pissy comment over your shoulder is your right, too I guess. And responding in kind is my right too, I guess. Or maybe it's a combination punch. :D
Uh gee, I didn't realize I was taking my ball home. :confused:
Ok, relax big boy, put your spurs away, I'm not gonna get in a p*ssing contest with you over it. :D
Originally posted by Arlo
4: The "How about Vietnam next?" stance. How about the Spanish Civil War? I'd love to see that. But, alas ... the planeset won't allow for it.
What, you mean the lack of a KI84 is holding that up to? ;)
Originally posted by Arlo
I'm looking forward to you doing the same with your research that's unneccesary since we already have more than enough WWII setups in CT
Once again, where did I say this?
Originally posted by Arlo And when it isn't brought to the attention of the CT staff and it isn't posted here and it isn't flown ... I'll still be here to give it an actual try before I bother pissing or moaning about it.
:D
Arlo I have no doubt that you will be here humping someone's leg over something. :p
While I usually agree with most of what you say on the boards Arlo, we simply disagree on this point. No biggie, and I know you want to fly your Hog, so have fun with it next week. Let's simply agree to disagree and move on.
And to Reschke, no dis-respect intended, didn't mean to slam your efforts, I just simply disagree is all.
And please see to it that Arlo get's his meds, he seems to be wound a little tighter than normal. I fear he has been hanging with the wrong crowd again. :)
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Originally posted by Tuck
i didn't bother to read all of the replies to the original post because i scrolled down several and didn't see any "hooked" type replies...which makes me ask (regarding the original post) YOU'VE GOT TO BE squealing JOKING?! RIGHT?! :mad:
if this is the kinda stuff the ct is going to resort to, why not have a squealing hatfield vs. mccoy setup as suggested a few months ago when this whole "let's try something different" crap happened last time.
i don't fly the ma. i strictly fly the ct. it's a wwII sim. if i wanted something different, i'd go somewhere else....if this is real, and this kinda crap keeps happening, i'll take my 15 beans a month elsewhere.
:(
:rofl I give it a 4 :aok
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Originally posted by Skyfoxx
Where did I say this?
Again, where did I say I wouldn't try it? :
Uh gee, I didn't realize I was taking my ball home.
What, you mean the lack of a KI84 is holding that up to? ;)
Once again, where did I say this?
Let's simply agree to disagree and move on.
And to Reschke, no dis-respect intended (easily most ridiculous), didn't mean to slam your efforts (easily most ridiculous), I just simply disagree is all.
And please see to it that Arlo get's his meds, he seems to be wound a little tighter than normal. I fear he has been hanging with the wrong crowd again. (Easily most ridiculous):)
:lol 5 or so :aok
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Add the C-Hog
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Arlo is supposed to be in the brig drying out. I guess someone gave the bum access to the computer while he was going through the DT's or something.
As for the setup its as I stated above. I offered this suggestion up to a group of people that is representative of nearly every type of taste that flies in the CT. There were objections but not one person thought it wouldn't be an interesting setup that would take us out of the substitution phase that I have seen the CT fall into recently. I admit there is one substitution but its only there for gameplay and thats the Mossie.
Thanks again for your comments and most of all if you don't have the willingness to fly this setup then don't. Although I hope some of you actually do try to fly it. The critics are what make us improve on the setups and since this is my first one I would appreciate constructive criticism but if you can't be constructive then so be it. :aok
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Admit it Arlo. You have been assimilated by brady, haven't you? :D
Before you get all pissy, that was only a joke.:aok
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Although I respect the efforts to find a new and exciting setup
. I just wanted to add that my opinion is I very much prefer the quasi-historical WWII setups.(I say quasi only to acknowledge the planeset limitations) I only speak that opinion to provide feedback to the CT staffers, not to trash their ideas. I may fly a few times this week, I may not. The set-up won't keep me out of the CT but it surely will not draw me in.
Just picked up Forgotten Battle though, so I have a diversion for a week:)
Speaking of setup ideas, have you every tried going the other way and having less planes instead of trying to fit in more planes? Have set-ups that highlight the action between two reknown air units for example. The 56th FG versus JG26 for a rough example, allow only the fighter planes of each unit with maybe a couple support planes as background(for escort missions etc..), turn off base capture and then at the end of the week post an AAR on how each side faired??
Just an idea so that wingnut Arlo doesn't spill his fruit loops.
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Bad news guys, Major Soto's Hogg #609 that he got his 3 kills in is just as Blue as the Navy & Marine versions we fly in here. :( Only difference is the blue/white/blue wing and tail stripes. This should be an easy one to skin. But some of the Salvadorian Hoggs were in camo schemes.
There are some killer camo schemes for the P-51's with snake and GV type patterns of greens and browns over grey. Many of the P-51's were Private Cavalier Mustangs that had been rebuilt for civilian use that were taken over by the military, armed and had national markings hastily applied and that is how they flew into combat - still in their civilian colors.
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Originally posted by Jester
There are some killer camo schemes for the P-51's though.
Post em Andi, I for one would love to see them.
