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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Niblitz on May 20, 2001, 05:14:00 PM
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That's right. Rather than worry about what plane is currently on the hit list( after the n1k, what's next? There will always be a next), do exactly what Counterstrike does with guns. Assign a reasonable price to each ride based on it's attributes, low enough so that after a good flight with a couple kills you can jump into a better a/c of your choice. If you get shot down several consecutive times without a kill, you get "mercy bucks" that enable you to upgrade to a better ride, just like the losing team in CS. It's up to you to do well in that plane if you want to keep it. This way, good pilots will get the rides they want, and bad pilots will not be able to continuously fly the best planes. A final, important piece of this solution: when you log,you start from scratch. Yep. You may have a great day, get tons of kills, fly anything you want, but the next day you log in, you start where everybody else does. And if you're so sh*t-hot, it shouldn't really be a problem for you, eh, buddy? After all, eventually the game will take pity on you (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Peace
ps. HTC, I double-dog dare ya!!
[This message has been edited by Niblitz (edited 05-20-2001).]
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Interesting... not sure if I like it, but interesting... I dunno, I do kinda like the idea, but at the same time, I kinda don't. Hmmm...
Interesting....
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"E's bound to be guilty, or 'e wouldn't be 'ere!
Starboard gun! FIRE!
Shootings to good for 'im, kick the louse out!
Port gun! FIRE!"
- Old chant used to time saluting of guns on ships
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Not a bad Idea. Here's another suggestion
How about everyone start each tour with just enough perk points to fly whatever they want. That way there's no more gripes about the $30 a month pricetag and not being able to fly like everyone else. You still have point management to keep in mind and the playing field is somewhat leveled between those who have limited time to be online and those who are on all the time. Sure, the first couple days lots of newbies will be cavorting around in big perkies but they'll lose them just as quickly. Not that the current system is bad, just a suggestion.
SwampRat
P.S. PERK THE IL-2!!! (couldn't resist (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/eek.gif) )
[This message has been edited by SwampRat (edited 05-20-2001).]
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Niblitz,
I wasn't aware that the N1K2 was on a "hit list", unless you count the F4U-1C fans who are merely trying to push the perk concept to a ridicules extreme in order to prove a point.
I have not seen any hue and cry for the perking of the N1K2.
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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Bring the Mosquito FB.MkVI Series 2 to Aces High!!!
Sisu
-Karnak
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I kinda figured my $30.00 a month was spending enough perk points for this game.
Perk the perk system! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
Mav
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AMEN Maverick (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Thought I was the only one.
Since my wishes for scrapping the Perk system is pretty much a loosing battle I hope at least the next "current" planes they perk, that they will perk two or three of them and not just one. Perking only one at a time might not cause so many grippes and moans and groans.
My opinion though... <S>
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Originally posted by Karnak:
Niblitz,
I wasn't aware that the N1K2 was on a "hit list", unless you count the F4U-1C fans who are merely trying to push the perk concept to a ridicules extreme in order to prove a point.
I have not seen any hue and cry for the perking of the N1K2.
LOL..Karnak meet grunherz, likewise grunherz meet karnak. Ya'll will get along quite fine I am sure. Oh..and here are a few members of of other squads that are also in the "fix the N1K club".
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Karnak and I are allready well acquainted. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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general comment on perk points
i have not spent any points yet
i just fly the planes i have always flown
44MAG
fighter pilots make movies
bomber pilots make history
(quote from "flight of the intruder")
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PERKing them all gets my vote!! Fighters that is!!
Also put all perks in same basket. That way one can earn perks in an Ostie to fly his perk fighter later.'
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I think we should just award perks for more than just kills. Like making missions, joining missions, or have them accumulate over time. This would allow even the suckie players, like me, to occasionally fly the cool rides.
Muttz
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Thanks for the interest, guys. While i like the idea that JABOing, pounding ground vehicles, bombing, etc. would earn you a better fighter, i think counting kills in GV's and fleet guns shouldn't apply to your fighter staus. Why? Because it's about FLYING ability. It's my understanding that the perk system is intended to address the obvious differences between early and late war(or rare) aircraft by limiting the availability of a few superior fighters, thus balancing gameplay. This it does too well, keeping the best planes frustratingly out of reach of the casual player. You may be a good stick, but if you can't play every day you will get shot down, and probably not have many perks to draw on. You want to reward pilot ability, not number of hours spent vulching in the MA. The Counterstrike method rewards your performance in the air that day. Also, if you are an elitist, you have to put your money where your mouth is every time you log. If you find you are constantly in a n1k or a chog, you can rest assured that you are there for a reason: that day, you're GOOD. And if you're frustrated because you're forced to fly a Jug when you usually fly a Dora, why not make yourself useful by Jaboing a mission for a change, and earn your 190. While you're at it, get your squaddies who are already in their preferred rides to escort you.