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Originally posted by Arlo
I'm sure all of your setup ideas make this one pale in comparison but I've managed to miss them. What new setups have you researched and suggested?
well, as we're going for totally obscure and non-wwII related set-ups, how about any of the following:
seseme street vs. the electric company
the transformers vs. voltron
godzilla vs. mothra
the muppets vs. the muppet babies
scooby vs. scrappy
ren & stimpy vs. duckman
hatfields vs. mccoys (previously suggested)
he-man vs. thundar
young skinny elvi vs. old fat elvi
you can easily insert any aircraft type into any of the above suggested set-ups, as they'd all be ma-ish, much like this set-up promises to be.
:mad:
honestly, i mean no disrespect to anyone who volunteers their time in an effort to create a game for other's to enjoy, but for crying out loud...let's keep focused on the time period the game was meant for. if not, let's go ahead and do a setup with a star trek vs. battlestar gallatica theme. Jesus H. people!
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Godzilla vs Mothra would only work if it was Mecha-Godzilla. Mothra can fly where Godzilla can't, so Mecha-Godzilla has the rockets to counter that, besides Godzillas breath weapon is undermodelled, and hes is 50mph slower...
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Originally posted by TheBug
Although I respect the efforts to find a new and exciting setup. I just wanted to add that my opinion is I very much prefer the quasi-historical WWII setups.(I say quasi only to acknowledge the planeset limitations) I only speak that opinion to provide feedback to the CT staffers, not to trash their ideas. I may fly a few times this week, I may not. The set-up won't keep me out of the CT but it surely will not draw me in.
Just picked up Forgotten Battle though, so I have a diversion for a week:)
Speaking of setup ideas, have you every tried going the other way and having less planes instead of trying to fit in more planes? Have set-ups that highlight the action between two reknown air units for example. The 56th FG versus JG26 for a rough example, allow only the fighter planes of each unit with maybe a couple support planes as background(for escort missions etc..), turn off base capture and then at the end of the week post an AAR on how each side faired??
Just an idea so that wingnut Arlo doesn't spill his fruit loops.
Great Idea Thebug
This would be a great idea to follow up on. With some research , I'll bet there are other great maychups , that could be fielded with the plane set. Including VMF-214 vs 6th Air Fleet , The early Rodeo's ran by the RAF into France. So on and so on.
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Originally posted by Tuck
well, as we're going for totally obscure and non-wwII related set-ups, how about any of the following:
seseme street vs. the electric company
the transformers vs. voltron
godzilla vs. mothra
the muppets vs. the muppet babies
scooby vs. scrappy
ren & stimpy vs. duckman
hatfields vs. mccoys (previously suggested)
he-man vs. thundar
young skinny elvi vs. old fat elvi
you can easily insert any aircraft type into any of the above suggested set-ups, as they'd all be ma-ish, much like this set-up promises to be.
:mad:
honestly, i mean no disrespect to anyone who volunteers their time in an effort to create a game for other's to enjoy, but for crying out loud...let's keep focused on the time period the game was meant for. if not, let's go ahead and do a setup with a star trek vs. battlestar gallatica theme. Jesus H. people!
I don't know which is funnier in this post ... Tuck's apparent inability to distinguish between an actual historical setup (albiet outside the 1939-1945 timeframe) or his apparent taste in entertainment outside AH. :D
Amusing :lol but only a 2 this time. Needs some real meat to it. ;)
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Originally posted by storch
Well Reschke, since the top gun gun for honduras flew a 20mm type hog, obviously more than just a passing presence, since nowhere do i see the jug even mentioned in the engagements reports why i just thought well put the CHog in already, but that's just me. I'm liking the MA more and more each day BTW.
I found a source in my initial research which listed the P-47 as an aircraft that was in the inventory of Honduras during the soccer war. But now have another source which shows Honduras as never having the P-47 in their inventory.
Honduras Air Force (FAH) (http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/waf/americas/honduras/Honduras-af-home.htm)
So without having definitive evidence to show that one side had it I will shoot Brady an email to pull the P-47 out of the setup. As for the reference to the 20mm F4U that is the only evidence that shows they had 1. I have not found any reference to the numbers of cannon armed F4U's for either side. Only that they had F4U-4's and FG-1D's opposing each other as well as P-51D's.
Below is the listing from ACIG.org (http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_166.shtml) where I found the 20mm reference. For all I have found there could have only been 1 20mm armed F4U flying for the FAS at that time.
Country Date Unit Aircraft Pilot Weapon Victim Country
El Salvadore 15Jul69 FG-1D E.Echevarria 12.7mm F-4U-5 Honduras*
El Salvadore 15Jul69 FG-1D R.G.Cortez 12.7mm F-4U-5 Honduras*
Honduras 15Jul69 T-28D R.Mendoza 12.7mm FG-1D FAS**
Honduras 15Jul69 F4U 20mm C-47 FAS**
El Salvadore 17Jul69 FG-1D P.H.Lobo 12.7mm F-4U-4 Honduras*
Honduras 17Jul69 F-4U-5 F.Soto 20mm F-51D FAS
Honduras 17Jul69 F-4U-5 F.Soto 20mm FG-1D FAS
Honduras 17Jul69 F-4U-5 F.Soto 20mm FG-1D FAS
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Originally posted by TheBug
Although I respect the efforts to find a new and exciting setup. I just wanted to add that my opinion is I very much prefer the quasi-historical WWII setups.(I say quasi only to acknowledge the planeset limitations) I only speak that opinion to provide feedback to the CT staffers, not to trash their ideas. I may fly a few times this week, I may not. The set-up won't keep me out of the CT but it surely will not draw me in.