See? if you want the n00bs to play nice, you have to lead by example. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ:
Karnak and I are allready well acquainted. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Heehee, excuse me then (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Ya'll go right ahead!
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You got my vote, Nib.
ya mullet (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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How do you suppose that the newbies will be able to fly?
<Newbie>: "Hi, I'm new, how do I fly?"
<Friendly vet>: "You don't, you earn perk points first to earn your first ride."
<Newbie>: "Oh, I think I'll try out that WB game."
I see no reason to perk the N1K. Good newbie ride. What makes me sad are the vets that fly it. Like they need the prophang bonus. I'm not a vet, and I'd not fly it in a million years.
14-0 vs N1K tour 16
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2nd Lt. Hogni "Darling" Gylfason
332nd FG "Flying Mongrels"
143rd Pursuit Wing
(http://peterson.gm.is/img/darling_143.jpg)
[This message has been edited by darling (edited 05-21-2001).]
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Someone explain to me how, if the Niki is an overmodeled UFO, how it has a worse kill to death ratio than the Spit IX (it's only fractionally above 1:1) with about the same total number of arena kills?
And don't give me the "only newbies fly it" business because:
1) we know that's not true, and
2) The CHog had the same newbie-attracting qualities and it consistently had 1.3:1 or higher kill ratios and among the better K/D ratios of all unperked AC.
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If the number of subscribers gets to the point where we can have two arenas, this idea has good merit for that historical arena concept. It could be almost treated like rank in terms of who got the better planes.
The one major issue I have is if you log you lose your points. Not many people have the time to score enough perkies in one sitting to merit a ride in a high priced plane. You're adding time as a constraint on the system and that is in no way a relation of pilot skill.
IMO, the perk system should be used to keep unbalancing planes from being everywhere, and also to curb overuse of a plane, as was done with the CHog. As to what constitutes overuse, that's HTC's decision, and apparently near 20% of the total kills for a tour was overuse.
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Shhhh Torgo....you know you cant bring any actual facts and reason to a N1K2 thread. The Niki whiners will be after you shortly. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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The perk system will make more sense when we have more perk rides.
I dont like the idea of perking the entire planeset.
I am in favour of getting more perk planes in the mix, currently the 3 fighter perks we have are not priced logically and 2 of them are not that interesting.
We simply need more Bad bellybutton rides to chose from, we need something to spend our hard earned perkies on.
ME-262 comes to mind. F8F.
LaVa
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PERK EVERYTHING but leave free
-Hurricane (yes i hope one day we have it )
-C202
-P47 d11
-109 f4
-Ju88
-A6M5
-TBM
-Buffalo ( i hope we'll have it too)
-c47
-M3
-m16
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Nifty, the difference with my idea is that the best planes won't be as expensive as they are now, so that you can easily up one _if_ you get a kill or two first, _or_ you die a couple times consecutively without shooting anyone down. Then, as in CS, you get some "mercy" perks to get that ride you want. If you then screw up, like augering in without killing anyone, you lose it, and depending on how well you are doing that day, you might not have the perks to re-up in it right away.
Just like in a combat pilot's career, if you prove you can shoot a guy down in a lesser plane, you get a chance to fly an "Uberride". The end result is not to make the good planes unattainable, but to make them harder to hold onto if you don't 'deserve' to be in them.
If you've played CS, you know that within a couple rounds, you can get the best guns, regardless of how well you or your team is doing. However, if you then suck with that gun, getting no kills, and getting your bellybutton shot off, you are back to pistols. In that case, you have to use your head to get a kill. Hopefully, it would be the same in AH.
Also, since you lose the points at the end of the day, you can't hoard them, so they have less significance, and people can't obsess about them, like they do now. I can't overstress the importance of this. Points are made to use. If you want to hoard things, go play Monopoly.
darling: to clarify,when a person logs on he will of course be able to fly a plane right away. As in CS, you start with enough perks to afford any of the early war rides, and if you die you always get a "loser bonus" that allows you to re-up any of these planes. At no time, no matter how green, would you not have a ride.
Cheers
[This message has been edited by Niblitz (edited 05-21-2001).]
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Counter-Strike is a free add on for Half life, or a 6$ bargain bin purchase.
AH is 30$/month, your idea won't fly with a lot of these guys here.
-SW
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ahh, I missed the "reasonably priced" part. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Originally posted by Niblitz:
Just like in a combat pilot's career, if you prove you can shoot a guy down in a lesser plane, you get a chance to fly an "Uberride". The end result is not to make the good planes unattainable, but to make them harder to hold onto if you don't 'deserve' to be in them.
Eh??? How's this??? I thought that if you demonstrated you could shoot down an enemy in a "lesser plane" you didn't NEED an "uber plane to make it easier for you.
I also thought that a RL combat pilots ride was determined
A. By his country of allegiance.
B. By his military orders (assignment)
c. By his politicians / military procurers and aviation companies abilities.
I didn't notice that RL pilots were given options as to what plane they flew because they were able to shoot down an enemy. Which history book or military archive was that one in?
If you've played CS, you know that within a couple rounds, you can get the best guns, regardless of how well you or your team is doing. However, if you then suck with that gun, getting no kills, and getting your bellybutton shot off, you are back to pistols. In that case, you have to use your head to get a kill. Hopefully, it would be the same in AH.
Also, since you lose the points at the end of the day, you can't hoard them, so they have less significance, and people can't obsess about them, like they do now. I can't overstress the importance of this. Points are made to use. If you want to hoard things, go play Monopoly.
If points are a non integrated part of the game, no one needs to worry about them at all. Who cares about them then. Just get up, get kills and be happy (to paraphrase a fellow pilot) Hopefully you will be using your head to get a kill no matter what you fly.
darling: to clarify,when a person logs on he will of course be able to fly a plane right away. As in CS, you start with enough perks to afford any of the early war rides, and if you die you always get a "loser bonus" that allows you to re-up any of these planes. At no time, no matter how green, would you not have a ride.
Cheers
[This message has been edited by Niblitz (edited 05-21-2001).]
ANY point system that rewards performance only goes to insure those who need the "perk rides" the least get them the most. Even a "pity perk ride" based on a death will do that. The player knows they just have to die to get it then start flying smart to keep it.
I still say there is no need for a perk system. The perk system is an artificial attempt to "balance" the arena. If artificiality is OK then just make only a limited amount / type of plane available in the arena and keep the "playing field level" for everyone. In other words, a rotating plane set. No uber rides largely limited to those who can "earn" them by showing they don't need them. No artificial point system that promotes gaming the game. Just get up and fly what ya want by virtue of your paid account each month. All players have access to the same planes and can fly what they want, how they want and do what they want based on a plane set already organized for "balance".
Mav
[This message has been edited by Maverick (edited 05-21-2001).]
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Perk the Sheeps
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<S>Maverick. You mean you want to pay $30 a month _and_ fly planes too?!? LOL (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I entirely agree with you Mav. The perk system sux, and we should be able to fly what we want. On the other hand,if a guy is good enough to get a kill while flying a "lesser" plane, you gotta respect his abilities. Maybe he should get more ranking points for doing that, kind of like a handicapping system. If you shoot down a n1k in a p47, you should get more credit than for doing it the other way around. Maybe that would make the rank-conscious among us happy. Who knows.
I'm just trying to make the inevitably-perked planes more accessible to everyone. I agree with your assessment.I'm afraid that people who have specialized in a particular a/c are not going to be happy with either of our ideas, though.
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SeaWulfe: That may be, but how many guys here like to pay $30/month NOT to fly planes?
Also your dissing of Gooseman's amazing work on CS (as well as many others) based on PRICE is ridiculous.
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Originally posted by Niblitz:
Also your dissing of Gooseman's amazing work on CS (as well as many others) based on PRICE is ridiculous.
What the hell are you talking about?
Buy yourself a clue and get back to me.
-SW
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Originally posted by SeaWulfe:
Counter-Strike is a free add on for Half life, or a 6$ bargain bin purchase.
AH is 30$/month, your idea won't fly with a lot of these guys here.
-SW
Sorry SW, try as I might, I can't grasp the subtlties of this argument. I'm just a dumb Mullet (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Sounds like you're equating the value of an idea with how much it costs. CS is free = bad idea???? $30/month AH boys would scoff at good idea from free game???
yours,
Clueless.
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No, I'm saying for a 6$ on time fee (or whatever you happened to pay for Half-Life) for the game (CS) you know WHAT you are buying and you know WHAT you are going to get out of it. You are only paying for the software.
Here in AH, you are paying 30$/month. Now if it were closer to 9.95$/mo then people might be more recieving to your idea. But at 30$/month people believe they should be entitled to fly anything they want.
Obviously the perk system we do have in place doesn't let everyone fly everything... but it allows you to after a little work. Basically, your idea limits the variety of what you can fly even further.
That's all I'm saying. CS is good for it's genre... but it ain't no flight sim. :-)
-SW