Just picked up Forgotten Battle though, so I have a diversion for a week:)
Speaking of setup ideas, have you every tried going the other way and having less planes instead of trying to fit in more planes? Have set-ups that highlight the action between two reknown air units for example. The 56th FG versus JG26 for a rough example, allow only the fighter planes of each unit with maybe a couple support planes as background(for escort missions etc..), turn off base capture and then at the end of the week post an AAR on how each side faired??
Just an idea so that wingnut Arlo doesn't spill his fruit loops.
Looks like a good idea Bug. If you want some help in checking for aircraft matchups both ETO and PTO give me a shout and I will help out. I like a good matchup when I can get one and when I was doing scenarios for Fighter Ace we tried really hard to put in various things similar to where we would have specific squadrons facing off in a time frame where the action was documented to have taken place.
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Godzilla vs Mothra would only work if it was Mecha-Godzilla. Mothra can fly where Godzilla can't, so Mecha-Godzilla has the rockets to counter that, besides Godzillas breath weapon is undermodelled, and hes is 50mph slower...
Squire I think you are way off with this post. While Godzilla's atomic breath may be undermodelled, his ability to magnatize himself seems to be right. While Mecha-Godzilla has a potent arsenal of hand rockets and his own version of atomic breath, Godzillas ability to magnatize himself always leads to Mecha-Godzilla having his head torn off....... oh wait a minute, I read your post wrong. Mothra vs Mecha-Godzilla...... ah..... This seems to be a thin veiled attempt to leave Godzilla out of another set up to me. You guys whine him out of every set up or have him perked and available from only 1 base and thats bull****:mad: If you guys would just learn to avoid HO'ing his atomic breath you'd be alot happier in here. Learn some damn MCM for ****s sake! Its not fair to punish all because your a lamerhumperlemmingtardlet. If you guys would use Mothra right and come in with alt you might get some where. Besides you guys have a huge untapped resource in King Ghidra (Monster 0). I mean 3 heads shooting lighting and he's 400 MPH faster than Mecha-Godzilla at 15k. Who cant get kills with that? I know you guys whine about Rodan running him down on the deck but fly smart use his advantages. 3 heads dammit!!!:rolleyes:
I purpose this:
Allies- Godzilla ( 5 perks if you must)
Rodan
A-20
B-26
B-17
Mossie
F4U-C
M-16
M-8
A-4 Skyhawk ( sub for F-86 )
Axis- Mecha-Godzilla (2 perks)
Mothra
Batra ( evil Mothra)
Ghidra
FW-190D9
ME 262
A6M2 ( for Keyapaha)
Ki-67 ( 87 perks)
C-47 (sub for Ki-84)
P-40B (see how you like it)
Ju87
Ju88
N1KJ-2 ( sub for evil alien flying saucers, do we have a skin yet?)
Base capture off
Killshooter on
Fleet ack set at in****ingsaneinstantdeath
All perks should be reset prior to running ( except for mine)
:aok :aok
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Great thread! Enjoyed this spat immensely!
I think, though, that one thing has been overlooked. The MA will probably be Big Isles or AKD.
So, I'd guess you'll get a LOT of us MA tards in to look it over. If it offers FIGHTS instead of cruising around looking for fights, this is going to be a well-populated diversion.
Never underestimate the ability of Big Isles (and to a lesser extent, AKD) to drive people out of the MA looking for some action.
Anyway, really great thread. It's like reality TV; watching families fight at Thanksgiving.
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it's rehearsal for Fox's new show, "When Inbreds Attack!"
:D
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Shane can give you the inside scoop.:rofl
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Originally posted by Arlo
Shane can give you the inside scoop.:rofl
remind me to have the writers give you the script... you're the star after all.
:aok
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Originally posted by Shane
remind me to have the writers give you the script... you're the star after all.
:aok
Script? Oh ... I see ...
The part of Shane the transexual hubwife of Billy Bob will be played by Arlo. Just remember ... my contract is still under negotiation (me and my agent are merely having fun with your tard ass). ;)
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Originally posted by Arlo
Script? Oh ... I see ...
The part of Shane the transexual hubwife of Billy Bob will be played by Arlo. Just remember ... my contract is still under negotiation (me and my agent are merely having fun with your tard ass). ;)
your agent is my inbred cousiin, nonce removed. he's also an excellent forger.
i expect the signed contract any day now.
i do *not* want to kow how you're motivating for the role.
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[sLASH...
:rofl :lol :rofl :aok
SCUSE ME i HAVE TO GET BEER OUT OF MY SINUSES NOW
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Shane, its the "real" mini-MA !!!!!
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what he said ..T-O-D:aok